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    NCAA Football

    Okay time is drawing near for NCAA football.

    Of course I am going to be following the Ole Miss Rebels led about junior QB Eli Manning. Eli will not be hyped as a Heisman candidate though. Archie Manning pulled the plug on that very quickly. Full story on sportsline for those interested.

    So basically this is a thread for discussing NCAA football, BCS(or BS as I like to call it), favorite teams, conferences, etc.

    Of course the SEC is the best conference followed closely by the Big Ten(who can't count) and the Big XII(who can count).

    So discuss.
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    Screw the damn BCS! The Big XII is the best conference out there!

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    ACC ALL THE WAY BABY.

    Oh wait . . . we all kinda suck don't we?

    No matter . . .

    We'll OWN you in b-ball yo.

    Anyway, I'll post some stuff about my *of course* favorite team, the Virginia Cavaliers.

    We have a pretty crap schedule this year though, I guess that's because we had pretty crap season last year.

    Anyway.

    In greater news, University of Virginia had the 5th ranked recruitment squad in the country this year.

    Al Groh is a beast.

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    Originally posted by Anarchy Bunny
    ACC ALL THE WAY BABY.

    Oh wait . . . we all kinda suck don't we?
    Hey, Maryland is an emerging football force from the ACC. We went to the Orange Bowl last year...and got decimated...but still.

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    ACC plays football? I thought they only played basketball. My bad.

    Anyway honestly you can argue that SEC, Big Ten(still can't count), and Big XII are the best. You can easily argue in favor of any of the three on which one is best over all.

    SEC gets screwed a lot though. Ole Miss did not go to a bowl game last year because we did not have enough slots. But at least this year if Alabama qualifies for a bowl they will not take up a spot. Anyway the SEC always seems to get a team left out which sucks when some conferences barely have teams qualify for bowls.

    I say Eli leads Ole Miss to great season and bowl victory. The year after that we should get even great things.

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    Originally posted by Wedge


    Hey, Maryland is an emerging football force from the ACC. We went to the Orange Bowl last year...and got decimated...but still.
    I remember watching that game.

    *ACC PRIDE*

    Y'all got beaten ugly.

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    I Notre Dame. Go Irish!

    Too bad they suck.

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    The defending SEC Champions look to repeat last year feat with a formidable team.

    GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Fight on, Fight on, Fight on, men!
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    Ole Miss By Damn!

    Way better that stuff hed posted.

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    Anyone follow Division I-AA football??

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    Originally posted by isuquinndog
    Anyone follow Division I-AA football??
    What's that? Just kidding. I don't follow it. I may follow a little of Div. III this year though since I work at Wash U. Gotten more into Div. III over the last year in some sports.

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    I didn't think anyone did, but that's what I follow most since my alma mater is in that division.....oh in Div I, all I hope is that Illinois loses.

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    my prediction for this year....Miami becomes a sub .500 team.. HA HA HA.... Go 'Noles!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Brockport in D3 ... at least one of my teams can be in a top 25

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    Penn State is back! We picked it up in the second half of last season with sophmore phenomenon Zack Mills, and big things are ahead for Happy Valley. We probably aren't ready to contend for the Big Ten title qwuite yet, but we should at least get an 8-3 record and a decent bowl game. The game against Nebraska early in the season should be a big test for both teams.

    And screw FSU. Bowden isn't going to give Joe Pa anytime to enjoy the damn record.

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    Officiall 2002-3 College Football Thread

    I guess I'll start it since nobody else has.

    And to start it off, The coachs released thier poll to start the year. I don't think there is too many suprises:



    Thursday, August 1

    ESPN/USA Today Coaches' Poll

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    School '01 Rec. Pts. Final '01 Comment
    1. Miami (Fla.) (34) 12-0 1,444 1 No repeat champ since '94-95.
    2. Texas (9) 11-2 1,399 5 Can Simms lead the 'Horns to a Fiesta?
    3. Oklahoma (11) 11-2 1,397 6 Defense isn't the question in Norman.
    4. Florida State (7) 8-4 1,357 15 Bobby and the boys are back.
    5. Tennessee 11-2 1,255 4 Ad-visor-y: Fullmer rules SEC roost
    6. Colorado 10-3 1,010 9 Buffs could run to Big 12 title.
    7. Florida 10-2 972 3 Ten starters back but not the head coach.
    8. Nebraska 11-2 951 7 QB Jammal Lord replaces Eric Crouch.
    9. Washington 8-4 914 19 WR Reggie Williams is a must-see.
    10. Michigan 8-4 894 20 Best of the Big Ten in another down year.
    11. Georgia 8-4 858 25 'Dawgs nipping at heels of UT and UF.
    12. Ohio State 7-5 761 NR Eight home games a huge help.
    13. LSU 10-3 749 8 Is QB Matt Mauck the answer?
    14. Washington State 10-2 748 11 Never posted back-to-back 10-win seasons.
    15. Oregon 11-1 663 2 Another billboard. Another banner year?
    16. Virginia Tech 8-4 550 18 RB Lee Suggs needs to be healthy.
    17. Louisville 11-2 378 16 QB Dave Ragone is one of nation's best.
    18. Michigan State 7-5 371 NR Seven of first eight are at home.
    19. Southern California 6-6 349 NR What passes for football in L.A.
    20. Maryland 10-2 315 10 Are there seconds in Fridge Fever?
    21. Marshall 11-2 280 21 QB Byron Leftwich is Heisman caliber.
    22. South Carolina 9-3 213 13 Lou Holtz continues to amaze.
    23. Wisconsin 5-7 210 NR WR Lee Evans should return for Big Ten.
    24. Penn State 5-6 206 NR Eight home games = happier valley.
    25. N.C. State 7-5 174 NR Philip Rivers may be ACC's best QB.
    Others receiving votes: Texas A&M (158), Auburn (150), UCLA (114), Kansas State (110), Boston College (85), Brigham Young (84), Georgia Tech (70), Syracuse (66), Illinois (55), Oregon State (54), Clemson (46), Purdue (45), Utah (44), Fresno State (42), Mississippi (41), Arkansas (40), Colorado State (39), Southern Mississippi (23), Iowa State (22), Stanford (21), Notre Dame (18), Hawaii (14), Arizona (12), Iowa (11), Texas Tech (11), Boise State (7), Pittsburgh (7), North Carolina (4), Toledo (4), Virginia (3), Minnesota (2), West Virginia (2), Louisiana Tech (1), UNLV (1), Wake Forest (1).

    I'll admit that I was suprised to see Maryland so low, after that wonderful season last year.

    I think Miami (WOOO) gets bonus points this year for taking the hardest schedule of any team. The play Tennessee, Florida, and host Florida State. And they still have to contend with the Big East Conference. A conference that gets better each year.

    I think this year has the potential to be great. Any thoughts?
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    Go Hawaii!!

    I hope we suprises a lot of people this year!! If our offense can do the same thing they did last year towards the end of the season, I believe we can break in to the top 25.

    Go Bows!!

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    Go BC EAGLES.

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    Re: Officiall 2002-3 College Football Thread

    Originally posted by DAKPluto

    6. Colorado 10-3 1,010 9 Buffs could run to Big 12 title.

    Others receiving votes:Colorado State (39)


    Well, acutally, I'm suprised to see CU ranked so high after losing quite a few key guys (Offensive Line and QB) between seasons. Without them, it is going to be hard to be as good as last season, but we'll see how it goes. But, I'll take what I can get. CU is #6. WOOOOOOOOOOO!

    The_shad (Cu was screwed last year. We shoulda been in the title game against Miami and whooped them silly. )

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    Kinda surprised to see the Gators ranked lower than the Noles. I wonder if it is mostly due to Spurrier being gone....?

    GO GATORS!

