Anyone think Jimmy Butler makes it the whole season before he throws either Simmons or Embiid under the bus like he’s done with every other teammate he’s had?
Anyone think Jimmy Butler makes it the whole season before he throws either Simmons or Embiid under the bus like he’s done with every other teammate he’s had?
sixers/raptors east finals book it
Has jimmy butler won 3 playoff series his entire career?Originally Posted by Matthew
well luckily he has teammates and doesn't play all by himself
That certainly sounds like jimmy butler. He is well known for trusting his teammates and letting them grow and learn.…
honest question: who else has he stunted besides karl anthony towns?
even to that point, towns has been shit for awhile, with and without butler, and the criticism is deserved. although it probably shouldn't have went public. their run last season without butler showed that he is needed to make that team even a playoff contender. he has an impact and he isn't the major star of this the 76ers. this team already has an identity without him.
i don't see it being a huge problem. but i guess since you know the inner workings of player development, i will just take your word for it
Who is the last teammate who he made better? Is he completely responsible for it? No. But he plays a role as a “leader” of the bulls and wolves.
I just read butlers history with his teammates and their success. Is it possible it changes? Sure. I just don’t expect it too.
well seeing as he basically willed the wolves in the playoffs, he made the whole team better. they were garbage without him.
so you are well read on his history... whose growth did he stunt? you said the guy has thrown every teammate under the bus....
it is extremely possible he has been constantly surrounded by mediocre players. doesn't help matters that he has played most of his career for one coach who is know to wear players out and is a 'hardass'.
just looks like you are weirdly jaded about the guy.
butler makes the sixers contenders in the east.
raptors
celtics
sixers
bucks
that would be a good final four
Butler is one of the more unlikable players on the planet, right along with Kawhi Leonard. Anyone who sits while healthy can eat a dick. That's not a good team mate. Butler is super talented but the young Sixers would be much better off with a player who has the floor leadership to make that insanely good squad come together and become great. That isn't going to be Jimmy Butler. They are still likely a level under Boston in the East.
Dario Saric and Robert Covington is a huge haul for the Timberwolves to get rid of a massive contract for a player who sat every other game until he was traded.
Covington they have at least 2 more years if they want him. Looks like Saric is a FA at the end of the season but he is a guy I could see fitting very well into that system. If Jeff Teague can get healthy, don't count out the Wolves.
i already did.
I'm glad the circus is over. Saric and Covington are about as good a return as could be expected. It is now on Towns and Wiggins to step up. Sucks that Lavine is lighting it up in Chicago. They'll need to turn it around fast to save the season.
Decent little run by us last 5 games but tough one tonight home to Portland. 1-1 between us so far.
Pistons and Redwings are both coming back up to 500. If they both can at least make the playoffs, I would be happy.
I'm sure that game was much more enjoyable for you than it was for me.
Of course Casey has to draw up his best out of bounds plays ever against us.
Durant feels like a natural fit in LA. Brow, too.
I don't think Durant will go to LA. It's very premature, but if he leaves I imagine he won't want to go to another team where he is viewed as the #2 player. He will want to be the premiere player on a team. Maybe he heads East and sets himself up for an easier path to the Finals every year.
I went to the Wolves/Pelicans game on Wednesday. Covington is better than I thought. I read he was awesome defensively, but he was a much needed shot in the arm for this team.
It's questionable if that path will be easier. Obviously this a season-by-season situation in terms of makeup of rosters but Boston, Toronto, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee are going to be there unless radical change happens.
I think Durant is headed to NY and Klay will land in LA with Lebron.
Curry and Green will be the only remaining superstars on the team.
Is the East that much easier than the west though? I feel like the top 4 eastern conference teams can compete with anyone from the west. Warriors are above everyone when healthy and cohesive but after that who in the west is really that much better than the top 4 in the east?
It's not.
Curry, Green, Durant, and Thompson are heading to Detroit next year.
