Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[QuietStorm]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
Canibus is one of the most boring rappers out there. He has absolutley no direction with his albums. His battle with LL was sick I will admit that. He got LL good, but this guy is not cut to drop albums. His shit is all the same and boring. If I wanna learn about photosynthesis I will go back to Science, this guy is boring.

Joe Budden is energetic something different, hes not the greatest just some fun music in a very shitty year in rap music.

Gangstarr the Ownerz is dropping in June also I heard. Should be a nice month for hip hop music. This year has been horrid.

Well, I feel 50 Cent is boring and I don't listen to him. It is all a matter of opinion. MiClub made me SMARTER listening to it because it makes you want to research some of the lines and the background behind them. You don't see that with too many rappers. And I don't find that boring at all. And on tracks like Cenoir Studies and Curriculum 101 it is amazing he can spit so many bars with such an amazing flow and lyrical content. You cannot deny his talent.

50 is fun for some people, commercial as hell with the beats and lyrics though. Canibus is a breath of fresh air.

And with a single out June 24th, an album July 22nd, an American tour, and rumors of him being in the Army, this really is the summer of Bis.

The argument is never going to end. Like SAT and I have said...it's all a matter of opinion and what sounds good to you.


I don't give a shit about Joe Buddens. He is annoying. But I am hyped as hell about that Gang Starr album. Skillz was a very nice single and Premo and Guru always come on point. Should be one of the best of the year if not the past few years.

[50 Cent]

A terrible year thus far for rap, one of the worst I must say. Its almost half over and we dont even have a fucking great album. I can't belive 2002 and 2001 look better then this year.

[QuietStorm]

Joe Buddens album leaked today and I have NO problem with bootlegging it.

For those interested...

01 - Intro
02 - #1
03 - Pump It Up
04 - Pusha Man
05 - U Ain't Gotta Go Home
06 - Walk With Me
07 - She Wanna Know (feat. Lil' Mo)
08 - Survivor
09 - Fire (feat. Busta Rhymes)
10 - Ma Ma Ma (feat. 112)
11 - Calm Down
12 - Focus
13 - Give Me Reason
14 - Stand Up Nucca
15 - 10 Mins
16 - Real Life In Rap
17 - Porno Star

[Suno]

I heard it's an above average album, 4/5 apparently.

[spanish announce table]

Gangstarr, Outkast, and Canibus.......what a summer this will be

[Suno]

Gangstarr Outkast and hopefully Crooked I, thats the shit.

[Webbicho]

Yeh some of the songs are pretty chatty, and "make your peace" is the exact same lyrics as "heaven" from the fix.

Theres a nice track with Devin the dude that I heard... "only a mother" And on my grind is good, but not great, and obviously bitch nigga is on there and that not that great either. <- He isn't specific enough.

AAAAAAAnd its rapalot.

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
Gangstarr, Outkast, and Canibus.......what a summer this will be

Canibus is wack.

Gangstarr should be great, hopefully Crooked I will drop a album, the west is dying they need someone to step up.

Jay-Z's Black Album should be great also, maybe he finally drop his classic album. I hear he wants Premo to do the Intro and track #1 on this album. No Timbaland, Neptunes, and Trackmasters should make this a awesome album.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm considering actually buying a Canibus album, just to make sure I know I don't like him.

Name some of his better stuff QuietStorm - I'll either download it or buy it

[Flow]

The Curriculum
2000 B.C
Can-I-Bus

[QuietStorm]

On page 14 I have a list of good Canibus tracks IMO.

If you ever want to hit me up on AOL IM sometime (UMDeepTerp), I could probably hook you up with a few good tracks if you want.

[spanish announce table]

Do we have to go over this Canibus argument again? A 50cent fan calling bis wack? Do I even need to argue that?

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
Do we have to go over this Canibus argument again? A 50cent fan calling bis wack? Do I even need to argue that?

Sorry but 50's music is enjoyable is not boredom at its finest. I listen to other lyrical rappers like Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Common who actually know how to make entertaining songs.

[Seanny One Ball]

I downloaded "last laugh", now that is a fine song

I downloaded a couple of others and it convinced me to get a couple of his albums for pretty cheap from Amazon.co.uk

Always looking to expand the collection

I ordered The Curriculum and 200B.C btw, I saw CTHS and avoided it

[Brennino]

Download "Beasts From The East". Thats Cannibus at his best.

