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    Rugby Thread

    Since the Six Nations Tournament is starting soon, this should as good a time as any to make a thread dedicated to Rugby Union.

    This year's tournament is looking interesting. Usually, it was a two-horse race (England and France), but now it looks like Ireland and Wales are solidly in the running as well, with some very strong performances recently - Ireland beating Tri-Nations champions South Africa, albeit in a controversial manner and Wales taking both the Springboks and the All Blacks to the limit, before going down with the narrowest of margins.

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    It hasnt fully been a two-horse race for the last few years. Ireland have come second three times in the last four years, one of those years a loss to Scotland cost us and the other we last to England in a Grand Slam decider at Lansdowne Road. A lot of people have Ireland as favourites this year, but I have a feeling France will win it again with Ireland second and England third. Scotland will probably get the wooden spoon again.

    Anyway the first round of fixtures and who I think will win.
    France v Scotland - France
    Wales v England - England
    Italy v Ireland - Ireland

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    Won't be watching any of that Union rubbish.

    Leeds against the convicts in the World Club Challenge last night was a proper ding-dong battle. Super game.

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    France to win by 10-15 points
    England to win by 5-10 points
    Ireland to win by 10-15 points

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    Bloody hell.

    I can kick better than the way France are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot
    It hasnt fully been a two-horse race for the last few years. Ireland have come second three times in the last four years, one of those years a loss to Scotland cost us and the other we last to England in a Grand Slam decider at Lansdowne Road. A lot of people have Ireland as favourites this year, but I have a feeling France will win it again with Ireland second and England third. Scotland will probably get the wooden spoon again.

    Anyway the first round of fixtures and who I think will win.
    France v Scotland - France
    Wales v England - England
    Italy v Ireland - Ireland
    I wrote the words "usually". That's different from "always". The 2004~2005 English team is a fucking disgrace, to be honest. Personally, I wanted to punch the English journalists who were talking up the team before the England VS Australia match late last year, on the basis of a demolishion job on the Springboks - when beating South Africa at the end of the year is like taking candy from a baby. It's barely a challenge.

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    Eat your words boys Wales are going to win it.

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    I think it'll be Ireland, if they ride their momentum, or France, if they can get over their injury woes and painful losses to both the All Blacks and Los Pumas.

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    So far:
    Wales 11 - 9 England @ Millinnium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales
    For Wales:
    1 try by Shane Williams
    1 penalty goal by Stephen Jones, 1 penalty goal by Gavin Henson
    For England:
    3 penalty goals by Charlie Hodgson

    France 16 - 9 Scotland @ Stade de France, Paris, France
    For France:
    1 try by Damien Traille
    1 conversion by Frederic Michalak
    2 penalty goals and 1 dropped goal by Yann Delaigue
    For Scotland:
    3 penalty goals by Chris Paterson

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    Italy 17 - 28 Ireland @ Stadio Flamenio, Rome, Italy
    For Italy:
    1 try by Martin Castrogiovanni
    1 penalty goal by Luciano Orquera, 2 penalty goals by Roland de Marigny
    For Ireland:
    Tries by Geordan Murphy, Peter Stringer and Denis Hickie
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Ronan O'Gara

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...al/4241417.stm

    Look at this shit. They should just ban Danny Grewcock for a year or so. Grewcock is an undisciplined fuckhead, and the quicker England gets rid of assholes like him, the better. Both for the team, because the likelyhood of them spending significant portions of the match with 14 men on the field diminishes, and for everyone else, who I assume would prefer not to have Grewcock continuously "accidentally" stepping all over them. Good on Gareth Thomas for letting him know he's not putting up with that shit.

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    Yea I think he would have been off for the whole game if Thomas hadnít of punched him.

    We got Italy on Saturday. Iím hoping that the way they played against Ireland was a fluke or Ireland arenít as strong as the look.

    I got a good feeling that weíve got a chance this year. Against England we didnít play our best probably about 60%-70% overall. Also if Henson takes over the kicking and is as good at the hype that surrounds him is that should add a lot more points on the board as our kicking as be awful. Ireland at the Millennium Stadium should be a good one.

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    Ireland are looking good. I didn't see the game due to being at work, but we were comfortable today, despite being without O'Driscoll and D'Arcy. Bring on England.

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    Scotland 13 - 40 Ireland @ Murrayfield, Edinburgh, Scotland
    For Scotland:
    Tries by Hugo Southwell and Jon Petrie
    1 penalty goal by Chris Paterson
    For Ireland:
    Tries by Malcolm O'Kelly, Paul O'Connell, Denis Hickie, John Hayes and Gavin Duffy
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Ronan O'Gara, 1 conversion by David Humphreys

    Italy 8 - 38 Wales @ Stadio Flamenio, Rome, Italy
    For Italy:
    1 try by Luciano Orquera
    1 penalty goal by Roland de Marigny
    For Wales:
    Tries by Jonathan Thomas, Tom Shanklin, Martyn Williams, Brent Cockbain, Shane Williams and Robert Sidoli
    4 conversions by Stephen Jones

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    England 17 - 18 France @ Twickenham, London, England
    For England:
    Tries by Olly Barkley and Josh Lewsey
    2 conversions and 1 penalty goal by Charlie Hodgson
    For France:
    6 penalty goals by Dimitri Yachvalli

    Wow. England are in serious trouble, and not just in the 6 Nations tournament. Since the World Cup final in 2003, they have had 13 test matches. Out of that 13, they have been beaten 8 times - by New Zealand (twice), Australia (twice), France (twice), Ireland and Wales.

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    It's gonna be interesting who wins between France, Ireland and Wales. While France have the best team on paper (but grinding out results), Wales are hot on form and Ireland have been impressive as well. It's great that there's more than one team going for it and the way fixtures have worked out all are still in it for the Grand Slam.

    England 4 the wooden spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyoza
    England 17 - 18 France @ Twickenham, London, England
    For England:
    Tries by Olly Barkley and Josh Lewsey
    2 conversions and 1 penalty goal by Charlie Hodgson
    For France:
    6 penalty goals by Dimitri Yachvalli

    Wow. England are in serious trouble, and not just in the 6 Nations tournament. Since the World Cup final in 2003, they have had 13 test matches. Out of that 13, they have been beaten 8 times - by New Zealand (twice), Australia (twice), France (twice), Ireland and Wales.
    See this is why I don't like Union. If a team scores 2 tries to none, they clearly deserve the victory.

    Granted, I didn't watch the game, and England might have been terrible, they were obviously better than France if they could get over the line twice.


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    France never had the pace to trouble England.

    Berkley and Hodgson missed 18 points of penalties between them. All of which Jonny would have put away most probably.

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    England need to stop giving away stupid penalties as well I don't know why they do that if the opposition have a good kicker like the French had today. Hodgson was awfull with his kicking game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo
    It's gonna be interesting who wins between France, Ireland and Wales. While France have the best team on paper (but grinding out results), Wales are hot on form and Ireland have been impressive as well. It's great that there's more than one team going for it and the way fixtures have worked out all are still in it for the Grand Slam.

    England 4 the wooden spoon.
    France have the best team on paper, but a defeat to Argentina and a right old thrashing by the All Blacks have destroyed their confidence. The defeat to the All Blacks was also a huge blow to their psyche. The French front row of Sylvain Marconnet, William Servat and Pieter de Villiers are arguably the toughest and best scrummaging front row in the world. However, when they went up against the All Blacks front row of Tony Woodcock, Anton Oliver and Carl Hayman, they were not only handily defeated, they were also forced into a situation where they had to ask for uncontested scrums. I can not stress how much of a humiliation that is to a team like France.

    Injuries to their team aren't helping either, with Olivier Magne, Jean-Baptiste Elissalde and Nicolas Brusque all out with injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by rali G
    See this is why I don't like Union. If a team scores 2 tries to none, they clearly deserve the victory.

    Granted, I didn't watch the game, and England might have been terrible, they were obviously better than France if they could get over the line twice.
    Not necessarily the case all the time. In 2003, when England played New Zealand, England managed to outplay the All Blacks several times during the game, and won without scoring a single try.


    PS. It is really wierd seeing England lose games due to lousy kicking.

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    I was at the game today, and let me tell you, Charlie fucking Hodgson can fuck off as can Paddy O'Brien. Josh Lewsey was good but most of the team were bad to average. You are right Gyoza as to how bad we have been recently, but you have to take in to account our injury list.

    Last week the injury list looked like this (A Couple are back and a few on this list aren't in the squad for one reason or another.)

    Cohen
    Corry
    Tindall
    Wilkinson
    Chris Jones
    Richard Hill
    Stuart Abbot
    Will Greenwood
    Ollie Smith

    There's even more as well.

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    England had the biggest chance to beat a French side completely lacking on confidence. Instead, they just handed the game over to the French, and giving away enough penalties for them to run away by 1 point. The French just simply played better than the English in the second half, who it appears just went to sleep.
    At least Hodgson is man enough to admit he cost England the game.

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    Some people have been saying that Wales have a good shout in winning the 6 Nations. Personally I can't see it, as I hold the belief that they are the under-achievers of the Six Nations daily - they have the talent there, but sometimes they don't know what to do with themselves when they get in a good position. The days of Neil Jenkins helping us out with his amazing kicks are long gone, and we need to have more disipline among the team so that we can have more of an influence in the championship.

    And NERF, how does it feel being in a Welsh uni when Wales win against England in anything?

