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November 16th, 2002, 5:44 AM
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The Album! THE BEST ALBUM!
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Now this is metal, after a half metal release, yes thanx guys, I've decided to go back to THE ALBUM of the 90's
What an album, I can't believe that some people only like the first two tracks, hangar and Holy Wars, even though the album is worth the however much you pay for those 13 minutes alone.
Now a backstory, Dave Mustaine formed 'Deth back in 85, by 86 he already had a damn fine album out in Peace Sells, and a solid album in So Far, Soo Good, So What? (2nd best 'deth album IMO), Metallica had Puppets, Ride, Kill (1/2 of it was co-written by Dave) and Justice.
1. Holy Wars... The Punishment Due (6:36)
2. Hangar 18 (5:14)
3. Take No Prisoners (3:28)
4. Five Magics (5:42)
5. Poison Was The Cure (2:58)
6. Lucretia (3:58)
7. Tornado of Souls (5:22)
8. Dawn Patrol (1:50)
9. Rust In Peace... Polaris (5:36)
Total playing time: 40 m. 44 s.
Now Holy Wars, you could have an album just with this song repeated 8 times, you'd still have a brilliant album thats how much this song kicks, it's heavy, it's fast and it's always relevant.
The first Chorus of the album:
Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand
Still rings true in today's society, even much more after the 9/11 attacks and whatever acts you choose to give religious fanatics.
It's sets a precident for the album, one which is kept up for the entire album (bar the ok dawn patrol: more on that later)
Hangar, follows exactly where Holy Wars finished. It's got more of a punk, rawer feel to the song but still is really polished. The album cover takes off from this track, with the song being about the Roswell incident back in the 40's.
Take No Prisoners, the album just keeps going, if decent musicmanship lead directly to album sales and single's we'd have 3 singles from the first 3 tracks at least, the first two tracks had videos, Hangar is Brilliant and Holy Wars isn't much worse. As for this song would be the most nihilistic track on the album but it still has an upvibe feel, probably since you're put in the seat for the killing, as the track is not aimed torwards you, but your enemy, ah well I still love the damn thing.
Five Magics, is probably the hardest track to get into from the entire album, and that would be from the start, unlike the rest of the tracks upto this point, we go slow for about the first 120 seconds of a five minute track and then finally does the singing and guitars properly kick in. Poison was the cure is probably in the same boat, but they're still awesome tracks, Even though i'm saying they're harder to get into than say... hangar they're still brilliant.
Lucretia, opens the last half of the album, and gives a more pop feel about it, while remaining heavy any of these songs could have been worked torwards mainstream television. Easily.
The guitars are still there from the opening tracks as is the speed, but it's a slower pace, and I don't know how to describe it, but it's just really how pop metal should be, while remaining 'dark'. The possible reason for the back half of the album is that, David (no not Dave) Ellefson has co-credits on the following 3 tracks.
Tornado Of Souls, was always a live favourite for the 'deth boys, it's a damn good song, nothing else really needs to be said.
Dawn Patrol, I told you I'd get to this, it's not a bad track, compared to the other songs on the album it's bad, but play it by itself it's still decent, it's just that on an album of brilliance, a good song looks bad. It has a completely different vocal style than the rest of the album, with a down feel to it, but it works nicely as a lead in for the title track and final track Rust In Peace.
Rust In Peace... Polaris, is my favourite song ever, it opens with a drum solo, and then with a character voice, (not as an intro) but sung, he's evil, he's damn cool, and he's Polaris. Much how I'd imagine Vic Rattlehead (main character on cover) if he was in a song.
It's brilliant, the song stops halfway, and ou think the album is over, it comes back in, and it's still there.
With speed, riffs, damn fine solos, and enough decent stuff to put in your essay about human decadence during the 20th century it's a damn fine release.
10/10.
There's not much more you can give to this album, if you're not a metalhead, you still need this, if you own the black album, and not this, and you think that is metal, sell it to get this, this is metal.