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    Re: Re: Officiall 2002-3 College Football Thread

    Originally posted by The_shad


    The_shad (Cu was screwed last year. We shoulda been in the title game against Miami and whooped them silly. )

    Actually, I think Oregon deserved it the most last year. They were ranked #2 in both polls, and were 11-1 (CU had lost 3 games). As a huge Miami fan, so we know more than anybody about getting screwed out of the National Game, I think Oregon had the most legitamte claim to be in the game.

    In my Opinion, Nebraska should have been inelgible the moment they lost their conference.

    I also feel that the BCS should be used ONLY when the polls disagree. If the Coachs had CU at 2, and the AP had Oregon at 2, then the BCS decides which should be 2nd (and only between the two teams at a tie)

    Just my thoughts.


    And Pulp, I think the fact that Spurrier is gone is the main reason. But I am very suprised that the Noles are that high. I know that Rix is staying, and he has his good recievers, but the defense is going to be VERY shakey for them.

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    Re: Re: Re: Officiall 2002-3 College Football Thread

    Originally posted by DAKPluto



    Actually, I think Oregon deserved it the most last year. They were ranked #2 in both polls, and were 11-1 (CU had lost 3 games). As a huge Miami fan, so we know more than anybody about getting screwed out of the National Game, I think Oregon had the most legitamte claim to be in the game.

    In my Opinion, Nebraska should have been inelgible the moment they lost their conference.

    I also feel that the BCS should be used ONLY when the polls disagree. If the Coachs had CU at 2, and the AP had Oregon at 2, then the BCS decides which should be 2nd (and only between the two teams at a tie)

    Just my thoughts.
    I'm just kidding. Yea, I know Oregon deserved to go more than Nebraska or Colorado, but the screwed that up so much that it's really fun to joke about Colorado going to the championships. But whats really funny is that if Ole Miss (or Miss. St.) would have lost to some other team (a noname), the Buffs would have gone to the championship. 100% screwed up. But I don't think anyone has a clue on how big this win was for us against Nebraska. It was bigger than the superbowl wins. We humiliated our rivals more than they had been humiliated ever before. And it was great.

    But I think the BCS needs to be reworked. They put #4 into the championship. A team that broke down when it counted. No way in hell that should happen. A team that ranks out of the top 3 in the polls should be barred from the championship. I would have killed for CU to make it all the way.

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    I actually already started a thread. Lets see if I can merge them.

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    There I merged them.

    Quick correction. It was Southern Miss that won a game the boosted Nebraska to the game that they did not deserve to be in.

    I hate the BCS system. They just need to do a playoff. Or use the BCS poll to choose the teams for a playoff. Sure there would be more arguing over who should have got in and stuff but I would rather argue about that then over who is the number two team to play the number one team.

    Personally if a team does not win their conference or even play for the conference title and has two losses they should not be able to play in the championship game unless it is the finals of a playoff system.

    Esacevets had a great thread about this last year that I may try to dig up later today or tomorrow.

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    i think the Big 12 is ( or was last year) the best conference. I Live in the east, but I like Iowa State, and we have games against
    Nebraska
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    Oklahoma
    Colorado
    and non-conference against Florida State, a pretty tough schedule

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    I'm a BC Eagles fan, but i do like other schools.

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    like i said, im a BC fan, but im gonna have to say I got Oklahoma winning the National Championship this year.

    And Florida, for some reason i see them as a sleeper to do really good this year.

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    Just simmed a season in NCAA Football 2003, so I could make predictions.

    National title game: Miami vs. Marshall



    Be back with more.

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    Re: Because MTR wanted to hear it..

    Originally posted by hed
    Yea Alabama! Drown'em Tide,
    Every Bama man's behind you, Hit your stride...
    Go teach the Bulldogs to behave
    Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave,
    And if a man starts to weaken, That's a shame,
    'Cause Bama's pluck and grit have Writ her name in Crimson Flame,
    Fight on, Fight on, Fight on, men!
    Remember the Rose Bowl we'll win then.
    Go, roll to victory, Hit your stride!
    You're Dixie's football pride, Crimson Tide!
    Hed are you from Alabama? and all I have to say is:

    War Eagle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by Rocko
    Go Hawaii!!

    I hope we suprises a lot of people this year!! If our offense can do the same thing they did last year towards the end of the season, I believe we can break in to the top 25.

    Go Bows!!
    I hear ya, KICK BAMA'S ASS THIS YEAR!!!

    Can't you tell by now, I'm an Auburn Tiger fan through and through!!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by pulpintro
    Kinda surprised to see the Gators ranked lower than the Noles. I wonder if it is mostly due to Spurrier being gone....?

    GO GATORS!
    Well you know, with a new coach the people think that the Gators will not be as good. I think that they will go 9-2, but I hope to god we have a repeat of last year and Auburn wins again. If not I will cry my eyes out!!!!

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    Auburn? We have an Auburn fan? Damn and I thought hed was bad.

    Anyway Auburn is okay but not great. Their saving grace the last few years is their coach. Tuberville is a great coach. I loved him as a coach at Ole Miss when I was there. I hate the man as a person. I do not feel like he is a great person. Don't get me started on him leaving because it will not be pretty.

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    That is the problem, Tommy Tuberville is not a great head coach. He is a great assistant coach. Like when he coached the Rock at Miami. He was part of that 1991 championship team. He was good then. But as head coach, he's okay, not great though. What pisses me off the most is that they fired Pat Dye, because of the whole freaking Eric Ramsey thing. I do believe sooner or later, we would have gotten a national championship from him. I mean when Auburn went 11-0 with Terry Bowden. That was Pat Dye's recruits. I just wish we could have a coach like Steve Spurrier. Yes, I love Auburn, and I'm so hyped that College football kicks off next Friday. I love football. My favorite sport ever! War Eagle and no offense but I hope Auburn destroys litttle Eli!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Actually Tuberville is a great head coach in my view. He did wonders at Ole Miss while they were still on probabation and did good recruiting. He has done the same there. I think he kept Auburn from sinking very very badly. He has kept them going make Auburn a great program. I just hated the way he left us and went there. It sucked and no one can deny that. He was not a man about it at all. My favorite thing about Tuberville was he loves to go for it on 4th down. I love that. I hate just punting the ball. He gambled a lot and it paid off a lot.

    The great thing that came out of Tuberville leaving though was the fact that we snagged a great coach from Tenn. in Cutcliffe and he managed to bring Eli to where he belongs. If Tuberville was still at Ole Miss we would not have Eli in my view. He would have gone to Tenn.

    Eli is definitely a QB to watch this year. He is not the top QB in the country or even in the SEC but he will definitely be turning heads this fall.

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    Tuberville, is okay in my opinion. I do like that he's a gambler, but the way Auburn played last year, was retarded. I love my Tigers through and through, but the coaching staff was fucked up. We went to beating Florida, to losing to Alabama, and we all know, Auburn should have kicked they're asses. So maybe with the new coaching staff, that Tommy has gotten, maybe we will get a solid season this year. If not, and we lose to Alabama again. I say fire his ass. Auburn and Alabama, doesn't put up with that shit. If you can't beat your rival, sooner or later, your gone! I hope Auburn is National Champs this year, but hey, I hope that every year. I've been an Auburn fan, since I was 4 years old. I eat and breathe Auburn Tiger football. The thing about Eli is, I think he has the potential to be a great quarterback, but I don't think he will be as good, as Peyton was. Plus, I got sick and tired all of those years, listening about Peyton Manning and the Tennesseee Vols. God, now I have to put up with hearing Eli Manning. Enough already!
    This is a song that my friend made up and here it goes:

    Rocky Top you'll always be a piece of shit to me,
    Go to hell Rocky Top.
    Fuck you Tennessee!

    I Love That!

    I hated Peyton and the Vols, because they beat us in the SEC championship game! Bastards!

