And that’s us out of the Copa.
And that’s us out of the Copa.
We were out as soon as we lost to Panama and had to get a result against Uruguay. sigh
We should have made it to the knock out stages with that group.
I've never been a full bore diehard Gregg-out kinda fan. Always thought he left meat on the bone in different areas kinda continuously throughout his tenure, but he steered the ship back from the Couva nightmare through the '22 World Cup, including a Gold Cup and 3 Nations League titles. 2018-2022 was it's own sort of measured success and Berhalter should be credited with that. But that should just be that.
It's just time to move on now. The fans are having a full blown revolt/meltdown over the manager. The optics of the performance at Copa was essentially disastrous. I'm not one to blame the manager for a player losing his cool, getting a straight red, and basically costing the team 3 absolutely vital points, but it kinda doesn't even matter at this point versus the result. And again, the result was a disaster.
We need a new voice, a new vision, and a new guidance. We leveled up from the tragic end of 2017 and are on the cusp of what could (and should) be the most meaningful era in the sport in this country heading into 2026. This can't be left to just being good enough. It needs to be a home run. This roster and this program needs a swift and direct kick in it's ass. And Gregg ain't that guy.
Canada made it through to the elimination round while both Mexico and the US did not? Spicy…
Canada made it through the group, and it can certainly be argued that that's all that matters at this stage and I wouldn't fault you for feeling that way.
But if you're being honest, you scored 1 goal in 3 group stage matches while having a man-advantage for over a full 90 minutes of play between 2 of them.
You can rightly shit all over the US's performance, they deserve it. But let's not act like Canada have done anything at this tournament other than keep it's mouth and nose barely above water.
That's where I'm at as well.Originally Posted by Percussion
If this was the first time we'd lost composure when someone got chippy with us.....
The question is can Berhalter get us to play with more discipline? Not sure there's much evidence he can at this point.
On a side note, had a friend text me from the game yesterday asking if the officiating was as bad on tv as it looked at the stadium. Ah...Copa......
Yeah I have been fan of Berhalter but not a die hard. But I think it is time to move on. We should have made it out of the group. We need a change before the next Cup.
The Canadians are staking their claim for North American supremacy.
Meanwhile all we can hope is that US Soccer finds the money to go big for their next hire.
Reports they reached out to Klopp but nothing is moving forward there. Lets see who they can land.
And yeah Canada has been the better CONACAF team in recent years.
I think that's debatable at best. They've got all of 2 wins against us going back as far as you'd like to make that point, when we've beat them repeatedly.
We've also taken multiple confederation trophies to their whopping none.
Their big claim to fame is topping the group in WCQ, which is essentially meaningless, and eking their way to a Copa semi-final while we unceremoniously shit the bed.
In recent years they topped WCQ which yes I know is not a big deal to some but still something. They faired better than us in Copa. We did beat them in the Nations League final last year. And they do have confederation trophies but most recent was 2000. Either way yes overall us and Mexico are the top teams but Canada has been doing well recently even if they lose to us along the way.
I'm not gonna do a side by side list of accomplishments for both teams because I don't feel like it and I doubt you really want to slog through reading it. Suffice to say it's lopsided.
Canada have certainly risen their program over the years from complete obscurity and kudos to them, they're still looking up in concacaf though.
But that's also like arguing over who did better in the special olympics. Both squads still have a ton of work to establish themselves as a worldwide threat, and that should be the real goal.
Happy for Argentina as I have a lot of annoying Colombian neighbors and their sadness brings me joy
I know this is the US thread, but typically the most active.
I was thinking of trying a fantasy league for the premiere league this year. Any of you done that? Potentially interested?
I’m down.
Canada's men's and women's soccer teams have relied on drones and spying for years, sources say
Not a good look here, eh..
Yeah I saw that the women's team coaches were doing that and got sent home. Crazy.
It's not just the women's team at the Olympics.
The Canadian soccer CEO said himself they used drones to do the same at the Copa and several other past events, both men's and women's.
Oh, Canada..
Maybe they had Bielsa as a consultant.
For fuck’s sake…
I've never trusted Canadian soccer.
looks like Mauricio Pochettino is the next USMNT coach.
The Poch Era sounds genuinely exciting. I had my doubts they'd swing as big as this.
I think it's pretty much the best realistic move they can make. I'm for it
Me too.
Right.. Klopp was never gonna walk through that door. And then there were whispers of Southgate and that made me queezy.
This is about as hopeful and energizing yet pragmatic as any of us could've hoped for.
Next camp in less than a month.
Tip of the cap to Canada on this one. They played direct on every duel and showed us up particularly in the midfield in that department.
Looking forward to running it back with a full A squad in a real competition after Poch gets ahold of this bunch.
Dammit. National team is playing Nations League quarterfinal here in Nov and I am tapped out because need to make sure I have money for other things coming up that I want to do. *grumble*
St Louis named a new coach. I think they still fired our first coach too fast after the bad start of the season. I think expectations were too high after such a great regular season our first year.
