NBA Thread

**AlphaBean** · May 22nd, 2003, 3:40 AM

KG could do it if he had a supporting cast like the Pistons. First off, KG alone could dominate the East. Second off, with a good team around him without the bullshit of the Joe Smith fiasco, and then Marbury, Brandon, Wally, all screwing us, plus KG's huge ass contract, KG would be a lot better than he is now.

Not a champion? He got pretty far in the West for having a shit team. The Spurs are all playing inspired ball. The Mavs can just shoot it up all day.

Put KG on the Mavs he'd win 10 rings.

/me is bitter that the Wolves suck so KG gets the blame.

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 22nd, 2003, 6:17 PM

Originally posted by moppy
Also, if what theyre saying is true, look for the wizards to get a good free agent in 2004.

What Are they saying?

**moppy** · May 22nd, 2003, 6:25 PM

Well im a wizards fan and whats happening is i forget his name at the time but theres an injured player on the wolves that plan to retire. Wizards want to trade Jahidi and Stackhouse for him and as soon as he retires, bam... they have 18 million dollars free on the salary cap. Unless they fuck this up like all the times before, this should turn out good for them

**S.H. Styles** · May 22nd, 2003, 6:33 PM

Lebron James- Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony- Cleveland Cavaliers

You heard it here first.

**moppy** · May 22nd, 2003, 6:48 PM

Lebron James- in east no matter what we need it
Carmello Anthony- Also in east

**QuietStorm** · May 22nd, 2003, 8:24 PM

Carmelo Anthony...welcome to Detroit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**P Dandy** · May 22nd, 2003, 8:27 PM

Carmelo is a established player but don't you think that Darko will benefit the Pistons better by giving Detroit a offensive presence and another big body to go along side Wallace as one of the premier front courts in the east. I just want to get feedback as to what some of you guys think even though Darko is still a wild card and has not been tested by American standards.

**QuietStorm** · May 22nd, 2003, 8:34 PM

Nah, Zeljko will be back to 100 percent next year and Memo will be one year older and better. They really need a scoring force and Joe D has made it clear he really wants a small forward.

You can't pass up on Carmelo.

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 22nd, 2003, 8:47 PM

Darko is going to Detroit.. they just said that its very doubtful he wont. Ben Wallace will move to PF. and Darko will go to Center

**them69** · May 22nd, 2003, 9:20 PM

WOW, Detroit is the luckiest team in the draft IMO. Lebron will need some time...Darko is going to be good right out of the gates.

**Croc** · May 22nd, 2003, 9:40 PM

Meh, why wouldn't they take 'Melo. He's a foward, not a guard. They can pick a rebounder up in free agency. The last thing they need is a skinny 7 footer inside. Like that's going to help their defense.

Okur is going to be pretty good inside anyway...

**TIMMY!!!!!** · May 22nd, 2003, 10:43 PM

Perfect timing for Detroit to start thinking about next year too.

**P Dandy** · May 22nd, 2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by TIMMY!!!!!
Perfect timing for Detroit to start thinking about next year too.

yup I'm starting to believe that the Nets can win it all this time around

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 22nd, 2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by EL-ASSO-WIPO
If you can't score, Having great Defense doesn't mean shit. If you hold the other team to under 90, that's relatively good. However, if you struggle to put 80 on the board yourself, then you're good D is insignificant.

**them69** · May 22nd, 2003, 11:14 PM

If the Nets didn't shoot like 20% in the 4th quarter, we might have seen those 110 points

**moppy** · May 22nd, 2003, 11:21 PM

Wow Nets are now on a 9 game streak in the playoffs....... They might possibly have a chance against the west

**Pablo Diablo** · May 23rd, 2003, 12:10 AM

Toronto Raptors. What can I say about them? It's just their most unlucky season ever. Even when they're not playing they still find a way to lose. Not getting in the top three could hurt them alot.

Hopefully TJ Ford turns out. But it's going to be tough wit his stature. Who else could we take though. Anybody. anywhere.

**Mike** · May 23rd, 2003, 12:31 AM

Going down 3-0 is a lot more comforting when you just got the 2nd pick in the draft.

The only way Darko is not going to Detroit is if they trade the pick.

Before the playoffs started it looked like Detroit needed a SF, but Tayshaun Prince has locked down that spot for the future- he's got the complete package: post skills, outside shooting, rebounding, defense, and ball handling. He's played the 1, 2, and 3 in the playoffs this year and the Nets have had to use their PF and best defender to guard him. Drafting Darko will do a number of things for their offense. 1st and formost it gives them a legitamate big man in the post, plus he's got good all-around skills like a KG and can play 3, 4, or 5. 2nd it takes pressure off of Prinson and Corliss to get their post games going against smaller guys. And the 3rd, not as obvious factor is what it will do for Ben Wallace's offense. Ben Wallace is dominant at the Center position on defense, but on the offensive end he is still only 6'9" and has trouble getting it going against the bigger opposing centers. With Darko drawing the best post defender Ben will get much better matchups inside.

I think Carmello might be a little soft for the 3 in the NBA, and he plays a lot like Rip Hamilton. The Pistons really don't need another shooter/slasher, they need a post game.

Darko worked out for Detroit today and Joe D. loved him. Many scouts think when all is said and done he will be the best player to come out of the draft. In many ways he's the European version of Keven Garnett. Very athletic and coordinated for a 7 footer, can post up centers and beat guards off the dribble, is an aggressive defender and solid rebounder, has a very high basketball IQ, and he is a pure competitor. He will fit in perfect with the Pistons.

And the the international competition in Europe is a lot stiffer than high school basketball, he's better tested than Lebron is.

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 23rd, 2003, 1:13 AM

Hahaha, weren't you talking about how the Nets/Pistons series " wasn't over yet" earlier? Now you are talking about who the pistons are going to draft. So I guess its safe to throw in the towel on the pistons then? How can the nets lose 2 games to the bucks and then sweep boston and detroit? Thats pretty amazing. I guess they got their game together now. Should be interesting to see if the Nets can go up Vs the Mavs/spurs. They are playing phenomenal ball lately.

**TheGreatest** · May 23rd, 2003, 3:33 AM

the nba rigged the draft the dont wanna see any of the top three picks to end up in Canada

**Jason_HBK** · May 23rd, 2003, 11:36 AM

I wish they would show the lottery live, that way we know it wasn't rigged. That's the way I thought it was. If the Raptors trade for what they really need, a center they will do fine this season.

The winner of the championship will come out of the west this year again.

**The_shad** · May 23rd, 2003, 11:43 AM

Denver was screwed! AGAIN!

Originally posted by them69
WOW, Detroit is the luckiest team in the draft IMO. Lebron will need some time...Darko is going to be good right out of the gates.

They have the second pick and they weren't even in the lottery. A playoff team got the 2nd pick.

Stupid trade.

Lebron might need time out of the gates, but he would command respect for a team. The big free agents this year (isn't Kidd going to be out there?) might not snub a team if they have another big name to work with (like Lebron who has a name as big as you can get out of high school).

Also remember that Darko was only 17 when he registered for the draft (thanks to a rule change regarding the draft) and he will be the youngest player out there this year.

Carmelo Anthony better do well (if he does indeed become pick #3).

**Mike** · May 23rd, 2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by EL-ASSO-WIPO
Hahaha, weren't you talking about how the Nets/Pistons series " wasn't over yet" earlier?

