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    Originally posted by The_shad


    Yes, it was. I you. The Av's Fecking WON!!!!!!!! Take that, Fraser/Nazi/Commie/Bastard!



    Roy deserved it and now it's Av's vs. Wings!!!!! Aw, hell yea!

    And on the flipside, . You aren't a plague, you just couldn't beat my lucky streak. I predicted all 4 winners this round! WOO!

    But why all the hate towards the Av's? Just think of it as the Nordiques making Canada proud. The Nordiques rule!!

    The_shad (Nordique Mark)


    Woo for nordiques!

    Bleh. I just highly dislike the Avs and the Wings. Don't really know why, since I love both Yzerman and Sakic, but I just dislike the two teams.

    Dream match my ass

    Plus, if the Avs weren't in the same division as the 'Nucks, the 'Nucks could have clinched a spot. ehhh ehhhh ehhhhh?

    Fecking Avs.



    You have seen the light, my child.
    You do realize that I'm a plague, don't you? And since I'm cheering for the leafs, the Canes have basically just clinched a spot in the finals. Then I'll cheer for them. Which means that the fecking Avs or Wings will win.



    I hate my plague

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    Well, as long as you don't root for the Av's, I'll be happy. But, don't worry, I know people more cursed than you. Um, King Tut, um, a mummy, the Sens... o, wait, my bad. But, really, don't worry, one of your teams has to win, especially if you root for them after the won the 1st 3 games .

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    I was 1 for 4 in the predictions. I also sucked the first round. I am mis-guessing all the upsets.

    God, I hate the Avalanche. Well, not them, just Forsberg in particular. The only good thing about the next round is at least I get to see either the Wings or Avalanche get knocked out. I hope an Eastern team wins the cup. Go Canes/Leafs!

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    Wouldn't the Canes winning the cup totally kick ass? Talk about an upset. Holy shit.

    I would pay money to see the Canes sweep the Wings in the Finals

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    All the Nucks fans should cheer for Detroit...cause if Detroit beats the Avs or wins the Cup, then you could make a case for Vancouver being the second best team in the playoffs!!

    Edit: I forgot the wink smiley!
    Last edited by Rajah; May 16th, 2002 at 1:14 AM.

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    Also, Hasek is better then Roy!

    He just hasn't been lucky enough to be on a godlike team half his career like Roy. Roy is still one of the best goalies of all time, I just like Hasek better. But best of all I love Broduer, so I hope Broduer wins more games in his career one day over Roy. I am in a bitter mood tonight, heh. I really wanted San Jose to win.

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    you know I don't even want to bother writing out my analysis of the teams left standing so I'll just throw out predictions

    Avs in 7, Canes in 6

    Avs in 6

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    Originally posted by Rajah
    All the Nucks fans should cheer for Detroit...cause if Detroit beats the Avs or wins the Cup, then you could make a case for Vancouver being the second best team in the playoffs!!
    lol, Vancouver was really good at losing to eventual Stanley Cup winners in the 90's.

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    My predictions:

    Wings in six, Leafs in six.

    I won't predict the finals cause...well it would look pretty silly if the Avs and Canes win.

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    Holy shit. Nobody posts in here for awhile, then all of a sudden five posts in 2 minutes .

    Why no analysis, M-Dub?

    Hasek? How can you like Hasek, Kid_Roll? It's like...not possible.

    My fave goalie out of the teams remaining is Irbe. I just love his standup style, you don't see much of that anymore. .

    Predictions:

    Leafs in six. Wings in seven.


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    I liked Hasek back in the Buffalo days, when he gave them a chance. Back when he wasn't facing the Canucks all the massive diving wasn't so annoying for some odd reason......on a sidenote, 4 other hockey sites I went to rated Cloutier the worst goalie of the playoffs. Even Skudra beat him.

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    I think Hasek can match Roy...that's pretty much all he has to do in the upcoming series. If anything, Roy has to outplay Dom cause Detroit's offense is more balanced and better than Colorado's in my opinion. But Hasek...ehh, I don't particularly like him (I think I mentioned it before). His style is just too crazy and he employs a lot of gamesmanship tactics.

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    Can you think of a goalie who played worse than Cloutier did after that Lidstrom goal?

    I can't

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    Originally posted by Psychosport2000
    Can you think of a goalie who played worse than Cloutier did after that Lidstrom goal?

    I can't
    Yeah, true. I want Nabakov on our team. He is fast impressing me. He didn't let any of the bad games get to him like Cloutier did, and held San Jose in it as much as he could. And that Lidstrom goal....that never happened. You're crazy. The Canucks weren't in the playoffs this year.

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    Originally posted by Rajah
    My predictions:

    Wings in six, Leafs in six.

    I won't predict the finals cause...well it would look pretty silly if the Avs and Canes win.
    Risk I'm willing to take. And if the Canes and Avs win you look pretty silly anyway, just for predicting those series... es?

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    Ah, here we go...
    Originally posted by Kid_Roll

    I was 1 for 4 in the predictions. I also sucked the first round. I am mis-guessing all the upsets.

    God, I hate the Avalanche. Well, not them, just Forsberg in particular. The only good thing about the next round is at least I get to see either the Wings or Avalanche get knocked out. I hope an Eastern team wins the cup. Go Canes/Leafs!
    Why all the Forsberg hate? Am I the only personin the world that likes him? And don't worry, if you choose what I do, you'll be 2 for 2[/ego]


    Originally posted by Psychosport2000

    Wouldn't the Canes winning the cup totally kick ass? Talk about an upset. Holy shit.

    I would pay money to see the Canes sweep the Wings in the Finals
    Did you steal that from my paragraphs? Cause if you did, I'll sue.

    Originally posted by Rajah


    All the Nucks fans should cheer for Detroit...cause if Detroit beats the Avs or wins the Cup, then you could make a case for Vancouver being the second best team in the playoffs!!
    But if the Kings can beat the Wings and the Av's can beat the King's, doesn't that negate your logic?

    Originally posted by Kid_Roll


    Also, Hasek is better then Roy!