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    We skinned Italy on Saturday. Where just not playing at our full potential yet . We played some good rugby this week but Italy have defiantly improved from a few years ago. Our forwards didnít look as good this week though which could be a problem but our backs are on fire.

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    Well, we can't blame poor refereeing on this game. It was going so well for Scotland for the first 15 minutes when we went ahead 8-0. It was downhill from there, well done Ireland.

    Still reckon we can beat England though.

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    Finally France know what it's like to be on the other side of a total surrender. Honestly, Italy will be looking at how England have played and they'll be looking forward to it. Hell, Italy might even be relishing France at the moment. It's a very open competiton, though I think Ireland and Wales have shown the most potential to win the tournament so far.


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    To be fair HHF, even though Italy aren't the amatuer team they were when they first entered the tournament, you can hardly call it a resounding victory when the score was 38-8.

    The real test will come around when they visit the Stade de France next. It is promising to hear that defensively, we are pretty good on that front, but as ever, on excellent component of a team doesn't always win you a match. If I read up how well Wales did in France - whether or not we win - then I would like to believe that we will have a good shout in the outcome of the Six Nations Cup.

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    It's much better to be playing France in Paris, though. If Wales can teh initiative early, the fans will turn on France just like they did against Scotland, and unlike the Scots, Wales have the tools to take advantage of that and do a lot of damage.


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    Here's the starting XV for the Northern Hemisphere VS Southern Hemisphere match:

    15. Chris Latham - Reds, Australia
    14. Rupeni Caucaunibuca - Agen, Fiji
    13. Jacque Fourie - Cats, South Africa
    12. Tana Umaga (Vice-Captain) - Hurricanes, New Zealand
    11. Sireli Bobo - Parma, Fiji
    10. Andrew Mehrtens - Crusaders, New Zealand
    9. George Gregan (Captain) - Brumbies, Australia
    8. Jerome Kaino - Blues, New Zealand
    7. Phil Waugh - Waratahs, Australia
    6. Schalk Burger - Stormers, South Africa
    5. Ifereimi Rawaqa - World, Fiji
    4. Victor Matfield - Bulls, South Africa
    3. Omar Hassan - Toulouse, Argentina
    2. John Smit (Vice-Captain) - Sharks, South Africa
    1. Carl Hoeft - Highlanders, New Zealand

    While it's a good starting line-up, a lot of the players are far from the best. For example, where are Carl Hayman, Richie McCaw, Bill Young, Dan Carter, Stirling Mortlock, Marius Joubert, Malili Muliaina, Lote Tuqiri, Joe Rokocoko, Chris Jack, Bakkies Botha, Joe van Niekerk, David Lyons and Matt Giteau?
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    I think they only picked a couple of players from each country. Not exactly the best team possible.

    One player from each Aussie Super 12 team.

    Saw Jonah at the cricket tonight - Is he still coming back, he really needs to lose some weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj the kid
    I think they only picked a couple of players from each country. Not exactly the best team possible.

    One player from each Aussie Super 12 team.

    Saw Jonah at the cricket tonight - Is he still coming back, he really needs to lose some weight.
    Jonah's been working at a comeback, and apparently he's aiming at the 2007 World Cup. The problem is, he'll probably aim for the left wing, which means he must get past Joe Rokocoko, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Hosea Gear and Caleb Ralph. He's stated he'll go for the Sevens circuit after the Martin Johnson testimonial match in June.
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    English squad named for the Ireland-England match this Sunday at Lansdowne Road

    1. Graham Rowntree (Leicester)
    2. Steve Thompson (Northampton)
    3. Matt Stevens (Sale Sharks)
    4. Danny Grewcock (Bath)
    5. Ben Kay (Leicester)
    6. Joe Worsley (Wasps)
    7. Lewis Moody (Leicester)
    8. Martin Corry (Leicester)
    9. Harry Ellis (Leicester)
    10. Charlie Hodgson (Sale Sharks)
    11. Josh Lewsey (Wasps)
    12. Olly Barkley (Bath)
    13. Jamie Noon (Newcastle)
    14. Mark Cueto (Sale Sharks)
    15. Jason Robinson - c (Sale Sharks)

    16. Andy Titterell (Sale Sharks)
    17. Duncan Bell (Bath)
    18. Steve Borthwick (Bath)
    19. Andy Hazell (Gloucester)
    20. Matt Dawson (Wasps)
    21. Andy Goode (Leicester)
    22. Ollie Smith (Leicester)

    Expect a lot of penalties by England to come courtesy of Grewcock.

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    The 2005 Super 12 Opening Match starting line-ups
    Blues VS Highlanders at Carisbrook Stadium, Dunedin

    Highlanders
    1. Carl Hoeft*
    2. Anton Oliver* (Captain)
    3. Carl Hayman*
    4. Filipo Levi*
    5. James Ryan
    6. Craig Newby*
    7. Josh Blackie
    8. Paul Miller
    9. Jimmy Cowan*
    10. Cameron McIntyre
    11. Matt Saunders
    12. Seilala Mapusua
    13. Anthony Tuitavake
    14. Neil Brew
    15. Ben Blair*

    16. Mahonri Schwalger*
    17. Clarke Dermody
    18. Hoani MacDonald
    19. Colin Bourke
    20. Danny Lee*
    21. Jason Shoemark
    22. Ryan Glover

    Blues
    1. Saimone Taumoepeau*
    2. Keven Mealamu*
    3. John Afoa
    4. Greg Rawlinson
    5. Ali Williams*
    6. Angus Macdonald
    7. Daniel Braid*
    8. Xavier Rush* (Captain)
    9. David Gibson
    10. Carlos Spencer*
    11. Joe Rokocoko*
    12. Sam Tuitupou*
    13. Luke McAlister
    14. Isakeli Nacewa*
    15. Malili Muliaina*

    16. Derren Witcombe
    17. Taufa'ao Filise*
    18. Justin Collins
    19. Nick Williams
    20. Steve Devine*
    21. Tasesa Lavea
    22. Rudi Wulf

    * indicates player with test match experience

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    Otago Highlanders 14 - 30 Auckland Blues @ Dunedin, New Zealand
    For Highlanders:
    Try by Danny Lee
    3 penalty goals by Ben Blair
    For Blues:
    Tries by David Gibson, Xavier Rush, Keven Mealamu
    3 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Luke McAlister

    NSW Waratahs 25 - 7 Waikato Chiefs @ Sydney, Australia
    For Waratahs:
    2 tries by Morgan Turinui, tries by Lote Tuqiri and Mat Rogers
    1 conversion by Mat Rogers, 1 penalty goal by Peter Hewat
    For Chiefs:
    Try by Sosene Anesi
    Conversion by David Hill

    Western Stormers 26 - 12 Natal Sharks @ Cape Town, South Africa
    For Stormers:
    2 tries by Breyton Paulse, 1 try by Jean de Villiers
    1 conversion and 3 penalty goals by Gaffie du Toit
    For Sharks:
    Tries by Ruan Pienaar and Butch James
    1 conversion by Butch James
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    What a game! Wales just beating France 24-18. After awful opeing 10 minutes I thought we where going to get stuffed. What a difference a half can make. We played some awesome rugby after the break and our defending of our line was superb. Bring on Scotland

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    Super 12 results:

    Queensland Reds 10 - 24 Wellington Hurricanes @ Brisbane, Australia
    For Reds:
    Tries by Elton Flatley and Nathan Sharpe
    For Hurricanes:
    Tries by Ma'a Nonu and Lome Fa'atau
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Jimmy Goppeth, 2 penalty goals by Piri Weepu

    ACT Brumbies 32 - 21 Canterbury Crusaders @ Canberra, Australia
    For Brumbies:
    2 tries by Scott Fava, tries by Radike Samo and Gene Fairbanks
    3 conversions and a penalty goal by Mark Gerrard, 1 penalty goal by Stirling Mortlock
    For Crusaders:
    Tries by Andrew Mehrtens, Casey Laulala and Justin Marshall
    2 penalty goals by Daniel Carter

    Transvaal Cats 23 - 17 Blue Bulls @ Johannesburg, South Africa
    Tries by Andrť Pretorius and Jorrie Muller
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Andrť Pretorius
    For Bulls:
    Tries by Jacques Cronje and Bryan Habana
    2 conversions and a penalty goal by Derick Hougaard


    Six Nations
    Scotland 18 - 10 Italy @ Edinbugh, Scotland
    For Scotland:
    6 penalty goals by Chris Paterson
    For Italy:
    Try by Andrea Masi
    1 conversion and 1 penalty goal by Roland de Marigny

    France 18 - 24 Wales @ Paris, France
    For France:
    Tries by Dimitri Yachvili and Aurelien Rougerie
    1 conversion and 1 penalty by Dimitri Yachvili, 1 dropped goal by Frederic Michalak
    For Wales:
    2 tries by Martyn Williams
    1 conversion, 3 penalty goals and a dropped goal by Stephen Jones
    Last edited by Gyoza; February 26th, 2005 at 4:14 PM.

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    Six Nations contd.
    Ireland 19 - 13 England @ Dublin, Ireland
    For Ireland:
    Try by Brian O'Driscoll
    Conversion, 2 penalty goals and 2 dropped goals by Ronan O'Gara
    For England
    Try by Martin Corry
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Charlie Hodgson

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    How do they decide the winner if two teams are equal on points?

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    Then you get two winners. It has happened before, back when it was the Five Nations (Italy joined the competition in 2000). However, the last time somethng like that happened was in 1988, when Wales and France were tied at first place.