Yeah, well it's over now. But it's not a sweep yet.

**TIMMY!!!!!** · May 23rd, 2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by EL-ASSO-WIPO
Hahaha, weren't you talking about how the Nets/Pistons series " wasn't over yet" earlier? Now you are talking about who the pistons are going to draft. So I guess its safe to throw in the towel on the pistons then?

Hey, easy man. We just watched our boys go up in smoke where we thought it would be a close series. Thinking about next year is just looking on the bright side.

**THE WHOLE Fn SHOW** · May 23rd, 2003, 6:32 PM

Man, Raps, Raps, Raps.
Can't catch a break.

Gotta look to trade the #4 pick. There are some good players after 3, but will need 2-3 years to be effective. Obviously the Raps can't wait for that, they need instant.

Chris Bosh looks to be our pick. Sounds like a good player, but will need time to improve. If they can't find a good trade, then keep Bosh.

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 23rd, 2003, 8:56 PM

**Breaking News**

The Cleveland Cavaliers has just announced that Jeff Van Gundy is the new head coach. this is couresty of ESPN.. what do you guys think?

**moppy** · May 23rd, 2003, 10:01 PM

I think that he wont be able to turn a potential threat next year in the east into a playoff team...... they were better before.

**P Dandy** · May 23rd, 2003, 10:06 PM

As for Van gundy, I always thought he was a good coach but I can't really assess the situation in Cleveland seeing as how I don't know that much about the accomplishments of Keith Smart. ANyways, one of the priorities of Van Gundy is to keep RIcky Davis's ego in check seeing as how he will now play second fiddle to James. Van Gundy also needs to make sure Lebron keeps his confidence up because there's going to be alot of players just waiting to torch this guy namely Iverson, McGrady, Kobe, Marbury. Realize that Lebron has been playing with scrubs all his life (except for that one game with some Nba stars). Just like Yao, he's bound to hit a wall right when he enters the league and it'd probably be much worse because there are so many good guards out there compared to the number of good centers.

**Big** · May 23rd, 2003, 10:56 PM

I miss Van Gundy

He's a really good coach. I think within the next 2 years, Cleveland is going to have an amazing team.

**negatively okay** · May 24th, 2003, 1:40 AM

NO. Van Gundy is NOT the coach of the Cavaliers yet. He said he enjoyed talking to Cavs officials recently about their head coaching vacancy, but he likes his job as a television commentator and he's not "desperate" to return to coaching.

On another NBA-related news, Nowitzki got injured! Spurs all the way!!! Woo-hoo!

**Heho** · May 24th, 2003, 2:23 AM

On another NBA-related news, Nowitzki got injured! Spurs all the way!!! Woo-hoo! [/B][/QUOTE]

The injury didn't look too good.... I read that they might be thinking of benching Nowitzki for the rest of the series, as the risk isn't worth it....
True that the risk might not be worth it, but they are playing to get into the NBA finals for the first time ever.....

And unless Nash, Finley and Van Exel can really step it up... Timmy D and the Spurs are going to the finals and bringing the championship to San Antonio....

**Deven Vickerman** · May 24th, 2003, 10:07 AM

yea that fucking sucks, San Antonio is going to win for sure now with Nowitzki out, i dont think Finley/Nash/Van Exel can't do it themselves

DAMN SPURS

**Matthew** · May 24th, 2003, 1:20 PM

Originally posted by negatively okay
NO. Van Gundy is NOT the coach of the Cavaliers yet. He said he enjoyed talking to Cavs officials recently about their head coaching vacancy, but he likes his job as a television commentator and he's not "desperate" to return to coaching.

He will be named as the coach next week.

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 24th, 2003, 2:33 PM

it said on ESPN Bottom Line that they confirmed it..

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 24th, 2003, 3:23 PM

Dirk is out for the whole series? I missed the game, what happend to him?

**AlphaBean** · May 24th, 2003, 9:09 PM

I heard his ankles got broken when Tim Duncan crossed over on him.

Oh oh oh no, injured pride because he can't contain Duncan.

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 24th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Detroit lost 16 of last 18 road playoff games. Yikesss...

Anyways, Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 24th, 2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by AlphaBean
I heard his ankles got broken when Tim Duncan crossed over on him.

Oh oh oh no, injured pride because he can't contain Duncan.

I am being serious though you silly cornball.

What happend to Dirk?

**them69** · May 24th, 2003, 11:05 PM

He sprained his knee, and is doubtful for game 4, and maybe the entire series.

That was a convincing win by the Nets.

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 24th, 2003, 11:26 PM

i was very suprised that Detroit got swept.. it'll be interesting how the Nets will do against Spurs/Mavs

**Allan Phillips** · May 24th, 2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Heho

True that the risk might not be worth it, but they are playing to get into the NBA finals for the first time ever.....

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Yes I agree

And Alphabean, ehh whatever Ill save it for the Asylum.

**negatively okay** · May 25th, 2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Allan Phillips
They have been to the finals twice, slap nuts.

And Alphabean, ehh whatever Ill save it for the Asylum.

The Mavericks have never been to the NBA Finals. They've only been to the Conference finals twice, in 1988 and this year.

**Big** · May 25th, 2003, 8:25 PM

Denver and Cleveland. Within 2 or 3 years, these 2 teams will tear apart the East and West. If Cleveland drops Ricky Davis for an offensive/defensive minded player, sign Van G, and get pull a good signing, and if Denver's imports improve in the NBA, these 2 teams will be the top contenders. I'd go much more into my theory later, cuz I gtg rite now.

**The_shad** · May 25th, 2003, 8:28 PM

Nene will work out great for the Nugs (he's only going to get better) and Carmello should be great (if we don't trade him away), but I can't see Tskitashvili working out (he was just plain horrible this season) and Howard and Camby probably will flee in the first chance they get.

Cleveland will probably attract some great big names with Big Z and Lebron on the team though.

**Jason_HBK** · May 25th, 2003, 8:50 PM

I was talking with some people and one of them thinks that the Raptors will get to draft Carmello. Cleveland takes LeBron, Detroit takes the big guy who's name I can't spell, Denver won't take Carmello because they already have two guys in that position, so that leaves the Raps to take him.

I hope he was right and it works out that way.

Go Mavs!

**THE WHOLE Fn SHOW** · May 25th, 2003, 9:54 PM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
I was talking with some people and one of them thinks that the Raptors will get to draft Carmello. Cleveland takes LeBron, Detroit takes the big guy who's name I can't spell, Denver won't take Carmello because they already have two guys in that position, so that leaves the Raps to take him.

I hope he was right and it works out that way.

You gotta be kidding me.
Thats the most pathetic opinion Ive ever heard

Sorry to be Rude.

**The_shad** · May 25th, 2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
I was talking with some people and one of them thinks that the Raptors will get to draft Carmello. Cleveland takes LeBron, Detroit takes the big guy who's name I can't spell, Denver won't take Carmello because they already have two guys in that position, so that leaves the Raps to take him.

I hope he was right and it works out that way.

Go Mavs!

Well, the only way I see Denver not getting Carmello (or Milicic) is them trading their draft pick. The Nuggets do have Camby, Nene Hilario, and Howard, but I would expect Nene to be the only one who might stay when contracts expire. The other 2 never freely signed with the Nuggets. They were traded. And I don't think they want to live with our rich history of losing unless they get big money.

And Camby didn't warrant anything last year.