    He just hasn't been lucky enough to be on a godlike team half his career like Roy. Roy is still one of the best goalies of all time, I just like Hasek better. But best of all I love Broduer, so I hope Broduer wins more games in his career one day over Roy. I am in a bitter mood tonight, heh. I really wanted San Jose to win.
    Roy is better! Just watch the critical games and you will see. aNd if the Av's win, doesn't that prove something abotu Hasek? And they have Prosak for the bitterness.

    Originally posted by M-Dub
    you know I don't even want to bother writing out my analysis of the teams left standing so I'll just throw out predictions

    Avs in 7, Canes in 6
    Wow, thats exactly what I was thinking. Brother? So, how'd you like todays games?

    And done... being gone for 15 minutes has its consequences.

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    I just want an all Penguins final.

    Kaspar vs. Francis.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll


    Yeah, true. I want Nabakov on our team. He is fast impressing me. He didn't let any of the bad games get to him like Cloutier did, and held San Jose in it as much as he could. And that Lidstrom goal....that never happened. You're crazy. The Canucks weren't in the playoffs this year.
    Yeah, what am I talking about? It was calgary who was 8th seed this year. Yeah...Calgary lost in six games to Detroit. Yeah...

    Having Nabakov on the team would rule. Current Canucks roster + Nabakov = 1st place team next year. Ohhhh yeah..

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    If Detroit wins over the Avalanche I'll be back to gloat, don't you worry.


    Good god, I am cheering for Detroit now.

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    Originally posted by Psychosport2000
    [color=liem][font=tahoma]Why no analysis, M-Dub?
    It was getting way too in depth.

    Originally posted by Rajah
    Detroit's offense is more balanced and better than Colorado's in my opinion
    I would be quite interested to see your reasoning behind that.

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    Originally posted by Rajah
    My predictions:

    Wings in six, Leafs in six.

    I won't predict the finals cause...well it would look pretty silly if the Avs and Canes win.
    But they will, Rajah, so I'm sorry,buy you will be 0 and 2.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll
    If Detroit wins over the Avalanche I'll be back to gloat, don't you worry.


    Good god, I am cheering for Detroit now.
    *Poiints and Laughs* Yea, but whatchagonnadooooo when the Av's run wild on youuuuuuu? The trash talk has already begun, what will happen when it actually starts?

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    Risk I'm willing to take. And if the Canes and Avs win you look pretty silly anyway, just for predicting those series... es?
    Not really. Silly is picking the Stanley Cup winner minutes after the second round is over.

    Originally posted by The_shad
    But if the Kings can beat the Wings and the Av's can beat the King's, doesn't that negate your logic?
    I was talking this year, not last year. By THAT logic, anyone could dig up any win/loss years ago.

    Originally posted by M-Dub
    I would be quite interested to see your reasoning behind that.
    They actually have four lines going. Colorado has two, sometimes one. Where have the Tanguays and the Hedjuks been in the playoffs? Sakic and Forsberg have like over 1/3 of Colorado's goals.

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    Originally posted by Rajah

    They actually have four lines going. Colorado has two, sometimes one. Where have the Tanguays and the Hedjuks been in the playoffs? Sakic and Forsberg have like over 1/3 of Colorado's goals.
    Actually, I'd venture a guess that you are wrong. Foppa and Super Joe have 1/3 of all Av's goals, but anyone can score. Let me list them. Sakic, Foppa, Tanguay, Hejduk, Drury, Vrbata, Reinprecht, Blake, Yelle, Foote, de Vries, and Skoula. Some more than others, but all the talent the Av's have makes up 4 lines. And sometimes, the 4th produces most. Reinprecht is not given any credit he deserves even though if not for him, the Av's would have died twice. And, all it takes is one Roy-esque game to make it the Av's series for the taking.

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    Last edited by The_shad; May 16th, 2002 at 2:01 AM.

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    Foppa is another reason I cant stand Forsberg. What a stupid nickname.

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    Foppa is a cool nickname. You are just jealous.

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    It's easy to talk the talk about who can score, but a lot harder to walk the walk. That is all I will say. Not including tonight's game, Forsberg and Sakic had 14 goals combined while Colorado had scored like 40.

    Detroit on the other hand, gets balanced scoring from Yzerman, Fedorov, Hull, Shanahan, Holmstrom, et al. Hell, "stay at home" defenseman Jiri Fischer has as many goals as Shanny! Yzerman's line probably had a big hand in winning the opening series against Vancouver, but the second round, Stevie scaled back a little and the rest of the team stepped up.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll
    Foppa is another reason I cant stand Forsberg. What a stupid nickname.
    AMEN!

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    No.
    Cujo = cool nickname.
    Foppa = Sounds like a weird breakfast food served at Denny's

    "Would you like some Foppa's with those pancakes?"

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    Originally posted by Rajah


    AMEN!
    You edited out "yes" to put "amen"?



    Erm...anyways..where did the name "Foppa" come from? I don't get it...

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    Originally posted by Rajah
    It's easy to talk the talk about who can score, but a lot harder to walk the walk. That is all I will say. Not including tonight's game, Forsberg and Sakic had 14 goals combined while Colorado had scored like 40.

    Detroit on the other hand, gets balanced scoring from Yzerman, Fedorov, Hull, Shanahan, Holmstrom, et al. Hell, "stay at home" defenseman Jiri Fischer has as many goals as Shanny! Yzerman's line probably had a big hand in winning the opening series against Vancouver, but the second round, Stevie scaled back a little and the rest of the team stepped up.
    Maybe that is because your main guys can't step up and score when they need to at all. If one falls, how will the rest react? I know for the Av's that they get stronger. See last year.

    And Foppa's. funny? No.

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    Originally posted by Psychosport2000


    You edited out "yes" to put "amen"?



    Erm...anyways..where did the name "Foppa" come from? I don't get it...

    They called him that in Sweden or something. Maybe it means "fucker" over there. You Foppa! Hmmm, how many ways can I use the word Foppa for different reasons?

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    Originally posted by Psychosport2000


    You edited out "yes" to put "amen"?



    Erm...anyways..where did the name "Foppa" come from? I don't get it...
    Amen just sounded better. Yes...yes what?

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    Originally posted by The_shad


    Maybe that is because your main guys can't step up and score when they need to at all.
    Yeah, Yzerman can't score when he needs to. Riiight.