Detroit still has an NBA team?
I have not watched much bball this year yet but yes the East is still easier in my eyes. It was easier last year, and this year the biggest change is that Lebron migrated West. I'm not going to say things are back to even steven after what feels like 20 years of Western dominance just because the Sixers got Jimmy Butler and the Raptors are off to a hot start.
The Celtics are struggling btw. I still think they'll be fine and that Hayward will gel into his role as he gets more comfortable after snapping his leg in half, but they don't look good yet. Kyrie was ballin in that win vs the Raptors though.
It really feels like you're discrediting your argument when you say you haven't watched much basketball this yearI'd say the middle and bottom of the West has gotten somewhat better but the top has downgraded. In the East, the bottom hasn't gotten much better, the middle could be somewhat better, but the top is much stronger.
I don't really trust anyone in the West giving the Warriors a legit fight any better than the top four in the East.
The West below the Warriors has gotten weaker compared to previous years. And it is possible that the second best team in the league is in the East which is something we couldn't really say for some years. But it's still all very early.
i would argue that the top 4 teams in the east are overall better than the top 4 teams in the west. Yes, overall the west is better but i think in a couple years the east will catch up especially if the Knicks and Nets get some of the free agent stars.
The Bucks are legit. They just destroyed Portland.
Meh us the Lakers beat them 2 out of 3 games.
By 43?
Haha oh crap didn’t see the final score until now.
And then they turn around and shit the bed against the Suns
Hahaha I know.
Remember those fake Laker fans calling for Luke to be sacked after 5 games, just chill and let this team gel. Top 8 finish is no probs for us.
made me feel much better about losing to the cavs on friday.
Yeah then we just lost to Magic.
Losing to the Cavs is much worse!
like jojo said, tris did say the cavs still rule the east.
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/1067418012712615936 (This is the whole song for those who missed it.)
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(Starts at 2:05. Wouldn't save the time for some reason.)
George Hill and Sam Dekker to the Bucks for Delly, John Henson and a 1st and 2nd in 2021.
Good trade for 2 reasons.
1. We needed another pg because Bledsoe or Brogdon are always on the court.
2. Saves us 18 million in cap space for next year, which is huge because Middleton and Bledsoe are both UFA
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...y-butler-trade
Who could have ever seen this coming. Jimmy Butler is such an awesome teammate to play with.
that's more about scheme than character.
Because jimmy is gonna be jimmy and do what he makes him look good and not necessarily what is best for the team.
How about jimmy goes and stands in the corner and they let the first quarter MVP continue to dominate?
the coach is dictating the style or you are somehow assuming that jimmy butler has already usurped power to make such decisions.
Giannis doesn’t play for the Sixers though.
I stand corrected.
How many teams does he need to sabotage for a coach to learn the lesson "I better do what Jimmy wants or he will tank this whole team (and my job)"?
then they just move on without him after the season ends.
did he run over your dog or something?
I mean it’s a weird statement for Joel to come out and say. Your team is second in the East. He is still looking very good (except when JV shut him down this week). You now have someone to go to at the end of games who has already hit two game winners.
I am just tired of people acting like assholes over and over and getting rewarded for it.
joel is just being honest. he's been pushed out of his comfort zone, hes trying to adjust, his numbers have dipped and then hes getting a rest day against the pistons as if him being fatigued is the issue when he thinks otherwise. so i understand his position, i just wish he hadn't made it publicly.
there's been zero indication butler is acting like an asshole here.
Lowry being ass is concerning. But I know that's just a slump or he's trying to play through an injury.
What's more concerning is that these games are close and the Raps just don't know how to finish close games. Having your second option playing at least at an average level will obviously make that easier. But it's still concerning.
Everyone focused on Kawhi's return to San Antonio forgot the real storyline.
Demar, who was the one truly betrayed, facing off against his old team. Gets his FIRST career triple-double as the Spurs absolutely routed us. Revenge was a dish best served cold indeed.