**Mike** · May 26th, 2003, 1:33 AM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
Denver won't take Carmello because they already have two guys in that position

Like who??? Rodney White??? Denver's going to pass on Carmello because they have a dead-weight first-round bust holdin it down at the 3?

If anything Toronto is the team that doesn't need Carmello.

And unless Cleveland gets a big time free-agent point guard like Gary Payton I can't see them doing anything any time soon. "King" James, Ricky Davis, and Darius Miles on the same squad- good on paper but those ego's are a nightmare waiting to happen. Davis and Miles collective basketball IQ is about equal to the number of playoff minutes they've seen between the two of them. If they can get someone like Payton to step in there on the first day and just slap them (Lebron included) then maybe they stand a chance. Until then, I don't see how they stand a chance against a team like Detroit who has the 2nd pick and is already one of the best teams in the east.

Denver needs more than Carmello to turn it's self around. So they'll pick up one good player, but they'll probably loose Camby and Howard so now they're back to, if not worse of than, where they started.

**S.H. Styles** · May 26th, 2003, 11:26 AM

Its official:

Wednesday, June 4th on ABC at the SBC Center:

Game 1: San Antonio Spurs/New Jersey Nets

**Jason_HBK** · May 26th, 2003, 1:25 PM

Originally posted by THE WHOLE Fn SHOW
You gotta be kidding me.
Thats the most pathetic opinion Ive ever heard

Sorry to be Rude.

Well, the only way I see Denver not getting Carmello (or Milicic) is them trading their draft pick. The Nuggets do have Camby, Nene Hilario, and Howard, but I would expect Nene to be the only one who might stay when contracts expire. The other 2 never freely signed with the Nuggets. They were traded. And I don't think they want to live with our rich history of losing unless they get big money. And Camby didn't warrant anything last year.

Nene Hilario is one of the two guys and the other one has a weird name too but wasn't one of the two you mentioned. I mean if they already have two guys in that position why would they draft Carmello.

Like who??? Rodney White??? Denver's going to pass on Carmello because they have a dead-weight first-round bust holdin it down at the 3?

If anything Toronto is the team that doesn't need Carmello.

No it wasn't Rodney White.

Oh yeah I forgot, the Raps have Mo Pete.

**Jason_HBK** · May 26th, 2003, 1:26 PM

Originally posted by Samtheman
Its official:

Wednesday, June 4th on ABC at the SBC Center:

Game 1: San Antonio Spurs/New Jersey Nets

Official my ass. This series isn't over yet. If they had Dirk for Game 4 they would have won the way they played. Dallas will play better with their backs aginst the wall.

**Big** · May 26th, 2003, 1:28 PM

OK, continuing from my previous statements about Denver and Cleveland. Both teams must make some moves, and they will have the opportunities to do so.

Denver: Teams would want Camby as long as he is healthy. When he plays healthy and gets in his groove, he's pretty fucking great. And Howard, although he has a pretty hefty contract, alot of teams in the east need someone like him; A big guy who can get a double double. And teams who can afford him will take him. Howard average 18.4ppg, 7.6rpg, 1spg, and 3 apg and played the most minutes for Denver. The Nuggets really shouldn't trade him unless they can land someone who can really help them out. The Lakers are definitly interested in Howard, along with Keon Clark and PJ Brown. Possibly a 3 team deal could land the Nuggets a player that they need, giving up Howard and Camby and Junior Harrington, and possibly landing Keon Clark and Robert Horry. They would be able to clear out big contracts for good players with cheaper contracts. Denver needs something like that to happen for them though, and they have to make it happen. Also, James Posey, unfortunately was injured most of the year. Posey is a pretty damn good player for the Nuggets and an all around player. He'll get you points, boards, assists, and steals. Granted, his shooting isn't great, but his free throw shooting is solid enough. DETROIT IS GOING FOR ANTHONY. Thus, the Nuggets get Milicic, a player who is remarkably much like Nowitzki. This guy can and will get it done for the Nuggets. Sign and trade Howard,Camby, and any other player who isn't essential for a decent small forward with experience and a shooting guard. The Nuggets can try and sign a pg this season, because they desperately need one. Howard is leading the Nug's with assists, with just over 3. Realistically, they can try and sign Kenny Anderson or Speedy Claxton. They do have Shammond WIlliams, but he wasn't with the Nuggets long enough to see how well he can work out. With Milicic and Hilario at C and PF, this team will have one of the best frontcourts. Hilario is a must for the Nuggets to succeed, as is Milicic. Shammond Williams may work out, but only time will tell. Tskitishivi will improve, don't worry, he just needs to adjust. He won't be great, but he will be good, and he will be a fucking monster. The Nuggets might not do it in 2003-04, but they will get it done in 2004-05. Talk about a scary team.

As for Cleveland, with James there now, and either Van Gundy, Brown, or Silas going to coach the Cavs, the Cavs can attract a pg that they really need. They must get rid of Ricky Davis. He's good enough right now that they can ditch him for a pg or a pf. The Cavs desperately need a veteran pg to help get this team rolling. Although Payton is unlikeley, he would be a great fit to shake things up. With Payton, James, Miles, Boozer, and Z starting, and Wagner as 6th, this team might strike gold and go back into the playoffs. Unlikely, but there is a chance. But Ricky Davis must get traded for either a pg or a pf because he isn't the future of the Cavs, and his scoring can be easily replaced. Big Z really has to take his defense up some more and fight for the boards like an animal. He needs to block more shots, and get much more aggressive. Miles is good on the D, but needs to improve his offense alot more and learn how to steal. Building a great team takes time, ask the Lakers, but it will get done. They just need to nail either a good FA or make a good trade. But they will get it done.

Watch out for Denver and Cleveland, because by the 2005 playoffs, they will be the teams going to the Finals.
-Biggie

Oh yes, the Nets will win the Finals. The Spurs will be tired, and Kidd will out play Frenchie, Martin will contain Duncan, and Jefferson will be the MVP because no one will be able to play D on him.

Well, hopefully.

**Steve_Corino_Rulz** · May 26th, 2003, 4:21 PM

I think Jeff Van Gundy is a great choice for coach, but I would have loved to see Paul Silas as the new coach.

On another note. I live in Minnesota and in the paper it said that a trade rumor is Ricky Davis and this year's 2nd rd draft pick for Wally Szerbicak. I would take that deal. People up here are getting very frusterated with Wally not stepping up.

**Mike** · May 26th, 2003, 4:35 PM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
:Nene Hilario is one of the two guys and the other one has a weird name too but wasn't one of the two you mentioned. I mean if they already have two guys in that position why would they draft Carmello.

Nene Hilario is a center. Juwan Howard is a power forward. Tskitishvili is terrible. Rodney White is Denver's starting small forward. They will take Carmello Anthony, without giving anyone else a thought. Every team in the league has two guys that play Carmello's position, same goes for every position, right now- all of Denver's small forwards suck. Carmello will help them.

Howard is leaving, he is a free agent, they can't trade for anyone. After making an ungodly amount of money with his expiring contract it's looking like he could go for the mid-level exception to try to get on a championship team.

Denver has made Gilbert Arenas their top priority in free agency.

A core of Arenas, Anthony, Camby, and Hilario could work, but they still need a capable 2 guard.

But they desperately need that point guard or they'll go nowhere once again.

Detroit will take Darko. Rasho Nesterovic and Voshon Lenord are looking like strong FA possibilities.

