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    Heat will be soundly defeated by the mighty Lakers.

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    If lebron loses this one he’ll be a laughing stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    If lebron loses this one he’ll be a laughing stock
    One can dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    If lebron loses this one he’ll be a laughing stock
    Why?

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    Look Miami may win but nothing about Lebron(or any elite pro athelete) that would make him a laughing stock. He may not be the best anymore but the guy works his ass off and it seems like when he wants to turn it on, no one is stopping him.

    Is Giannis a laughing stock? Or Luka?

    How about the LOADED Celtics who just got punked?

    GTFO here with that haterade.

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    A Bulls and Celtics fan wanting Lebron to do poorly. In other news the sky is bl....water is wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    Why?
    Because his Finals record would go to 3-7 against a Heat team that doesn't seem that strong of a threat. The Lakers are heavy favorites here (-350 to win the series). The "bad finals record" narrative would be given a whole new fuel if he loses this one. Laughing stock might have been a little much but that's what I meant.

    I never said I'm rooting against Lebron btw. I mean I think I'll have to for the reason of not wanting the Lakers to tie the Celtics for most championships but otherwise I would be rooting for him. The Heat would be a forgettable title team.

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    The Nuggets and Heat both leveled up in my fan eyes significantly. If the Heat can beat the Lakers in a series, it will be as "real" as any other NBA Title and I will give them full credit.

    I think everything about this year is memorable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Oh well.

    Lakers in 5
    Yes our customary 4-1

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    Doc Rivers is out as coach of the Clippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    A Bulls and Celtics fan wanting Lebron to do poorly. In other news the sky is bl....water is wet.
    Water isn't wet!

    I just think it would be funny for him to lose to the team he promised several titles for, that's all. I like Anthony Davis a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    The Nuggets and Heat both leveled up in my fan eyes significantly. If the Heat can beat the Lakers in a series, it will be as "real" as any other NBA Title and I will give them full credit.

    I think everything about this year is memorable!
    it's real. and it will be a real disappointment if the Lakers don't win.

    and yea I'm probably slighting the Heat, they are a good team and hey the Raptors beat the Warriors last year so it's not like the big dogs don't fall. I haven't seen much Laker basketball, or really any basketball outside of the Celtics this year, so you can file my take under casual. but the Lakers are heavy favorites so yea, Lebron's legacy would take a hit if they lose. 3-7 wouldn't be good. 4-6 is way better.

    go Heat. not because of Lebron hate but because of Laker hate.

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    Lakers 4-1 no way we are losing this finals.

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    Anyone interested in a best ballers of all time list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Anyone interested in a best ballers of all time list?
    Yes

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    1. Bill Russell
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    20. LeBron James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    1. Bill Russell
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    20. LeBron James
    That being your top 20 in chronological order is the only way that makes sense.

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    @Percussion I am IN for GOAT list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Anyone interested in a best ballers of all time list?
    Oh yes

    - - - Updated - - -

    Also let’s get a fantasy basketball going when the new season starts.

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    doc to the sixers. im down with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    doc to the sixers. im down with it.
    Probably a much better outlook than the alternative they were considering.

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    2 more wins lads

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    LAAAAAAAAKEEEEEEEERS

    LETS GOOOOOOO

    No asterix fully deserved, best team in the nba this season

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    Well done. Lebron is the greatest mercenary of all time.

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    Salty?

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    Not salty, but he's the first player to win Finals MVP with 3 teams.

    A) That's a testament to how good he is, that where he goes championships happen.
    B) It's an interesting career path and is indicative of the league trend where superstars change teams and congregate more often. In today's NBA, the next MJ's, or Magic's, Kobe's, Larry Bird's, AI's.... they are less and less likely to be associated with one team. Lebron will probably get his jersey retired in 3 cities and people will not associate him with any 1 team. He is his own entity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Well done. Lebron is the greatest mercenary of all time.


    You somehow forgot to mention Danny Green here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Not salty, but he's the first player to win Finals MVP with 3 teams.

    A) That's a testament to how good he is, that where he goes championships happen.
    B) It's an interesting career path and is indicative of the league trend where superstars change teams and congregate more often. In today's NBA, the next MJ's, or Magic's, Kobe's, Larry Bird's, AI's.... they are less and less likely to be associated with one team. Lebron will probably get his jersey retired in 3 cities and people will not associate him with any 1 team. He is his own entity.
    Hard to argue he doesn't have the most compelling story of any player ever.

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    LeBron is one of the best in the game, but it still goes MJ-Kobe-LeBron.

    Nice to see Dwight Howard win a ‘ship, he had an eight year run where he was as dominant as almost anybody in the game. Is he a first ballot HOFer? I say no but it’s close, he definitely gets in though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Not salty, but he's the first player to win Finals MVP with 3 teams.

    A) That's a testament to how good he is, that where he goes championships happen.
    B) It's an interesting career path and is indicative of the league trend where superstars change teams and congregate more often. In today's NBA, the next MJ's, or Magic's, Kobe's, Larry Bird's, AI's.... they are less and less likely to be associated with one team. Lebron will probably get his jersey retired in 3 cities and people will not associate him with any 1 team. He is his own entity.
    That's fair. Im waiting on the Bulls becoming a force again seeing as they were my team as a kid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    That's fair. Im waiting on the Bulls becoming a force again seeing as they were my team as a kid
    You'll be waiting a while

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    I heard a great take on LBJ today from I think Broussard. Basically that Lebron gets an edge because he never played for an elite coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    I heard a great take on LBJ today from I think Broussard. Basically that Lebron gets an edge because he never played for an elite coach.
    That's definitely a take

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    I heard a great take on LBJ today from I think Broussard. Basically that Lebron gets an edge because he never played for an elite coach.
    Never played for an “elite” coach because LeBron has made a career out of shanking good coaches.