    Teams I love:

    War Eagle, Go Tigers!!!!!!!!
    Vandy, just because we don't play them!
    Miami, because I think they're awesome!!!!!

    Teams I hate with a passion:

    Alabama-I hate them the most
    Notre Dame!!!-God they suck
    Michigan-Just don't like em
    Florida- Because they're too damn good
    Nebraska-Because they get to much credit and they don't play anybody.
    Tennessee-See above
    Georgia-because they always play way too strong
    Mississippi State-Jackie Sherrill needs to stay the fuck off our grass!
    Oklahoma-don't play anybody and gets props for doing it.
    Penn State-Joe needs to retire! Even though I think he's a good coach
    Florida State-Bobby Bowden need I say more!
    Even though he is a good coach too!

    That about sums it up!

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    Oooo, seems to be some Nebraska bashers out there...

    How can you possibly think Colorado deserved to go to the Rose Bowl ahead of Nebraska? Granted, they beat Nebraska in somewhat of a lopsided game, but you Colorado fans seem to forget that season-opening loss against Fresno State. FRESNO STATE! It doesn't matter that it happened early in the season, it still happened. And the BCS doesn't penalize teams more for losing late in the season, unlike the voters with their selective memories, which is one of the reasons why the BCS is a much better system than the one we had before.

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    I have nothing against Nebraska but they had no right to play for the title last season. They did not even win their division in their conference. They did not even play for their conference title yet they got to play for the national title. That is plain wrong. They got blown out. An early loss is not as bad as a late loss. Plus Colorado avenged one of its two losses and won their conference should have been to their advantage. Don't forget Oregan State who was ranked up there higher than Nebraska as well. The BCS does not work in my eyes. I think it has only really worked one year and that was the first year that it was used.

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    What I say is let Nebraska play the SEC teams, and then we'll see who is tough! They would get they're ass whipped every year. Miami busted them last year! Don't mess with Southern football teams you will lose sooner or later!!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by MTR
    I have nothing against Nebraska but they had no right to play for the title last season. They did not even win their division in their conference. They did not even play for their conference title yet they got to play for the national title. That is plain wrong. They got blown out. An early loss is not as bad as a late loss. Plus Colorado avenged one of its two losses and won their conference should have been to their advantage. Don't forget Oregan State who was ranked up there higher than Nebraska as well. The BCS does not work in my eyes. I think it has only really worked one year and that was the first year that it was used.
    So you're saying the non-conference schedule means nothing? A loss is a loss, no matter when it happens. Nebraska had one, Colorado had two. Simple has that. And who is to say that the confernence champion has to be the one that plays for the national title? 99 out of 100 times it will be, but this was an extreme case where they didn't deserve to be. Look at what happened at the end of the season to get Nebraska to the Rose Bowl! Oklahoma State upsetting Oklahoma, LSU upsetting Tennessee, and Colorado beating Texas to name a few. Hell, imagine if Miami had been upset by Virginia Tech (which they almost were). We would've had a Nebraska/Colorado rematch in the Rose Bowl

    As for Oregon, they had more of a right to be in the Rose Bowl than Colorado did (which they proved in the Fiesta Bowl, by the way). But let's compare Oregon and Nebraska. Nebraska's strength of schedule was higher. Each had one loss, but Nebraska's was to a much better team (Colorado) than Oregon's (Stanford). And the only reason Oregon was higher in the polls was because their loss was earlier in the season. It shouldn't matter WHEN the loss happened, only that it happened.

    I'd also like to point out what happened during the '99 season. Nebraska's only loss was to Texas, which they later avenged in the Big 12 Championship. But did Nebraska go to the national championship? Nope, and they didn't deserve to because they still had that one loss, and Virginia Tech didn't have any. Sure, Virginia Tech's schedule was pathetic, but we won't get into that...

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr
    What I say is let Nebraska play the SEC teams, and then we'll see who is tough! They would get they're ass whipped every year. Miami busted them last year! Don't mess with Southern football teams you will lose sooner or later!!!!!!!
    Where to begin...

    First of all, Nebraska is no stranger to the SEC. Many a time in the past few years Nebraska has played the champion of the SEC in a bowl game. '96 Fiesta Bowl, Nebraska vs. Florida, ass kicking. '98 Orange Bowl, Nebraska vs. Tennesse, ass kicking. 2000 Orange Bowl, Nebraska vs. Tennesse, ass kicking.

    Second, I'll agree with you that the SEC is a strong conference, but so is the Big 12 (stronger, in my opinion) so don't pretend like Nebraska in in the MAC.

    Yes, Miami beat the hell out of Nebraska last year. Miami was the better team, plain and simple. My only point was Nebraska was the most deserving team to play them. But what does Miami have to do with the SEC?? They're in the Big East...

    Don't mess with Southern football teams, you will lose sooner or later? As evidenced by my first point, I guess it's later rather than sooner!

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    SEC football is the best! Nough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr
    SEC football is the best! Nough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Wow, what an amzing post. You really put me in my place. I tip my hat to you.

    But seriously, you may be right. The SEC is a strong conference. How about you explain why you think the SEC in the best?

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    I think ESPN said it best on Sport Center when they said the only ones who thought Nebraska should be in the National Championship were the Nebraska fans.

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    Originally posted by Dumpy


    Wow, what an amzing post. You really put me in my place. I tip my hat to you.

    But seriously, you may be right. The SEC is a strong conference. How about you explain why you think the SEC in the best?

    Well when it's all said and done at the end of the year every year, look how many wins the SEC has over every other conference.

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr



    Well when it's all said and done at the end of the year every year, look how many wins the SEC has over every other conference.
    Eh, I don't want to look back at all those records, do you? Let's just agree that they're both strong conferences.

    Let's also agree that since 1990, the Big 12 (or Big 8) has had 5 national championships, and the SEC has had 3.

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    Originally posted by Dumpy
    Oooo, seems to be some Nebraska bashers out there...

    How can you possibly think Colorado deserved to go to the Rose Bowl ahead of Nebraska? Granted, they beat Nebraska in somewhat of a lopsided game, but you Colorado fans seem to forget that season-opening loss against Fresno State. FRESNO STATE! It doesn't matter that it happened early in the season, it still happened. And the BCS doesn't penalize teams more for losing late in the season, unlike the voters with their selective memories, which is one of the reasons why the BCS is a much better system than the one we had before.
    Well, I was joking when I said that Colorado should have been ahead of Oregon, but I'm dead serious about the Nebraska debacle. Nebraska just choked in the last game and they didn't even get to the conference finals (Colorado/ Texas). And they played in the nationals not even conquering their own division. And Fresno State was actually a contender this year. We were unfortunate enough to have been the first to find out. Fresno was good, but the Huskers choked ( ) and were superceded by the Buffs. But all jokes aside, it really should have gone Oregon/ Miami for the title with Colorado in 3rd and Nebraska in 4th. Such a lopsided win is definately enough by how they do these things to warrant Colorado's lead over Nebraska. The BCS is cracked. But we Coloradans won't EVER let you guys forget that game.

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    Originally posted by Dumpy


    So you're saying the non-conference schedule means nothing? A loss is a loss, no matter when it happens. Nebraska had one, Colorado had two. Simple has that. And who is to say that the confernence champion has to be the one that plays for the national title? 99 out of 100 times it will be, but this was an extreme case where they didn't deserve to be. Look at what happened at the end of the season to get Nebraska to the Rose Bowl! Oklahoma State upsetting Oklahoma, LSU upsetting Tennessee, and Colorado beating Texas to name a few. Hell, imagine if Miami had been upset by Virginia Tech (which they almost were). We would've had a Nebraska/Colorado rematch in the Rose Bowl

    The way they have been doing it, non conference loses count less than conference loses and conference wins count more than non conference wins. so, logically, if it were up between 2 teams with 1 lose total, but one with 1 conference loss, the one with the nonconference loss goes in. But now its a matter of perception. Does 2 losses and a victory over your competitior who has one overide total standings? I say yes, but you cannot ever really tell. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember CU having an abnormally high ranked schedule, higher than Nebraska, wasn't it? But I was hoping for one last upset in that game too.

