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    Sorry absolutely right, sorry RIP.

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    No worries.

    It’s the only possible use I can see for her, she’s useless in the ring, can’t carry a promo and has the charisma of Corbins jockstrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    How did the Bellas blackball Maria? Not heard this.
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...he-bella-twins

    I don't know if it was something that truly happened, you know how these things go in the world of pro wrestling.

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    It's not the first time someone's had bad things to say about the Bellas. Maryse had issues with them for a long time. Around 2011 her, the Bellas, and someone else did a solidarity thing when they were renegotiating their contracts. WWE would take all of them, or none of them. Suddenly, the Bellas went behind Maryse and the other girl's back and signed a new contract without saying anything. And Brie was her roommate at the time. The Bellas downplayed it, but Maryse still held a grudge.

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    Understandably so. I do remember Maryse cutting a worked shoot promo on Nikki in 2016/17 where she said that Nikki had cost her a tv role...wonder if that is true also.

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    Sure, we can blame Brie and Nikki Bella for an awful lot, but they can't be responsible for the dreadful Maria/Mike Kanellis storyline, can they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Sure, we can blame Brie and Nikki Bella for an awful lot, but they can't be responsible for the dreadful Maria/Mike Kanellis storyline, can they?
    Fuck no. I blame Maria and the WWE. Maria for always talking mad shit about the company when she left which in turn had the WWE give them a gimmick that buried her husband on the spot.

    It had potential though. But when you have dude come out with his wife's name, that's a little too beta male for me, and everyone else. But I liked the concept of him being extremely pussy whipped.

    IDK if Mike ever had potential beyond the lower midcard. I wasn't a fan of his, I love Maria though. Maria with another talent that they wanted to invest in would have been great, could still be great if she sticks around but I doubt she will if Mike leaves.

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    All of you absolutely hating on Maria Kanellis.

    The heel, Maria Kanellis.

    Too subtle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    All of you absolutely hating on Maria Kanellis.

    The heel, Maria Kanellis.

    Too subtle?
    So are they hating on her because she's a good heel, or are they hating on her because she's a shit performer?

    I'm a huge fan of her work, BUT I totally 110% understand why someone wouldn't be a fan of not just her work, but her in general. When you listen to her shoots, she sounds kind of ignorant to how the business works and her social media can be a pain to read.

    So giving these dudes the benefit of the doubt I'm going to say it's not that Maria is doing her job as a heel, it's that she's doing a shit job as a heel, as a talent. I think we can dislike the performance and not have people go "Oh well she's a heel you're supposed to dislike her" Mehhhhh not in this context. People boo Sami Zayn because he's doing a good job as a heel, they change the channel when Mike and Maria come on. Assholes.

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    I thought she was solid on the mic. I rather liked her and Mike's initial gimmick of just being disgustingly in love and didn't mind the more recent stuff although it seemed a bit directionless. Can't really say much about Mike's in-ring work since I only saw a couple of matches where he had time to do anything earlier on (which i was not impressed by) and more recently he was just getting squashed (outside of 205 Live where it sounded like he was actually having more standard back and forth contests). So overall, as a pairing I thought they had potential and I thought she was a good manager. Can't say I'll miss them when they're gone, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I thought she was solid on the mic. I rather liked her and Mike's initial gimmick of just being disgustingly in love and didn't mind the more recent stuff although it seemed a bit directionless. Can't really say much about Mike's in-ring work since I only saw a couple of matches where he had time to do anything earlier on (which i was not impressed by) and more recently he was just getting squashed (outside of 205 Live where it sounded like he was actually having more standard back and forth contests). So overall, as a pairing I thought they had potential and I thought she was a good manager. Can't say I'll miss them when they're gone, though.
    Yeah man like I said the gimmick had potential. Sharing the same last name was a little too much for me and like I said I think it killed Mike IMMEDIATELY. It was a gimmick that if the WWE weren't committed to seeing through, it was going to fail. And the only way to go would have been to split them up 4-5 months down the road. Mike getting sick and tired of her shit, and turning babyface.

    Correct me if I'm wrong shortly after they debut she gets pregnant and has to dip out, right? Basically what we saw at the start, and what we saw recently, is what should have gone down the first 4-5 months and then boom, Mike's a babyface. Maybe him and Maria reconnect shortly after, but he couldn't rise above Mojo status as Mike KANNELLIS, super cuck of WWE lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Fuck no. I blame Maria and the WWE. Maria for always talking mad shit about the company when she left which in turn had the WWE give them a gimmick that buried her husband on the spot.