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    So it's fairly likely that there could be three winners in this years six nations. Would be quite sucky. Personally I hope it comes down to a Grand Slam decider when Wales play Ireland.

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    It'll be Ireland.


    Judging from how the 6 Nations is going, I don't expect to see a lot of English or Scottish players in the Test XV against the All Blacks, or the side to play the New Zealand Maori team.

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    The six nations is so fustrating this year (from an English POV) and this is for many reasons. We could have won all our matches and should have beaten both France and Ireland, we've played poorly but havent been a push over for any of the teams we've played. Hopefully Ireland will win cos i couldn't face any of my Welsh mates if they lifted the trophy.

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    After taking into account injuries, starting line-ups for the N. Hemisphere VS S. Hemisphere charity match have been changed. So here they are.

    Northern Hemisphere
    1. John Yapp - Wales
    2. Andy Titterrell - England
    3. Chris Horsman - England
    4. Marco Bortolami - Italy
    5. Donncha O'Callaghan - Ireland
    6. Lawrence Dallaglio (C) - England
    7. Pat Sanderson - England
    8. Simon Taylor - Scotland
    9. Gareth Cooper - Wales
    10. David Humphreys - Ireland
    11. Ben Cohen - England
    12. Ceri Sweeney - Wales
    13. Ollie Smith - England
    14. Mirco Bergamasco - Italy
    15. Chris Paterson - Scotland

    16. Raphael Ibanez - France
    17. Cedric Soulette - Frence
    18. Oliver Brouzet - France
    19. Jonathan Thomas - Wales
    20. Mike Phillips - Wales
    21. Mark Taylor - Wales
    22. Matthew Tait - England


    Southern Hemisphere
    1. Carl Hoeft - New Zealand
    2. John Smit - South Africa
    3. Cobus Visagie - South Africa
    4. Opeta Palepoi - Samoa
    5. Victor Matfield - South Africa
    6. Schalk Burger - South Africa
    7. Phil Waugh - Australia
    8. Toutai Kefu - Australia
    9. George Gregan (C) - Australia
    10. Andrew Mehrtens - New Zealand
    11. Sireli Bobo - Fiji
    12. Tana Umaga - New Zealand
    13. Jacque Fourie - South Africa
    14. Brian Lima - Samoa
    15. Chris Latham - Australia

    16. Ephraim Taukafa - Tonga
    17. Eusebio Guinazu - Argentina
    18. Semo Sititi - Samoa
    19. Matt Mustchin - New Zealand
    20. Moses Rauluni - Fiji
    21. Thinius Delport - South Africa
    22. Shane Drahm - Australia
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    Northern Hemisphere 19 - 54 Southern Hemisphere @ London, England
    For N. Hemisphere:
    Tries by Andy Titterrell, Pat Sanderson, Mirco Bergamasco
    Conversions by David Humphreys and Ceri Sweeney
    For S. Hemisphere:
    2 tries Chris Latham and Semo Sititi, tries by Tana Umaga, Brian Lima, Schalk Burger and Jacque Fourie
    6 conversions by Andrew Mehrtens, conversion by Chris Latham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash!
    The six nations is so fustrating this year (from an English POV) and this is for many reasons. We could have won all our matches and should have beaten both France and Ireland, we've played poorly but havent been a push over for any of the teams we've played. Hopefully Ireland will win cos i couldn't face any of my Welsh mates if they lifted the trophy.
    I don't see how you "should have" beaten us. You had more of the pressure in the second half, but we defended well and deserved the victory. The game should have been killed by us well before the end, if anything.

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    Ireland 19 - 26 France @ Dublin, Ireland
    For Ireland:
    Try by Brian O'Driscoll
    Conversion and 4 penalty goals by Ronan O'Gara
    For France:
    2 tries by Christophe Dominici and 1 try by Benoit Baby
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Dimitri Yachvili
    Dropped goal by Yann Delaigue

    England 29 - 7 Italy @ London, England
    For England:
    3 tries by Mark Cueto, tries by Steve Thompson, Iain Balshaw and Andy Hazell
    2 conversions and a penalty goal by Charlie Hodgson, conversion by Andy Goode
    For Italy:
    Try by Alessandro Troncon
    Conversion by Gert Peens

    With the win over Ireland, French captain Fabien Pelous joins the 100 Club in style.

    The current people in the 100 Club

    Jason Leonard (England, 1990~2004) 114 Caps (plus five for the British Lions)
    Phillipe Sella (France, 1982~1995) 111 Caps
    George Gregan (Australia, 1994~Present) 106 Caps (and counting)
    David Campese (Australia, 1982~1996) 101 Caps
    Fabien Pelous (France, 1995~Present) 100 Caps (and counting)
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    Scotland 22 - 46 Wales @ Edinburgh, Scotland
    For Scotland:
    Tries by Andy Craig, Rory Lamont and Chris Paterson
    2 conversions and a penalty goal by Paterson
    For Wales:
    2 tries by Kevin Morgan and Rhys Williams, tries by Ryan Jones and Shane Williams
    5 conversions and 2 penalty goals by Stephen Jones

    Current 6 Nations Standings
    1. Wales - Played 4, won 4
    2. Ireland - Played 4, won 3, lost 1
    3. France - Played 4, won 3, lost 1
    4. England - Played 4, won 1, lost 3
    5. Scotland - Played 4, won 1, lost 3
    6. Italy - Played 4, lost 4

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    Poor Scotland. The first half yesterday we ran them ragged best we played in the whole tournament so far. The only drawback was in the second half we just seemed tired and lost a good 20 points.

    But I got a feeling that the boys are saving themselves for Ireland on Saturday. Iím really looking forward to the match. The two best teams so should be one hell of a game no matter what the result. Would have been better if it came down to a proper grand slam decider but I think we will just edge it.

    Being home and having 60,000 Wales supporters behind the team should help. And if we do win there will be a whole county singing the night away.

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    I think it says a lot about England's play this tournament when our points difference is +23 and we only beat Italy with a points difference of +32

    All three games we've lost combined have been by a total 9 points. We haven't rolled over.

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    Yea you should have beat France and Ireland to be fair but your kicking was shit. When Wilkinson returns I think youíll see a vast improvement in your results.

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    I don't think England should have or deserved to beat Ireland, but I said that before. We're a better team and we played better on the day, albeit defensively, and the refereeing decisions evened themselves out.

    France game on Saturday was a huge disappointment. It's all very well saying "the wrong France turned up" but if we're supposed to a Grand Slam winning side, it shouldn't matter what France turns up, we should enough to at least live with them and not be over-run so completely as we were in the first half.

    Second half rally was a bit more encouraging, but we definitely miss D'Arcy's burst of pace to break through teams. We've haven't swept anyone away through the tournament, even Italy and Scotland gave us tough games, and we're not playing remotely well enough to trouble Wales next Saturday.

    Wales to win the match, the Grand Slam and the Championship, deservedly.

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    England are currently going through what the All Blacks went through in the seasons of 1998 and 1999 - a mass retirement of experienced players. In our case, it was due to career ending injuries (Michael Jones, Sean Fitzpatrick, Olo Brown) or because they just felt they could not keep up with the pace of the game (Zinzan Brooke, Robin Brooke, Frank Bunce, Walter Little). Add to that, the untimely death of Aaron Hopa and a captain who was thrown into the deep end before he was ready (Taine Randell), and it's a recipe for disaster. When you look at the All Blacks side that was fielded in 1996 and 1997, they are completely different from what followed in the ensuing years.
    That being said, the whole "we should have won" argument is redundant. England lost, end of. They were beaten by Ireland, who deserved to win and were generally superior, they lost to a vastly improved Welsh team and they were beaten by a French side that had barely recovered from a 45-6 hiding by the All Blacks. Who cares if England beat Italy? Italy suck anyway.

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    I never said we should have won. I said we weren't beaten soundly, at all, in any of the games. They (with the exception of Ireland, who easily deserved the win) could have gone either way.

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    Yeah, but at the end of the day, England still lost. I believe it was Sir Clive Woodward who said something to the effect of "it doesn't matter how you win, as long as you win." Guess what, it goes both ways.

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    We went through the same thing during the last six nations when we didnít even win a game. Yes thatís right we even lost to Italy.

    But two years on and we have one of the strongest teams in years. We play with a constant fluency and our defending of our line has been superb.

    The other good news is for us is our under 21 are on for the grand slam as well so we should be quite good for another couple of years at least.

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    England ought to be geared up and ready by the 2011 World Cup, which will probably be held in Japan. I don't see them threatening any other top nations any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore Holly Fan
    Yea you should have beat France and Ireland to be fair but your kicking was shit. When Wilkinson returns I think youíll see a vast improvement in your results.
    When Wilkinson returns? It should be more an if he returns to international level again.

    Since the world cup he has had three straight injuries and now it looks as though he is fucked again.

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    WE won the Grand slam!!!!

    Well our Under U21s. And today hopefully our seniors. Got an early start today 930 into Cardiff drinking starts at 1130 sharp and hopefully if we win that will keep me going till 2 in the morning.

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    Fuck it. Wales have been the best side throughout the tournament but I had a faint hope Ireland would at least pull one good performance out of their arses.

    Geordan Murphy and Denis Hickie were shit. Didn't even start playing until Wales were out of sight. Same old story. Ireland roll over when it comes to the crunch.

    Come on Scotland.