Oh yeah I forgot, the Raps have Mo Pete.

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And that other guy......um...... Vince Carter. I don't know who played where this season but their both small forwards. Adding another solid SF wouldn't work. Hell, Vince and Tracy couldn't get along, and they were family. Toronto was banking on Darko.

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 26th, 2003, 8:24 PM

ok i agree with Big Mike but we have a great PG in Tierre Brown he is awesome and Smush Parker.. we do need a Veteran PG and that would be phat if The Glove comes to Cleveland.. now you said a Power Foward we need.. i dont think so.. Carlos Boozer 6'9" Power-Foward and he plays like he is a 7' i said it when we got Boozer in the 2nd Round of 2002 NBA Draft he will be our Franchise.. now we can say that to 2 players. Carlos Boozer and LeBron James. LeBron might not have no MJ type rookie season but he will do off da hook. LeBron will be the Rookie of the year. LeBron and Larry Brown.. It will be phat if we get Larry Brown but i'd like to see Jeff Van Gundy in Cleveland to work on are Team D..

Onto Ricky Davis.. He does need to be traded. He isn't the franchise and should be traded for a good trade. im thinking about hell i dont know who we could trade Ricky for. But i would love to see.. Ricky Davis go to the Clippers and Quentin Richardson comes to Cleveland so D-Miles and Q-Rich can be that dynamic duo like they were in LA. also they can put Diop in there for some other Young talent on LA.

**S.H. Styles** · May 26th, 2003, 8:43 PM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
Official my ass. This series isn't over yet. If they had Dirk for Game 4 they would have won the way they played. Dallas will play better with their backs aginst the wall.

Don't get me wrong. The Dallas Mavericks are a great team, and Nowitzki is one of the best players in the league. But, the only reason they were doing good last night was because key players stepped up. If they had Nowitzki, he would have taken 20-25 shots and he would have missed most of them.

Its like God wants the spurs to win. The Kings couldn't ever beat them without Webber, the mavs can't without Nowitzki and God when Kidd was holding his ankle in game 4 I thought it was official.

**moppy** · May 26th, 2003, 10:12 PM

Ok im sorry but im going totake back what i said about a week ago..... I definatly think that nets can beat the Spurs now becasue after thinking about it, the only matchup Spurs have over Nets is Duncan vs Martin........ Parker is too young and Robinson is too old and i dont think the other will be able to contain Kittles....... just my opinion but seen as Nets have been in this situation before and they dont want a flashback of last year...... by the way samtheman brings up a scary point..... what would happen if Kidd and Duncan were to both be injured in the series that would be interesting.

**Big** · May 26th, 2003, 10:21 PM

Nets would win if Dunacn and Kidd were injured. Jefferson, Kittles, Collins, and Martin would be able to kill the Spurs. Thats why I like the Nets chances against the Spurs. The Spurs have Duncan and Parker and ol D-Rob. The Nets is like a well oiled engine from a 2003 Benz. They're young, they're hot now(not in a sexual way u sick freaks, but as in they're on fire 10-0), they're fast, and they're strong. The Nets are on a roll, and have more time off then the Spurs/Mavs do. I really think the Nets can pull this off. They have the heart, and if they do lose in the first game, they have to keep going and never lose hope. Kidd will lead them to their salvation, and kidd will resign and take them back.

**them69** · May 27th, 2003, 1:47 AM

Not to mention, K-Mart vs. Duncan isn't exactly a one-sided matchup. K-Mart is a great defender, and he will score his 15-20 ppg. Duncan will also get his, but I don't think Martin will let him be quite the impact player. The Spurs will have to get huge contributions from their other guys. Richard Jefferson did NOT have a good series against Detriot...yet the Nets 0wned. If he has a very good series, and if Kittles has a streak of really good shooting, this is going to be a hell of a matchup. I'm really looking forward to these finals, cause I think it will be a really great series.

Oh yeah, and the Mavs aren't coming back. If they do you all have permission to punch me in the face till my teeth are all gone.

**fear is the mindkiller** · May 27th, 2003, 12:24 PM

Detroit will take Darko.

I dunno... I mean yea everybody's saying that Darko is going to Detroit, but in most cases it is logical to go with the player that is more marketable, like Carmello. Darko is a somewhat shaky investment while Carmello has already proved what he can do by taking an unranked team in the pre-season and leading them to the title. And I've never seen Darko play before so my opinion is somewhat biased right now. Detroit is severely lacking in the paint, with Wallace as the center and being 6'7". If the Pistons do get Darko, I say move Wallace to power forward and have Okur develop his skills more in the off season so as to compliment Darko.

**TIMMY!!!!!** · May 27th, 2003, 3:11 PM

Yes, and having said that, Detroit will take Darko.

I think the current plan is to move Wallace to PF so he can just do what he does best and then either play Okur or Darko as center.

**S.H. Styles** · May 27th, 2003, 3:26 PM

Just to say, in 5 or 6 years Tony Parker will be the best point guard in the league.

**Croc** · May 27th, 2003, 3:45 PM

Right behind Steve Francis, Andre Miller, Jay Williams, and Mike Bibby. Am I missing anyone else?

**Full_Blooded_Italian** · May 27th, 2003, 5:16 PM

Tierre Brown who is on the Cavaliers

**moppy** · May 27th, 2003, 6:23 PM

Just to say, in 5 or 6 years Tony Parker will be the best point guard in the league.

Menwhile, he is on the best team he will probably ever be on, sucking arse. He takes half the shot clock getting the ball up the court. No offense to him or others, but he hasnt met a chaleenge yet like Jason Kidd. They say yeah Tony has a better scoring average, well look at his competition half the time. I gaureentee every time this year Spurs faced theNts Kidd had a better scoring average then Parker. Its going to be very interesting to see if Duncan and Kidd cancel each other out. And I dont care if Mutombo is rusty we need him more than Collins.

**Big** · May 27th, 2003, 8:04 PM

Kidd is gonna rip Parker limb from limb. If teh Nets were playing Dallas, the Nets would have a much harder time because Dallas has Exel and Nash, and that would be pretty tough on Kidd playing D on 2 quality pg's. But SA only has Parker who is more of a shooting guard then point, and Kidd will take him to school. Kidd is a thousand times better then Parker, in every which way. Parker is a shooting guard, and when it comes down to the final seconds in the game, Kidd will knock down the baskets that count, while Parker will choke. K-Mart is much more of a defensive player which is why Duncan would have a hard time with him. If Martin played Nowtizki, Nowitzki wouldn't play again after game 1

Nowitzki has no D, just Offense. PLus, with Collins greatly improving, and if Jefferson starts knocking down the important shots, the Nets are taking this in 5 or 6.

**Big** · May 27th, 2003, 8:14 PM

Originally posted by Samtheman
Just to say, in 5 or 6 years Tony Parker will be the best point guard in the league.

OK, Kidd isn't leaving in 6 years. In 6 years, Kidd will still be playing awesome, think Stockton and Payton combined. Parker will be behind : Kidd, Baron Davis, Marbury, Francis, Bibby, Jason Williams, possibly Jay Williams depending on the next 2-3 years, Andre Miller, Troy Hudson, and possibly a few rookies not here yet. Parker is good, but nothing special.
So don't hold your breath. It's like saying that in the next 5 years, Wally Sczerniak will hold the scoring title 2 times. He's good, but nothing special.