Just heard a new diss track by Crooked I on Snoop Dogg and kinda spits on 50 too. Its over the Ignition remix beat and Crooked flows pretty well over it. Nice diss track.

Also heard a new Daz diss track on Kurupt and Suge. Kinda fucked up the Doggpound beefin now. Its over "In Da Club" beat... some good lyrics but as we all know, beat is way to overplayed.

[Brennino]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
what's fatal's beef with 50? this is just getting stupid. no one cares anymore

He said that he used to be Ja's homeboy and they used to chill from time to time when Ja went to his hood. He thought Eminem and 50 Cent flowing over the Hail Mary beat was really disrespectful to Tupac.

He went on to basically say how desrespectful and hypocritical it was of 50 to call Ja a Pac clone while flowing over the Hail Mary beat and stealing the lyrics, lines and flow of Pac and also the chorus of Pac's "Against All Odds".

Then he made the motherfucker of all comments along the lines of if Pac was still alive Ja Rule is the type of cat he'd roll with. Someone recieved a Murder INC backhander.

[spanish announce table]

thanks for posting that Brennino. Why do people keep saying pac would hang with them? It's just stupid

[Brennino]

The reason being if enough people happen to believe the bullshit that Pac would hang with them, then they would appear to have taken his mantle of being the "realest" mutha fucka in rap.

Also, sales generation, etc etc.

[Brennino]

Just another note... this Crooked I diss is immense. He so needs to fuckin drop already.

Out of personal interest... how many of you cats have read "Got Your Back"? The auto biography from Tupac's bodyguard Frank Alexander. I read it for the first time last week. Hella good read.

[Suno]

Originally posted by Brennino

Just heard a new diss track by Crooked I on Snoop Dogg and kinda spits on 50 too. Its over the Ignition remix beat and Crooked flows pretty well over it. Nice diss track.

It's from the Dysfuntional Family mixtape/promo, its hella short, about 6 tracks, but they all show why Crooked I is creating a nice buzz for himself, I can sort you out the links to the rest of tracks from it if you like.

[Brennino]

Sure thing.

[50 Cent]

2pac is the goat

[Brennino]

Thank you for that.

Although he is my favourite rapper, Tupac is not the greatest of all time.

Try Rakim.

[Seanny One Ball]

I disagree, LL Cool J is the G.O.A.T

[Suno]

I got De La Souls greatest hits, plus a bonus disk today. Paid 13 quid for 27 songs, cant go wrong.

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by Brennino
Thank you for that.

Although he is my favourite rapper, Tupac is not the greatest of all time.

Try Rakim.

Naw man Pac is the greatest, most influential, he dropped 2 argubally 3 classic albums back to back to back. He never fell off. Pac is the greatest emcee of all time, if you mix everything into one he is the best. Not the greatest lyrsict but there are lots of other factors that make a great Mc.

[QuietStorm]

Greatest rapper ever is obviously Ja Rule. I mean...all the facts are there. He is gangsta.

Well...he did rip 50/Shady/Aftermath at least.

[Brennino]

He did rip 50 yeah. I think Eminem showed when he wants he could easily rip Ja a few hundred assholes and Dre didn't even want any of the beef. As he said, he's old and just wants to make money.

I'm a hornet and I'm only gonna move when I'm cornered.

[Seanny One Ball]

I listened to 50 Cent being interviewed about his beef with Ja Rule. It made me want to slap his face.

Something's going wrong when Ja Rule comes off as a better rapper than you.

[Brennino]

I don't know. Yes, too much of Ja is nothing but a bad thing. But when dude actually does decide to flow and not break up his songs with crooning, he can rhyme.

I am not about to jump on the bandwagon, that I knew would come when 50 blew up, of hating him ever since his album blew the fuck up. But... for the most part Ja Rule did eat his ass during this beef. But to say Rule beat the whole Aftermath camp is wrong, I think. Eminem's songs were superior.

The only good thing to come out of the beef, was Murder Inc aligning with Tha Row, which meant that I got to hear more Crooked I.

[Seanny One Ball]

I don't hate 50 Cent, I really like his album and his pre-shady records stuff was good too. I just don't like his diss tracks and the fact that he hasn't yet proven how good he is at freestyling or rhyming properly.