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    Wales 32 - 20 Ireland @ Cardiff, Wales
    For Wales:
    Tries by Gethin Jenkins and Kevin Morgan
    2 conversions and 4 penalty goals by Stephen Jones
    Penalty goal and dropped goal by Gavin Henson
    For Ireland:
    Tries by Marcus Horan and Geordan Murphy
    2 conversions by David Humphreys
    2 penalty goals by Ronan O'Gara

    Italy 13 - 56 France @ Rome, Italy
    For Italy:
    Try by Kaine Robertson
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Gert Peens
    For France:
    2 tries by David Maty, tries by Yannick Nyanga, Yannick Jauzion, Julien Laharrague, Gregory Lamboley and Pierre Mignoni
    4 conversions and 2 penalty goals by Dimitri Yachvili
    2 conversions by Frederic Michalak


    Results of England VS Scotland to come soon.


    Note: This is the third year running in which the winner has taken the Grand Slam as well.

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    England 43 - 22 Scotland @ London, England
    For England:
    3 tries by Jamie Noon, tries by Joe Worsley, Josh Lewsey, Harry Ellis and Mark Cueto
    4 conversions by Charlie Hodgson
    For Scotland:
    Tries by Sean Lamont, Andy Craig and Simon Taylor
    2 conversions and a penalty goal by Chris Paterson




    Final Six Nations Standings:
    1. Wales - Won 5
    2. France - Won 4, lost 1
    3. Ireland - Won 3, lost 2
    4. England - Won 2, lost 3
    5. Scotland - Won 1, lost 4
    6. Italy - Lost 5
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    So, with the upcoming Lions Tour to New Zealand, who might make Sir Clive's squad?

    This would be what I imagine the Test XV would look like:
    1. Gethin Jenkins - Wales
    2. Shane Byrne - Ireland
    3. Julian White - England
    4. Paul O'Connell - Ireland
    5. Ben Kay - England
    6. Lawrence Dallaglio - England
    7. Martyn Williams - Wales
    8. Martin Corry - England/Michael Owen - Wales
    9. Chris Cusiter - Scotland
    10. Stephen Jones - Wales/Jonny Wilkinson - England (if he's fit)
    11. Shane Williams - Wales/Ben Cohen - England (if he's fit)
    12. Gavin Henson - Wales/Gordon D'Arcy - Ireland
    13. Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland
    14. Jason Robinson - England
    15. Gareth Thomas - Wales/Chris Paterson - Scotland

    The captaincy will probably go to one of the following: O'Driscoll, Dallaglio or O'Connell. I don't see Gareth Thomas getting the captaincy, since Chris Paterson has a lot more pace and a solid kicking game. Those small details could and would make or break a game. I'm sure Dallaglio would want to be on the tour, since that would mean a full set of Lions tours for him, and he deserves a good swansong like a Lions tour.

    And here's what I see as a probable All Blacks Test XV
    1. Tony Woodcock - Blues, North Harbour
    2. Anton Oliver - Highlanders, Otago
    3. Carl Hayman - Highlanders, Otago
    4. Chris Jack - Crusaders, Canterbury
    5. Norm Maxwell - Crusaders, Canterbury
    6. Jerry Collins - Hurricanes, Wellington
    7. Richie McCaw (VC) - Crusaders, Canterbury
    8. Rodney So'oialo - Hurricanes, Wellington
    9. Byron Kelleher - Chiefs, Waikato
    10. Daniel Carter - Crusaders, Canterbury
    11. Joe Rokocoko - Blues, Auckland
    12. Tana Umaga (C) - Hurricanes, Wellington
    13. Rico Gear - Crusaders, Nelson Bays/Conrad Smith - Hurricanes, Wellington/Casey Laulala - Crusaders, Canterbury
    14. Hosea Gear - Hurricanes, Wellington/Rico Gear - Crusaders, Nelson Bays
    15. Malili Muliaina - Blues, Auckland/Leon MacDonald - Crusaders, Canterbury/Adrian Cashmore - Chiefs, Bay of Plenty

    Basically, not all that different from the team that was fielded against France at the end of 2004. I don't see Doug Howlett returning to the All Blacks in his current form. With Rico Gear, he is also a possibility at the right wing, if he isn't played as an outside centre. If that is the case, the no. 13 jersey will most likely be contested between Conrad Smith and Casey Laulala. Of course, it's entirely possible that Umaga may be played there, with either Sam Tuitupou or Aaron Mauger filling in the no. 12 jersey. I don't see Dan Carter being shifted from the no. 10 jersey, based on the current forms of Carlos Spencer and Andrew Mehrtens, and also taking into account how good Carter was in that role. The next big question is, while Norm Maxwell will probably get a spot in the starting XV in at least 2 tests against the Lions, who will be the other lock? His chronic back condition means that he is physically incapable of completing a full 80-minute match, so whomever replaces him could end up being a potential weak link. I don't really see Ali Williams making the squad in his current form, Jono Gibbes at 194cm may be too short to be an effective lock at the test level and Keith Robinson's future is in doubt, since he too suffers from a chronic back condition. The best bets are on Sean Hohneck (Chiefs, Waikato), James Ryan (Highlanders, Otago) and Ross Kennedy (Hurricanes, Wellington).
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    You picked a mighty fine team there but i'd make a change or two or four infact.

    9. Matt Dawson
    11. Josh Lewsey
    14. Ben Cohen (if fit, if not Jason Robinson)
    15. Jason Robinson (if Cohen's not fit then Gareth Thomas at full back)

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    Carn the Tahs!!!!!

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    Current Super 12 standings
    1. Waratahs - 5 wins - 24 points
    2. Brumbies - 4 wins, 1 loss - 18 points
    3. Hurricanes - 4 wins, 1 loss - 17 points
    4. Crusaders - 3 wins, 1 loss - 15 points
    4. Highlanders - 3 wins, 1 loss, 1 draw - 15 points
    6. Stormers - 1 win, 3 losses, 1 draw - 8 points
    6. Blues - 2 wins, 2 losses - 8 points
    8. Cats - 1 win, 4 losses - 7 points
    9. Bulls - 1 win, 4 losses - 6 points
    9. Reds - 1 win, 3 losses - 6 points
    9. Sharks - 1 win, 4 losses - 6 points
    12. Chiefs - 1 win, 3 losses - 4 points

    Sharks pulled off the shock of the round, with a 36-24 win over the Brumbies. And everyone seems to be waiting for the Waratahs campaign to derail. Any time now...

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    Hurricanes 28 - 16 Chiefs @ Wellington, New Zealand
    For Hurricanes:
    Tries by Piri Weepu, Conrad Smith and Tana Umaga
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Jimmy Gopperth
    For Chiefs:
    Try by David Hill
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Hill

    Reds 16 - 23 Highlanders @ Brisbane, Queesnland, Australia
    For Reds:
    Tries by Chris Latham and Junior Palesasa
    2 penalty goals by Julian Huxley
    For Highlanders:
    2 tries by Josh Blackie
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Ben Blair

    Blues 17 - 0 Brumbies @ Auckland, New Zealand
    For Blues:
    Tries by Doug Howlett and Luke McAlister
    2 conversions and a penalty goal by McAlister

    Waratahs 27 - 33 Crusaders @ Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
    For Waratahs:
    Tries by Peter Hewat, Cameron Shepherd and Lote Tuqiri
    3 conversions and 2 penalty goals by Hewat
    For Crusaders:
    2 tries by Rico Gear, tries by Chris Jack and Andrew Mehrtens
    2 conversions and 3 penalty goals by Daniel Carter

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    Lions Squad has been named

    Backs:
    Ian Balshaw (England and Leeds) - Fullback
    Geordan Murphy (Ireland and Leinster) - Fullback
    Gareth Thomas (Wales and Toulouse) - Fullback
    Jason Robinson (England and Sale Sharks) - Fullback/Wing
    Shane Williams (Wales and Neath-Swansea Ospreys) - Wing
    Josh Lewsey (England and Wasps) - Wing/Fullback
    Shane Horgan (Ireland and Leinster) - Wing
    Denis Hickie (Ireland and Leinster) - Wing
    Tom Shanklin (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Wing/Outside Centre
    Brian O'Driscoll (Ireland and Leinster, captain) - Outide Centre
    Gavin Henson (Wales and Neath-Swansea Ospreys) - Inside Centre/Fly-half
    Ollie Smith (England and Leicester) - Outside Centre
    Gordon D'Arcy (Ireland and Leinster) - Inside Centre
    Will Greenwood (England and Harlequins) - Outside Centre
    Stephen Jones (Wales and Clermont Auvergne) - Fly-half
    Ronan O'Gara (Ireland and Munster) - Fly-half
    Charlie Hodgson (England and Sale Sharks) - Flyhalf
    Matt Dawson (England and Wasps) - Scrumhalf
    Dwayne Peel (Wales and Llanelli Scarlets) - Scrumhalf
    Gareth Cooper (Wales and Newport Gwent Dragons) - Scrumhalf
    Chris Cusiter (Scotland and Borders) - Scrumhalf

    Forwards:
    Simon Taylor (Scotland and Edinburgh) - No. 8/Flanker
    Martin Corry (England and Leicester) - No. 8
    Lawrence Dallaglio (England and Wasps) - No. 8/Flanker
    Michael Owen (Wales and Newport Gwent Dragons) - No. 8/Second Row
    Neil Back (England and Leicester) - Flanker
    Martyn Williams (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Flanker
    Lewis Moody (England and Leicester) - Flanker
    Richard Hill (England and Saracens) - Flanker
    Danny Grewcock (England and Bath) - Lock
    Ben Kay (England and Leicester) -Lock
    Malcolm O'Kelly (Ireland and Leinster) - Lock
    Donncha O'Callaghan (Ireland and Munster) - Lock
    Paul O'Connell (Ireland and Munster) - Lock
    Shane Byrne (Ireland and Leinster) - Hooker
    Steve Thompson (England and Northampton) - Hooker
    Andy Titterrell (England and Sale Sharks) - Hooker
    Gordon Bulloch (Scotland and Glasgow) - Hooker
    Graham Rowntree (England and Leicester) - Prop
    Andrew Sheridan (England and Sale Sharks) - Prop
    Matt Stevens (England and Bath) - Prop
    Gethin Jenkins (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Prop
    Julian White (England and Leicester) - Prop
    John Hayes (Ireland and Munster) - Prop
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    The squad looks very... beatable.