Dave (great name btw, wish i was as cool as mine, o wait ) had put out an album awaiting Metallica's next release, something he knew was brilliant! Metallica then brought the self titled release and somehow that half album and demo's sells over 1 million a year, go figure.
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November 16th, 2002, 8:18 AM
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Great review there Outlaw, any plans to review "Peace Sells.... But Who's Buying?" as well?
I'll review a few albums when I do eventually get around to it. How long did it take you to write that review? I guess since Megadeth are your favourite band probably not that long.
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November 16th, 2002, 8:22 PM
#203
Live bootleg was recorded in 1978 on the Draw the Line tour so it`s pretty much recorded at their peak. As well as stuff off the first 5 albums it also has Chip away the stone (possibly their best non album track) and a cover of the beatles Come Together before they recorded it for the Sgt Pepper soundtrack.
As well as that there are 2 covers they recorded for a radio show,Mother popcorn (A James Brown track) & I ain`t got you (an Elvis song)
Draw the Line is also on the album but for some reason has never been listed on the album credits
Unlike most live album this one was recorded at one show rather than songs being picked from several & has no studio overdubs added later & all the duff notes & mistakes have been left in (Hence the title of the album)which is probably why I love it so much
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November 16th, 2002, 9:08 PM
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Okay, cool, definitely sounds good. I love their version of "Come Together" but have never been certain what release it was put on. I like the fact that it is a rawer live album, something which even in those days was somewhat uncommon. Some people say that AC/DC's "If You Want Blood...." had a decent degree of studio tampering. Ever listened to Megadeth's "Rude Awakening"? It's almost laughable how much it has been tinkered with.
Do you like the "Get A Grip", "Nine Lives" and "Just Push Play" albums at all? Not much, but they do have some decent songs amidst some pretty ordinary material.
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November 16th, 2002, 10:10 PM
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Anyone live around Atlanta? My friend flew down there from Winnipeg yesterday just to see Progfest (I think that's what it's called). There was Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian, Devon Townsend, etc.
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November 16th, 2002, 11:01 PM
#206
I own Rude Awakening on both DVD and CD, it's not that bad, but it's nothing brilliant. Doesn't stant close (if you wish to compare 2002 Live Metal albums) to Maiden's Rock In Rio, now that s a DVD the band can be proud.
As for the review, well it didn't take much time at all really, maybe 15 minutes, but I didn't really have to think much.
Yeah there is a progfest festival, somewhere down there.
Stan, with your extensive glam/hair metal knowledge I was wondering If you could perhaps write me a list of the top 30 hair metal tracks, or something. Since I know not much about the ins and outs of the 'genre' with only owning the Crue's Greatest hits and Feelgood, thanx if you could. If you can't just say so. I'll bother someone else.
Anc Crab, you not on my msn list mustn't have sent, gee msn is really fucking up. PM me your mail if you wish.
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November 16th, 2002, 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Aussie_Outlaw
Stan, with your extensive glam/hair metal knowledge I was wondering If you could perhaps write me a list of the top 30 hair metal tracks, or something. Since I know not much about the ins and outs of the 'genre' with only owning the Crue's Greatest hits and Feelgood, thanx if you could. If you can't just say so. I'll bother someone else.
I shall go through my collection & report back in a couple of days
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November 16th, 2002, 11:47 PM
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November 17th, 2002, 12:57 AM
#209
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Just PM'd you, Outlaw. My MSN is also screwing around,so I haven't been able to get on there.
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November 17th, 2002, 1:37 AM
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You know it`s funny , I`ve just spent the last hour digging out loads of old hair metal albums in preperation for this list & listening to them for the first time in over 10 years & the first thing that hit me is how heavy this stuff is.
When people talk about hair rock people tend only to remember the power ballads.The every rose has it`s thorns , the wanted dead of alives ,the winds of change type songs.
I find it funny that the likes of Blink 182 & sum 41 are considered punk when stuff like Motley crue`s first album & Skid Row`s first album had more punk attitude than all those bands put together.