I will say that maybe they do need to tweak playoffs again. We were the top seed in our conference and last our first year. This year Miami is supporter's shield and lose right out of the gate. I am not against just doing a table like most league but probably not on the table for us here in North America. We love our playoffs and what not plus that brings in money as well.
Considering there are real talks about changing to a fall schedule I'd think most things are on the 'table'..
(pun entirely intended)
I think die hard soccer fans would be on board for just doing a table each season. More casual fans maybe not so much. But also again money brought in from those playoff games might play a factor.
I agree about the money, and I don't think there's much getting around that part of it. But I also think logistically one of the bigger reasons we have sports in the states that have divisions and conferences and eventually playoffs of those is that this is just too big a country geographically to have an even table for all teams. You can't really ask a Seattle or a Miami or a New York to play clear across the country half their schedule when teams in the midwest wouldn't be demanded near that kind of travel.
Not a big deal to have one table of teams playing all identical schedules when a third of your league all play in the same city and your entire country is smaller than Michigan.
Very good points about the travel.
St Louis legend Pat McBride past away.
I understand how teams are frustrated when they lose after being at the top of the table. I also remember in College Football, before playoffs, teams would get upset that one bad injury early in the year or during a game would take a team out of the running. Objectively a table is often more fair, but not like any tournament is fair.
Its a logistical, financial, and cultural thing here.
Now MLS teams will participate in at least one but no more than two North American Cup competitions.
US Open Cup gets 16 teams double from last year which is nice but it is the leftovers. Leagues Cup reduced to 18 MLS teams instead of everyone and it is the top 9 teams from each conference from last year. Then you have the Concacaf Champions Cup which is the top teams in the regions. So basically if you are doing that and leagues cup you are out of US Open Cup that just gets leftovers for the most part. Some of the Leagues Cup teams will be playing US Open Cup but probably the lower end of the teams from last season that qualified for Leagues Cup.
To be honest I wish they would just scrap the Leagues Cup and just have the US Open Cup and Canadian Championship and the Concacaf Champions Cup and for the upcoming year two teams in the Club World Cup
MLS starts this week. Lets see if St. Louis can bounce back from last season.
USL is going to start a new division 1 league and have 3 leagues and do promotion and relegation. So their top league will rival MLS which is division 1. Wonder how that will play out.
The St. Louis indoor team just started an outdoor team which will be in the lowest USL league I think.
I think the US should take the que from the European football model and set up varying leagues of the same sport to do promotion and relegation. it would add to the entertainment value.
Not sure what the easiest sport to do it in would be. Maybe college football. Drop all conferences and have the top 30-40 in the A league, next 40 in the B league and so on. You get top 3 in your league, you move up, bottom 3 move down. Only people in A league can go for the natty.
I am on board with a promotion and relegation system in whatever sport. It would be fun to watch what happens.
Agreed. We just have many sports set up in a manner that would really support that type of system.
Not to mention, some small market teams in say AAA baseball getting called up to the majors, not likely enough infrastructure in place to support.
Would really need a ground up approach to the leagues. Why i was thinking college football 1st, since its already got some division between FBS and whatever.
MLS is the top soccer league here, but I know we have multiple other regional leagues all under USL or some division of it. It would be nice if we could get it all under 1 umbrella to be able to promote/relegate.
Little late but Captain Canada re-ups with Bayern rather than jumping to another squad.
A massive calendar year for the Canadian men’s national team, absolutely must hit the ground running in 2026. For the first time ever, there will be pressure on them to not only win a World Cup game but also an elimination game or two.
I agree pressure will be on Canada to have a good showing
We are about to head out to what is expected to be the coldest professional soccer game on record.
Well at least you got to see Messi score even if KC lost
true. And the ticket I spent 80 on would have normally gone for several times that. Honestly, KC has a lot of new blood and I was Ok with what I saw from them. It was a tough night for chemistry offensively, but obviously the conditions played a factor. Defense looks a little better this year, and I can't overly fault for the goal. Messi being Messi.
Second time catching a Messi goal in person.
Anyone want to do fantasy MLS. I will set up a league if so. If not I will just find a league to play in.
Im in. I can probably get a non rajah guy in, if we need another
https://fantasy.mlssoccer.com/#class.../join/WKKRCXAK
I just set it to open so we don't have to worry about having an even number of teams for head to head. So invite whoever. I will probably share to get some more if I can.
One of my friends is signing up today. He's an Austin supporter, so let's make sure he loses.
Also, the Sons of Tony Meola are here for glory.
Love the name
When are we starting?
it started with week one which over the weekend. week 2 just opened up to set rosters
Well....I did not do well on week 1 then.
You could say that. Decent start for me but work to do.
dammit. I knew I should have benched messi *grumble* I need to really figure out how to see who is not going to play each week. So far I have had like 2 or 3 players not play
Same. This is definitely going to be a learning year for me on the best fantasy strategies
The USL voted to official adopt at promotion-relegation system when they launch their division one league in 2027. That will give them 3 leagues so teams will move up and down. Should be interesting to see that plus to have a rival division one league to MLS
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