**AlphaBean** · May 28th, 2003, 5:02 AM

Originally posted by IbiggmikeI

OK, Kidd isn't leaving in 6 years. In 6 years, Kidd will still be playing awesome, think Stockton and Payton combined. Parker will be behind : Kidd, Baron Davis, Marbury, Francis, Bibby, Jason Williams, possibly Jay Williams depending on the next 2-3 years, Andre Miller, Troy Hudson, and possibly a few rookies not here yet. Parker is good, but nothing special.
So don't hold your breath. It's like saying that in the next 5 years, Wally Sczerniak will hold the scoring title 2 times. He's good, but nothing special.

Wally is the highest percentage perimiter shooter in the league. He just can't play defense or dribble the ball. If the Wolves had like, Andre Miller or a good passing PG, Wally could easily go 35 a night.

If he would only shoot more.

But yeah, who knows how good Parker will become? You also have to consider all the people he's behind in development.

Also, Hudson ain't so good. Good backup, like Bobby Jackson, but that's about it eh.

**Mike** · May 28th, 2003, 1:22 PM

Originally posted by fear is the mindkiller
in most cases it is logical to go with the player that is more marketable, like Carmello.

Maybe for a struggling franchise, but it's different this year since Detroit is already a title contender. They don't need the marketing, they already lead the league in attendence. People are hesitant about Darko because they haven't seen him play, fair enough. He might not be hot out of the gate but he has great potential to be a domination big man, and in the NBA it's dominating big men that win championships, not flashy small forwards.

Besides, I really don't think Carmello is all that great. He's capable, but he is NOT the next Tracy McGrady. I have a feeling he'll be more like the next Shawn Respert. Carmello had a good regular season with Syracuse, he's a good slasher but he has a pretty inconsistent jump shot- then he plays great in the tournament and wins a national championship. Carmello Anthony is being heralded as the second coming because of two games where as Darko is being written off because of European stereotypes. And I'd be willing to bet the European professional leagues that Darko has been playing in since he was 15 have a lot stiffer competition than 90% of the schools in the watered-down NCAA (which the draft has destroyed).

As far a Detroit goes, I don't think it's even really a question. They worked Darko out the day of the lottery last week and were very pleased. And they're working him out again today, we'll have to see how that goes.

**them69** · May 28th, 2003, 2:34 PM

I wouldn't exactly call Detriot a title contender. They overachieved like no one's business this year...who is to say they'll do it next year?

They were one of the weaker #1 seeds in recent memory IMO.

Still, Darko is a much better choice for them.

**EL-ASSO-WIPO** · May 28th, 2003, 9:04 PM

Well said, them69. How the hell are you going to call detroit a title contender when they had one good season? And their post season was not that great. The EAST was very weak this year and unpredicatable. The only team that was consistent was the Nets and they are now in the finals. The pacers had their good times, the sixers as well, and so did the pistons. I honestly think the 76ers had a better team then detriot but detroit posed matchup problems for the sixers and thus they advanced. Had the sixers beaten the pistons, I believe the Nets would have not swept.

**Croc** · May 28th, 2003, 9:27 PM

The Nets would have beaten the Sixers pretty easily I'm sure. You can count on Iverson for at least one win usually, even against superhuman odds, but I don't think it would've gone past 5. There wasn't a team in the east that could hang with the Nets. In fact I'm beginning to think there aren't many teams in the west either with the way they're playing. The Kings w/Webber would've blown them apart. Maybe the Lakers because of NJ's lack of a giant inside. But Dallas and San Antonio will be presented with the problem of stopping their up tempo offense and hard nosed defense. Duncan will get his points, but he won't shoot 70% on NJ like he has been against the Mavs. That's the biggest reason they were dominating. No one could deny Duncan and he was consistently getting easy shots. There won't be as many of those against the Nets, and Duncan's extra shots are going to keep any of their guards from getting in any consistent rhythm. Remember, Jason Kidd has always been a good defender, and Bowen and Parker (whoever he's matched up on) isn't going to have free reign.

San Antonio's offense is firing on all cylinders against a weak Dallas D. Let them try it against a team that actually plays on both ends.

Oh wait did I just make it sound like I was picking the Nets...

Spurs in 7

**Jason_HBK** · May 28th, 2003, 11:02 PM

Man do you people overrate the Nets. Whoever comes out of the west will handle the Nets. The Nets need more to win a championship.

Detroit has a good team and got the number 1 seed in the east. Then they battled back after being counted out and won their series. They met their match against the Nets but the games could have gone either way. We could very easily be watching the Pistons play the winner of the west. With Darko they will only gte better. Definately a title contender.

**fear is the mindkiller** · May 29th, 2003, 9:16 AM

Dude, the Pistons are one player away from being a serious title contender. The only reason why they had a medicore season this year was because the players needed time to gel with one another. Now that they have that playoff experience on their side and Darko coming into the fold I say in 2 years the Pistons will be champs.

**Mike** · May 29th, 2003, 2:13 PM

Originally posted by EL-ASSO-WIPO
How the hell are you going to call detroit a title contender when they had one good season? And their post season was not that great.

I honestly think the 76ers had a better team then detriot but detroit posed matchup problems for the sixers and thus they advanced. Had the sixers beaten the pistons, I believe the Nets would have not swept.

One good season? Since Rick Carlisle took over two years ago they have regular season record of 100-64. The only other person to post 100 wins in his first two years as a head coach is Pat Riley. Expecially impressive considering they were a lottery team before Carlisle came. They were a 1 seed this year and 2 seed last year. One good season my ass, Joe Dumars has assembled a group of players with unlimited potential and we've only begun to see the start of it.

Not a great playoffs? They posted one of the greatest comebacks in Playoff history to make the EC finals. They had a better playoffs than 12 other playoff teams. And any team in the Conference finals is a title contender.

76ers better than Detroit? Detroit beat them in 6 without their best offensive player. Tayshaun Prince, a rookie who played in only 40 regular season games shut down both Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson when defending them. He hit a game winner against Philly. He's the first player in NBA history to score more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Imagine how good he'll be next year when he has an ACTUAL season of playing time under his belt. He was essentially a rookie going into the playoffs and the Nets had to use Kenyon Martin to shut him down.

If Chauncey Billups hadn't been injured, if a rebound or a free-throw bounces a differant way, if a whistle is blown the other way- we are looking at a completely different series. Yeah, the Nets swept, but it was much different than the Boston sweep. Detroit wasn't at full strength and the Nets are not THAT much of a better team.

And with the #2 pick, the Pistons will be the team to beat next year.

**Mike** · May 29th, 2003, 2:15 PM

A Darko article from ESPN

Darko Recieves Ringing Endorcement
By: Chad Ford

DETROIT -- Meet Will Robinson.

Robinson is the assistant to the president of basketball operations for the Pistons. He is the NBA's oldest scout, at the ripe age of 92. He has been inducted into 24 Halls of Fame. He has coached the likes of Doug Collins and Spencer Haywood. He was the first African-American head coach in the history of NCAA Division I basketball.

And if you listen to him, he invented such things as the full-court press and the fast break.

It's tough to find anyone who's been around long enough to dispute that.

You've heard of six degrees of separation? Robinson plays about three. Rumor here in Detroit has it that he cut the hole in James Naismith's peach basket.

He comes to work every day, watches game film and never misses a workout. Robinson has sat through the Pistons' draft workouts for the past 28 years, witnessing the auditions of Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman and Grant Hill.