All of the best glam/hair metal was influenced by the likes of T-rex, New york Dolls , Sex Pistols , Aerosmith,Alice Cooper, Kiss & Cheap Trick ect ect yet this seems to go unoticed sadly.I`d go as far as saying that Motley Crue had just as much a punk influnce as Nirvana did
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November 17th, 2002, 1:44 AM
#211
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I agree, Outlaw, the Rock In Rio DVD does indeed kick some serious arse. And how about the size of that crowd!!!!
I agree, I think most people just heard the power ballads and thought that was what the genre was all about. Not that I'm much of a fan of it but you seemed like you were a pretty huge fan of the genre at some point.
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November 17th, 2002, 1:47 AM
#212
Yep Hair metal rocks more than the shit today.
I just watched Ratt's Round and Round, yummmm hair.
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November 17th, 2002, 1:52 AM
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Originally posted by Crabby
you seemed like you were a pretty huge fan of the genre at some point.
Back then it was either cheesy pop , the Smiths or hair metal.
I`d outgrown pop & was a horny 15 year old who liked looking at sexy girls dancing in videos....did you think I was going to be a Smiths fan .....?
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November 17th, 2002, 1:52 AM
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I was a little surprised when Andrew Haug dragged out some old Ratt videos for the Rage special, but it seems he likes all kinds of metal.
I look forward to your list as well, Stan.
"This Is Spinal Tap" satires the whole hair metal/sexism scene brilliantly. Anyone else a fan of this film?
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November 17th, 2002, 2:11 AM
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Yeah I have it on video.
Them walking around backstage lost while trying to find the stage.
Or releasing an entire black album.
hmmmmmmmmm..... damn rip off merchants!
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November 17th, 2002, 2:12 AM
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oh yeah.
Who did get this smilie added?
I remember I was using it from the megaedth forums about 5 months ago, then I kinda left, and when I return it was added, who got Ed to add it? Or did Ed just add it himself?
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November 17th, 2002, 2:16 AM
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Wouldn't have a clue, it is pretty cool, though. Rock on.
Or the "You can't dust for vomit" part, and their "Big Bottom" song, which is actually quite well written.
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November 17th, 2002, 2:22 AM
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It's a good movie.
Hmm Airheads = betterness.
I used to play D & D too.
I used to be the editor of the school magazine.
I used to masturbate...... constantly.
Top movie.
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November 17th, 2002, 5:11 AM
#219
Let's play a game.
It's called Pick that Metal Artist
The game has a bit of a trick to it.
Go on!
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November 17th, 2002, 5:12 PM
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OK here`s part 1 of my list.Rather than do a top 30 which was a bit limiting (And time consuming)I thought i`d just go through my list of albums writing down the bands & the songs I like most by them so here you go ........
ACCEPT - Balls to the Wall , Fast as a shark
German metal band who almist rivelled the Scorpions in popularity at one time with a very simelar style.
Fronted by Udo Dicshneider (Spell?) who looked like a stocky drawf with a buzzcut who looked like he`d just walked out of the army
BANG TANGO - Dancin on coals, Soul to Soul , 20th Century boy
Looked like the Cult , Sounded like the Cult .Their cover of the T-Rex classic was far better than Placebo`s
BLACK CROWES - Loads of stuff
I`m still a huge fan of this band.They went through a rough patch on their 3rd- 5th albums but their last album Lions was a return to form
TOMMY BOLIN - Teaser , Wild Dogs
If you have the Crue compilation you`ll have heard Teaser but the original rocks in it`s own right by the ex Purple guitarist.Wild Dogs to this day is one of my favorite rock ballads
BONHAM - Wait for you
Band featuring Zeps drummers son Jason Bonham.Pretty lightweight album but this song rocks
BRITNY FOX - Girlschool,Long way to love,Son of a Bitch
Aerosmith/AC/DC influenced band that looked like bigger girls than Poison
CATS IN BOOTS - SHOTGUN SALLY
U.S./Japanese band who were never really big but had a cult following for a while
CELTIC FROST - Cherry Orchids