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    Originally posted by Rajah


    Yeah, Yzerman can't score when he needs to. Riiight.
    Well, he is getting older. And you've benn arguing with me, Roy vs. Hasek. So, if Stevie can step up, why can't Roy?

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    Originally posted by The_shad


    Well, he is getting older. And you've benn arguing with me, Roy vs. Hasek. So, if Stevie can step up, why can't Roy?

    The_shad (Caughtcha)
    Hasek and Roy both old, they cancel each other out.

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    Huh???

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll


    Hasek and Roy both old, they cancel each other out.
    That's pretty much the point I'm trying to make. No doubt Roy is good, but Hasek has the potential to match him every step of the way. Obviously if both goalies play the way they can play, they won't influence the outcome either way. So screw 'em.

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    Ew, that was bad for you. We're both gonna flame ya.

    They may be old, but they have more talent together than the whole rest of the league (except maybe for Thoedore). Hasek and Roy are quite arguably the best 2 ever, so pay your respects and worship them. Unless you wanna try blocking 30 shots a game.

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    Originally posted by The_shad
    Ew, that was bad for you. We're both gonna flame ya.

    Riiiight.

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    Originally posted by Rajah


    That's pretty much the point I'm trying to make. No doubt Roy is good, but Hasek has the potential to match him every step of the way. Obviously if both goalies play the way they can play, they won't influence the outcome either way. So screw 'em.
    If that was your point, why did you say that Hasek had better stats? Ok, I might have started making no sense, but now I'm confused, not like it is hard to confuse me.

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    Originally posted by Rajah

    They actually have four lines going. Colorado has two, sometimes one. Where have the Tanguays and the Hedjuks been in the playoffs? Sakic and Forsberg have like over 1/3 of Colorado's goals.
    Didn't Tanguay make an awesome pass to Forsberg tonight that resulted in the first score of the game?

    Yeah.

    Like you said anyone can score but the Av's have lots of guys that can do a lot more than score. Which makes them awesome.

    Oh and I like Forsberg. He's the ony worthwhile male Swede out there!

    Hi Swedish.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Hi Swedish.
    Whoa... I get up in the morning and the first post I read says "hi Swedish"...

    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Oh and I like Forsberg. He's the ony worthwhile male Swede out there!
    Haha... I'm not even taking the bait this time. You know better than that.


    Now, onto my conf final predictions...

    East

    Hurricanes (1) vs. Leafs (2) - This whole blurb is taken from an earlier post... so some of it may not pertain to the series. Anyways...

    Well, the thing with the 'Canes is, they have a whole whack of young players + 5-7 leaders. Which can lead to a struggle for leadership, especially in the playoffs, when everyone wants to take charge and tell his teammates how the game is gonna be played.

    The other thing is, they just finished an easy couple of games, and now they're facing the Leafs, who have the most grit and toughness of any team left in the playoffs. The 'Canes are a finesse team, and it'll be interesting to see how their speed and skill matches up against the Leafs' grit and determination. If the Ottawa series told us anything, the Leafs' grit and determination will win.
    Leafs

    West

    Wings (1) vs. Avs (2) - Well, I gotta hurry the fuck up, so I'm gonna get straight to the point... this series is the battle of the superstars... so I think the difference is gonna be in the intangibles, such as heart/grit/determination/chemistry/etc. The Wings have barely gone through a slump all season, and have basically cruised up to this point. The Avs have gone through some rough shit to get to where they are, which builds more intangibles, mainly team chemistry and character, and I think that'll be the difference in the series.

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    I agree with Sweedish on this one... I think the Avs'll win the west. I think its gonna be really close in the east though. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go to game 7 yet again.. Both teams were very evenly matched during the regular season. I'm really looking forward to seeing that series.

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    Well I'm taking the nordiques in 7 over the old wings..and the canes in 6 over the brittle leafs.
    Is this what I want? No, but what I want I can no longer have. Looking at these teams now though, I do want the good old nordiques to win, but I want the leafs to beat the canes..I think only one of my hopes will work out.

    Roy has 4 cups..he might just get his 5th this season..but nah, he's not ever gonna win the record for most cup wins, I gaurantee it.
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    Originally posted by Leetah
    [Carolina and Toronto] were very evenly matched during the regular season.
    What regular season were you watching?

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    Holy shit..croc's a canes fan...have to kick some ass now

    I still can't believe they managed to score 8 on us. Damn, crappy way to end a good season.

    Well the canes will win tonight..I wish tucker was playing though..he makes things interesting..his eyes make him look crazy at times.
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    What an awesome game the Avs/Sharks put on. But Blake almost cost the Avs the game. Well it would have sent it into OT and it would have given the Sharks a huge boost. He is lucky that Roy bailed him out. Well here are my predictions:

    - Eastern Conference: Leafs vs Canes........I admit the Canes have shocked me this year. They beat the Devils and then came back and beat the Habs(although I still blame that ****ing ref). They have shown everyone that they deserve to be in the playoffs. But they are about to get a wake up call. The Canes have hot/cold goaltending. If they didn't have Weekes they would probably not be here. Then when Weekes faltered they were able to go back to Irbe. It kind of reminds me of the Patriots. But the Leafs got a huge boost when they came back to win the series. All of their guys are stepping up and Cujo looks like himself again. The Canes luck runs out in 5.

    - Western Conference: Avs vs Wings..........Every series this year people have said that Detroit is too old to win it. Or that their supporting cast won't step up. I don't like the Wings but they have shown why they are the favorites to win the cup. But Colorado are the defending Stanley Cup champions so they cannot be overlooked. Roy has been dominant over the lats 2 games and if he can carry that over into this series Hasek will have to step up his game. Both goalies have looked human so to speak in this playoffs. Goaltending will decide this series. I don't care who wins but I wanted to see this series so I will just sit back and watch them destroy eachother. Uhhhhh Avs in 7.

    On another note I can't believe that it Montreal was even considering firing Therrian. Montreal makes the playoffs, Fraser makes an absolute joke of a call and Therrian was gonna take the heat. But I am glad they are keeping him but now they need to focus on re-signing Theodore. That is a must.