Dumars, now the Pistons president, smiles when he sees Robinson walk onto the court Wednesday in preparation for Darko Milicic's individual workout. Call him a comfort blanket.

"Let me tell you something about Will Robinson," Dumars says. "He's seen it all. You can't fool Will Robinson. Nothing gets by him."

Robinson's a little early today for a reason. He's a late-comer on the international bandwagon. He has listened to the talk radio hosts and local writers imploring the Pistons to take Carmelo Anthony over Milicic. Like the rest of them, he has yet to see the young Yugoslavian in person.

"In the past, when we brought in the guys from overseas, Will would sit there, shake his head and say 'Send him back ... he needs to spend more time in the oven,' " Dumars says with a laugh.

Robinson takes his seat courtside, crosses his legs and stares Darko down as he begins warming up. For the next 45 minutes, his eyes never leave the 7-footer.

“ He's going to own the game. Own the game. We're going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is a woman. ” — Will Robinson, on Darko Milicic

From agility exercises (Darko ranks in the top 15 percent) to tests that gauge lateral quickness (Darko ranks in the top 2 percent), vertical jump (a little above average) and upper and lower body strength (OK on the first, above average on the second), Robinson is watching Milicic's every movement.

It isn't until Milicic picks up a basketball and starts effortlessly draining NBA-range 3-pointers (remember, his coach in Yugoslavia wouldn't let him take European 3s, let alone from the NBA distance) that Robinson begins speaking up. He doesn't stop talking until well after the workout.

"We hit the jackpot," Robinson says with a smile. "Jackpot!"

Milicic moves into the post and begins hitting jump hooks, first with his left hand. Then with his right. Robinson can't tell whether Milicic is left- or right-handed. That's a good thing.

"How'd that boy learn to shoot with both hands?" he asks.

Interesting story. Milicic was born left-handed, but his parents and teachers encouraged him to do everything with his right hand. He shoots 3s with his left, signs autographs with his right and handles the ball equally with both.

"That's just unfair. Very few players can do that."

At one point, a clearly exhausted Milicic bends over and, for a moment, looks like he can't go on. He sips a glass of water, slaps his hands together and gets back on the court.

"Did you see the way he just gutted that out?" Robinson says. "That's the type of kid you want to coach. If I was coaching him, we'd go to the moon."

Soon Darko is running the floor, handling the ball on the break and finishing with thundering dunks.

"He's going to own the game. Own the game," Robinsons exclaims. "We're going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is a woman."

Another big dunk, and Robinson gets up from his chair and begins walking toward Dumars.

"I've seen all I need," he says.

"Take him," he screams at Dumars.

The Pistons aren't through with Milicic yet. After lunch with Dumars and Co., Milicic is back at the workout facility receiving his homework assignments from strength and training coach Arnie Kander.

Kander isn't taking the usual approach to tall, skinny Europeans. Over the few hours since Darko's audition, Kander has been devising a workout plan for the kid that will get him up to speed for minicamp.

Milicic and his agent, Semi Pajovic, have asked for the help. Until now, Milicic has been living on a steady diet of 200 push-ups and 300 sit-ups per day.

Kander's plan calls for no weight lifting, fewer push-ups and zero protein supplements. Kander is blown away by what he calls "Darko's tremendous gift of speed."

"He's got a naturally strong body," Kander says. "I don't want him to bulk up. If he does that, he'll lose that quickness he's been blessed with. I just want him to get a little stronger, work on his base and improve his flexibility. I love his body for a 17-year-old. I just want to let it grow."

Kander prescribes a number of exercises meant to give Milicic upper body strength, better balance and more explosiveness in his jumping ability.

“ That kid's going to be a star. He's a 7-footer that plays like a point guard. That kid's something special. ” — Will Robinson

He also gives him a tip or two about rebounding by pulling a page out of Ben Wallace's book. The key to Wallace's rebounding prowess, according to Kander, is the way he always keeps his arms bent. It allows him to free himself from defenders and get to the ball quicker. Kander shows Milicic exercises that will get him in the right position to rebound. Nothing like learning from the best.

"He has all of the physical tools to exceed," says Kander, who has been testing draft prospects for the Pistons the last 10 years. "My job is to teach him how to use them."

Kander lectures Milicic on everything from posture to shooting form to push-up positions. Darko eats it up. He had nothing even remotely close to this in Yugoslavia. Kander promises that if Milicic faithfully follows the regime four times a week, he'll be in NBA shape by the start of summer league.

After the workout, Milicic measures out bigger than expected: 7-foot-1, 253 pounds.

Robinson has found religion.

"I've seen a lot of kids come through here in my day," Robinson says. "And none of them have ever played like that. That kid's going to be a star. He's a 7-footer that plays like a point guard. That kid's something special."

From the looks on the faces of the rest of the Piston brass and assistant coaches, they're on the same page.

"Welcome to the Pistons, young fella," Robinson tells Darko after the workout. "Ain't youth a wonderful thing?"

Yes it is. Like just about anything else Robinson says, it's awfully hard to argue with 92 years of experience.

In a league that can be swayed by the whims of trends and fleeting success stories, it's nice to have an anchor that keeps the ship from straying too far beyond shore.

Will Robinson is sold on Darko Mililic. The question, for the unbelievers still out there, is why aren't you?

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I am perfectly content to "pass up" Carmello.

**them69** · May 29th, 2003, 2:42 PM

Originally posted by Mike
One good season? Since Rick Carlisle took over two years ago they have regular season record of 100-64. The only other person to post 100 wins in his first two years as a head coach is Pat Riley. Expecially impressive considering they were a lottery team before Carlisle came. They were a 1 seed this year and 2 seed last year. One good season my ass, Joe Dumars has assembled a group of players with unlimited potential and we've only begun to see the start of it.

Not a great playoffs? They posted one of the greatest comebacks in Playoff history to make the EC finals. They had a better playoffs than 12 other playoff teams. And any team in the Conference finals is a title contender.

76ers better than Detroit? Detroit beat them in 6 without their best offensive player. Tayshaun Prince, a rookie who played in only 40 regular season games shut down both Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson when defending them. He hit a game winner against Philly. He's the first player in NBA history to score more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Imagine how good he'll be next year when he has an ACTUAL season of playing time under his belt. He was essentially a rookie going into the playoffs and the Nets had to use Kenyon Martin to shut him down.

If Chauncey Billups hadn't been injured, if a rebound or a free-throw bounces a differant way, if a whistle is blown the other way- we are looking at a completely different series. Yeah, the Nets swept, but it was much different than the Boston sweep. Detroit wasn't at full strength and the Nets are not THAT much of a better team.

And with the #2 pick, the Pistons will be the team to beat next year.

If Billups wasn't injured? How about if Jefferson and Kittles actually had a decent series? Kittles might have scored over his average once, and Jefferson didn't touch what he had been doing in prior series. Detriot gave up 100 points 9 times this year or something right? The Nets scored 100 on them in game 4, and nearly in game 3 -- minus the 2-for-20 4th quarter, most of those wide open shots.

I would never call just any old team in the conference finals a title contender. Hell I would hesitate to call the 2001-02 Nets a title "contender"...sure they got to the finals, but we all know who was going to win. They were overmatched in every sense of the word. No one in the East last year were title contenders. But it is different this year.