    As for Oregon, they had more of a right to be in the Rose Bowl than Colorado did (which they proved in the Fiesta Bowl, by the way). But let's compare Oregon and Nebraska. Nebraska's strength of schedule was higher. Each had one loss, but Nebraska's was to a much better team (Colorado) than Oregon's (Stanford). And the only reason Oregon was higher in the polls was because their loss was earlier in the season. It shouldn't matter WHEN the loss happened, only that it happened.

    Well, some guys take losing late in the season as cracking to the pressure. And it didn't help that it was a VERY large win. Colorado was better than Stanford (even though that is the home college of #7 JOHN ELWAY ), you have to take into account such a large deficit and scepticism about pressure. Plus, teams sometimes get worse as time progresses, so realistically, Nebraska could have gotten worse down the road and the Ducks better. Thats why later games count so much.

    I'd also like to point out what happened during the '99 season. Nebraska's only loss was to Texas, which they later avenged in the Big 12 Championship. But did Nebraska go to the national championship? Nope, and they didn't deserve to because they still had that one loss, and Virginia Tech didn't have any. Sure, Virginia Tech's schedule was pathetic, but we won't get into that...
    It's all a judgement call. Personally, I trusted the polls more than BCS (especially the Coaches) before the contraversy cause there is more indepth knowledge about a team by the coaches than these 3rd party reviewers. And there is a lot more diversity in it. The BCS comes down to very few votes while there are, what, 200+ different teams for the regular polls. And since that is what they usually run by, I'd go with precident over BCS.

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    Originally posted by Dumpy


    Eh, I don't want to look back at all those records, do you? Let's just agree that they're both strong conferences.

    Let's also agree that since 1990, the Big 12 (or Big 8) has had 5 national championships, and the SEC has had 3.

    That's true dumpy, but if you look at their schedules, the SEC has harder schedules than the Big 12! I mean if the SEC played who Nebraska plays, given 1 or maybe 2 teams they would have more championships, okay! Here's Nebraska's schedule:

    Arizona State-who?
    Troy State- I know who, because I'm from Alabama, but still what?
    Utah State- who?
    Penn State-used to be great, but can't win to save there life now
    Iowa State- semi tough
    McNeese State-who the hell is this?
    Missouri-given win
    Oklahoma State-will put up a fight, but who?
    Texas A&M-Finally they're playing somebody
    Texas- Toughest team on they're schedule
    Kansas- they will put up a fight, but they will lose
    Kansas State- another win for Nebraska
    Finally Colorado-2nd toughest team on schedule

    So there you have it for Nebraska! 3 teams that are really somebody! I mean others may put up a fight, but when it comes down to it. They play about 3 tough teams. That's why they got they're ass beat so bad at the NC game, because they actually played somebody!

    Now for an SEC schedule, lets just say Florida's schedule

    UAB
    Miami-hard
    Ohio
    Tennessee-hard
    Kentucky
    Mississippi
    LSU-won't be easy
    Auburn -hard as usual
    Georgia-won't be easy
    Vandy
    South Carolina
    Florida State-hardest of them all

    There's six teams Florida has to play, that are tough or will give them a run for they're money. It's like that will all the SEC schedules! If it came down to it and Nebraska had to play SEC teams every year, bottomline they would lose and look like idiots just like they did last year, when Miami stomped they're ass in the ground. I think I've proven my point!

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr



    That's true dumpy, but if you look at their schedules, the SEC has harder schedules than the Big 12! I mean if the SEC played who Nebraska plays, given 1 or maybe 2 teams they would have more championships, okay! Here's Nebraska's schedule:

    Arizona State-who?
    Troy State- I know who, because I'm from Alabama, but still what?
    Utah State- who?
    Penn State-used to be great, but can't win to save there life now
    Iowa State- semi tough
    McNeese State-who the hell is this?
    Missouri-given win
    Oklahoma State-will put up a fight, but who?
    Texas A&M-Finally they're playing somebody
    Texas- Toughest team on they're schedule
    Kansas- they will put up a fight, but they will lose
    Kansas State- another win for Nebraska
    Finally Colorado-2nd toughest team on schedule

    So there you have it for Nebraska! 3 teams that are really somebody! I mean others may put up a fight, but when it comes down to it. They play about 3 tough teams. That's why they got they're ass beat so bad at the NC game, because they actually played somebody!

    Now for an SEC schedule, lets just say Florida's schedule

    UAB
    Miami-hard
    Ohio
    Tennessee-hard
    Kentucky
    Mississippi
    LSU-won't be easy
    Auburn -hard as usual
    Georgia-won't be easy
    Vandy
    South Carolina
    Florida State-hardest of them all

    There's six teams Florida has to play, that are tough or will give them a run for they're money. It's like that will all the SEC schedules! If it came down to it and Nebraska had to play SEC teams every year, bottomline they would lose and look like idiots just like they did last year, when Miami stomped they're ass in the ground. I think I've proven my point!
    Yeah, I'll admit that Nebraska's non-conference schedule looks a bit soft THIS YEAR, but Big 12 and SEC conference schedules are comparable.

    Actually, we really shouldn't be talking about schedules before the season starts. There's no telling who's going to be good and who's not. Just look at Kansas State and Florida State, for example. Two teams that are usually in the title hunt but really stunk it up last year.

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    Anybody care to make some pre-season predictions? I'm going to say Oklahoma and Tennessee for the national championship.

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    Stonecoldfvr, just don't forget that any given team can win at any given day. And last year was a bad year for quite a few normally consistant teams. Especially K State. But I don't feel sorry for them. So chalk that total up to 4 (or 3 1/2 since they are questionable). The #5 would happen to be OK State (they aren't exactly pushovers like some people think). And then there is Oklahoma, which is not on their schedule, but IS in the conference. That is #6. And a few teams on your schedule that you will play are not inconference. And all schedules are not created equal. Observe.

    Florida

    Aug 24 - Open
    Aug 31 - vs. U-A-B, 6:00 PM
    Sep 7 - vs. Miami-Florida, 5:00 PM Hard (Out of Conference)
    Sep 14 - vs. Ohio U, 6:00 PM
    Sep 21 - at Tennessee, 3:30 PM Hard
    Sep 28 - vs. Kentucky, TBA
    Oct 5 - at Ole Miss, 2:00 PM
    Oct 12 - vs. L-S-U, TBA Not Easy
    Oct 19 - vs. Auburn, TBA Hard
    Oct 26 - Open
    Nov 2 - at Georgia, TBA Not Easy
    Nov 9 - at Vanderbilt, 2:00 PM
    Nov 16 - vs. So Carolina, 1:00 PM
    Nov 23 - Open
    Nov 30 - at Florida State, 8:00 PM Hard (Out of conference)

    Auburn

    Aug 24 - Open
    Aug 31 - at U-S-C, 8:00 PM
    Sep 7 - vs. Wstn Carolina, 5:00 PM
    Sep 14 - vs. Vanderbilt, 12:30 PM
    Sep 21 - at Miss State, 7:45 PM
    Sep 28 - vs. Syracuse, 2:00 PM
    Oct 5 - Open
    Oct 12 - vs. Arkansas, 2:00 PM
    Oct 19 - at Florida, TBA Hard
    Oct 26 - vs. L-S-U, 2:00 PM Not Easy
    Nov 2 - at Ole Miss, 2:00 PM
    Nov 9 - vs. UL Monroe, 2:00 PM
    Nov 16 - vs. Georgia, 2:00 PM
    Nov 23 - at Alabama, TBA

    Georgia

    Aug 24 - Open
    Aug 31 - vs. Clemson, 7:45 PM
    Sep 7 - Open
    Sep 14 - at So Carolina, 3:30 PM
    Sep 21 - vs. Northwestern St, 1:00 PM
    Sep 28 - vs. New Mexico St, 1:00 PM
    Oct 5 - at Alabama, TBA
    Oct 12 - vs. Tennessee, TBA Hard
    Oct 19 - vs. Vanderbilt, 1:00 PM
    Oct 26 - at Kentucky, 7:00 PM
    Nov 2 - vs. Florida, TBA Hard
    Nov 9 - vs. Ole Miss, TBA
    Nov 16 - at Auburn, 2:00 PM Hard
    Nov 23 - Open
    Nov 30 - vs. Georgia Tech, TBA

    So, you see, it averages out.