    It had potential though. But when you have dude come out with his wife's name, that's a little too beta male for me, and everyone else. But I liked the concept of him being extremely pussy whipped.

    IDK if Mike ever had potential beyond the lower midcard. I wasn't a fan of his, I love Maria though. Maria with another talent that they wanted to invest in would have been great, could still be great if she sticks around but I doubt she will if Mike leaves.
    Just to add some more to this...

    It may be beta male but I don't think he gets this job without his wife. That's not off anyone's reporting or anything, just a hunch on my part. I'm sure he was doing things in Impact but nothing lighting the world on fire. Looking at the combo, I find it hard to believe that a majority would say the upside was more in the husband over the wife. In addition, this had a way to work in the sense they could work because the Miz/Maryse pairing was more of a thing at the time of their arrival. That husband/wife combo had momentum so you could use this new one with a tweak of sorts. They could be on different brands, doing different stories, you could have them on the same one and there's an easy feud right there.

    I still feel like I don't have a ton of sympathy for him in this situation.

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    I found her quite entertaining as a bimbo. Favourite Maria moment has to be during the Eric Bischoff trial where she was acting like her typical stupid bimbo self then all of a sudden became intelligent testifying against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Just to add some more to this...

    It may be beta male but I don't think he gets this job without his wife. That's not off anyone's reporting or anything, just a hunch on my part. I'm sure he was doing things in Impact but nothing lighting the world on fire. Looking at the combo, I find it hard to believe that a majority would say the upside was more in the husband over the wife. In addition, this had a way to work in the sense they could work because the Miz/Maryse pairing was more of a thing at the time of their arrival. That husband/wife combo had momentum so you could use this new one with a tweak of sorts. They could be on different brands, doing different stories, you could have them on the same one and there's an easy feud right there.

    I still feel like I don't have a ton of sympathy for him in this situation.
    Just from my POV, and watching a lot of ROH at the time, she definitely was the selling point of the duo. She showed in ROH that she was definitely someone who had potential to be more than a hot as fuck airhead comedy type character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Just to add some more to this...

    It may be beta male but I don't think he gets this job without his wife. That's not off anyone's reporting or anything, just a hunch on my part. I'm sure he was doing things in Impact but nothing lighting the world on fire. Looking at the combo, I find it hard to believe that a majority would say the upside was more in the husband over the wife. In addition, this had a way to work in the sense they could work because the Miz/Maryse pairing was more of a thing at the time of their arrival. That husband/wife combo had momentum so you could use this new one with a tweak of sorts. They could be on different brands, doing different stories, you could have them on the same one and there's an easy feud right there.

    I still feel like I don't have a ton of sympathy for him in this situation.
    It’s sorta similar as to how Vince only took Marc Mero on because he came with Sable but on a smaller scale.

    And no I don’t have much sympathy for him either. There are a ton of guys in the wings more talented not on TV but he was still getting TV time even if the angle wasn’t great. Also he had the chance to get out a few months ago but signed a 5 year contract.

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    Sin Cara has left the building. What a bizarre story, this character had in WWE.

    statement

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    Lol, Tye and Mike I had sympathies for but this cunt can fuck off. Lucky still to have a job anyway. Didn't he wallop Y2J on a tour bus or something?

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    I hope they just give another cruiserweight the Sin Cara role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It’s sorta similar as to how Vince only took Marc Mero on because he came with Sable but on a smaller scale.

    And no I don’t have much sympathy for him either. There are a ton of guys in the wings more talented not on TV but he was still getting TV time even if the angle wasn’t great. Also he had the chance to get out a few months ago but signed a 5 year contract.
    Vince loved Mero before he even saw Sable. He was a big fan of Johnny B Badd for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Lol, Tye and Mike I had sympathies for but this cunt can fuck off. Lucky still to have a job anyway. Didn't he wallop Y2J on a tour bus or something?
    Well if you remember, that "story" leaked out that SUPPOSEDLY Y2J and Sin Cara got into it...but then the next night on Raw Jericho showed up in the crowd to attack someone while he was wearing a Sin Cara mask and they both commented that it was a bullshit story.

    Now, he did blast Simon Gotch backstage with an unopened can of soda and nobody was exactly negative toward SC about that incident.

    So idk, maybe revisit how much sympathy you may or may not have with this new found info.