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    I was talking bout tahs....

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    Hahahaha. They've derailed. The Blues on the other hand have remembered how to win, and not only that, but it appears Doug Howlett has remembered how to score tries and Luke McAlister has remembered how to covert shots at goal. YUSS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyoza
    Lions Squad has been named

    Backs:
    Ian Balshaw (England and Leeds) - Fullback
    Geordan Murphy (Ireland and Leinster) - Fullback
    Gareth Thomas (Wales and Toulouse) - Fullback
    Jason Robinson (England and Sale Sharks) - Fullback/Wing
    Shane Williams (Wales and Neath-Swansea Ospreys) - Wing
    Josh Lewsey (England and Wasps) - Wing/Fullback
    Shane Horgan (Ireland and Leinster) - Wing
    Denis Hickie (Ireland and Leinster) - Wing
    Tom Shanklin (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Wing/Outside Centre
    Brian O'Driscoll (Ireland and Leinster, captain) - Outide Centre
    Gavin Henson (Wales and Neath-Swansea Ospreys) - Inside Centre/Fly-half
    Ollie Smith (England and Leicester) - Outside Centre
    Gordon D'Arcy (Ireland and Leinster) - Inside Centre
    Will Greenwood (England and Harlequins) - Outside Centre
    Stephen Jones (Wales and Clermont Auvergne) - Fly-half
    Ronan O'Gara (Ireland and Munster) - Fly-half
    Charlie Hodgson (England and Sale Sharks) - Flyhalf
    Matt Dawson (England and Wasps) - Scrumhalf
    Dwayne Peel (Wales and Llanelli Scarlets) - Scrumhalf
    Gareth Cooper (Wales and Newport Gwent Dragons) - Scrumhalf
    Chris Cusiter (Scotland and Borders) - Scrumhalf

    Forwards:
    Simon Taylor (Scotland and Edinburgh) - No. 8/Flanker
    Martin Corry (England and Leicester) - No. 8
    Lawrence Dallaglio (England and Wasps) - No. 8/Flanker
    Michael Owen (Wales and Newport Gwent Dragons) - No. 8/Second Row
    Neil Back (England and Leicester) - Flanker
    Martyn Williams (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Flanker
    Lewis Moody (England and Leicester) - Flanker
    Richard Hill (England and Saracens) - Flanker
    Danny Grewcock (England and Bath) - Lock
    Ben Kay (England and Leicester) -Lock
    Malcolm O'Kelly (Ireland and Leinster) - Lock
    Donnacha O'Callaghan (Ireland and Munster) - Lock
    Paul O'Connell (Ireland and Munster) - Lock
    Shane Byrne (Ireland and Leinster) - Hooker
    Steve Thompson (England and Northampton) - Hooker
    Andy Titterrell (England and Sale Sharks)
    Gordon Bulloch (Scotland and Glasgow)
    Graham Rowntree (England and Leicester) - Prop
    Andrew Sheridan (England and Sale Sharks) - Prop
    Matt Stevens (England and Bath) - Prop
    Gethin Jenkins (Wales and Cardiff Blues) - Prop
    Julian White (England and Leicester) - Prop
    John Hayes (Ireland and Munster) - Prop
    Not the most impressive squad Iíve ever seen. Shame so many old and past it England players are in it I mean 20 England player and only 11 Irish and 10 Welsh. Itís a shame really Clive must be stuck in 2003 we could have had a much butter squad than that.

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    I'm surprised Chris Paterson, Rhys Williams, Colin Charvis, Adam Jones and Brent Cockbain weren't selected, to be honest.

    I forgot to mention this:
    New Zealand now has a match against Wales on the 5th of November this year. Therefore, in 2005, there will be a Lions tour to NZ and a Grand Slam Tour at the end of the year, making this the biggest season in the history of New Zealand rugby.

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    The new Perth Super 14 franchise has been named: they will be called Western Force, with a jersey that is blue and gold. They have already signed Nathan Sharpe from the Queensland Reds, who will be the captain, as well as Brendan Cannon and Lachlan MacKay from the NSW Waratahs. Former Brumby and Wallaby, Ben Darwin has been named as assistant coach.

    Hmmm.
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    Super 12 Semifinalists:

    1. Canterbury Crusaders (Home semi-final, home final provided they win in semis)
    2. NSW Waratahs (Home semi-final, away final if Crusaders win)
    3. Blue Bulls (Away semi-final, home final if Crusaders lose)
    4. Wellington Hurricanes (Away semi-final, away final)

    The rest:
    5. ACT Brumbies
    6. Waikato Chiefs
    7. Auckland Blues
    8. Otago Highlanders
    9. Western Stormers
    10. Queensland Reds
    11. Transvaal Cats
    12. Natal Sharks

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    Super 12 Finals
    Crusaders VS Waratahs - Jade Stadium, Christchurch, New Zealand


    Go Crusaders!

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    Heaps of news out of New Zealand

    NZ Maori Squad to play Lions named

    Forwards
    Corey Flynn* (Canterbury) - Hooker
    Scott Linklater (Waikato) - Hooker
    Greg Feek^ (Canterbury) - Prop
    Carl Hayman* (Otago) - Prop
    Deacon Manu (Waikato) - Prop
    Sean Hohneck (Waikato) - Lock
    Paul Tito (Taranaki) - Lock
    Jono Gibbes* (Captain, Waikato) - Flanker/Lock
    Angus MacDonald (Auckland) - Flanker/Lock
    Wayne Ormond (Bay of Plenty) - Flanker
    Daniel Braid^ (Auckland) - Flanker
    Marty Holah* (Waikato) - Flanker
    Thomas Waldrom (Wellington) - Flanker

    Backs
    Piri Weepu* (Wellington) - Scrumhalf
    Craig McGrath (North Harbour) - Scrumhalf
    David Hill^ (Waikato) - Flyhalf/Inside Centre
    Riki Flutey (Wellington) - Flyhalf/Fullback
    Luke McAlister* (North Harbour) - Flyhalf/Inside Centre
    Carlos Spencer* (Auckland) - Flyhalf/Fullback
    Tamati Ellison (Wellington) - Centre
    Rua Tipoki (North Harbour) - Centre
    Rico Gear* (Nelson Bays) - Wing/Centre
    Caleb Ralph^ (Canterbury) - Wing/Centre
    Neil Brew (Otago) - Wing/Fullback
    Leon MacDonald^ (Canterbury) - Fullback
    Shannon Paku (Wellington) - Fullback

    Two to be added later

    * = 2004 All Black
    ^ = Former All Black

    And here are the teams to play at the All Blacks trials. Key players such as Rico Gear, Marty Holah and Jono Gibbes are missing due to NZ Maori commitments, while Joe Rokocoko and Jerome Kaino miss out due to selection in the Sevens Squad.

    Probables

    1. Tony Woodcock (North Harbour)
    2. Derren Witcombe (Auckland)
    3. Campbell Johnstone (Canterbury)
    4. James Ryan (Otago)
    5. Ali Williams (Auckland)
    6. Sione Lauaki (Waikato)
    7. Craig Newby (Otago)
    8. Steven Bates (Waikato)
    9. Byron Kelleher (Waikato)
    10. Nick Evans (Otago)
    11. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Waikato)
    12. Tana Umaga (Captain, Wellington)
    13. Mils Muliaina (Auckland)
    14. Doug Howlett (Auckland)
    15. Sosene Anesi (Waikato)

    16. Keven Mealamu (Auckland)
    17. Clarke Dermody (Otago)
    18. Bradley Mika (Auckland)
    19. Rodney Soíoialo (Wellington)
    20. Jimmy Cowan (Southland)
    21. Andrew Mehrtens (Canterbury)
    22. Seilala Mapusua (Otago)


    Possibles
    1. Saimone Taumoepeau (Auckland)
    2. Andrew Hore (Captain, Taranaki)
    3. John Afoa (Auckland)
    4. Ross Kennedy (Wellington)
    5. Kevin O'Neill (Canterbury)
    6. Chris Masoe (Wellington)
    7. Josh Blackie (Otago)
    8. Nick Williams (North Harbour)
    9. Steve Devine (Auckland)
    10. Stephen Donald (Waikato)
    11. Brent Ward (Auckland)
    12. Maía Nonu (Wellington)
    13. Conrad Smith (Wellington)
    14. Scott Hamilton (Canterbury)
    15. Ben Atiga (Auckland)

    16. Tone Kopelani (Canterbury)
    17. Carl Hoeft (Otago)
    18. Tom Donnelly (Otago)
    19. Jerry Collins (Wellington)
    20. Jamie Nutbrown (Canterbury)
    21. Jimmy Gopperth (Wellington)
    22. Casey Laulala (Canterbury)

    Not considered due to injury: Tasesa Lavea, Hoani MacDonald, Anton Oliver, Niva Taíauso, Neemia Tialata and Anthony Tuitavake.