    Colorado

    Aug 24 - Open
    Aug 31 - vs. Colorado State, 1:00 PM (Not hard, but a great game. )
    Sep 7 - vs. San Diego St, 7:00 PM
    Sep 14 - vs. U-S-C, 3:30 PM
    Sep 21 - at U-C-L-A, 3:30 PM
    Sep 28 - Open
    Oct 5 - vs. Kansas State, TBA Not Easy
    Oct 12 - at Kansas, TBA
    Oct 19 - vs. Baylor, TBA
    Oct 26 - vs. Texas Tech, TBA
    Nov 2 - at Oklahoma, TBA Not Easy
    Nov 9 - at Missouri, TBA
    Nov 16 - vs. Iowa State, TBA
    Nov 23 - Open
    Nov 29 - at Nebraska, 3:30 PM Hard

    Not exactly starstudded, but it is good. And all the hard ones in conference too. BIG 12 all the way. And then Mountain West.

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    Well that's true about not judging teams before the games, and your right any given Saturday or Thursday, anything can happen, but for my prediction for NC this year, I say Auburn and Miami!!!!!!!!!! War Eagle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr
    Well that's true about not judging teams before the games, and your right any given Saturday or Thursday, anything can happen, but for my prediction for NC this year, I say Auburn and Miami!!!!!!!!!! War Eagle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry, but Auburn...

    Actually, anything's possible, so I wouldn't rule them out. But I don't think Miami will be able to make it through their schedule without a couple losses.

    My predictions are just wild guesses. I have to pick someone from the Big 12, and I think Oklahoma is the most likely. Texas I think is overrated, Nebraska's in a rebulding year, and Colorado will have to forfeit their last few games becuase of the rump kicking they'll get in Lincoln.

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    Okay, I haven't hit this thread in a while. Time to give my thoughts.

    Colorodo-Nebraska: Neither deserved to go. Two losses killed CU, and not winning your conference killed Nebraska. Oregon deserved the game.

    I'll admit that Nebraska probaly was better than Oregon, and had they played each other, NU would have won. But not winning your conference should automaticly put you out of the National Title picture. It's tradition (something that the human polls put into effect, but the computers will never be able to calculate)

    SEC: Most people will argue that this IS the toughest conference in NCAA 1-A. But not because every team is so great, but because the teams match up well against each other. That is what makes it fun to watch.

    Strength of Schedule:

    Sorry, but Miami takes the cake on this one this year:

    Aug 31 vs Florida A&M - Easy, but they have played each other for years.
    Sep 7 at Florida - The first test of Miami this year. Great to see them play each other again.
    Sep 14 at Temple - Shouldn't be too hard
    Sep 21 vs Boston College - Always haunts Miami. BC never does good against bad teams, but they always play good against ranked teams
    Oct 5 vs Connecticut - New to the conference, this should be a cakewalk.
    Oct 12 vs Florida State - One of the best games of the year, every year. Never an easy game.
    Oct 26 at West Virginia -
    Nov 2 at Rutgers - Only problem here is Greg Schiono was the former defensive coordinator for Miami. Knows their plays, but doesn't have the players to stop them.
    Nov 9 at Tennessee - This is going to be tough.
    Nov 21 vs Pittsburgh - Always tries to show promise, but always comes up short. But they will finally spark when nobody expects it.
    Nov 30 at Syracuse - Good warmp-up to VT.
    Dec 7 vs Virginia Tech - Good way to end the year. VT should be back to being a top 10 team this year.

    Without a doubt, the Florida/Florida State/Tennessee part is hard as hell. And having to play at Florida and Tennessee makes it even harder. Thank god we get FSU at home.

    If Miami can go 12-0, it will be a miracle. But 11-1 should be good enough for a National Title shot, if the win is early, and against a top ranked team.

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    Arizona State:21
    Nebraska:7

    This I predictiate...

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    Originally posted by DAKPluto
    Okay, I haven't hit this thread in a while. Time to give my thoughts.

    Colorodo-Nebraska: Neither deserved to go. Two losses killed CU, and not winning your conference killed Nebraska. Oregon deserved the game.

    I'll admit that Nebraska probaly was better than Oregon, and had they played each other, NU would have won. But not winning your conference should automaticly put you out of the National Title picture. It's tradition (something that the human polls put into effect, but the computers will never be able to calculate)
    Thats what I said. But do you think that Colorado was better than Nebraska or more deserving of that title spot despite the fact that Oregon deserved it most out of all.

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    Originally posted by JoJo the rabid monkey
    Arizona State:21
    Nebraska:7

    This I predictiate...
    I predicitate your predicitate to be very, very wrong. Although I never would've predicitated this the last time Arizona State and Nebraska played back in '96:

    Arizona State: 19
    Nebraska: 0

    And Nebraska was coming off a national championship that year. This year we're coming off the national championship game. And that year we just lost Heisman runner-up QB Tommie Frazier. This year we just lost Heisman winner Eric Crouch.

    Damn it, JoJo! Now you've got me worried!

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    Originally posted by Dumpy


    I predicitate your predicitate to be very, very wrong.
    EA Sports is never wrong.

    So it is written, and so it shall come to pass:

    Arizona State: 21
    Nebraska: 7

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    Originally posted by The_shad


    Thats what I said. But do you think that Colorado was better than Nebraska or more deserving of that title spot despite the fact that Oregon deserved it most out of all.
    Neither. I don't think either one deserved it. And I feel the old traditions of the bowls would have kept this from being a problem.

    This is the problem with the BCS. It has tried to turn 2 days of bowl games into "mini-playoff" and it doesn't work. In a perfect world, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oregon would have all played each other. And the best of the three would have played Miami.

    But as I said, Oregon was number 2 in both polls, and should have gone. The BCS should only be used to solve differences between the human polls.

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    Yeah personally I think Oregan or Colorado should have gone to the game. My main thing is that the fact that a team that did not even play for the conference championship should not jump over a team that stomped them and went on to win their conference championship. When it comes to football since we do not have playoffs like we should only conference champions should be allowed to play for the title.

    Personally I feel like you should take a few more bowls and make the BCS a playoff. Top 8 teams square off. You only need three more bowls to pull this off. And one of the main four can still host the title game in the end and rotate. Take the conference champs you have now and the two at large and let them play it out over a couple weeks. More football for the fans and we finally get a decisive champion. Division I AA, II, and III all do playoffs. No reason that we can not do that same in Division I A. Keep the bowls but make the BCS a playoff for the top 8 teams. Sure the will still be arguement over who deserves to be the 2 at large but I would take that any day over an arguement about who should have got to play for the title if we have a playoff.

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    My main thing for saying that the SEC is the best overall is because of the strength of all teams. I wish they would all play better non-conference. But overall we usually do better in non-conference than any other conference. Not every year but generally over the last decade or so. Big 12(Big 8) has been the other team to do well in non-conference.