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    Originally posted by Zen
    I wish tucker was playing though..he makes things interesting..his eyes make him look crazy at times.
    Yeah, a few times in the Islanders series he looked like Jack Nicholson in the Shining.

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    Originally posted by Jason_HBK


    Yeah, a few times in the Islanders series he looked like Jack Nicholson in the Shining.
    ....

    heh, agreed. Especially in the penalty box while he was dousing some fans..

    Hey, I always wanted to ask you..are you a coyotes fan? Or do you not care for them at all?
    I ask cuz I see you're from winnipeg..all I can say is the jets were my second fave team after the habs at one time..I loved Hawerchuk..
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    Originally posted by Zen


    ....

    heh, agreed. Especially in the penalty box while he was dousing some fans..

    Hey, I always wanted to ask you..are you a coyotes fan? Or do you not care for them at all?
    I ask cuz I see you're from winnipeg..all I can say is the jets were my second fave team after the habs at one time..I loved Hawerchuk..
    Well, they aren't my favorite team but I still watch to see how their doing. I was cheering for them against San Jose. I heard that one game they were going to wear Jets jersey's. That would have been sweet. Unless that already happened in which case I will be pissed.

    But I will never forgive the fans of Winnipeg. You wouldn't believe how much whining and crying they do now that they are gone. But when they were here they wouldn't even acknowledge that they were fans. But I was at every home playoff game during their last year. The last game was awesome because I have never heard Winnipeg so loud. I think Winnipeg has leaned it's lesson. I think we are ready to be a Hockey town again. But I highly doubt that will happen. Sorry for the rant, you asked a simple question and I gave you a 2 paragraph response.

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    What regular season were you watching?
    Oct. 11 - Maple Leafs 3 - 2 Hurricanes
    Nov. 27 - Hurricanes 5 - 2 Maple Leafs
    Dec. 26 - Hurricanes 4 - 3 Maple Leafs
    Feb. 26 - Maple Leafs 4 - 1 Hurricanes

    ...I'm guessing it was that one. The season series was tied at 2-2, with a couple 1-goal games. That's pretty close.

    The Leafs are tired as all hell, but they have tons of grit. If their fatigue gets the better of them, they lose. If their grit overcomes their fatigue, they win. That's what it all boils down to, I think.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation
    Oct. 11 - Maple Leafs 3 - 2 Hurricanes
    Nov. 27 - Hurricanes 5 - 2 Maple Leafs
    Dec. 26 - Hurricanes 4 - 3 Maple Leafs
    Feb. 26 - Maple Leafs 4 - 1 Hurricanes

    ...I'm guessing it was that one. The season series was tied at 2-2, with a couple 1-goal games. That's pretty close.
    35-26-16-5 91
    43-25-10-4 100

    That's not what I'd call evenly matched, but then again Boston was better than everyone else in the east and the Sharks won both games they played in Denver during the regular season too, so I'd hazzard a guess that it doesn't matter and I'm reading buzz words.

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    35-26-16-5 91
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    That's still pretty even, over the course of 82 games. I guess it's just a judgement call. Some would call that close, others wouldn't.

    Originally posted by M-Dub
    That's not what I'd call evenly matched, but then again Boston was better than everyone else in the east and the Sharks won both games they played in Denver during the regular season too, so I'd hazzard a guess that it doesn't matter and I'm reading buzz words.
    I never said it meant anything. Just that Katie said the 2 teams were evenly matched over the regular season, and you disagreed with her. The season series was 2-2, and they were 9 points apart. That's not very far.

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    Toronto is taking way too many penalties. They need to stop fucking around and play smart hockey.

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    Originally posted by Jason_HBK
    Toronto is taking way too many penalties. They need to stop fucking around and play smart hockey.
    Yeah. Not only do penalties give the other team a good chance to score, but they demoralize the team, and one penalty leads to the next. The team starts playing lax, and taking more dumb penalties. If the Leafs hadn't been bailed out by Joseph in Game 2 of the Ottawa series, I bet they would've been swept.

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    Woooooooooooo! Thank goodness for that goal. But if the Leafs keep taking penalties I am gonna go nuts. Joseph and the PK unit are keeping the Leafs in the game. GO LEAFS GO!!!

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    Watching the pre-game on CBC tonight, they said that Domi and Sundin were possibilities for Game 2 on Sunday. Lumme may also be back. But I could have SWORN that Tucker said in his interview that he was eyeing a comeback on Sunday. Does he not have a broken bone? Or am I hearing things?

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    Thank god the Leafs got the win. With all those penalties they are lucky to be up 1 - 0. Cujo was awesome in there tonight. I will be looking forward to Saturday.

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    Originally posted by McFreeze
    Watching the pre-game on CBC tonight, they said that Domi and Sundin were possibilities for Game 2 on Sunday. Lumme may also be back. But I could have SWORN that Tucker said in his interview that he was eyeing a comeback on Sunday. Does he not have a broken bone? Or am I hearing things?
    Thats what I said when I heard he might comeback. I heard he had a seperated shoulder and a broken bone in his shoulder. Oh well, as long as he comes back I am happy.

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    Originally posted by Jason_HBK
    I will be looking forward to Saturday.
    Sunday.

    I think we're gonna get a major shot in the arm with all the players we're getting back... but the thing is, we don't really need it right now... we may be worn down, but our team chemistry is perfect, and as long as every player is on the same wavelength, any team is extremely hard to beat. I think if we're down, we should bring them back for a shot in the arm... but right now, it might do more harm than good.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Sunday.

    I think we're gonna get a major shot in the arm with all the players we're getting back... but the thing is, we don't really need it right now... we may be worn down, but our team chemistry is perfect, and as long as every player is on the same wavelength, any team is extremely hard to beat. I think if we're down, we should bring them back for a shot in the arm... but right now, it might do more harm than good.
    I think your logic is a little flawed. Having more people back will do more harm then good? Because having fresher players go at it is a bad thing?

    You can't measure team chemistry so in my view at least it's kind of ridiculous to state that having more healthy players on the team is bad thing because it will upset the teams chemistry.

    Forsberg coming back to the Av's obviously didn't hurt the Av's chemistry. In fact it gave them a shot in the arm and they've been whipping some ass because he came back.