    Unavailable due to Provincial commitments: Bernie Upton and Kevin Senio are with Bay of Plenty who play the Lions on June 4.

    Further, players expected in the starting XV of the Canterbury Crusaders including those ineligible for NZ Maori are being rested, i.e., Greg Somerville, Chris Jack, Reuben Thorne, Richie McCaw, Mose Tuiali'i, Justin Marshall, Daniel Carter and Aaron Mauger are also not available for the trial, but will most likely enter contention.
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    NZ Maori 22 to face Lions in Hamilton

    Forwards
    Daniel Braid - Openside flanker (Auckland and Blues)
    Greg Feek - Loosehead prop (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Ross Filipo - Lock (Wellington and Crusaders)
    Corey Flynn - Hooker (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Jono Gibbes (Captain) - Blindside Flanker/Lock (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Carl Hayman - Tighthead Prop (Otago and Highlanders)
    Marty Holah - Openside Flanker (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Sean Hohneck - Lock (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Scott Linklater - Hooker (Waikato)
    Angus MacDonald - Loose Forward/Lock (Auckland and Blues)
    Deacon Manu - Tighthead prop/Loosehead Prop (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Wayne Ormond - Blindside Flanker (Bay of Plenty and Chiefs)

    Backs
    Neil Brew - Utility back (Otago and Highlanders)
    Rico Gear - Winger/Outside Centre (Nelson Bays and Crusaders)
    David Hill - Flyhalf/Inside Centre (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Leon MacDonald - Fullback/Centre/Flyhalf (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Luke McAlister - Flyhalf/Inside Centre (North Harbour and Blues)
    Craig McGrath - Scrumhalf (North Harbour)
    Caleb Ralph - Winger/Outside Centre (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Carlos Spencer - Flyhalf/Fullback (Auckland and Blues)
    Rua Tipoki - Centre (North Harbour)
    Piri Weepu - Scrumhalf (Wellington and Hurricanes)

    Expected XV and reserves
    1. Deacon Manu
    2. Corey Flynn
    3. Carl Hayman
    4. Ross Filipo
    5. Sean Hohneck
    6. Jono Gibbes (C)
    7. Marty Holah
    8. Angus MacDonald
    9. Piri Weepu
    10. Carlos Spencer
    11. Caleb Ralph
    12. David Hill
    13. Rua Tipoki
    14. Rico Gear
    15. Leon MacDonald

    16. Scott Linklater
    17. Greg Feek
    18. Wayne Ormond
    19. Daniel Braid
    20. Craig McGrath
    21. Luke McAlister
    22. Neil Brew

    All Blacks Squad to face Fiji at Albany

    Forwards
    Jerry Collins - Blindside Flanker/No. 8 (Wellington and Hurricanes)
    Chris Jack - Lock (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    *Campbell Johnstone - Tighthead Prop (Cantebury and Crusaders)
    Riche McCaw - Openside Flanker (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Keven Mealamu - Hooker (Auckland and Blues)
    *James Ryan - Lock (Otago and Highlanders)
    Greg Somerville - Tighthead Prop (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Rodney So'oialo - No. 8 (Wellington and Hurricanes)
    Mose Tuiali'i - No. 8 (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Ali Williams - Lock (Auckland and Blues)
    Tony Woodcock - Loosehead Prop (North Harbour and Blues)
    *Derren Witcombe - Hooker (Auckland and Blues)

    Backs
    *Sosene Anesi - Fullback/Winger (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Daniel Carter - Flyhalf/Inside Centre (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Doug Howlett - Winger/Fullback (Auckland and Blues)
    Byron Kelleher - Scrumhalf (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Justin Marshall - Scrumhalf (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Aaron Mauger - Flyhalf/Inside Centre (Canterbury and Crusaders)
    Mils Muliaina - Fullback/Outside Centre (Auckland and Blues)
    Ma'a Nonu - Centre/Winger (Wellington and Hurricanes)
    *Sitiveni Sivivatu - Winger (Waikato and Chiefs)
    Conrad Smith - Outside Centre (Wellington and Hurricanes)
    Tana Umaga (Captain) - Centre (Wellington and Hurricanes)

    * indicates new cap

    Muliaina is on stand-by in case he recovers from injury. Anton Oliver is also within the All Blacks training camp while recovering from injury.

    Likely XV + reserves
    1. Tony Woodcock
    2. Keven Mealamu
    3. Greg Somerville
    4. Chris Jack
    5. Ali Williams
    6. Jerry Collins
    7. Richie McCaw (Vice-Captain)
    8. Rodney So'oialo
    9. Justin Marshall/Byron Kelleher
    10. Daniel Carter
    11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
    12. Tana Umaga (Captain)
    13. Conrad Smith
    14. Douglas Howlett
    15. Soseni Anesi

    16. Derren Witcombe
    17. Campbell Johnstone
    18. James Ryan
    19. Mose Tuiali'i
    20. Justin Marshall/Byron Kelleher
    21. Aaron Mauger
    22. Ma'a Nonu

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    Lions Squad to play Taranaki on Wednesday at New Plymouth

    1. Graham Rowntree (England)
    2. Andy Titterrell (England)
    3. John Hayes (Ireland)
    4. Donncha O'Callaghan (Ireland)
    5. Danny Grewcock (England)
    6. Martin Corry (England, Captain)
    7. Lewis Moody (England)
    8. Michael Owen (Wales)
    9. Chris Cusiter (Scotland)
    10. Charlie Hodgson (England)
    11. Denis Hickie (Ireland)
    12. Ollie Smith (England)
    13. Will Greenwood (England, Vice-Captain)
    14. Shane Horgan (Ireland)
    15. Geordan Murphy (Ireland)

    16. Shane Byrne (Ireland)
    17. Gethin Jenkins (Wales)
    18. Ben Kay (England)
    19. Martyn Williams (Wales)
    20. Gareth Cooper (Wales)
    21. Jonny Wilkinson (England)
    22. Gavin Henson (Wales)

    All Blacks Squad to face Fiji at North Harbour Stadium, Albany, Auckland
    1. Tony Woodcock (North Harbour/Blues)
    2. Derren Witcombe* (Auckland/Blues)
    3. Greg Somerville (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    4. James Ryan* (Otago/Highlanders)
    5. Ali Williams (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    6. Jerry Collins (Wellington/Hurricanes)
    7. Richie McCaw (Canterbury/Crusaders, Vice-Captain)
    8. Rodney So'oialo (Wellington/Hurricanes)
    9. Byron Kelleher (Waikato/Chiefs)
    10. Daniel Carter (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    11. Sitiveni Sivivatu* (Waikato/Chiefs)
    12. Aaron Mauger (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    13. Tana Umaga (Wellington/Hurricanes, Captain)
    14. Doug Howlett (Auckland/Blues)
    15. Malili Muliaina (Auckland/Blues)

    16. Keven Mealamu (Auckland/Blues)
    17. Campbell Johnstone* (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    18. Chris Jack (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    19. Sione Lauaki (Waikato/Chiefs)
    20. Justin Marshall (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    21. Conrad Smith (Wellington/Hurricanes)
    22. Soseni Anesi* (Waikato/Chiefs)

    * indicates new caps
    Last edited by Gyoza; June 10th, 2005 at 5:04 PM. Reason: Last minute change on bench

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    Canít believe Jonny Wilkinson is playing. All his kicks against Argentina where in front of the posts apart from the last one. Injured for two years and straight into the lions team what a joke. Id feel a lot more confidant with Steven Jones or Ronan O'Gara in the team.

    Plus with Dallaglio crooked gives us the chance to have a bit of youth in the number eight position. Owen was one of the stars in the six nations and deserves to show what he can do.

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    Damn. Taranaki lost to the Lions. Interestingly enough, Taranaki were actually ahead going into halftime. It was 7-6, but still, a lead is a lead is a lead.

    Simon Shaw's call-up after the injury to Malcolm O'Kelly is one that calls for some headscratching. The last time Shaw played at the test level, he was getting redcarded for kneeing Keith Robinson in the back during a ruck at Eden Park, acting like a plonker and being a total pussy by attacking when he knows Robinson was unable to retaliate. Brent Cockbain on the other hand, was one of the better locks to emerge in the 6 Nations.

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    Is Brent Cockbain even in the lions squad? I thought he was until Wales destroyed USA on Saturday and he was playing I swear he was playing. Anyway we won that 77-3.

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    Nope. Cockbain was overlooked. The locks initially slected were Paul O'Connel, Danny Grewcock, Ben Kay, Malcolm O'Kelly and Donncha O'Callaghan. O'Kelly got injured, and Shaw got the call-up ahead of Cockbain.

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    I really donít think Clive looks to the now. It took him years and years to build that world cup team and that was just lucky that they had an amazing kicker like Wilkinson. Thatís how we used to play hide behind Jenkins kicking. I donít think they would have got anywhere with out him. Maybe thatís why the lions arenít doing so well because when wilkos not 100% he doesnít know what to do. Id much prefer if we played more fluent attacking rugby.