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    Always thought they could have done more with this Sin Cara since he didn't have nearly the issues as the first but at the same time I'm not sure there's too much you can do with a guy whose gimmick is he has no face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Always thought they could have done more with this Sin Cara since he didn't have nearly the issues as the first but at the same time I'm not sure there's too much you can do with a guy whose gimmick is he has no face.
    Yeah it's a difficult position for him to be in because he was a good wrestler but I don't think the WWE are super high on masked wrestlers. Rey is one of a kind, and they wanted Mistico Sin Cara to be that next Rey but like with Rey, dude was hurt all the time. This SC, I think it was the same thing where maybe they wanted to do some stuff with him because people were digging the look, younger crowd probably digging the action figures due to variety.....but he was just someone they kept around "Just in case" they stumbled on to something special.

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    Dude's 42, can't see him having much of an impact anywhere he goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Dude's 42, can't see him having much of an impact anywhere he goes.
    He could probably go back to Mexico and have a decent run somewhere down there but who knows what ideas he might have or other companies might have. He wasn't horrible without the mask as Hunico.

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    https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status...33835583406081

    Jordan Myles quits...sorry I mean ACH, Can't be calling him by his 'slave name'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    https://twitter.com/GoGoMyles/status...33835583406081

    Jordan Myles quits...sorry I mean ACH, Can't be calling him by his 'slave name'
    Is that what he said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Is that what he said?
    "Screw Jordan Myles. Don't ever call me by that slave name."

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    Honestly never saw any significance in the T-shirt design at first glance til it was pointed out. Just seemed like a crappy design.

    The fact Jordan kept changing his story about what happened and now he quits. Couple of beers short of a six-pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    "Screw Jordan Myles. Don't ever call me by that slave name."
    LOL. I think he's been listening to a little too much Lord Jamar on VladTV

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    Well, at least he won the Breakout tournament...

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    And now he has broke out...from his shackles

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    Funny how sometimes tournaments or just contests in general end up working out better for the guys who don’t win than those who do.

    In this case Angel Garza.

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    ACH, you stupid bastard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    And now he has broke out...from his shackles
    Are you really trying to get over with slave jokes?

    I'll say this....Whatever is motivating ACH, I hope it's coming from a place of reality and not paranoia. If this is all about the shirt, and I 100% understand where dude is coming from, but the way he's going about it is questionable. Just ranting and raving and for what purpose? To cancel WWE? Good luck homeboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagel View Post
    I hope they just give another cruiserweight the Sin Cara role.
    Surely that would be more of a hindrance than a help? I mean, 'Sin Cara', barring maybe a couple of matches right at the beginning, has barely been featured at all over the years. Hardly a gimmick worth saving, in my opinion. Tiger Mask it ain't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Are you really trying to get over with slave jokes?

    I'll say this....Whatever is motivating ACH, I hope it's coming from a place of reality and not paranoia. If this is all about the shirt, and I 100% understand where dude is coming from, but the way he's going about it is questionable. Just ranting and raving and for what purpose? To cancel WWE? Good luck homeboy.
    He's a pretty well known head case and has a tendency/habit of using his race card. He'll make any excuse he can when he doesn't make a show and a lot of the time the locker rooms will do everything they can to just shut his mouth and calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Surely that would be more of a hindrance than a help? I mean, 'Sin Cara', barring maybe a couple of matches right at the beginning, has barely been featured at all over the years. Hardly a gimmick worth saving, in my opinion. Tiger Mask it ain't.
    Yeah I’ve never been in love with the gimmick myself. I know they tried to market it in the past but his mic time was limited by the gimmick.

    Hunico was a better WWE worker than Mistico where it was botchfest 101 with him. Plus I preferred him being plain old Hunico as well. Shame they couldn’t go back to that, loved his theme and him riding down on the bike.

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    The original Sin Cara (Mistico) was dope until he had a serious knee injury that kept him out and he was never the same again. I mean, this guy basically brought Mexican wrestling back from the dead and was almost ranked #1 in the PWI 500 (came in at #3) but due to the knee injury he missed a lot of time. *All pre-WWE*

    I was very very excited to see what he could bring to the WWE and we saw some really breathtaking stuff BUT he was definitely injury prone. The worst though was the time he did a suicide dive and jammed his finger, prompting him to tell the ref he was no longer able to continue. I believe this was Raw.