Well looks like @_me might have had the right idea
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...offensive-role
What do you think about the AD for Ben Simmons rumors recently? That seems like a win-win trade for both. Having Embiid and AD on the same team would be unreal. Almost worth being forced to have Butler as a teammate.
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/st...46863800561664
This is crazy.
by the end of the sixers game he had 200 and he sat out almost the whole fourth quarter.
yea having not watched any rockets I do fine the unassisted part of this to be pretty interesting. are they just playing iso all the time? he NEVER catches and shoots, he NEVER get passed on a break to the basket.... how is this possible?
The Houston thing is fun now but I can chalk up the fact that they're going to be pretty damn hard to count on for anything in the playoffs. Harden is a specimen in terms of conditioning if he doesn't break down or just regress in the playoffs.
How funny was Brewer though with Harden, he had the fans chanting his name in the end.
He is now at 273 straight unassisted points.
AD finally wants out. Where does everyone think he ends up?
If it's done this season, the Lakers. If it's the offseason, the Celtics move into the equation.
Pretty sure he ends up in LA. They ain’t gonna want the drama, so they won’t wait until the offseason
The Pelicans would be wise to wait until the offseason to do anything as that will bring the Celtics into the mix and they may have the best package to offer.
yea too bad about this rule that the Celtics can't trade for him until the offseason. idk what will happen, but hopefully the pelicans wait.
I would hate to see Tatum get moved but Kyrie and Davis would be quite the combo.
Gordon Hayward is having a very bad year coming off his broken ankle. I would almost feel bad for the guy if not for his giant salary. Hopefully time will help him return to form, but you wonder if that won't happen until next season.
Yeah too bad about this rule to stop a team from taking advantage of salary loopholes...
I mean he's going to end up with you guys if the Pels are smart. The Celts can offer the best package for him. And you guys will be absolutely insane next year with Kyrie and Davis.
I'm not really familiar with the rule, I know Kyrie already fills their slot of a guy they can acquire like that but I haven't read the details of the rule and I don't know its intent. But since it's stopping the Celtics from forming a new dynasty, yes it's too bad.
I don't see what the big deal is though. The C's got Kyrie because they had the best assets to trade for him. If they have the best assets again now, that's just because they've got a great GM who has been making good moves and good draft picks. Why restrict what we can do with our assets?
If anything the Lakers should be stopped from making moves since every free agent always wants to go there and they could have a monkey for GM and still get good.
This rule was put in place after the lockout of 2011. Teams were permitted to sign one and only one of their own rookie-contract players to a five-year extension, on top of the final rookie scale year by labeling them as their "designated player." Contract extensions for rookie scale contracts allow for players to receive a maximum of 25 percent of the team salary cap, which is the case for all players in the league from zero to six seasons. However, designated players can earn extensions that pay 30 percent of the salary cap per year if they perform certain acts mainly related to being named to All-Star teams. It was basically a way to help protect small market teams. Certainly not fool-proof, but a means to help ensure they had somewhat of a chance.
There’s goes Lakers young core, new I shouldn’t have got go attached to them.
If you're the Lakers, I personally think you're stupid if you don't overpay for Davis now.
A Boston fan complaining about attracting free agents. What?!?
Feel like AD closes that door before it even opens. He has no interest in signing with Boston. He wants to go to LA. That is why he made the announcement now instead of the summer when other teams would be in the mix.
It's kinda funny how the Celtics are back in flux so fast. Kyrie is a free agent at the end of the year (opt out clause). He said at the beginning of the season that he's staying here, but after a difficult first half of the season I just saw a report saying it's no guarantee. Lebron and he just made up and Lebron is seemingly courting him to come to LA via corny instagram videos.
Hayward was supposed to be one of our stars. He's not himself after the injury and younger players are restless about him blocking their playing time while he's not playing very well. He has become a trade asset rather than a fixture of our future.