    Spoelstra is pretty elite, Lue had a great run, Brown was onto something before “The South Beach Exit”.

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    I still place MJ comfortably ahead of Lebron but I'm not going to knock anyone who considers Lebron the goat. he's a beast on the court and is on his way to becoming the NBA's all time leading scorer (3 more seasons should easily get him there). the longevity he's currently displaying, still being an MVP caliber player at age 35 with 1200 games under his belt, is remarkable. not that other all time greats haven't also been great at 35 but he is showing little signs of slowing, and those career milestones will start to compile and be new feathers in his cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    LeBron is one of the best in the game, but it still goes MJ-Kobe-LeBron.

    Nice to see Dwight Howard win a ‘ship, he had an eight year run where he was as dominant as almost anybody in the game. Is he a first ballot HOFer? I say no but it’s close, he definitely gets in though.
    Always this for me, MJ just over Kobe.

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    MJ is over LeBron still.

    But I would like to hear the arguments for Kobe over LeBron.

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    MJ over Lebron for me too.

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    I've got MJ over LeBron, but I don't begrudge anyone who makes a hard argument the other way.

    10 Finals appearances in the modern NBA is unbelievable. So many coaches, so many Robins, so many role players all off and on the LeBron train with only one unwavering constant.

    Could MJ have done what LeBron did on each of those Cavs, Heat, and Lakers teams? Maybe, idk.
    Could LeBron have held down a 6-0 Finals record on those Bulls teams? Maybe, idk.

    They're kinda polar opposites in several ways but both achieving unmatched greatness in their respective eras.

    If they played a take all series against one another on reasonably even teams who would show out more to take it? Yikes, it's close. But the competitive killer is just what happens to put it over the top for Mike for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    But I would like to hear the arguments for Kobe over LeBron.
    5-2 > 4-6.

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    On 3 of those Kobe wasn’t the clear cut best player on his team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    On 3 of those Kobe wasn’t the clear cut best player on his team.
    Kobe might not have been the best player on those teams, but he definitely was the engine that drove that bus. Shaq was great, imagine how much better he would have been if he put effort into his free throws and conditioning program...

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    Kobe vs Lebron.... maybe this title was the one that puts Lebron over Kobe for me, but I'm not sure yet. Surely Lebron is a better all around player, while Kobe was the better scorer. idk. that's close. probably by the end of his career I will admit to putting Lebron ahead of Kobe but I'm not there yet.

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    To me, it's only fair to rank all-time greats after they retire. When Kobe retired, I had him fourth behind MJ, Wilt, and Bill Russell. MJ is a solid #1.

    Lebron is making a good argument for becoming #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    5-2 > 4-6.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Anyone interested in a best ballers of all time list?
    ..and so this seems like as good a time as any to begin collecting any lists, ya?

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    I'm a Kobe fan. But using the rings argument is tired.

    If you're going to count LeBron's final losses against him. Then Tim Duncan must be above Kobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    ..and so this seems like as good a time as any to begin collecting any lists, ya?
    Ya. Seasons over, best time to do it

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    I agree, let's get some lists.

    Everyone can pm me their best of all time list starting asap, and we'll give it a little time before a deadline is set.

    The more the merry for both participants and listed candidates. A top 20 is preferable to get a more substantive final list, but I won't quibble over a top 10 or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    I'm a Kobe fan. But using the rings argument is tired.

    If you're going to count LeBron's final losses against him. Then Tim Duncan must be above Kobe.
    I don't think they should be the end all be all, but I think rings should be considered somewhat

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    Rings are obviously important. They're the goal year after year.

    But each one has it's own story and the context for everyone's is just as important.

    Who did you play with.. who did you play against.. what was your role.. what was the makeup of the league at the time (number of teams, free agency, etc)..

    Otherwise 11-1 > everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    LeBron is one of the best in the game, but it still goes MJ-Kobe-LeBron.

    Nice to see Dwight Howard win a ‘ship, he had an eight year run where he was as dominant as almost anybody in the game. Is he a first ballot HOFer? I say no but it’s close, he definitely gets in though.
    Kobe isn't even the best Laker. That is Magic. Kobe barely makes the Top 10 for all-time players (6th at the absolute peak).

    MJ, LBJ, KAJ, Magic and Russell are Tier 1.
    Wilt, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, West are Tier 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    5-2 > 4-6.
    What about all the years he didn't even make the playoffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Kobe might not have been the best player on those teams, but he definitely was the engine that drove that bus. Shaq was great, imagine how much better he would have been if he put effort into his free throws and conditioning program...
    You need to go back and rewatch those games. Shaq was the heart and soul of those teams. He average like 35-20 for 3 straight NBA Finals. Derek Fisher was as important as Kobe was
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    I always enjoy a good pointless, debate with no real answer: Anyone up for a Top 20 countdown of all-time NBA players? Maybe last 20 years, post-MJ, as the time frame too since that is most of our demo. Current players could be fun too.

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    _me, that's what Percussion is doing. @Percussion might need to make a new thread so it doesn't get lost in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    _me, that's what Percussion is doing. @Percussion might need to make a new thread so it doesn't get lost in the mix.
    I thought it rang a bell. I just didn't go back far enough to see that. I am in whenever we get around to it.

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    Ty Lue being named the new coach of the Clippers.

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    Was there anyone else in the running lol?

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    Daryl Morey out as Rockets GM.

    And with that I can't recall a time where a city lost it's MLB, NFL, and NBA HC/GM combos all in the same calendar year.

    Anyone?

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