I am not going to argue that Detroit is a bad team, because they're not....but they overachieved like it was nobody's business this year. Who do they have on that team that is a star? Other than Wallace, who is all D, there's really no one. They counted on the team game to get them where they were, and that is great. Nothing is more fun than watching good team basketball. But D and the team game can only take you so far if you don't have the players, as we saw in the conference finals. Detroit has unlimited upside, especially with Darko coming in, but it wasn't their time to shine yet, and they proved that four straight games.

So to say the Nets really aren't THAT much better? Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I highly disagree. True colors show when it's time to battle the best.

And right now both teams in the West are showing their weaknesses...and not so coincidentally, for the Nets, those are strengths...defense for Dallas, and 4th quarters for the Spurs.

Spurs will win...:

Nets in 7.

**moppy** · May 29th, 2003, 3:50 PM

And with the #2 pick, the Pistons will be the team to beat next year.

Doubt it, I mean Pistons are decent, but you cant rely on a rookie to get you from being swept all the way to being the team to beat. Next year is going to be weaker considering I tihink the Kings will be weaker, Lakers have been going downhill for some time and were lucky 2 years ago when they won their 3rd..... Spurs are losing 2 people, and Jazz lost their men so next year is going to be a tough call. I know Nets have about a 50/50 chance of winning it all this year, but if they stay intact and no injuries, I think theyll be the best team next year and for the first time in a while the east might equalize the west....... However, if they dont fall apart, the Pistons will be a serious threat in 2-3 years

**Croc** · May 29th, 2003, 4:58 PM

Originally posted by moppy
Doubt it, I mean Pistons are decent, but you cant rely on a rookie to get you from being swept all the way to being the team to beat. Next year is going to be weaker considering I tihink the Kings will be weaker, Lakers have been going downhill for some time and were lucky 2 years ago when they won their 3rd..... Spurs are losing 2 people, and Jazz lost their men so next year is going to be a tough call. I know Nets have about a 50/50 chance of winning it all this year, but if they stay intact and no injuries, I think theyll be the best team next year and for the first time in a while the east might equalize the west....... However, if they dont fall apart, the Pistons will be a serious threat in 2-3 years

Huh? The Spurs are losing Robinson to retirement, which will free up enough cap room for them to bring in another all-star to compliment Duncan. If all goes to plan, they'll get Jermaine O'Neal. If not, they still have absurd amounts of cap room for a team coming off a probable NBA title. That translates out to something quite scary: the Spurs best days may be ahead of them.

As for the Kings, they'll still be up there. They would've throttled the Spurs had Webber and Jackson stayed healthy.

The Lakers will probably be at the same level they are this year. Fox getting hurt hurt them more than they let on, because they were already in a desperate balance for scoring. Losing him left Horry and Fisher to carry an even heavier load, and Horry for once actually buckled under pressure. But keep in mind that they'll have Shaq back to speed at the begining of the season and probably another good player from free agency.

And Detroit's future will be bright in about 2 more years when Wallace and Milicic are both matured. It'll take an 18 year-old a couple years to adjust, no matter how long he's played in the pros. If they can keep their core intact, they'll be contending with the west in no time.

Also look for the Cavs to move out of the celler and into second or third to last place next year. But they'll lead the league in attendence thru the first two weeks!

**S.H. Styles** · May 29th, 2003, 4:58 PM

I swear. If Antonio Mcdyess doesn't get injured again, the Knicks will make the playoffs. I heard they are trading Harrington and Ward for the Rapotors #4 pick. If they do that, and the dumbass Scot Layden actually picks that fresh, good point guard(forgot his name) The Knicks will at least make the playoffs, and at the max make the conference finals.

**them69** · May 29th, 2003, 5:45 PM

Well the Knicks are my team, and I think had Dyess been there, and if Spree hadn't busted his hand, they would have been in the playoffs this year for sure. I don't think they would have gotten beyond the first round, but they would have been there. I think Cheaney has done about a good a job as anyone could do given his woefully ill-equipped team. Layden is a jackass, and his ONLY good move has been sticking with the Don.

**Mike** · May 29th, 2003, 6:39 PM

I meant they'll be the team to beat in the East.

And whether or not you feel you have a chance to win, if you are in the conference finals you are in title contention.

What if Jefferson and Kittles had a good series? Getting shut down is a lot different than being physically limited. Jefferson had a bad series because of Prince had him in foul trouble the entire time. Kittles didn't score a ton because the offense was running completely through Martin in the post, capitalizing on the Pistons inability to rebound. Chauncy Billups had limited lateral movement and no lift on his jump shot because of badly sprained ankle.

I'm not trying to say the Nets weren't the better team, because I feel they are. But they are not so much better that the Pistons didn't have a legitamate chance, and under normal circumstances they are definately not a sweep better.

Detroit didn't overachieve anything. They performed beyond expectations, yes, but they didn't overachieve. People say they lack star power, they lack big names but who cares? Chauncy Billups, when faced with elimination hung 40 on Orlando to force game 7. Tracy McGrady vowed to shut him down personally the next game and he hung 37 on McGrady. He hit more game winning shots than anyone in the league this year and he's a solid defender. Rip Hamilton averaged the same points per 48 as Iverson and shot a higher percentage. If anything the Pistons have proved you don't need big names and big hype, you just need guys who will go out and get it done. They play a team oriented game but there are still some missing pieces to that team. They deperately need a post precense and another big guy that can actually rebound. That's where Darko comes in. He doesn't have to worry about the pressure of carrying a team like Lebron does. There is already a role carved out in the team for Darko to play. They don't even need Darko to put up all star numbers. The biggest (and I'd go as far as saying ONLY) reason the Nets beat the Pistons is they were absolutely dominant on the boards. If he could just come in and get just 8-10 rebounds per game they will be a much much better team for it. Cliff Robinson averaged 12 points and 3.9 rebounds. I don't think Darko will have any problem improving on that. He doesn't have to worry about doing all the rebounding, that's what Ben is for. He doesn't have to worry about carrying the team offensively, that's what their backcourt is for. The Pistons don't need a savior like Cleveland and Denver do, and Darko won't have the pressure of trying to be a savior. He just needs to be a contributor, and by the time next years playoffs come around he could already be a major factor.

Nets were the better team this year. But I guarantee no team is more excited about the future than Detroit. At 28 years old, Ben Wallace looks to be the old man of the starting line-up next year. There is no place this team can go but up.

So congratulations to New Jersey for winning the East. But I fully expect them to get rolled by San Antonio.