I've never been a fan of Ja Rule either, but he seriously tore 50 up on a couple of tapes. He had a nice diss on Eminem too involving Kim and how Hailey will turn out when she's older too.



The track 50 and Em did about Ja not riding with Tupac was shit though, that was pretty ironic too seeing as how Pac probably wouldn't have been riding with them either.

[Brennino]

The Eminem verse on Bang Heads outdid anything Ja Rule had to say really. The Hail Mary diss wan't that great, but I have to admit Eminem flowed really well over it and Busta silenced Ja within his verse, also.

The 50 Cent comment wasn't directed towards yourself. I've just realised the current trend of many hip-hop fans suddenly saying how much they hate him.

In reality, its funny. Most of the people will be the same to boost Canibus at the drop of a hat when he was the dude that was in exactly the same position as 50 Cent a few years ago. The underground king all ready to drop a dope fuckin album... only Canibus fucked up and 50 delivered.

[Harry]

Ja Rule's disses have been better than 50's, but his recent pop past destroyed any chance of him being considered the better of the two on the streets...same as Nelly killed KRS, but wasn't really recognised. 50 Cent will always come off better against Ja Rule anyway because while Ja Rule has, IMO, ripped 50 so far, Eminem has torn Ja Rule apart on the same stuff. If that makes sense?

[QuietStorm]

"they claim i rap the rhythm and blues, but when i turn on the radio, i see yall niggaz rappin it too"

EXACTLY. You gotta admit that Ja served them with that line.

[Harry]

Not especially...50 Cent has one R&B song out (21 Questions), that's all. The rest of his album is pure hip-hop. Not GOOD pure hip-hop, but it's not R&B. Ja Rule's last 2 albums have been R&B, and he's making his living out of R&B tracks.

That's how I see it, but I maintain that as far as the 50/Ja feud goes, Ja is taking 50.

[Brennino]

The Hail Mary diss was the fact that really showed me 50 doesn't really have what it requires to beat Ja. The whole verse had Pac puking his guts up.

[Harry]

Eminem saved him though.

50 sounds drunk when he's rapping. And not cool drunk like ODB, just knobhead drunk like you could find in any pub in Britain on a Sunday afternoon.

[Brennino]

To be honest, 50 is just above Ma$e and Fabolous when it comes to rapping voice and flow. Barely above them.

[Harry]

He sounds similar to Mase. Never thought of that before now.

Fabolous sucks, that new song with Mr. Cheeks blows goats.

Good old Dizzee Rascal eh?

[Brennino]

Shite Rascal.

[Harry]

Ne-gro PLEASE.

[Suno]

Bullshit, I wont tolerate this Ma$e hate, Ma$e was nice as fuck.

[Harry]

Each to his own. Even if his own is a no-flow, gay-voiced, R&B flavoured priest.

[Flow]

Originally posted by Brennino
The Hail Mary diss was the fact that really showed me 50 doesn't really have what it requires to beat Ja. The whole verse had Pac puking his guts up.

50 bites Jigga on "Hail Mary", that's my favourite bit of his verse

[spanish announce table]

50 claims he's going to put the wack dudes out of business, but what is he doing? Biting Ja's whole singing style (despite dissing it) and jacking the whole "Put it on me" video concept for "21 Questions".

He makes fun of Ja for copying 2pac, but he does this ON A TRACK WITH TUPAC. Both these guys disgust me

Man, hip hop is going straight down the shitter. Will someone leak Outkast so it can be pushed up?

[Brennino]

Originally posted by Flow
50 bites Jigga on "Hail Mary", that's my favourite bit of his verse

The majority of the song is 50 biting the exact lyrics from the original Hail Mary and using exactly the same delievery. He then goes on to bite the chorus from Against All Odds.

[Webbicho]

Ma$e is better than 50, and so is Fabolous.



Really.

[Seanny One Ball]

Fabolous is such a fuckin loser, the few songs I've heard have hardly echoed in my ears. To me he is Silkk the Shocker to 50 Cent's Mystikal.

And while I'm on the subject of Mystikal, has he been doing much recently? He had Tarantula out a while back but I didn't bother to get it for some reason. I'll probably get it, but I'm interested to see what the big man has been up to.

Now he, is a great rapper

[Brennino]

He was on rape charges last I heard.