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    What regular season were you watching?
    maybe not the scores of the games, and such... But like... In shots, and all that other shit, it was fairly even. I think that Toronto outshot Carolina 108-102 over the whole thing...

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    35-26-16-5 91
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    That's not what I'd call evenly matched, but then again Boston was better than everyone else in the east and the Sharks won both games they played in Denver during the regular season too, so I'd hazzard a guess that it doesn't matter and I'm reading buzz words.
    Regular season is way different hockey than the playoffs.

    Last year, the Devils played the Avalanche twice, once at home, and once on the road. They won 6-0 and 5-1. They lost in seven games to them in the Cup Finals. In 1995, the same Devils were 22-18, and barely made the playoffs, but dominated in them and easily won the Cup.

    You can never measure a team in the playoffs by their regular season success. And Swedish Sensation, the Leafs were much better than the 'Canes in the regular season. Those records are not evenly matched.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    I think your logic is a little flawed. Having more people back will do more harm then good? Because having fresher players go at it is a bad thing?

    You can't measure team chemistry so in my view at least it's kind of ridiculous to state that having more healthy players on the team is bad thing because it will upset the teams chemistry.

    Forsberg coming back to the Av's obviously didn't hurt the Av's chemistry. In fact it gave them a shot in the arm and they've been whipping some ass because he came back.
    Why do you think teams who make too many trades and acquisitions have poor team chemistry? Look at the Rangers... they've got all the superstars you could ask for, and they can't even make the playoffs. That's because it takes a while for the guys to gel, and if they're always bringing in new players, it upsets the team chemistry. It's just one more guy to integrate into the system.

    I didn't say it will upset team chemistry... I said it might.

    ...You always find a way to mention Forsberg, don't you?


    Originally posted by Images and Words
    And Swedish Sensation, the Leafs were much better than the 'Canes in the regular season. Those records are not evenly matched.
    9 points isn't a very big difference, over 82 games. Like I said before, it all depends on your judgement... some consider that a wide gap, others don't. It's just like me saying 80 degrees is hot... some people would consider that cold.
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    ....

    a 9 point diff is 4 wins and a tie..over 82 games..hardly any diff at all.
    And like someone before me said..the regular season is played vastly different than compared to the post-season..which is why so many upsets always occur.
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    Why do you think teams who make too many trades and acquisitions have poor team chemistry? Look at the Rangers... they've got all the superstars you could ask for, and they can't even make the playoffs. That's because it takes a while for the guys to gel, and if they're always bringing in new players, it upsets the team chemistry. It's just one more guy to integrate into the system.

    I didn't say it will upset team chemistry... I said it might.

    ...You always find a way to mention Forsberg, don't you?
    You seemed disappointed about the prospect of people returning to the team.

    Unless I'm mistaken all of those guys played on the team before they got injured, right? So it's not like they're changing up the whole team just returning to full strength or almost full strenght.

    Also, I would say that like going to a new team, much like going to a new team it takes some time for the player(s) to adjust.

    As far as the Rangers go they don't have every superstar you could ask for on their team. I'd say that the Av's do. And look at that their in the Western conference finals.

    My point is that team chemistry can't be measured. You don't know who they fit in with the rest of the team when they come back unless you're an actual member of the team so I don't see much point in making assessments based on something intangible.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    You seemed disappointed about the prospect of people returning to the team.

    Unless I'm mistaken all of those guys played on the team before they got injured, right? So it's not like they're changing up the whole team just returning to full strength or almost full strenght.

    Also, I would say that like going to a new team, much like going to a new team it takes some time for the player(s) to adjust.

    As far as the Rangers go they don't have every superstar you could ask for on their team. I'd say that the Av's do. And look at that their in the Western conference finals.

    My point is that team chemistry can't be measured. You don't know who they fit in with the rest of the team when they come back unless you're an actual member of the team so I don't see much point in making assessments based on something intangible.
    Team chemistry can only be observed, you're right... but judging by the last 2 games against Ottawa, the team is clicking, and they're finally coming together. Every guy looks the same out there. They're all working towards the same game plan.

    The game plan only revolves around the players they have right now... so if Sundin/Tucker/Renberg/Domi come back, they're all key players, and the game plan will then have to revolve more around them. Not to mention that Sundin will be playing on the 1st line, someone will be bumped to the 2nd line, someone from the 2nd line will be bumped to the 3rd line, and so on and so forth. Then players like Roberts/Corson/McCabe, who've been saving our asses as of late, will get less ice time, and that could possibly be detrimental to the team.

    It could also help the team, but the way things are going right now, I don't wanna see any changes in the line-up. Things are just fine the way they are.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Team chemistry can only be observed, you're right... but judging by the last 2 games against Ottawa, the team is clicking, and they're finally coming together. Every guy looks the same out there. They're all working towards the same game plan.

    The game plan only revolves around the players they have right now... so if Sundin/Tucker/Renberg/Domi come back, they're all key players, and the game plan will then have to revolve more around them. Not to mention that Sundin will be playing on the 1st line, someone will be bumped to the 2nd line, someone from the 2nd line will be bumped to the 3rd line, and so on and so forth. Then players like Roberts/Corson/McCabe, who've been saving our asses as of late, will get less ice time, and that could possibly be detrimental to the team.

    It could also help the team, but the way things are going right now, I don't wanna see any changes in the line-up. Things are just fine the way they are.
    Each line will be fresher as a result of the returns. Which means that when those guys that have saved your asses get on the ice they will be in better shape and able to contribute more.

    Aside from that as a result of the returns the opposing team won't be as well prepared for them, since they won't know what to expect or how the lines are going to be changed.

    I'd say the pros definitely outweight the cons.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Which means that when those guys that have saved your asses get on the ice they will be in better shape and able to contribute more.
    I don't think it matters much whether they're tired or not... did you see Game 7 against Ottawa? Corson, McCabe and Roberts poured their hearts out... and this was after an already hard-fought series. They have grit, heart, and determination... and they play better in the playoffs when they're hurt. That just gives them more motivation, which is seemingly what they thrive off of.

    When the team is firing on all cylinders, they tend to get lazy. It's only when they're in trouble that they play awesome.