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    New Zealand Maori Squad to face Lions in Hamilton

    1. Deacon Manu (Chiefs/Waikato)
    2. Corey Flynn (Crusaers/Canterbury)
    2. Carl Hayman (Highlanders/Otago)
    4. Ross Filipo (Crusaders/Wellington)
    5. Sean Hohneck (Chiefs/Waikato)
    6. Jono Gibbes (C, Chiefs/Waikato)
    7. Marty Holah (Chiefs/Waikato)
    8. Angus MacDonald (Blues/Auckland)
    9. Piri Weepu (Hurricanes/Wellington)
    10. David Hill (Chiefs/Waikato)
    11. Caleb Ralph (Crusaders/Canterbury)
    12. Luke McAlister (Blues/North Harbour)
    13. Rua Tipoki (North Harbour)
    14. Rico Gear (Crusaders/Nelson Bays)
    15. Leon MacDonald (Crusaders/Canterbury)

    16. Scott Linklater (Waikato)
    17. Greg Feek (Cursaders/Canterbury)
    18. Daniel Braid (Blues/Auckland)
    19. Wayne Ormond (Chiefs/Bay of Plenty)
    20. Craig McGrath (North Harbour)
    21. Carlos Spencer (Blues/Auckland)
    22. Neil Brew (Highlanders/Otago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore Holly Fan
    I really donít think Clive looks to the now. It took him years and years to build that world cup team and that was just lucky that they had an amazing kicker like Wilkinson. Thatís how we used to play hide behind Jenkins kicking. I donít think they would have got anywhere with out him. Maybe thatís why the lions arenít doing so well because when wilkos not 100% he doesnít know what to do. Id much prefer if we played more fluent attacking rugby.
    I understand what you mean, but it is not just about Johnny's kicking. He is a good fly half as well who is good at most aspects of his game. But when he is not playing I agree they don't look like they know what to do. Still, we won several games without him in the past.

    I think we would have done fine without wilkinson, I mean we scored a great try in the world cup final and many of the other games, and in most of the games in that tournement it was the pack that dominated the game. Now they are gone it really shows. It really annoys me when people say that england only win due to johnny, it is in my opinion, bitterness from other countries. I had no complaints when Wales won the Six Nations. I just thought good one them and moved on, I don't make excueses as to why they did win. They played the best rugby in the tournement and so they won. Wilkinson was NOT the reason England were sucsessful a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viva_la_raza
    I understand what you mean, but it is not just about Johnny's kicking. He is a good fly half as well who is good at most aspects of his game. But when he is not playing I agree they don't look like they know what to do. Still, we won several games without him in the past.

    I think we would have done fine without wilkinson, I mean we scored a great try in the world cup final and many of the other games, and in most of the games in that tournement it was the pack that dominated the game. Now they are gone it really shows. It really annoys me when people say that england only win due to johnny, it is in my opinion, bitterness from other countries. I had no complaints when Wales won the Six Nations. I just thought good one them and moved on, I don't make excueses as to why they did win. They played the best rugby in the tournement and so they won. Wilkinson was NOT the reason England were sucsessful a few years ago.
    You are correct about England's victory in the World Cup 2 years ago. England had a pack that had seen the highs and lows of test rugby, most of whom had survived the Tour of Hell in 1998. Many of the forwards became some of the best players in their postitions, not because of talent, but because of experience and sheer bloody-mindedness. Further, England was a very aggressive team that relied on brute strength and would batter teams into submission and enjoyed the presence of a charismatic leader in the form of Martin Johnson. That being said, Wilkinson did win the Webb Ellis Cup for England with that last minute drop goal against Australia.

    England were then exposed in New Zealand after Martin Johnson retired from the international game. It did help that the new All Blacks coaching regime of Graham Henry, Wayne Smith, Steve Hansen and Sir Brian Lochore decided, unlike their predecessors, to allow the team to meet fire with fire and have the forward pack concentrate on the set-pieces. Case in point, All Blacks VS England at Carisbrook in Dunedin, last year. That being said, England will probably be a threat to us by around 2011. I don't see them taking the world cup in 2007. That tournament will come down to New Zealand, Australia, Wales and South Africa.
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    Wallabies squad to face Samoa
    1. Bill Young (Vice-Captain, ACT Brumbies)
    2. Jeremy Paul (ACT Brumbies)
    3. Matt Dunning (NSW Waratahs)
    4. Mark Chisholm (ACT Brumbies)
    5. Nathan Sharpe (Captain, Queensland Reds)
    6. Rocky Elson (NSW Waratahs)
    7. George Smith (ACT Brumbies)
    8. David Lyons (NSW Waratahs)
    9. Chris Whitaker (Vice-Captain, NSW Waratahs)
    10. Matt Giteau (ACT Brumbies)
    11. Clyde Rathbone (ACT Brumbies)
    12. Morgan Turinui (NSW Waratahs)
    13. Stirling Mortlock (ACT Brumbies)
    14. Wendell Sailor (Queensland Reds)
    15. Chris Latham (Queensland Reds)

    16. Stephen Moore (Queensland Reds)
    17. Nic Henderson (ACT Brumbies)
    18. Hugh McMeniman (Queensland Reds)
    19. John Roe (Queensland Reds)
    20. Matt Henjak (ACT Brumbies)
    21. Stephen Larkham (ACT Brumbies)
    22. Mat Rogers (NSW Waratahs)

    23rd Man: Scott Fava

    Samoan Squad to face Wallabies
    1. Justin Vaa
    2. Jonathon Meredith
    3. Cencus Johnston
    4. Opeta Palepoi
    5. Siuleo Lafaili'i
    6. Simaika Mikaele
    7. Falaiva Motusaga
    8. Semo Sititi (Captain)
    9. Lualua Vailoaloa
    10. Tanner Vili
    11. Alesana Tuilagi
    12. Brian Lima
    13. Terry Fanolua
    14. Lome Fa'atau
    15. Apoua Stewart

    16. Trevor Leota
    17. Jamie Parkinson
    18. Daniel Lio
    19. Paul Tupai
    20. Notise Tauafao
    21. Faletoese Talapusi
    22. George Leaupepe

    Springboks Squad to face Uruguay
    1. Gurthro Steenkamp (Cats)
    2. John Smit (Captain, Sharks)
    3. CJ van der Linde (Cats)
    4. Bakkies Botha (Bulls)
    5. Albert van den Berg (Sharks)
    6. Solly Tyibilika (Sharks)
    7. Danie Rossouw (Bulls)
    8. Jacques Cronje (Bulls)
    9. Enrico Januarie (Test debut)
    10. Jaco van der Westhuyzen (Vice-Captain, NEC)
    11. Bryan Habana (Bulls)
    12. Jean de Villiers (Stormers)
    13. Marius Joubert (Stormers)
    14. Tonderai Chavanga (Stormers)
    15. Percy Montgomery (Newport-Gwent Dragons)

    16. Hanyani Shimange (Stormers)
    17. Os du Randt (Cats)
    18. Juan Smith (Cats)
    19. Joe van Niekerk (Stormers)
    20. Fourie du Preez (Bulls)
    21. Jaque Fourie (Cats)
    22. Brent Russell (Sharks)

    Fiji Squad to face All Blacks
    1. Josese Baie (Marist [Suva])
    2. Villame Gadolo (Lomaiviti)
    3. Bill Cavubati (Masterton)
    4. Akuila Matanibukaca (Nadi)
    5. Isoa Domolailai (Marist [Auckland])
    6. Ifereimi Rawaqa (World [Japan])
    7. Aca Ratuva (Agen)
    8. Sisa Koyamaibole (Taranaki)
    9. Mosese Rauluni (Captain, Saracens)
    10. Nicky Little (Saracens)
    11. Sireli Bobo (Parma)
    12. Seremaia Bai (Secom)
    13. Villame Satala (Toyota-Shokki)
    14, Vilimoni Delasau (Canterbury/Crusaders)
    15. Norman Ligairi (Yamaha)

    16. Sunia Koto (Marist [Suva])
    17. Jone Railomo (NMA)
    18. Seva Rokobaro (Gordon)
    19. Sam Tabua (Randwick)
    20. Jono Qovu (Senibiau)
    21. Jocob Rauluni (Rotherham)
    22. Epeli Ruivadra (World)

    23rd Man: Jo Tora (Gaunavou)

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    All Blacks 91 - 0 Fiji at North Harbour Stadium, Albany, Auckland
    For New Zealand
    Tries by Sitiveni Sivivatu (4), Tana Umaga (2), Doug Howlett (2), Daniel Carter, Greg Somerville, Aaron Mauger, Ali Williams, Rodney So'oialo, Keven Mealamu and Malili Muliaina
    5 conversions by Daniel Carter
    3 conversions by Aaron Mauger
    All Blacks were 50-0 ahead at half-time

    There are one-sided romps, and there are one-sided romps. This falls into the latter category. 6 All Blacks were given their 1st test caps last night: James Ryan, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Derren Witcombe, Soseni Anesi, Cambell Johnstone and Sione Lauaki. Sivivatu, Ryan and Witcombe also really put their hands up for a spot in the squad to face the Lions. With Witcombe, he really needs to establish himself, since Anton Oliver's recovery is coming along nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyoza
    You are correct about England's victory in the World Cup 2 years ago. England had a pack that had seen the highs and lows of test rugby, most of whom had survived the Tour of Hell in 1998. Many of the forwards became some of the best players in their postitions, not because of talent, but because of experience and sheer bloody-mindedness. Further, England was a very aggressive team that relied on brute strength and would batter teams into submission and enjoyed the presence of a charismatic leader in the form of Martin Johnson. That being said, Wilkinson did win the Webb Ellis Cup for England with that last minute drop goal against Australia.