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh for fuck's sake, what a fucking joke.

Mystikal aint no rapist.

His raps were stupidly fast sometimes, he needs to release more stuff. Not waste time raping folks.

[Brennino]

Yo Suno... whats the name of the Crooked I diss track over the Ignition remix beat? Tried downloading, but can't find it.

[Harry]

Mystikal is shite.

[Seanny One Ball]

Originally posted by Brennino
Yo Suno... whats the name of the Crooked I diss track over the Ignition remix beat? Tried downloading, but can't find it.

Me too, same problem.

Harry: You're speaking nonsense

[Suno]

It's called Quit Snitchin, the links for that mixtape dont work anymore either, if you're ever online hit me up and I can send them to you.

[Harry]

Originally posted by Seanny One Ball
Me too, same problem.

Harry: You're speaking nonsense

No I'm not. Mystikal is shite. Can't rap for shit, rhymes about tired subjects (SHAKE YA ASS? No thanks.) and generally relies on the beats.

[Seanny One Ball]

Mystikal has a flow best described as phenomenal. He now only flows fast and solidly, his rhymes are about a lot more than a womans arse.

You gotta listen to "Lets Get Ready" - quality album.

[QuietStorm]

Mystikal is horrible. Rapping James Brown my ass.

Plus he was a No Limit Soldier.

[Suno]

Shut the fuck up Quiet Storm, Mystikal has more charisma in his pube than mono-bis, Undpredictable is an all right album, I dont like beats by the pound though, but Lets Get Ready was pretty diverse and intresting, HB2k3 is just being 'ignant' when he says he just raps about 'tired subjects', thats BULL!

[QuietStorm]

Shut the fuck up Britain. Your opinion isn't needed.

[QuietStorm]

The new Canibus album cover for his single.

[Prince XL]

Originally posted by QuietStorm
The new Canibus album cover for his single

[Suno]

AHAHAHAHAAH, what the fuck does canibis no about falling off? he was never 'on', sheesh.

[QuietStorm]

Whoops, not album...how did that word get in there?

[Brennino]

I thought the title to Canibus' new album was going to be "Somebody please wise up and think this is good."

[Suno]

Originally posted by Brennino
I thought the title to Canibus' new album was going to be "Somebody please wise up and think this is good."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


!!!!!!

[Brennino]

You there... Suno.

AIM?

MSN?

[QuietStorm]

More like "Somebody wise up and not let real intelligence go over your head"

Keep listening to your Joey Buttcrack and other unoriginal mainstream acts though. Fine with me.

Ah well, at least we agree that Crooked I is the next big thing, right Suno?

[Suno]

Im on MSN

[Suno]

You cant deny Crooked I!!!

[Brennino]

Um, you don't have to exclusively listen to commercial rap to realise Canibus is an over rated chump.

[Webbicho]

Shut up about Canibis. Make a Canibis disscussion thread, and fight about it there.

[QuietStorm]

Hey, I had no intention of bringing the Canibus discussion back right now but Suno just had to call him "Mono-bis".

It is obviously the only ammo you people have against me so you are going to use it tirelessly to no end. Nothing you say is ever going to change my opinion so whatever. I enjoy talking about him and defending him and I DID make a thread for him, but we don't need to talk about him...although this is going to be the summer of Bis you know.

[Suno]

LOL, It's all good Quiestorm, I respect your opinion, I just dont like Canibis...

[Seanny One Ball]

Canibus battle raps better than anyone I've heard so far

One trick pony though.

[spanish announce table]

^ One trick pony? His subject matter, even more so now, is expanding

Mystikal is charismatic and probably has good lyrics (if I could understand them) I'm just not a fan of him. I'm not feeling most Souther rappers, except for Kast and the Dungeon Family, some Trick Daddy and Dead Prez. Guys like Lil Flip and 3-6 Mafia are boring to me. I know theres some three6 fans here, but this is just my opinion. (can you recommend some good rappers from the south?)

Just saw the Gangstarr/Kiss "right where you stand" video. It's cool, but the explosion at the end is kinda corny

[Kris P. Lettus]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
(can you recommend some good rappers from the south?)

-UGK
-Eightball & MJG
-David Banner
-Haystack
-Ghetto Boys

[Suno]

UGK fucking own!