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    I would have said the Rangers' problem was coaching.

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    I would have said the Rangers' problem was coaching.
    Good coaching still contributes to team chemistry.

    Think about it. When you have a good coach, you're gonna be more motivated to play well for him, and if he works well with the players, also creates an overall team atmosphere.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation
    Good coaching still contributes to team chemistry.

    Think about it. When you have a good coach, you're gonna be more motivated to play well for him, and if he works well with the players, also creates an overall team atmosphere.[/color]
    I thought you said all the superstars lead to poor team chemisty for the Rangers.

    My first season was played for a horrible coach, and I was one of his better players, except I refused to play for him. His son was on the team, which was his only reason for coaching. He couldn't skate, never played hockey, didn't really know anything about it. He carried around one of those coaching hockey for dummies books. Couldn't shoot a puck either, he was too off balance on his skates. We won 2 games all year, 4-1 and 2-1. Our goalie didn't have his own equipment and the kid who didn't he didn't let play. So many problems with that team.

    He used to see me play out on the ponds for fun, and I'd be blowing everyone away, and he'd ask why I never played like that for him. He was friends with the people who lived across the street from my stepdad. He used to tell them that I sucked. I mean really, are you going to want to play well for that guy?

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    I thought you said all the superstars lead to poor team chemisty for the Rangers.

    My first season was played for a horrible coach, and I was one of his better players, except I refused to play for him. His son was on the team, which was his only reason for coaching. He couldn't skate, never played hockey, didn't really know anything about it. He carried around one of those coaching hockey for dummies books. Couldn't shoot a puck either, he was too off balance on his skates. We won 2 games all year, 4-1 and 2-1. Our goalie didn't have his own equipment and the kid who didn't he didn't let play. So many problems with that team.

    He used to see me play out on the ponds for fun, and I'd be blowing everyone away, and he'd ask why I never played like that for him. He was friends with the people who lived across the street from my stepdad. He used to tell them that I sucked. I mean really, are you going to want to play well for that guy?
    Ron Low was your coach? Damn his nepotism!

    On a coaching sidenote, why has the league shunned Ted Nolan? I know Hasek hated him and helped run him out of Buffalo, but why does the rest of the league refuse to hire him? He is a good player coach, might be good for the Rangers. I would have loved to have seen Hitchcock go to the Rangers and watched Bure try and kill himself when Hitch would ask him to play defence. Bure would have been out of there. Rangers coaching candidates getting thin, maybe Sather can take over and coach to victory again, heh.

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    Originally posted by M-Dub
    I thought you said all the superstars lead to poor team chemisty for the Rangers.
    That too... I'm just seeing a different side of it, that's all.

    Originally posted by M-Dub
    My first season was played for a horrible coach, and I was one of his better players, except I refused to play for him. His son was on the team, which was his only reason for coaching. He couldn't skate, never played hockey, didn't really know anything about it. He carried around one of those coaching hockey for dummies books. Couldn't shoot a puck either, he was too off balance on his skates. We won 2 games all year, 4-1 and 2-1. Our goalie didn't have his own equipment and the kid who didn't he didn't let play. So many problems with that team.

    He used to see me play out on the ponds for fun, and I'd be blowing everyone away, and he'd ask why I never played like that for him. He was friends with the people who lived across the street from my stepdad. He used to tell them that I sucked. I mean really, are you going to want to play well for that guy?
    I have an immense love for the game, so I would still play to my fullest capabilities... I wouldn't be playing "for" him, anyways. To me, it doesn't matter who the coach is... I play for myself, and I give 110%, no matter who I'm playing with.

    But, for argument's sake, let's just say that the coach treats his players like shit and they don't wanna play for him. Wouldn't that be a problem with team chemistry? The players don't get along with the coach, therefore the team has internal problems, which I would consider team chemistry.


    My point, though, was that better players don't make a better team. Even if all these guys come back... sure, they were key players before they left... but every time a player leaves, you have to change your game plan, and that's exactly what the Leafs have done. Everybody's pitching in, they're playing a defensively-oriented game, not to mention their best hockey of these playoffs. So, let's say Sundin comes back... not only does their game become more offensively-oriented, but some of the low-level grinders who've been working their asses off get less ice time, which will deplete their morale, and they may not have as much motivation to play well. Not to mention that the Leafs play their best hockey when they're worn down and on the edge. That's when everybody wakes up and the whole team pitches in.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    I don't think it matters much whether they're tired or not... did you see Game 7 against Ottawa? Corson, McCabe and Roberts poured their hearts out... and this was after an already hard-fought series. They have grit, heart, and determination... and they play better in the playoffs when they're hurt. That just gives them more motivation, which is seemingly what they thrive off of.

    When the team is firing on all cylinders, they tend to get lazy. It's only when they're in trouble that they play awesome.
    Well logic would dictate the better shape you're in the better you'd be able to play.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll


    On a coaching sidenote, why has the league shunned Ted Nolan?
    That's the same question I was asking a friend at work yesterday. Not only was he a great NHL coach as evident by him winning Copach of the Year honors, but he was an exceptional coach with Sault Ste. Marie, winning two leahue championships and a Memorial Cup in 1993.

    So because Hasek drove Nolan out of Buffalo, that means the guy shouldn't have another go? Unless the man turns the job down, he should be one of the top candidates whenever an opening takes place.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Well logic would dictate the better shape you're in the better you'd be able to play.
    Yes, but it's a Canadian team, okay? So you can throw all your pansy little logic right out the window...

    Observation would dictate that the Leafs play better when they're on the edge than when they have a cushion. Look at both Game 7s of these playoffs... 2 of the best games they've played all year.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Yes, but it's a Canadian team, okay? So you can throw all your pansy little logic right out the window...

    Observation would dictate that the Leafs play better when they're on the edge than when they have a cushion. Look at both Game 7s of these playoffs... 2 of the best games they've played all year.
    I'd say that it proves they perform well under pressure.