And of course the AD news means that other guys like Tatum and Brown and Smart could all be on the table.
It seemed like Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and the rest were going to be the future. Now it looks like things could be VERY different next year.
And I hope they are in the sense that I hope we get AD. But Kyrie better damn well re-sign!
That's why it's never guaranteed that a younger or grittier team is going to make it back around the following year. There's way too many variables in place that can alter presumed destinations. Not to say they can't turn it around, but they're finding out it's not as easy as running things back last season. Kyrie just strikes me as a guy not ideal (at least at this stage in his career) to have as your main voice.
The NBA is such a joke with this nonsense. There won't ever be parity when guys demand where to go. Why does David have to get traded now? He couldn't wait until the offseason? And why is there such a hard on with the Lakers?
He doesn't have to get traded now, but the obvious window for him getting traded is up in less than a week and a half. If you want out, you want out. Up until this season, there really wasn't a prime attraction. Now they've got Magic and LeBron. Before it was just the location and a floundering/disorganized front office.
That's not an excuse. You have 30 games and under contact. By you saying you want out, makes it less likely the team will pull the trigger on a trade that doesn't suit them because the other teams know he wants out. He is being a little baby about it. It seems like this mostly happens in the NBA where they want to play with their buddies. This is why only 3-4 teams have a shot every year
I'm not sure how it's not an excuse lol. It's a pretty blatant one. Chemistry is a big deal and do you want your team dealing with this question every single day anytime something goes sideways, which is obviously happening a lot because they're outside of the playoff picture. That's just going to rot your team at the core. His team isn't bad but it's obviously a mess. The GM is basically done whenever this happens so its a matter of when the deal happens. This isn't a team league, it's a player league. The thing is, the Lakers are a team that has suitably adequate pieces that can facilitate a deal. This isn't like he's saying he wants to go to a team that only has one star player and that player isn't going to be put in the deal. The Lakers have young assets that can still amount to more than what they are.
This is much different than the Dennis Smith situation, which I think you're attributing the point of view towards. His camp basically let it be known that he wanted out. That instantly killed the team's bargaining power on a deal. The other teams around the league are going to lower their offer because they know Dallas is bent over the barrel. The opposing teams are in control at that point. Here, the Pelicans do have a modicum of control in terms of the timeline because the Lakers are easily the prime team to make a deal right now. In July, they will still be able to, but the Celtics will be able to then. It's not like either team is going to slowly weaken their offers. The Lakers are going to hit the Pelicans with their best offer (or they should) now. It's up to New Orleans on if they want that. Either way, Davis is gone. It's just a matter of when.
The Lakers would have to basically trade two or all three of their young players for Davis. Davis and Lebron with nobody else isn't going to make them a title contender. With 30 games left, he is demanding a trade to basically the Lakers just to play with Lebron and attract a 3rd star. It started with Lebron and the decision and then Durant and then Kyrie demanding a trade from a title contender and now this. It seems like every year there is a star demanding a trade after signing a contract.
I agree, it's a player driven league. But do they always get what they want? Kawhi made a stink like this but he didn't get shipped to a location he wanted to go. I forget where he wanted to go but it wasn't Toronto. The Pelicans have said they won't rush a trade just because AD has publicly asked for one, so hopefully they wait for the offseason.
I guess it's just a fundamental thing that a player can somewhat dictate his trade destination by saying he will or won't sign an extension in certain locations. A team that can extend him will naturally give up more. But that's not how it always plays out. Paul George didn't go where he wanted but OKC got him anyway and ended up extending him.
But yea the league has a parity problem right now for sure.
Based on what you said here, I'm failing to see what the problem is from Davis' perspective. I'm also not struggling to see why the Lakers would be hesitant to offer what you suggested. The big thing that crippled LeBron in Cleveland was he didn't show he was establishing roots. He did the year to year thing with his deals so Cleveland couldn't present a stable footing for players when they tried to do more heavy lifting than what they did. If you've got LeBron and Davis under contract for multiple years, that really changes the optics.
