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    Love that podcast, I mainly listen to the comedy guests though - need to give the Premo one a listen for sure. The newest one with Patrice Evra is good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    What sort of 90s shit did you like which artists?

    Some possible shouts for you

    Freddie gibbs and madlib - piŮata
    Czarface and doom - Czarface meets metal face
    Sour soul by ghost face and badbadnotgood
    Vince staples - fm
    Lil b - Black Ken (massive 90s vibe in it)
    Run the jewels by run the jewels
    Jid - dicaprio2
    Ybn cordae - the lost boy
    Saba - care for me


    That should cover a lot of different vibes and styles but shout on thoughts
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    Not sure if you got near any of the recommendations but here's some freddie gibbs on youtube. This will give you a taste like. His other stuff is a bit 'harder' but the fucking madlib sound is insane when it's on. Jesus christ
    Chris did you refind your love of Hip Hop? Thinking you're probably amongst the biggest demographic on these forums which is people who don't like much current hip hop so tempted to do a thread of posting my faves to introduce them to people on the fringe

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    Would definitely be interested in that.

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    I’m not listening to the currently airing livestream of the long awaited Jay Electronica album but I’m very excited to listen at some point this weekend. It’s really happening. And I’m seeing positive responses so far.

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    I really like the Jay Elec album. Making it a full collaboration album with Jay-Z was unexpected and delightful.

    The new Jadakiss album is also very good.

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    https://donaldgloverpresents.com/

    Donald Glover just dropped an album out of nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    https://donaldgloverpresents.com/

    Donald Glover just dropped an album out of nowhere.
    I know this was taken down already and I don't have a ripped version but I did casually listen on the website when it was up. and I liked the overly aggressive Camp-era Bino better than this new smooth singing version.

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    Jay electronica album is big

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    Jay electronica album is big
    I can’t believe he actually put it out after 10 years since he signed with the roc lol

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    Now that I've given this Childish Gambino album a proper listen, it's quite good.

    The new Weeknd album is next up in the queue

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    Bino album is even better I can sit and cruise it when I want. What a fucking progression he's shown. This is Kuai mixed with Awaken mixed with a bit of Camp. Love it

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    Weeknd's new one is great. Easily his most interesting release since House of Balloons (and I've actually enjoyed a lot of his stuff since).

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    I'm not sure if you guys are up on the Instagram producer battles going on since quarantine but they just announced RZA vs DJ Premier on saturday night. I'm game for that. Basically they just do a shared IG Live and go back and forth playing their best beats/tracks. I caught some of the Scott Storch vs Mannie Fresh one and it was kinda cool. What makes it fun is reading the fan's reactions, whether in the IG comments or on a message board like KTT2. Storch cooked him btw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I'm not sure if you guys are up on the Instagram producer battles going on since quarantine but they just announced RZA vs DJ Premier on saturday night. I'm game for that. Basically they just do a shared IG Live and go back and forth playing their best beats/tracks. I caught some of the Scott Storch vs Mannie Fresh one and it was kinda cool. What makes it fun is reading the fan's reactions, whether in the IG comments or on a message board like KTT2. Storch cooked him btw.

    Yooo, that sounds fucking dope. I'm gonna have to try and peep that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Yooo, that sounds fucking dope. I'm gonna have to try and peep that.
    and so as a leadup to saturday night's IG battle, let me pose the question to you guys: who is the greater producer, RZA or DJ Premier?

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    Shit, that's rough. I mean, I think both have done a lot to transform how hip-hop production sounds and is approached. I want to say RZA had more going for him in the early days, but I think as the days went by, he kind of went the Kanye route of letting creativity override his sense for what just makes a good beat. His Bobby Digital series is a very mixed bag of "I fucking love this shit" to "Ehhhhh." That said, I feel like Premier was the first to really start playing around with how a sample can be transformed. One of my favorite examples:

    Gang Starr's "Above the Clouds":


    and the sample:

    https://youtu.be/o3diaLANTOQ?t=6

    Unfortunately can't post two videos anymore, but this should be linked to the exact spot where the sample from(about 6 seconds in). I feel like it's flipped so much, and while RZA started dabbling in this kind of sample flipping during the mid to late 90s, I feel like Premier did it better and longer.

    Ultimately, RZA's strength is being able to mix both sampled work with synthesized music, and I think if you took RZA's best example of that vs. Premier's best beat, RZA would technically win. But while Premier may have stopped pushing the bar as much in later years, his output remains consistently good, whereas RZA has fallen off in my opinion.

    I think I'd just barely give it to Premier, but I'm also biased and have always been a big fan of his production style and Gang Starr as a whole.

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    I go RZA but that's just personal preference. Premo's production is tighter and more polished. If you just play the instrumentals I can't really make an argument against Premo having the higher highs. RZA has the stronger and more diverse catalog/resume overall though, in my opinion, and that's due in large part to the group of rappers he miraculously brought together in a fashion never again matched in hip hop history. So you look at those 8 or 9 projects that RZA produced the majority of, and compare that to Gang Starr/PRhyme's discography, and RZA's are easily the superior and more memorable projects. Now of course Premo has better guest production spots on guys like Jay-Z, Nas, The Lox etc. That's where he will do well in this battle.

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    To be honest, I've probably clocked more hours on Wu-Tang content than I have Gang Starr and Preemo, even though I'd probably consider them my favorite hip-hop act. But yeah, I think the variety of voices and album outputs helps RZA's style pop a bit more. You can see how he molds well with different MCs while remaining characteristically RZA, whereas Preemo has a distinct style that people have to mold around.