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    Rajah- Luck. That's all I have to say.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    I'd say that it proves they perform well under pressure.
    There's more pressure when you're playing desperation hockey.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    There's more pressure when you're playing desperation hockey.
    Yeah, game seven is a desperate situation I'd say. And I wouldn't necessarily consider losing a couple of players to injures putting your team in a desperate situation, unless of course your team really sucks without them.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Yeah, game seven is a desperate situation I'd say. And I wouldn't necessarily consider losing a couple of players to injures putting your team in a desperate situation, unless of course your team really sucks without them.
    I'd say our team really sucks without Sundin and Tucker, wouldn't you?

    But that's when everybody pitches in to fill the gaps, especially on defence, which is our weak point. Everybody scrambles to block shots and clear pucks, we win the battles in the corners and along the boards, and it boosts morale, not to mention puck control.

    I know it's a little early to judge, but we had won 3 in a row without Sundin and Tucker, they came back today, and we lost.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    I'd say our team really sucks without Sundin and Tucker, wouldn't you?

    But that's when everybody pitches in to fill the gaps, especially on defence, which is our weak point. Everybody scrambles to block shots and clear pucks, we win the battles in the corners and along the boards, and it boosts morale, not to mention puck control.

    I know it's a little early to judge, but we had won 3 in a row without Sundin and Tucker, they came back today, and we lost.
    In overtime, right?

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    In overtime, right?
    Yeah...

    Just if we won that game... if we could've carried the momentum from that last goal (scored with 7 seconds left) and taken 2 on the road, we would've had a stranglehold on the series, and probably taken it in 4. It would be pretty disheartening for the 'Canes when they're about to tie the series and we score with 7 seconds left then win in OT and take a 2-game lead.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Yeah...

    Just if we won that game... if we could've carried the momentum from that last goal (scored with 7 seconds left) and taken 2 on the road, we would've had a stranglehold on the series, and probably taken it in 4. It would be pretty disheartening for the 'Canes when they're about to tie the series and we score with 7 seconds left then win in OT and take a 2-game lead.
    Well you can't win every game and I would say the fact that they went into overtime as opposed to their asses kicked, is a pretty good indicator that their team chemistry hasn't been badly damaged by the returns of their best players.

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    Originally posted by Jobber to the stars
    Well you can't win every game and I would say the fact that they went into overtime as opposed to their asses kicked, is a pretty good indicator that their team chemistry hasn't been badly damaged by the returns of their best players.
    Well, they both looked pretty dead tonight.

    I hate how teams have liabilities towards their best players. If it was just some scrub that they'd called up from St. John's, they would've waited until the team was in trouble to bring him back. But they bring back Sundin and Tucker when they're not 100%, and they're just dragging the team back... and when top players are sluggish, it rubs off on the whole team.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Well, they both looked pretty dead tonight.

    I hate how teams have liabilities towards their best players. If it was just some scrub that they'd called up from St. John's, they would've waited until the team was in trouble to bring him back. But they bring back Sundin and Tucker when they're not 100%, and they're just dragging the team back... and when top players are sluggish, it rubs off on the whole team.


    But Tucker is a psycho. Never underestimate that. For a non-Leaf fan, who found tonight's game aside from OT very boring hockey, nothing is better then the chance that Tucker might snap at some fans again. He would scare the shit out of me if I ran across him at night. I am torn in this series. I want Irbe to win, and get credit for all the good he has done on shit teams in his career, and finally get some respect, but I also want the cup back in Canada. I just find it hard to cheer on the Leafs when I see Belak and Cross on the ice. They are as bad as Strudwick and Ruutu. BUt still, any team that beats a team from the West will make me happy. I miss having NJ in the finals.

    On a sidenote, what has everyone's favorite series been so far? Aside from Vancouver vs Wings, my favorite series was San Jose vs Colorado. Two good teams going the distance, lots of hits, great goaltending, all the makings of great playoff hockey. Nabakov was amazing in that series, too bad they had to lose. BUt that series was most enjoyable for me, and it also helped that both cities fans are really good. Having fanatical fans really adds to my enjoyment of the game, which makes 6-1 road wins not as fun, so it is nice to see good fans in the playoffs. Even Carolina is coming around, even though after this year of hockey they will all forget what hockey is and won't love it as much as their northern cousins. Anything is better then Anaheim, Washington, and I hate to say it, New Jersey fans though. NJ had empty seats in the playoffs, that was pathetic. Anyways, I am blabbering. To sum it up: Fans this year =

    Except the morons who boo antheims and throw things on the ice. You people still suck.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll

    On a sidenote, what has everyone's favorite series been so far? Aside from Vancouver vs Wings, my favorite series was San Jose vs Colorado. Two good teams going the distance, lots of hits, great goaltending, all the makings of great playoff hockey. Nabakov was amazing in that series, too bad they had to lose. BUt that series was most enjoyable for me, and it also helped that both cities fans are really good. Having fanatical fans really adds to my enjoyment of the game, which makes 6-1 road wins not as fun, so it is nice to see good fans in the playoffs. Even Carolina is coming around, even though after this year of hockey they will all forget what hockey is and won't love it as much as their northern cousins. Anything is better then Anaheim, Washington, and I hate to say it, New Jersey fans though. NJ had empty seats in the playoffs, that was pathetic. Anyways, I am blabbering. To sum it up: Fans this year =

    Except the morons who boo antheims and throw things on the ice. You people still suck.
    My favorite series, personally, was Montreal and Carolina. Just what they stood for, 2 teams never supposed to go that far and they end up playing each other. It told a good story. It may not have been the best hockey we've ever seen (see: 8-2 win), but with Carolina's comeback, they are proverbially shaming the whole league. I wouldn't be suprised if they win the Stanley Cup. You just know that if they make it that far, they'll be the underdogs and what have they done as underdogs so far. Hmmmmm...