Despite being influencial in the thrash/death metal scene in 1988 they recorded their Cold Lake album which was basically a glam rock album & alienated their entire fan base.this song was pretty good though
CHEAP TRICK - Elo Kiddies,Surrender,I want you to want me , Dream Police
The forefathers of hair rock
CINDERELLA - Shake me , Night songs,Shelter me
One of my favorite bands,Their singer sounded basically like AC/DC`s Brian Johnston with Aerosmith style songs
THE CULT - Too many to list
One of my favorite bands, Saw them blow Guns n Roses offstage
D*A*D - Bad Crazyness , I won`t cut my hair
Danish band famous for having a bass player who wore a pudding bowl on his head while playing a bass with 2 strings.Very punkish sound to them
DANGEROUS TOYZ - Scared , Sportin a woody
Had a kind of Guns n Roses sound to them but had more upbeat songs
DEF LEPPARD - Hello America , Rocks off , Let it go , Me & My wine,Rock of ages
Forget all the preconceptions you have of this band their first 2 albums were heavy as fuck
DIRTY WHITE BOY - Bad reputation , Lets spend mommas money
Southern rock style band formed by longtime Bowie guitarist Earl Slick
DOKKEN - Tooth & Nail , Dream Warriors
Pretty good melodic rock band, Dream Warriors was used as the music to Nightmare on Elm Street pt.3
ENUFF Z NUFF - New thing , Fly high Michelle
Think Poison playing Beatlesy psychadelica
EXTREME - Decadent dance , Wind me up
Forget that More than words shit ..these rocked
FASTER PUSSYCAT - Don`t play that song,Babylon, Bathroom wall,Where there`s a whip theres a way
One of my favorites,back in the beginning of 87 the rock press was saying either this band or Guns n roses would be huge by the end of the year ... guess who won.Also their cover of Carly Simon`s You`re so vain is also well worth a listen
GIRL - Hollywood Tease , My Number ,Do you love me
Late 70s BRit band featuring Phil Collen (Went to Def Leppard)& Phil Lewis (Went to LA Guns)were hated in the UK at the time ,they were too pop for metal fans & too metal for pop fans but were very influencial.Do you love me is the same Kiss cover Nirvana did
GUNS N ROSES - Shadow of your love
Don`t really need to say anything here but this song was one of the first things they ever recorded & I still have it on a compilation album I bought in 1986
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November 17th, 2002, 8:28 PM
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Outlaw, what's the trick with the game?
Airheads is quality. The part where they hold up the radio station with water pistols is hilarious.Wayne's World 1 &2 are better films of that type, though.
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November 17th, 2002, 8:41 PM
#222
The trick is that it's not a metal band, so essentially I lied.
They're still top class movies.
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November 17th, 2002, 8:45 PM
#223
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Hmmmmm, who was it then? I had an idea but I think it was way off, seeing as it isn't actually a metal band.
Is your MSN working yet?
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November 17th, 2002, 9:25 PM
#224
My MSN is on.
It's East 17!
I figured it was an easy one.
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November 18th, 2002, 2:27 AM
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Crab did you hear about Andy Haug?
3RRR basically claimed he had a conflict of interest doing The Hard Report on Triple R and 3 Hours Of Power on Triple J. Even though he's been doing them both for 2 years and the Hard Report for 10 years. So he's finished on 3RRR and is now only doing Triple J.
The triple R show is Melboune Only show but still it's terrible that this country's major Metal announcer has been kick off one of his shows.
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November 19th, 2002, 1:34 AM
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Well,that's a shame. I mean, there aren't too many people who know remotely as much about metal as Andrew Haug. Living in NSW, I've never heard The Hard Report, but that sucks, indeed. Are they replacing him on the show then?
BTW, who was the band in the pic?
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November 19th, 2002, 1:44 AM
#227
It was East 17. (I said before)
The show's continuing with his co announcer Tony as far as I know.
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November 19th, 2002, 1:49 AM
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Wouldn't have picked you for a Britpop fan.
Listening to Anthrax- Among The Living ATM.
What's Haug's co-host like?
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November 19th, 2002, 1:58 AM
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Well I guess he's an ok bloke, but in my opinion he was the sidekick to Haug's superhero. Haug talked and Tony basically added his two cents in all the time.