    The thing with the SEC is the fact that things are more balanced. Overall we have maybe one great team or two any given year and one maybe two doormats and the rest are about equal ground which makes your conference-schedule so hard. You win games you thought you would lose and you lose games that you thought you would win. And even the top teams lose a game sometimes during conference play and the doormats win a surprise game over somebody. Over the last few years Ole Miss has been finishing with an even conference record. They play LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Miss. State every year out of their division. They also played Georgia every year but I think that has changed this year or next plus two other East opponents that rotate. We play Vandy a lot though despite that but one year we played Florida and Tenn. in the same season. That was a killer. This year we have Florida I know plus the West and maybe Georgia. Not sure off hand. I think we play a Big 12 team this year as well. Early for me and I can not think off the top of my head but I will look it up later. The SEC has it tough.

    Now the Big 12 just does not come off that way. You have your powerhouses that run over everyone else and you may or may not fill your bowl slots where the SEC has 6 or 7 slots and we almost always have at least 8 teams that are eligible for bowls. Ole Miss got left out last year despite having 7 wins.

    So that is the way I look at things when it comes to the conferences. I like Big 12 and they are the best behind the SEC in my view. Right behind them is the Big 10(who can not count).

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    I don't think we'll ever agree who the most deserving team to play Miami last year was. I think Nebraska, some of you think Oregon, some of you think Colorado, and that's fine. In all honesty, I don't think any of them were very deserving. Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Texas all had a chance to claim their spot as the number 2 team, but they all choked.

    I like the BCS. It's far from a perfect system, but it's better than any previous system. If you look at the final BCS standings last year, you'll see that all of the computers had Nebraska ranked second or third, while the human voters had them fourth. Of course you look at that and think, "What the hell is wrong with those crazy computers? The BCS sucks!" But the only thing wrong with the computers is that, unlike the human polls, they don't work on a "bubble" system, where a team keeps rising if the keep winning, but when they lose the bubble pops and they fall like a rock. The Colorado game was Nebraska's first loss, so why should they fall below a bunch of 2 and even 3 loss teams?

    The other "problem" with the computers is that they aren't biased pieces of sh*t that try to take matters into their own hands if they don't like what the human polls spit out. If you'll remember, last year, after all those upsets, when it was realized that Nebraska still had a shot at the Rose Bowl, many of the voters decided that was wrong and tried to stop it. Before the final AP and Coaches polls came out, the AP had Colorado third and Nebraska fourth. The coaches had Nebraska third and Colorado fourth. So everyone bitched and moaned, so when the final poll came out, the coaches flip flopped NU and CU when NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAD PLAYED A GAME THE PREVIOUS WEEK!

    That, my friends, is complete and utter bull sh*t.

    So because of that, and that ridiculous "quality-win component", Colorado was a mere .05 points behind Nebraska, and so continued the bitching and moaning.

    Before you say the quality win component is a good thing, let me give you a quick history lesson. It was added last year to prevent so-called travesties like the one that happend in 2000, when Florida State was number 2 ahead of Miami who had beat them, and Washington, who had beaten Miami. But let me point out that if this had been in place in '99, one-loss Nebraska would've likely finished ahead of undefeated Virginia Tech, and even I'll agree that that would've been wrong.

    My point is this quality win crap will cause more problems than it'll correct. They already watered it down this year, how long before they get rid of it entirely?

    All of that aside, I like the BCS, and have always liked the BCS for one simple reason: controversy. It creates controversy almost every year, and that make good entertainment. Who wasn't sitting on the edge of their seat during the BCS selection show last year, wondering who would play Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Florida State would go over Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Nebraska would sneak in there over V Tech?

    Some of you would argue that we need a playoff system, but I say we alrady have one: the regular season. Every single game counts, and can make or break you. One loss is often all it takes to eliminmate you from the title picture. It puts so much more emphasis on the regular season than any other sport, that's why I like it. Give it a playoff system and you'd be taking away the one thing that us unique about college football.

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    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    Neither. I don't think either one deserved it. And I feel the old traditions of the bowls would have kept this from being a problem.

    This is the problem with the BCS. It has tried to turn 2 days of bowl games into "mini-playoff" and it doesn't work. In a perfect world, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oregon would have all played each other. And the best of the three would have played Miami.

    But as I said, Oregon was number 2 in both polls, and should have gone. The BCS should only be used to solve differences between the human polls.
    Ok, now I get ya.

    And that is true. Nebraska, Colorado, and Oregon should have played each other, but at the same time, Miami should have been in there just to complete the playoff like atmosphere that is building. And then, judging by how the bowls went, after a Miami/ Nebraska and Oregon/ Colorado, it would be Oregon/ Miami for the title just like it should have been. All they needed is that one game afterwards. But it didn't happen.

    Originally posted by MTR
    Yeah personally I think Oregan or Colorado should have gone to the game. My main thing is that the fact that a team that did not even play for the conference championship should not jump over a team that stomped them and went on to win their conference championship. When it comes to football since we do not have playoffs like we should only conference champions should be allowed to play for the title.

    Personally I feel like you should take a few more bowls and make the BCS a playoff. Top 8 teams square off. You only need three more bowls to pull this off. And one of the main four can still host the title game in the end and rotate. Take the conference champs you have now and the two at large and let them play it out over a couple weeks. More football for the fans and we finally get a decisive champion. Division I AA, II, and III all do playoffs. No reason that we can not do that same in Division I A. Keep the bowls but make the BCS a playoff for the top 8 teams. Sure the will still be arguement over who deserves to be the 2 at large but I would take that any day over an arguement about who should have got to play for the title if we have a playoff.
    Yea, thats my main thing too. It would have been more understandable if Colorado was only conference champs. It would be more understandable if Colorado only beat Nebraska in that one game by a lot. But both?!?! Na, na, na. That is enough to actually make a statement that Colorado should have a shot st the title. Something Nebraska didn't make at the end of the season, despite being 11-1, was a statement after not winning that Colorado game and not even going to the Conference. It is preposterouis that a team that wasn't even eligable for their conference game, didn't even play for best in their conference, logically putting them as 3rd best in the conference, would go for the national title.

    And I sure would enjoy a playoff. Colroado would teach these suckers the true meaning of football. Anyway, I'd enjoy it if it were a 6 team playoff. I'm usually against too many team in the playoffs (especially in hockey. 1/2 of the league ), so I'd get the top 6 from their averages in the 2 polls (kill the BS with a C in the middle) to grant their rank. There are other intangebles to go by if there is a tie, as always. And the top 2 get week one off. Just like the NFL.

    Originally posted by MTR
    So that is the way I look at things when it comes to the conferences. I like Big 12 and they are the best behind the SEC in my view. Right behind them is the Big 10(who can not count).


    Point taken in that whole tirade and I have nothing I can retort with, so I'll just laugh at your big 10 joke.

    Originally posted by Dumpy
    I don't think we'll ever agree who the most deserving team to play Miami last year was. I think Nebraska, some of you think Oregon, some of you think Colorado, and that's fine. In all honesty, I don't think any of them were very deserving. Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Texas all had a chance to claim their spot as the number 2 team, but they all choked.

    Yea, we won't. And there is no real way of proving who was more deserving. The BCS says one thing. The polls say another. And the fans say another. You ccould sort of see this coming though. With all those upsets that allowed this to come to a point, you almost knew something would happen. And it did. The BCS wasn't made to do this. All those upsets just crashed it. The BCS isn't perfect. And we need to find something to correct its problems.


    I like the BCS. It's far from a perfect system, but it's better than any previous system. If you look at the final BCS standings last year, you'll see that all of the computers had Nebraska ranked second or third, while the human voters had them fourth. Of course you look at that and think, "What the hell is wrong with those crazy computers? The BCS sucks!" But the only thing wrong with the computers is that, unlike the human polls, they don't work on a "bubble" system, where a team keeps rising if the keep winning, but when they lose the bubble pops and they fall like a rock. The Colorado game was Nebraska's first loss, so why should they fall below a bunch of 2 and even 3 loss teams?