    But I feel like you could probably ask me this question in a month and my answer would be different.

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    https://instagram.com/djpremier?igshid=l60j4rqigq8f

    I’m not sure if you can watch it on anything but the Instagram app on mobile

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    RZA's setup and connection is all fucked up which is kinda ruining it

    195k watching on IG live right now tho, whew

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    I wasn't able to watch this live unfortunately.

    I found a video of it on Youtube. Was it worth watching?

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    RZA's sound was shite but it was still enjoyable to watch. So many great tunes. Premo is such a lovely chap. I just had it on in the background. It was fun to hear the banter between the two and see their respective reactions to different tracks.

    Also Cudi released a new song which has a bit of an old school Cudi vibe.

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    Big fan of it. Cudi seems in a great place atrm

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    I'm 3 episodes into the Lil Dicky comedy series Dave. I like it. I'm sure his neurotic awkwardness will be too over the top for some people but it's what you'd expect if you've heard his songs. The deformed dick stuff is pretty extra but I think they made it work well in the 3rd episode.

    I really like the supporting cast of characters.

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    So obviously a lot of time last 3 weeks or so, so lot of hip hop. The stuff you guys recommended was really good. Nice one.

    Also I still am a huge Canibus fan, yes I know his music did go a bit weird in the end but DAM that first album of his was a classic. Still got the original CD.

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    Canibus will always be super cool to me. I've seen him perform live and kicked it with him multiple times. Him, Killah Priest, and M-Eighty are 3 of the most laid back rappers I've got to hang out with.

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    This is from a few months ago but I searched the thread and didnít see anything about Denzel Curry. You guys up on him? Iím not but this is dope and Iím gonna have to go through his discography.


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    Denzel Curry is the shit. He is featured on some pretty dope songs with the $uicideboy$ and City Morgue.

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    He's ridiculously good. He was doing a battle rap tour there and is pretty into wrestling too.

    Very good dude. Ta13oo is great

    Kenny Beats Youtube Series the cave is also definitely worth a watch. Some great guests like Vince Staples

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    New Isaiah Rashad is amazing

    - - - Updated - - -

    Only a song sorry not an album. The world will end if he releases same year as Jay Electronica haha

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    Dave. What a fuckin season. Feels like lil dickys whole career was leading to this (he always wanted to be a comedian and rapping was just a route to get there) and he delivered majorly.

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    RTJ4 dropping next month.

    Got the pre-order in for a nice t shirt with the CD. Download will be free as per usual

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    What are the best hip hop television performances of all time? Kinda just asking this question as an excuse to post this one which seems timely


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    also kanye's performances of 'power' and 'runaway' on snl were amazing, too, but for some reason dont seem to be available on youtube in any kind of good quality. he was on absolute fire in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    also kanye's performances of 'power' and 'runaway' on snl were amazing, too, but for some reason dont seem to be available on youtube in any kind of good quality. he was on absolute fire in 2010.
    Good shout, and yea I was about to say.... His performance of Runaway on SNL was even better than the VMAs performance. The VMAs one came first but that SNL one.. sheesh. So incredible. And you're right it's not readily available online which is frustrating. It should have 100 million views on youtube. Reddit has it here. If Wikipedia is to be believed, it was the first time SNL ever let an artist do a completely white background like that instead of the normal stage look. (The Power performance is also great but Runaway is the one I'll never forget). I know SNL has done more visual art performance type stuff like that since then, but I remember how different it looked at the time. And that's why I love Kanye. His performances on SNL or his recent live tours, he truly makes them into performance art. He is one of the great live hip hop performers of all time which people don't give him enough credit for. In a genre that traditionally doesn't have the best live experience, he puts on insane performances.

    The Kendrick one you posted is good but far from iconic to me personally. Kendrick tries. The set production there is very elaborate and cool. While I adore his albums, based on my one experience seeing him live at the Damn Tour and his television performances, I think his stage presence is one of his weakest traits.

    My other personal favorite is Eminem at the VMAs doing Real Slim Shady and The Way I Am. This was so iconic to me, being of the right age for the TRL era and being a huge Em fan. He had just reached the pinnacle of music popularity at this time. This was a crowning performance IMO. I don't care if the Shady clones thing looks corny now, this was IT. At least for my teenage ass. Put that white tank top in damn the rock n roll HOF.

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    Speaking of that era and that same album, Em had another very iconic performance. This one, I'll be honest, it doesn't stick in my mind the way the above video does. I'm not sure if I was even watching this one live, but the Elton cameo was certainly a huge story given the controversy around Marshall.

    February 21, 2001. GLAAD leads a coalition to protest Eminem's homophobic lyrics at "The Rally Against Hate" outside The Grammy Awards at The Staples Center in Los Angeles. Later that night, Eminem performs "Stan" with Elton John and shocks the world.



    Coincidentally, the 20th year anniversary of MMLP just passed earlier this week. A monumental album, and these two performances I just posted only helped solidify it as an undeniable part of American music culture/history.
    Last edited by Fro; May 31st, 2020 at 10:22 PM.

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    I know this doesn't count as it's not a TV appearance, it's just a recording off someone's phone, but FUCK it is such an exhilarating video to watch, even with the terrible audio quality and unsteady camera. The crowd reaction when he comes out and the way they follow the verse is something else.


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