[spanish announce table]

I forgot to mention Scarface. Im not feeling David Banner's new single at all. I havent heard much of UGK

Nas got booed at Summer Jam? 50 brought out his son wearing a bulletproof vest?

[EL-ASSO-WIPO]

Originally posted by Suno
AHAHAHAHAAH, what the fuck does canibis no about falling off? he was never 'on', sheesh.

HAHAHAHAHA. So fuckin true.

Quiet Storm is prolly Cannibus nephew or something. His love for him is frightening.

[Seanny One Ball]

Originally posted by EL-ASSO-WIPO
His love for him is frightening.

To be fair, I'm sure everyone that enjoys music has a particular artist that they'd defend through the depths of boredom and absurity.

QuietStorm likes Canibus and he defends him quite well most of the time, at least he's consistent

[Suno]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
I forgot to mention Scarface. Im not feeling David Banner's new single at all. I havent heard much of UGK

Nas got booed at Summer Jam? 50 brought out his son wearing a bulletproof vest?

Nas got booed because he boycotted the last Summer Jam apparently.

How can you not like Banners new single, it's crunk!

[Suno]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
I havent heard much of UGK

Check Out these:

Pocket Full Of Stones
Diamonds and Wood
Wood Wheel
Top notch Ho's
Aint That a Bitch feat. Devin The Dude
Choppin Blades

Off the top......

[Kris P. Lettus]

Originally posted by Suno
Check Out these:

Pocket Full Of Stones
Diamonds and Wood
Wood Wheel
Top notch Ho's
Aint That a Bitch feat. Devin The Dude
Choppin Blades

Off the top......

Murder is their bestest song eva!!!1!!

[QuietStorm]

I am sure you have heard Big Pimpin. They were on that as well.

[Prince XL]

Judging people based on one guest appearance. Thats really insightful man!

[QuietStorm]

I have heard them on a lot more than that and I like them somewhat. I am just saying that I am sure he has heard them on that. I like UGK more than most Southern stuff.

Has anyone heard of Dirty from Alabama? Krispy probably has. I loved their first album. A lot of you have probably at least heard Hit Da Floe and Rollin Vogues off of that. Awesome songs. Their last album didn't really do much for me but there are a few good cuts on there. Check them out!

[spanish announce table]

Didnt Dirty get a higher mic rating than Mic Club? Did they ever make another video for the to-be-continued thriller that was "Hit Da Flo"?

I was listening to my Nature "For All Seasons" tape today. This guys is really underrated

[Suno]

Nas fucked em all over, mother fucker, you know who too fucking underrated and gets no where near enough props? CORMEGA!! I fucking love him, two immense albums, cant weight for his shit with Ayatollah to drop, sickness!!!

[spanish announce table]

Nature fucked up Nas on "Nas is Not". Corey is sick. Cant wait for 'Urban Legend'

[Suno]

Yeah, he pulled off the Jackin for beats concept immensly, he's hella nice, it would be nice if the whole original firm could actually make records together.

[Webbicho]

Originally posted by Suno
Nas got booed because he boycotted the last Summer Jam apparently.

How can you not like Banners new single, it's crunk!

Na he was cheered as he came out, but when he played ether he got a mixed reaction.

When he brought KRS out they all went psycho again.

Nelly got total boos.

[spanish announce table]

Just imagine if Cormega, Nature, AZ and Nas were still making records together. No one cares about the Bravehearts

[Suno]

Originally posted by spanish announce table
Just imagine if Cormega, Nature, AZ and Nas were still making records together. No one cares about the Bravehearts

I said that like two posts up, bravehearts fucking suck.

[spanish announce table]

Especially Jungle

[QuietStorm]

Another very underrated MC is Aesop Rock.

If there was a rapper I would recommend to someone who hates on all rap music to no end, it just might be him.

[Brennino]

Here is a shock.

"Oh My God" by Rakim got pushed back... again.

Boooooooring.

[Prince XL]

How many times is that now?

[Brennino]

More than enough.

[strange famous]

Originally posted by Brennino
Here is a shock.

"Oh My God" by Rakim got pushed back... again.

Boooooooring.

dre must really be screwing this up for it to be delayed this much.

sin six

sin six: this is going to suck

[jesus sucks]

What whas the fucking point of him even signing Rakim? It was just coming up 3 years ago and still no album.