    I don't like the BCS. Its far from perfect. but it is the best we have and, chances are, we won't see this crash again for a long time. But the thing I dislike most about it is that it DOESN'T work on the bubble system. Every game is exciting that way. Lose one earlier in the season, you are in bad shape, but it could be worse. Lose one down the stretch and you are screwed. It means that every game, especially the late season ones are must wins. So if you lose, so sorry, try again next year. And winning the championship is a real accomplishment under all that pressure, all those hits, and all those teams out to get you. But the only reason Nebraska fell behind those 2 and 3 loss teams is because of the huge defecit. And it wasn't like they really did much to get back to the top. Nebraska was quiet for a long time, but still rose up. Its a 2 way system in the polls and if they rank too low, they put em higher. A human touch is the only thing that the computers can't do. Logic isn't all you need to use.

    The other "problem" with the computers is that they aren't biased pieces of sh*t that try to take matters into their own hands if they don't like what the human polls spit out. If you'll remember, last year, after all those upsets, when it was realized that Nebraska still had a shot at the Rose Bowl, many of the voters decided that was wrong and tried to stop it. Before the final AP and Coaches polls came out, the AP had Colorado third and Nebraska fourth. The coaches had Nebraska third and Colorado fourth. So everyone bitched and moaned, so when the final poll came out, the coaches flip flopped NU and CU when NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAD PLAYED A GAME THE PREVIOUS WEEK!

    That, my friends, is complete and utter bull sh*t.

    I think you are talking about my human touch. Nebraska still had a shot and they flipflopped CU and NU. Because their hearts said that CU should still have a shot with all this they have done. CU made its voice known. NU sorta cracked. It wasn't bias. A lot of people dislike CU. They just felt that the NU/ CU game and the conference championships were too much to let go. So NU and CU got switched. But a computer doesn't have that passion. If sports was all logic and no heart, the yankees would win every year. ... Wait a minute...

    So because of that, and that ridiculous "quality-win component", Colorado was a mere .05 points behind Nebraska, and so continued the bitching and moaning.

    Before you say the quality win component is a good thing, let me give you a quick history lesson. It was added last year to prevent so-called travesties like the one that happend in 2000, when Florida State was number 2 ahead of Miami who had beat them, and Washington, who had beaten Miami. But let me point out that if this had been in place in '99, one-loss Nebraska would've likely finished ahead of undefeated Virginia Tech, and even I'll agree that that would've been wrong.

    I do think that quality wins a pure crap. A win is a win, but you cannot put a number to these thing. You cannot rank a game like CU/ NU with a number. It should be outlawed, but it isn't. Quality wins are intangible. If a human poller thinks that some win is important enough, they will factor it and it might mean a rank or two. But a not really important win should be left alone. One of the things that gets me is that BYU was ranked so low becaus etheir schedule wasn't too good. so if your schedule sucks, you can't get a championship? That shouldn't happen, but it does. A big game cannot equal a number. It just cannot be done... done correctly at least.

    My point is this quality win crap will cause more problems than it'll correct. They already watered it down this year, how long before they get rid of it entirely?

    Dunno, but they should get rid of it soon. Poor BYU deserved a shot even though they would have lost.

    All of that aside, I like the BCS, and have always liked the BCS for one simple reason: controversy. It creates controversy almost every year, and that make good entertainment. Who wasn't sitting on the edge of their seat during the BCS selection show last year, wondering who would play Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Florida State would go over Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Nebraska would sneak in there over V Tech?

    But if it is causing controversy every year, is that really that good. Sure, it might be a little entertaining, but if everyone disagrees with it every single year, doesn't that signify that something is up. There is something they are missing or some bug in the computers because the BCS shouldn't disagree with what all coaches think, what all AP reporters think, and all fans think. America is majority rules so 100,000,000 should outway 1. But it doesn't.

    Some of you would argue that we need a playoff system, but I say we alrady have one: the regular season. Every single game counts, and can make or break you. One loss is often all it takes to eliminmate you from the title picture. It puts so much more emphasis on the regular season than any other sport, that's why I like it. Give it a playoff system and you'd be taking away the one thing that us unique about college football.
    A playoff system really would only be an extension of what the regular season already holds. It just lets the teams that should play each other play each other. And that certain will make for great games. Its just like the NFL, but the NCAA Football creates a lot more tension, pressure, and excitement.

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    No we are not going to agree on who should have played but that is life. I like the debate that has come out of it. But I hate that it comes down to that almost every year with the current BCS system. Too much debate in my mind. I feel like Nebraska was a great team and would be a great at large for a 8 team playoff but straight to a title game when you did not play for your conference bugs me.

    As far as the bubble thing. That is one thing about NCAA football. A late loss hurts you. By the end of the season you should be at your best though in preparing for a bowl game and possible shot at the National title. You can not let your guard down at all so yes a late loss is worse than an early loss. An early loss you can make up for it or even avenge in a conference title game like CU did.

    And I am glad you like my little joke, Shad. That conference drives me nuts that they can not simple rename themselves like the Big 8 did when they added 4 teams. Granted kind of stupid in my view to name your conference with a number in case you want to drop or add teams.

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    Originally posted by MTR
    No we are not going to agree on who should have played but that is life. I like the debate that has come out of it. But I hate that it comes down to that almost every year with the current BCS system. Too much debate in my mind. I feel like Nebraska was a great team and would be a great at large for a 8 team playoff but straight to a title game when you did not play for your conference bugs me.

    Agreed.

    As far as the bubble thing. That is one thing about NCAA football. A late loss hurts you. By the end of the season you should be at your best though in preparing for a bowl game and possible shot at the National title. You can not let your guard down at all so yes a late loss is worse than an early loss. An early loss you can make up for it or even avenge in a conference title game like CU did.

    Yup. CU gets all the credit on that one. Not too many people cared about the Texas loss because we avenged it. Few also cared about the Fresno loss because it was early season and Fresno wasn't too bad. But those tallies in the loss column killed us. Had we not lost to Fresno, we would be national champs right now because Miami couldn't handle us.

    And I am glad you like my little joke, Shad. That conference drives me nuts that they can not simple rename themselves like the Big 8 did when they added 4 teams. Granted kind of stupid in my view to name your conference with a number in case you want to drop or add teams.
    Ever notice that there are 3 conferences that claim to be big? Seems like some teams have a little insecurity problem. Well, having a Big 12 with 10 teams is better than having a strike, right?

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    Originally posted by The_shad


    A human touch is the only thing that the computers can't do. Logic isn't all you need to use.

    True that, but the humans need to use some logic. After Colorado and Nebraska were done with their regular seasons, the coaches had Nebraska third and Colorado fourth. Then when LSU upset Tennessee and it looked like Nebraska had a chance at the Rose Bowl, they flip flopped them. NEITHER NEBRASKA NOR COLORADO HAD PLAYED A GAME THAT WEEK! They just couldn't let Nebraska into the Rose Bowl. Most of them probably thought Oregon was most deserving, but they couldn't move them up any higher than second, so they just dropped Nebraska. And I repeat: NEITHER NEBRASKA NOR COLORADO HAD PLAYED A GAME THAT WEEK! It's just wrong. They may not like the BCS, but it's what we've got, live with it. Trying to rig it like that disgusts me, not just as a Nebraska fan, but as a college football fan in general.

    Originally posted by The_shad


    I do think that quality wins a pure crap. A win is a win, but you cannot put a number to these thing. You cannot rank a game like CU/ NU with a number. It should be outlawed, but it isn't. Quality wins are intangible. If a human poller thinks that some win is important enough, they will factor it and it might mean a rank or two. But a not really important win should be left alone. One of the things that gets me is that BYU was ranked so low becaus etheir schedule wasn't too good. so if your schedule sucks, you can't get a championship? That shouldn't happen, but it does. A big game cannot equal a number. It just cannot be done... done correctly at least.