**Big** · May 29th, 2003, 9:23 PM

June 10th, 2003:

Courtesy of Biggie'sFutureNews.com:

The New York Knicks looking to add youth to their team sign Mark Jackson and signing former retired Robert Parish to 17.5 million dollar contracts each.
Scott Layden then trades fully healthy Antonio McDyess, Allan Houston, and Sprewell to the Raptors for Yinka Dare, Ed O'Banon, and Blue Edwards.
Scott Layden said, "Well, many consider this a risky move, but I consider it a wise investment. Robert Parish and Mark Jackson add youth to our team, and Yinka Dare, Ed O'Bannon, and Blue Edwards are about to be break out stars. I am also pursuing Frederic Weis to a multimillion dollar contract to add some strength to our team."
Scott Layden is an asshole. You heard it here first.
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June 13th, 2004. NBA Finals:
Antonio McDyess, Spree, and Houston lead the Raptors to a total sweep of every game they played in the playoffs. The Raptors sweep the Spurs, 4-0, winning by 50 points each game.
Scott Layden's Knicks went 0-82, losing by as much as 140 points in one game, and scoring only 2 points in another game. Scott Layden signed Don Chaney to a contract extension, and is still convinced Yinka Dare will be a break out star soon enough. Scott Layden is now rumored to be pursuing always injured star, Grant Hill. Scott Layden signed Chaney to another contract extension as we speak.
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Oh it's true

**them69** · May 29th, 2003, 9:28 PM

You could argue that Jefferson was never able to get into a rhythm because of foul trouble, but he was missing layups and wide open shots a lot of the time. Tayshaun Prince, as far as I saw in the games, wasn't directly responsible for drawing a lot of those fouls anyway. Kittles didn't score very much because he wasn't hitting much. In Game 2 he was 0-4. In Game 3 he was 3-9. The only game he shot over 50% was Game 4. His high score for the series was 9. Both guys just didn't have it last series. I was screaming at the TV for the amount of open shots they missed.

I know it seems like I'm bashing Detroit, but I'm really not. I agree with you, that they will be the team to beat in the East soon. I think them and the Nets (after Kidd signs his $106 mil contract to stay in Jersey

) are gonna have a lot of memorable playoff battles. Not to mention that Richard Hamilton is one of my favorite players in the league...he was one guy that really showed up in the series, and everything about him screams hustle and effort. But anyway.

**S.H. Styles** · May 29th, 2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Jason_HBK
Official my ass. This series isn't over yet. If they had Dirk for Game 4 they would have won the way they played. Dallas will play better with their backs aginst the wall.

I take that back man. Series will soon be tied 3-3

**Allan Phillips** · May 29th, 2003, 11:19 PM

O shit wats up with my mavs

**TIMMY!!!!!** · May 30th, 2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by moppy
Doubt it, I mean Pistons are decent, but you cant rely on a rookie to get you from being swept all the way to being the team to beat.

I see what you're saying, but just wait man. I think it'll really fuel the team since Wallace can move to PF and just focus on defense. Billups will be back and Hamilton will likely too. I think Detroit will dominate the east.

**Joel** · May 30th, 2003, 8:48 AM

Originally posted by Mike
The biggest (and I'd go as far as saying ONLY) reason the Nets beat the Pistons is they were absolutely dominant on the boards.

Dude, it was a sweep. The last 2 games weren't even close. I doubt that solid rebounding is the ONLY reason they won FOUR GAMES IN A ROW.

**Mike** · May 30th, 2003, 10:38 AM

It wasn't just solid rebounding. It was DOMINATING rebounding. In game 4 alone they outrebounded them by almost 30 boards, and I don't even know how many second chance points came out of that. It doesn't matter who you are playing, if you get 30 more rebounds than the other team it's almost impossible NOT to win.

**S.H. Styles** · May 30th, 2003, 3:32 PM

Oh shit that was cool last night. I wanted it to go to Game 7 so I was rooting for Dallas, and then it became 71-58 Mavs.The Spurs instantly went on a 21-0 run and it was 79-71 in 6 minutes.

Oh well, Tony Parker rules!

**Mike** · May 30th, 2003, 6:08 PM

No, Steve Kerr rules. That guy is the coolest. Him and Bowen combining for 0 points isn't exactly the type of production you want out of your starters. Good thing that manly Steve Kerr stepped up for 12 points in 13 minutes.

**Allan Phillips** · May 30th, 2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Samtheman

Oh well, Tony Parker rules!

Too bad he might be replaced by Kidd.

**Big** · May 31st, 2003, 1:45 AM

Steve Kerr was awesome last night. Saves the game, again. This is why teams need players like him on their roster. When you are getting behind in the game, or the game is close, you need a sharpshooter to knock down the 3's one after the other to get you guys a solid lead. Kerr is awesome, just hope he doesn't pull this again with the Nets.

**Mike** · May 31st, 2003, 11:59 AM

Rick Carlisle just got fired, how unexpected is that.

Joe D. must have Larry Brown in his pocket or else I really don't understand this.

**Croc** · May 31st, 2003, 1:37 PM

Either way I don't understand the thinking behind this. Dumars must've gotten a big head with all the talk about him being the savior of the Detroit franchise with his whirlwind of great trades and draft aquisitions, but firing a guy who in two years has done more for your team with less than any other coach in the league is crazy. Especially with a guy like Darko coming in. He must think Detroit needs a hall-of-fame coach to get to the next level, when really all they needed was one more big man who could put the ball in the basket.

**Mike** · May 31st, 2003, 2:06 PM

I don't know how I feel about all this. Although, they have said Larry Brown will indeed be hired on Monday.

A lot of people don't like the way Carlisle has handled rookies. With Tayshaun Prince not getting any playing time until the playoffs where he was an obvious contributor, and Mehmet Okur only getting time because of Rebraca's injury. There were also some baffling rotation decisions- such as Michael Curry playing (let alone starting 70 some games) and giving Cliff Robinson heavy minutes over Okur, not playing Jon Barry enough, forgetting about Corliss Williamson in the playoffs. I've been able to accept a lot of this simply because they were winning games. But the stubornness and conservative attitude kind of caught up to him in the playoffs.

Larry Brown was a great college coach and is great at getting the most out of young players, and the Pistons will be one of the youngest teams in the league next year.

I don't know. Definately a very gutsy move and there may be more behind it than we know. Either way Carlisle is still a great coach and after seeing how he turned the Pistons around I'd imagine there will be a number of teams lining up for him.

**Mike** · May 31st, 2003, 2:38 PM

Here's what I take from the press conference:

Rick Carlisle did nothing wrong, they just see Larry Brown as an improvement and the perfect guy to lead their young team.

Last week Dumars had said on the radio that Carlisle would be back and he doesn't see any reason for him to not be. At the press conference he called it an "internal decision" that suggests it was the front office that made this decision. Joe seemed sorry almost remorsefull about the decision and Carlisle was very understanding, even adding "if you think Joe fired me to bring in a stiff, then you're nuts. He's going to bring in a big name guy."

I highly doubt this was solely Joe Dumars decision.

Maybe Rick rubbed some of the other top brass the wrong way and they decided they couldn't pass on an opportunity to get Larry Brown.

Between the Pistons, Lions, Wings, and Tigers. There head coaches now combine for about 1.25 seasons of coaching in Detroit.

**Big** · May 31st, 2003, 4:09 PM

This sounds dumb, but does anyone know how much it would cost to create a franchise team?? Millions? Billions??

**Croc** · May 31st, 2003, 5:23 PM

Specify what you mean. To create a new franchise like what Charlotte is getting next year? Because creating simply means buying into ownership, which probably costs around 200-300 million. First they have to vote on expansion. If it's a go, then they decide the city. Usually it's a city willing to provide a new arena and in a reasonable market. Then the NBA choses who can buy it (it isn't top bidder) and that person either builds or raises the funds to build the arena. Then the franchise moves into the city at the end of the NBA season.

I'm in the dark as to how the draft posistion is determined though...

**The_shad** · May 31st, 2003, 5:50 PM

Originally posted by Croc
I'm in the dark as to how the draft posistion is determined though...

If I'm not mistaken, they would get first pick in any other league. Instead, here I think they are entered into the lottery with the highest chance of getting the first pick (25%) and the worst team of the season (Nuggets?) get the second highest chance and so on.

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