It just seems like everyone is a primadonna now.
It's not just Davis I have an issue with. It's every player I mentioned plus Leonard who Fro mentioned. All these stars are demanding trades and I don't think it's good for the NBA at all. That's why we get 2 super teams with 28 other teams twiddling their thumbs. If you like that type of product then that's your prerogative. I am not a fan.
That just seems like the ire needs to be directed towards the league then because the players were building their own marketability, but the league really backed that.
Davis fined 50k. Every penny is deserved
I will agree that I'm not a fan of players forcing trades, even if it did get us Kawhi for a price that we would never have had a chance at before.
Having said that I also have no qualms if a player who is free agent wants to go to a stacked team. Players get so little choice and are traded around like cattle so when they do get the choice to make a decision let them go wherever. (Like Kyrie, please leave because you always fuck the Raps)
Porzingis to the Mavs
That was quick that trade after KP said he wanted out.
Knicks get Dennis Smith Jr. and clear a bunch of salary in the reported deal, receiving the expiring contracts of DeAndre Jordan and Wesley Matthews and sending Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee to the Mavericks. The Knicks will also get a future first-round pick, according to reports.
Dallas is obviously taking a risk with Porzingis and his health but it's one you definitely go for, considering the cost. It's funny, the old front office could have drafted DSJ in 2017, one spot ahead of Dallas. Just more dysfunction for New York. The Knicks have to make good on what they're doing right now in order for it to work out.
That trade did go down very quickly. I'm one of those who believe they must have had a deal in place before the report came out and only leaked that info so the fans wouldn't crucify them for trading the unicorn.
Also I think the Raptors have to do something before the deadline. The Bucks have once again shown us that they are the better team. Toronto's window is really just this year. We need to go for it and make the Finals somehow. Otherwise things are going to be trash anyways in two years time.
If you believe that report about KP wanting a deal and then suddenly finding a deal out of thin air, then you don't know how these deals work. They clearly had been shopping him for a bit and he wasn't happy and hasn't been happy for a while. I think most teams were sorting their assets (and rightfully so) towards Davis because there's more to work with there in terms of potential and less risk than KP for health. Dallas didn't seem to be one of those teams that seem to be a fit for New Orleans' needs but were for New York. It's a pretty substantial risk in terms of future assets but if you've got the pieces in place and they're healthy, you're not looking for draft picks at that point. They're helpful to have, but Dallas will be looking to become a free agent destination...which they haven't been for a while. New York is trying to do the same as well...just with a inferior front office.
Kyrie stirring the pot today.
I really thought he was going to stay. Now I think he's going to LA or NY.
Kyrie is a great player but a terrible mouthpiece/leader for a team. He talked about how the team needed a leader earlier this season (kind of throwing shade to a small extent at a seasoned and proven vet like Horford), stepped up into the role, bickered with his teammates and then did the LeBron mea culpa (which was another shot at his teammates). He's inconsistent with his message and just not ideal for the leader role at this point.
I think his comments have been blown out of proportion. I would still put it at an 80% chance he stays here.
Even if that's the case, I brought up the stuff prior as an accompaniment to express he's high maintenance. I imagine that the idea it gets more difficult as time wears on is just as possible as it getting better.
There is the very real possibility though that Kyrie does leave and the Celtics don't get Anthony Davis and they are left with what was Gordon Hayward.
I think the probability is going up that Kyrie won't stay, I think it's pretty strong that Davis won't go there, and I don't think it's the end of the world that Hayward is "left" there. It was silly of anyone to expect he would be anything more than a shell right now. That was a traumatic injury and it takes time to get acclimated and confident. They still have assets and an ability to have their guys improve. They won't be completely empty handed.
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