    England were then exposed in New Zealand after Martin Johnson retired from the international game. It did help that the new All Blacks coaching regime of Graham Henry, Wayne Smith, Steve Hansen and Sir Brian Lochore decided, unlike their predecessors, to allow the team to meet fire with fire and have the forward pack concentrate on the set-pieces. Case in point, All Blacks VS England at Carisbrook in Dunedin, last year. That being said, England will probably be a threat to us by around 2011. I don't see them taking the world cup in 2007. That tournament will come down to New Zealand, Australia, Wales and South Africa.
    Yeah, those four have too be strong favourites along with maybe France considering that they are the host nation. I think england will probably maybe reach the knock out stages of the World Cup, but it would suprise me if they did.

    You are right, wilkinson did win us the World Cup for us, I was not denying that, I just didn't like the fact that the other guy who posted said the ONLY reason we won the World Cup was because of him. But he did score the winner and get all the points in the semi, so he had a huge role to play in it.

    When the England team has developed it will probably be around 2011 like you said. That said it will beinteresting to see how well they do in the upcoming Six Nations tests.

    As things stand as present, I would say South Africa are one of the srongest favourites to win the rugby, but a lot can change in two years. Wales and NZ will definatly be there as will Australia. But it will be interesting to see which one of the southern hemisphere sides goes in as the main favourites, as NZ were in 2003.

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    NZ Maori 19 - 13 British and Irish Lions in Hamilton, New Zealand
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    Try by Leon MacDonald
    2 penalty goals by David Hill
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Luke McAlister
    For British and Irish Lions:
    Try by Brian O'Driscoll
    Conversion and 2 penalty goals by Stephen Jones



    YES YOU LITTLE BEAUTY!!! HAHAHA WOOOOOOOO!

    Andy Sheridan did quite well against Carl Hayman in the scrums, and in the end they came off Even Stevens. Sheridan outscrummed Hayman on a few occasions, and Hayman outscrummed Sheridan on a few occasions.

    Wallabies 74 - 7 Samoa in Sydney, Australia
    For Australia:
    Tries by Wendell Sailor (2), Stirling Mortlock, Nathan Sharpe, Clyde Rathbone, Rocky Elsom, Mark Chisholm, Chris Latham, Morgan Turinui and Mat Rogers
    5 conversions by Matt Giteau
    2 conversions by Stirling Mortlock
    For Samoa:
    Try by Terry Fanolua
    Conversion by Faletoese Talapusi

    Springboks 134 - 3 Uruguay in East London, South Africa
    For South Africa:
    Tries by Tonderai Chavhanga (6), Bryan Habana (2), Jean de Villiers (2), Solly Tyibilika (2), Albert van den Berg (2), Marius Joubert, Enrico Januarie, Danie Rossouw, Gurthro Steenkamp, Jacques Cronje, Jaque Fourie and Jaco van der Westhuyzen
    6 conversions and 1 penalty goal by Percy Montgomery
    7 conversions by Jaco van der Westhuyzen
    For Uruguay:
    Penalty goal by Agustin Perez del Castillo

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    All Blacks Squad to face British and Irish Lions

    Forwards
    Jerry Collins (Hurricanes/Wellington) - Flanker
    Carl Hayman (Highlanders/Otago) - Prop
    Chris Jack (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Lock
    Campbell Johnstone (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Prop
    Sione Lauaki (Chiefs/Waikato) - Flanker/No. 8
    Richie McCaw (Vice-Captain, Crusaders/Canterbury) - Flanker
    Keven Mealamu (Blues/Auckland) - Hooker
    Anton Oliver (Highlanders/Otago) - Hooker
    James Ryan (Highlanders/Otago) - Lock
    Greg Somerville (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Prop
    Rodney So'oialo (Hurricanes/Wellington) - No. 8/Flanker
    Mose Tuiali'i (Crusaders/Canterbury) - No. 8/Flanker
    Ali Williams (Blues/Auckland) - Lock
    Tony Woodcock (Blues/North Harbour) - Prop

    Backs
    Daniel Carter (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Flyhalf/Inside Centre
    Rico Gear (Crusaders/Nelson Bays) - Winger/Centre
    Doug Howlett (Blues/Auckland) - Winger/Fullback
    Byron Kelleher (Chiefs/Waikato) - Scrumhalf
    Leon MacDonald (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Fullback
    Justin Marshall (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Scrumhalf
    Aaron Mauger (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Inside Centre/Flyhalf
    Malili Muliaina (Blues/Auckland) - Fullback/Centre/Winger
    Ma'a Nonu (Hurricanes/Wellington) - Centre/Winger
    Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs/Waikato) - Winger
    Conrad Smith (Hurricanes/Wellington) - Centre
    Tana Umaga (Captain, Hurricanes/Wellington) - Centre

    Also training with the squad
    Jono Gibbes (Chiefs/Waikato) - Flanker/Lock
    Derren Witcombe (Blues/Auckland) - Hooker


    New Zealand Juniors (New Zealand A)
    Forwards
    John Afoa (Blues/Auckland) - Prop
    Steven Bates (Captain, Chiefs/Waikato) - No. 8
    Josh Blackie (Highlanders/Otago) - Flanker
    Ben Castle (Chiefs/Bay of Plenty) - Prop
    Clarke Dermody (Highlanders/Southland) - Prop
    Corey Flynn (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Hooker
    Carl Hoeft (Highlanders/Otago) - Prop
    Marty Holah (Chiefs/Waikato) - Flanker
    Andrew Hore (Hurricanes/Taranaki) - Hooker
    Jerome Kaino (Blues/Auckland) - Flanker/No. 8
    Ross Kennedy (Hurricanes/Wellington) - Lock
    Chris Masoe (Hurricanes/Taranaki) - Flanker/No. 8
    Craig Newby (Highlanders/Otago) - Flanker
    Kevin O'Neill (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Lock
    Saimone Taumoepeau (Blues/Auckland) - Prop
    Bernie Upton (Chiefs/Bay of Plenty) - Lock

    Backs
    Soseni Anesi (Cheifs/Waikato) - Fullback/Winger
    Ben Atiga (Blues/Auckland) - Centre/Fullback
    Jimmy Cowan (Highlanders/Soutland) - Scrumhalf
    Steve Devine (Blues/Auckland) - Scrumhalf
    Stephen Donald (Chiefs/Waikato) - Flyhalf
    Nick Evans (Highlanders/Otago) - Flyhalf/Fullback
    Scott Hamilton (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Winger/Fullback
    David Hill (Chiefs/Waikato) - Flyhalf/Inside Centre
    Casey Laulala (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Outside Centre
    Luke McAlister (Blues/North Harbour) - Flyhalf/Inside Centre
    Caleb Ralph (Crusaders/Canterbury) - Winger/Centre
    Joe Rokocoko (Blues/Auckland) - Winger
    Piri Weepu (Hurricanes/Wellington) - Scrumhalf

    Since Justin Marshall is leaving at the end of the Lions tour, either Devine or Weepu will most likely be called up to the All Blacks for the Tri-Nations.

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    CANADA 3 WALES 60
    CANADA - Derek Daypuck (Simon Pacey 65), Quentin Fyfee, Matt King, John Canon, Stirling Richmond, Ryan Smith, Morgan Williams (Pat Fleck 24-37, 75); Kevin Tckachuk (Cpt), Aaron Abrams (Pat Dunkley 46), Garth Cooke, Luke Tait, Jamie Cudmore (Josh Jackson 46), Mike Webb, Stan McKeen, Colin Yukes. Reps: Dan Pletch,Forrest Gainer, Ed Fairhurst.

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    I know Usa or Canada are not really teams you can boast about wining against. but we have got such a young squad out there. 11 players missing with the lions and still we are thrashing teams.

    With the under 21 wining the grandslam in very convincing style and the average age of our current crop of seniors I really think we have a very bright future ahead of us. I also think this yearís grandslam is just the iceberg. And we are going to get a hell of a lot better.

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    Martyn Williams was the form openside of the 6 Nations tournament, and if he's the best openside that the Lions can offer, they are in pretty deep shit, especially considering how he was played out of the park by Marty Holah in the NZ Maori VS Lions match because Richie McCaw is the best openside in the world right now. Holah knows this, McCaw knows this, Graham Henry knows this, the whole world knows this. Even when he was very effectively contained by the Welsh defence in the All Blacks VS Wales match last year, the turnover rate was 2-1 in favour of the All Blacks, with McCaw being responsible for most cases of ball thievery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore Holly Fan
    CANADA 3 WALES 60



    I know Usa or Canada are not really teams you can boast about wining against. but we have got such a young squad out there. 11 players missing with the lions and still we are thrashing teams.

    With the under 21 wining the grandslam in very convincing style and the average age of our current crop of seniors I really think we have a very bright future ahead of us. I also think this yearís grandslam is just the iceberg. And we are going to get a hell of a lot better.

    I think as the talent stands Wales have the brigest future of the big countries. Especially as they are working as a team already who can bett France, England and Ireland and defently claim they are going to get better.

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    Rugby is all Wales cares about

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldanielfire
    I think as the talent stands Wales have the brigest future of the big countries. Especially as they are working as a team already who can bett France, England and Ireland and defently claim they are going to get better.
    Ehem. *points to avatar


    New Zealand's talent pool is more like a talent ocean.

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    I donít think New Zealand really count though as they always have a strong team. When we played New Zealand last year in that test that was just the start of the rebuilding work.

    Got to admit that was a hell of a good game fast paced rugby at its best. I just canít wait till we play you in November should be even better.

    I donít think the way the loins play suits the Welsh players in the squad because they are used to a much a higher pace of play. The problem with the lions is they try to play more of a power game which isnít working very well.

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