It'll be weird next Sunday.
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November 19th, 2002, 2:00 AM
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Do you listen to the Kerrang! radio show at all? Is HR as good as THOP anyway?
Henry's Anger- now there's a band they should play more of on that show.
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November 19th, 2002, 2:12 AM
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No Kerrang show doen here, thats sydney.
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November 19th, 2002, 2:25 AM
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Eh, it's okay from what I've heard, but nothing special.
Cryogenic- another band who should get more airplay.
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November 19th, 2002, 3:41 AM
#233
Did you know that East 17`s last ever gig was at a school disco to 34 kids who couldn`t give a shit who they were.
The music industry is so cruel
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November 19th, 2002, 4:43 AM
#234
Stan knows too much crap.
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November 20th, 2002, 12:27 AM
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Am I the only one here when I'm playing Unreal Torny I get the feeling to listen to Gwar's America Must Be Destoryed, the game mirrors the band beautifully.
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November 20th, 2002, 12:54 AM
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November 20th, 2002, 1:20 AM
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Do you like Corrosion of Conformity and Pantera also?
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November 20th, 2002, 2:11 AM
#238
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Does anyone like Labrat at all? I've downloaded some of their stuff and it's pretty cool.
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November 20th, 2002, 2:14 AM
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November 20th, 2002, 2:19 AM
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They're kind of a mix of styles, though mostly death metal with a fairly significant thrash and grind influence. Pretty good, quality heavy stuff.
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November 20th, 2002, 2:23 AM
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November 20th, 2002, 2:33 AM
#242
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Time for an East 17 moment.....
"Everybody, everybody in the house of love!!!!".
I recommend you check out Labrat, pretty cool stuff.
Didn't hear much of THOP last night. Anything particularly significant happen?
Have you ever heard any Helmet? Quality hard rock/metal that is anyway.
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November 20th, 2002, 8:19 PM
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No I don't listen to 3 hours of power, we have a prog/power metal show down here which I prefer as they are two of m favourite forms of metal.
Yes I've got some Helmet tracks on my computer which I downloaded about 18months ago.
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November 20th, 2002, 8:42 PM
#244
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Did you download "In The Meantime" or "Unsung? at all?
Eh, THOP is pretty cool, they play a diverse selection of heavy music, IMO. There's another local metal show around here, not bad,actually, though I haven't listened to it in a little while.
Are you into Black Steel? Pretty cool power metal band.
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November 20th, 2002, 8:51 PM
#245
Yeah I have both those tracks.
Power metal is damn fine. From what Ive heard of Black Steel they're pretty good, and Pegazus are great also.
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November 20th, 2002, 8:53 PM
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"Meantime" is a kick arse album,cheap as well, definitely worth getting your hands on, IMO.
BTW, my MSN is finally working.
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November 21st, 2002, 4:09 AM
#247
Originally posted by Aussie_Outlaw
Am I the only one here when I'm playing Unreal Torny I get the feeling to listen to Gwar's America Must Be Destoryed, the game mirrors the band beautifully.
Whoa, I'll have to try that.
I've been playing the Doom games again, but I've been listening to the new Cannibal Corpse stuff at the same time. Perfect fit.
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November 21st, 2002, 5:18 AM
#248
Original Doom theme = ripp off of Metallica's Master Of Puppets.
It's so true.
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November 21st, 2002, 5:52 AM
#249
Never realized that.
I noticed the Playstation Smackdowns have music that sounds a lot like White Zombie, Full Devil Jacket, etc., though.
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November 21st, 2002, 6:10 AM
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But do you hear the resembalence now? Urrg spelling bad.
I had the music playing while I was playing doom a few years ago and somehow by chance same song was playing during the level.
Weird.
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November 22nd, 2002, 2:46 AM
#251
My Hair Metal list is incomplete.
Or does every hair metal band's name start with a letter before G?
Hmm Ratt.
Obviously not.
Don't worry Stan, I probably won't be around next week anyway.
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November 26th, 2002, 6:38 PM
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