    But I know I'm gonna like the Av's and Detroit better. Hasek/ Roy. Sakic/ Yzerman. Foppa/ Federov. Tons of dream matchups. Great players. One great rivalry. This could be something that we may remember for a while. The time that the Titans clashed. The time that the 2 greatest goalies of our time fought for the right to go to the Stanley Cup. This has been a more satisfactory playoff year than any in a LONG time. Miracles and brutal fights. Next year will be disappointing.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll
    But Tucker is a psycho. Never underestimate that. For a non-Leaf fan, who found tonight's game aside from OT very boring hockey, nothing is better then the chance that Tucker might snap at some fans again. He would scare the shit out of me if I ran across him at night. I am torn in this series. I want Irbe to win, and get credit for all the good he has done on shit teams in his career, and finally get some respect, but I also want the cup back in Canada. I just find it hard to cheer on the Leafs when I see Belak and Cross on the ice. They are as bad as Strudwick and Ruutu. BUt still, any team that beats a team from the West will make me happy. I miss having NJ in the finals.
    Tucker isn't nearly as psycho as Roberts. Not only does Gary have a short temper, but he also came back from a severe neck injury, and continues to put his ass on the line every single game. Game 7 in the Ottawa series was probably the best individual effort I've seen by any player... ever. He was absolutely everywhere. In the defensive zone, he was running from one end of the ice to the other, hitting absolutely everything in his path... he was just in hyperactive mode. He can also give the refs and fans an earful. Belak and Cross = They don't try hard, they just use their size, and take stupid penalties... not to Mention that Cross looks like more of a horse than Julia Roberts and Test combined.

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    Hey S_S, you are a Leafs fan, what can you tell me about Nathan Dempsey? On tsn.ca all the message boards have talked about how good he is the last few years, yet he has been stuck in the minors his whole career. He any good?

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    Kid Roll,

    I can tell you a bit about Nathan Dempsey, being that I follow the Leafs closely living in Toronto. He's basically a defenseman who isn't good enough to be in the NHL, but is way too good to be on the farm. Just a 6th NHL defenseman at best, who is really in Pat Quinn's doghouse. He's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and I surely see him signing elsewhere.
    He does though deserve some playing time with some team...a good pick up for someone like Minnesota or whatever.

    Cory Cross...what a waste of size that is. He looks like an ass.

    Tucker and Roberts are both psycho....but they're loved where they play.

    Go Leafs...I'm not really a Leafs fan, but I would love to see a Canadian team in the Cup final....where the fans care about them, unlike Carolina.

    Gotta go...the Wings/Avs game is on now.

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    Patrick Roy is in rare form tonight. Too bad that form isn't a good form. He kicked the puck in to tie it. Well, hopefully, he'll step up in OT and make up for past mistakes.

    The_shad (Hmmm, Roy might be feeling a little old. He almost never has 2 off games in a row. I really hope that this doesn
    t continue in OT or it'll be 2-0 Wings)

    EDIT: Didn't even get time for Roy to redeem himself! Hasek fell down! And Drury scored off of a great shot by Forsberg and a nice pass by Reinpreicht. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Drury showed the Wings how deadly he is in OT and in pressure situations. He coulda shanked the shot into Hasek's pads, but he didn't. Ah, if only his ego didn't take over the other times. Cue a Game 3 ego trip and loss.
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    Originally posted by Edges of Twilight
    Kid Roll,

    I can tell you a bit about Nathan Dempsey, being that I follow the Leafs closely living in Toronto. He's basically a defenseman who isn't good enough to be in the NHL, but is way too good to be on the farm. Just a 6th NHL defenseman at best, who is really in Pat Quinn's doghouse. He's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and I surely see him signing elsewhere.
    He does though deserve some playing time with some team...a good pick up for someone like Minnesota or whatever.

    Cory Cross...what a waste of size that is. He looks like an ass.

    Tucker and Roberts are both psycho....but they're loved where they play.

    Go Leafs...I'm not really a Leafs fan, but I would love to see a Canadian team in the Cup final....where the fans care about them, unlike Carolina.

    Gotta go...the Wings/Avs game is on now.
    Thanks EoT. I kept hearing about him, I just needed to know why everyone seemed to love him. I guess if he is a standout on the farm the people who watch the farm team will tend to love him and think he should be on the pro-roster. I would love to have Tucker on the Canucks, and have him on a line with Matt Cooke. Cooke plays like Tucker, hitting everything in sight, but he doesn't look scary at all. Still looks like he is 5, heh. But Tucker couldnt come to Vancouver unless he switched his number, cause Linden is the only 16 I ever want to see in Vancouver. They better retire Linden's number in Vancouver....hmmmm, random hockey talk. One last thing: I hate Drury, but man, that guy gets so many game winning goals, its insane. He will have the record if he keeps up this way his whole career.

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    Hell, I think he might already have the record. 10 game winnings goals in the playoffs. 10! He has 25 total playoff goals. That means 40% of his goals win games! He is a high impact player. But that is contributing to the ego problem the Av's have.

    On another note, did anyone see what happened after the goal? Kaspar was provoking Chelios and Kaspar isn't really a good fighter, so he was getting beat by Chelios and Blake had to save him. One thing I have to admit, Kaspar has a alot of guts, but he is a crazy man.

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    Originally posted by Kid_Roll
    Hey S_S, you are a Leafs fan, what can you tell me about Nathan Dempsey?
    Not a whole hell of a lot... sorry.

    The Avs were clutch last night. I don't think anybody's gonna beat them... they've just got too much firepower to compete with, and it's something you can't go out and buy. You can throw $100M at the entire all-star team *cough* Rangers *cough* but no one will ever be as good as the Avs for a long time to come. They're built from the bottom up. Sakic and Forsberg, their 2 star players, have been with them since the Nordique days, and Hejduk/Tanguay/Drury were all drafted. They're all a part of that team. That's where they started their careers. And I think that's what separates the Avs from everybody else.

    ...Predictions for tonight? I'm goin' with the Leafs.

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    Originally posted by Swedish Sensation


    Not a whole hell of a lot... sorry.

    ...Predictions for tonight? I'm goin' with the Leafs.
    If I was a betting man, I'd go with the Leafs.

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    Originally posted by Makaveli
    If I was a betting man, I'd go with the Leafs.


    I think after the performance that Sundin and Tucker turned out on Sunday, there'll be some adjustments. Sundin will be playing more than 14 mins tonight, but I don't think Tucker will get near as much ice time. He just wasn't doing anything out there. He stayed away from the boards, and they need him as a grinder. He was brought in specifically for playoff grit. When he's not playing his role on the team, he's useless.

    Corson and McCabe will get some more time, hopefully.

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