    Looking back it's almost like the WWE signed him in hopes that he would be the next Rey Misterio and be the bridge to get more Latino viewers...but I also feel it was done as a way to somewhat hurt the Mexican market by taking their top technico. For as big of a deal as they made of the signing it's too bad nothing was truly able to come from the hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post

    I was very very excited to see what he could bring to the WWE and we saw some really breathtaking stuff BUT he was definitely injury prone.
    I actually just watched his debut, and apart from not clearing the ropes during his jump into the ring, it was pretty awesome stuff.

    Then the next time I think he botched a move with Tyson Kidd and some after that and I think they probably gave up on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The original Sin Cara (Mistico) was dope until he had a serious knee injury that kept him out and he was never the same again. I mean, this guy basically brought Mexican wrestling back from the dead and was almost ranked #1 in the PWI 500 (came in at #3) but due to the knee injury he missed a lot of time. *All pre-WWE*

    I was very very excited to see what he could bring to the WWE and we saw some really breathtaking stuff BUT he was definitely injury prone. The worst though was the time he did a suicide dive and jammed his finger, prompting him to tell the ref he was no longer able to continue. I believe this was Raw.

    Looking back it's almost like the WWE signed him in hopes that he would be the next Rey Misterio and be the bridge to get more Latino viewers...but I also feel it was done as a way to somewhat hurt the Mexican market by taking their top technico. For as big of a deal as they made of the signing it's too bad nothing was truly able to come from the hype.
    Agreed. You could say pretty much the same thing about Ultimo Dragon. Real shame about his infamous botch plus I’m not sure Vince really “got” him once he saw him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Agreed. You could say pretty much the same thing about Ultimo Dragon. Real shame about his infamous botch plus I’m not sure Vince really “got” him once he saw him.
    Yeah Dragon had that botched elbow surgery in WCW and was never really the same. I'm sure there are a lot of wrestlers, and it's well-documented, where Vince basically takes the word of others on whether they should be signed. Then they're signed, Vince finally meets them, and if you don't pass the eye test for Vince then it's over. Taz stands out like a sore thumb of a guy who Vince basically shit on because he was so short. Apparently forgetting the handful of times Taz was on WWE programming while working for ECW lol.

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    Could you imagine Taz as Shorty T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah Dragon had that botched elbow surgery in WCW and was never really the same. I'm sure there are a lot of wrestlers, and it's well-documented, where Vince basically takes the word of others on whether they should be signed. Then they're signed, Vince finally meets them, and if you don't pass the eye test for Vince then it's over. Taz stands out like a sore thumb of a guy who Vince basically shit on because he was so short. Apparently forgetting the handful of times Taz was on WWE programming while working for ECW lol.
    One thing that stands out about that was having him beat Angle’s streak on his debut but then have Angle call foul to say the choke was illegal.

    Also when Austin was calling him out about not falling in line with the Alliance by wearing his own shirt but not an Austin shirt on his appreciation night. That match could have been fucking HUGE if they booked Taz as a legit threat, but instead he was brushed aside and it was the birth of the “What?” chant that is still fucking annoying to this very day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Could you imagine Taz as Shorty T?
    Or Wee T.

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    Or Mr. T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Or Mr. T?
    Nah too on the nose.

    Tazzy T then he feuds with Booker over the rights to the T.

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    Now he thinks he's Cody, Making a wishlist

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    So how does this work? You're a disgruntled employee, you want to quit, but the contract says you can't, unless both sides agree? So what if Sin Cara just doesn't show up anymore, would they sue him? Or just pay him for sitting at home? Also, do contracts have select number of dates that they work?

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    the contract says WWE has to agree to a release. If Sin Cara doesn't show up, they just don't pay him, but they also have the right to extend his contract for time he doesn't appear. They would sue him only if he appears/performs for another company.

    They have been paying him to sit at home, or perform at a limited number of house shows.

    Different contracts do have select number of dates they work - and/or sometimes a bonus for working more than X dates. Brock's contract reportedly had these provisions, such that it cost WWE a LOT to have him show up if he appeared more than a certain number of dates.

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    Wish I had a contract like that, I'd sit at home and get paid. What a lovely thought.

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    oney lorcan also requested his release

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    oney lorcan also requested his release
    Props to him for making it this long. I didn't see much of an upside for his team with Danny Burch. They were cool for the smaller show, but there wasn't much to them other than they were bald and wore jackets lol.

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    Damn, love me some Oney. He'll kill it anywhere he goes.

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    Twoy Lorcan't will now show up in AEW.

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