    Amen to all that. I'm glad we finally agree on something!

    Originally posted by The_shad


    But if it is causing controversy every year, is that really that good. Sure, it might be a little entertaining, but if everyone disagrees with it every single year, doesn't that signify that something is up. There is something they are missing or some bug in the computers because the BCS shouldn't disagree with what all coaches think, what all AP reporters think, and all fans think. America is majority rules so 100,000,000 should outway 1. But it doesn't.

    I agree that too much controversy is a bad thing, but where are you getting this every year stuff? Last year had a lot, and there was some the year before with the Florida State/Miami/Washington thing, but the two years before things went fine.

    It's not like the human polls play no part in the BCS, they play a huge part, bigger than any of the other components. And there were lots of people who thought Nebraska was the best choice, and not just people IN Nebraska. At the end of last year, there was a poll about it at ABC's BCS website. Nebraska won, Oregon was second, and Colorado was third.

    Originally posted by The_shad


    A playoff system really would only be an extension of what the regular season already holds. It just lets the teams that should play each other play each other. And that certain will make for great games. Its just like the NFL, but the NCAA Football creates a lot more tension, pressure, and excitement.
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    When I say I like the BCS, that doesn't mean I'm completely against a playoff. I think a playoff would be great and fun to watch, I just don't think all the BCS bashing is necessary. I think it's done a fine job, and it's what we have for at least the next few years. Live with it.

    Originally posted by MTR


    No we are not going to agree on who should have played but that is life. I like the debate that has come out of it. But I hate that it comes down to that almost every year with the current BCS system. Too much debate in my mind. I feel like Nebraska was a great team and would be a great at large for a 8 team playoff but straight to a title game when you did not play for your conference bugs me.

    As far as the bubble thing. That is one thing about NCAA football. A late loss hurts you. By the end of the season you should be at your best though in preparing for a bowl game and possible shot at the National title. You can not let your guard down at all so yes a late loss is worse than an early loss. An early loss you can make up for it or even avenge in a conference title game like CU did.

    You make some good points, but I still think a loss should be a loss no matter when it happens. Some of the voters actually vote this way, taking the whole season into accound rather that just that one loss that happened this week.

    Originally posted by The_shad


    Yup. CU gets all the credit on that one. Not too many people cared about the Texas loss because we avenged it. Few also cared about the Fresno loss because it was early season and Fresno wasn't too bad. But those tallies in the loss column killed us. Had we not lost to Fresno, we would be national champs right now because Miami couldn't handle us.

    There you go again, just dismissing the Fresno loss becuase it happened early. IT STILL HAPPENED. Early losses can't be ignored, conference or non-conference. Yes, you avenged the Texas loss, but it still happened. (See: Nebraska, 1999)

    If you would've beaten Fresno, you would've been in the Rose Bowl, hands down, no questions asked. But you didn't, so better luck next year. And see you in Lincoln on Thanksgiving.

    By the way, Miami would've wiped the floor with you.

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    Originally posted by Dumpy
    I don't think we'll ever agree who the most deserving team to play Miami last year was. I think Nebraska, some of you think Oregon, some of you think Colorado, and that's fine. In all honesty, I don't think any of them were very deserving. Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Texas all had a chance to claim their spot as the number 2 team, but they all choked.


    EVERY team has a chance to claim that title shot at the beginning of the season. But in the end, Oregon was the only that had a real argument for it, IMO.


    I like the BCS. It's far from a perfect system, but it's better than any previous system.
    The orginal system of the polls worked for DECADES, and worked very well. Sure, their was few arguments, but not as many as the BCS causes.

    If you look at the final BCS standings last year, you'll see that all of the computers had Nebraska ranked second or third, while the human voters had them fourth. Of course you look at that and think, "What the hell is wrong with those crazy computers? The BCS sucks!" But the only thing wrong with the computers is that, unlike the human polls, they don't work on a "bubble" system, where a team keeps rising if the keep winning, but when they lose the bubble pops and they fall like a rock. The Colorado game was Nebraska's first loss, so why should they fall below a bunch of 2 and even 3 loss teams?
    That's easy. Because they didn't win their conference. And the BCS system is so screwed up that losing their conference gave them the title shot. Had Nebraska won to play for the conference, and lost the conference game, the computers would have placed them at an estimated 5 or 6th.

    I wouldn't be suprised if Nebraska actually thinks about throwing the game against Colorado this year. It actually helps them.


    The other "problem" with the computers is that they aren't biased pieces of sh*t that try to take matters into their own hands if they don't like what the human polls spit out. If you'll remember, last year, after all those upsets, when it was realized that Nebraska still had a shot at the Rose Bowl, many of the voters decided that was wrong and tried to stop it. Before the final AP and Coaches polls came out, the AP had Colorado third and Nebraska fourth. The coaches had Nebraska third and Colorado fourth. So everyone bitched and moaned, so when the final poll came out, the coaches flip flopped NU and CU when NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAD PLAYED A GAME THE PREVIOUS WEEK!

    That, my friends, is complete and utter bull sh*t.
    Yah, but the computers maybe need a tad bit of biased. The computers don't can't watch the game. The computers can't see a Nebraska three years ago playing like SHIT against UCF. In fact playing so bad that they were losing at the half, and their own fans booed them as they walked off the field. They may have slipped in a win, but the game was a flop for them. The humans can see that, and adjust their thinking. All the computers can see is : Win by 7 points.

    There is so many intangibles that the computers can't see. You talk about the flip-flop of NU and CU. Maybe the coaches had seen something in practice that affected them. An injury report can affect it. If Miami annouced today that Ken Dorsey would be out the entire season, I think you may see a flop after the first week of the polls. Once again, the computers can't see that.


    So because of that, and that ridiculous "quality-win component", Colorado was a mere .05 points behind Nebraska, and so continued the bitching and moaning.
    The "quality-win" is an attempt to emulate the humans. It was designed to prevent Miami's argument year before last. Miami beat FSU in the regular season, only to see FSU go ahead of Miami in the BCS, even though FSU's only lost was to Miami.....

    And Colorado can bitch all they want about how they should be over Nebraska (which they should have been) but they cannot argue that Oregon should have been over them (which Oregon proved by knocking the shit out of CU)


    Before you say the quality win component is a good thing, let me give you a quick history lesson. It was added last year to prevent so-called travesties like the one that happend in 2000, when Florida State was number 2 ahead of Miami who had beat them, and Washington, who had beaten Miami. But let me point out that if this had been in place in '99, one-loss Nebraska would've likely finished ahead of undefeated Virginia Tech, and even I'll agree that that would've been wrong.
    More proof that the BCS is a crock of shit. It is a system that will never be perfect


    All of that aside, I like the BCS, and have always liked the BCS for one simple reason: controversy. It creates controversy almost every year, and that make good entertainment. Who wasn't sitting on the edge of their seat during the BCS selection show last year, wondering who would play Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Florida State would go over Miami? Or the year before, wondering if Nebraska would sneak in there over V Tech?
    This is not the controversy that the sport needs. It shows what a flawed system, and a roll of the dice the computers are. Teams make it in by being lucky at the computers, not by what really happens during the season. Of course, I also find it funny that it is still possible that the BCS can possibly cause the very controversy it was designed to prevent. Had Nebraska beaten Miami, the BCS dictates that the Coach's poll has to declare Nebraska the winner. The AP poll, however, is bound to that rule. They most likely would have picked Oregon over NU. Split-Champions.

    Some of you would argue that we need a playoff system, but I say we alrady have one: the regular season. Every single game counts, and can make or break you. One loss is often all it takes to eliminmate you from the title picture.
    Or, in the case of Nebraska, it can put you in the title picture, assuming it happens in the right game.

    It puts so much more emphasis on the regular season than any other sport, that's why I like it. Give it a playoff system and you'd be taking away the one thing that us unique about college football.
    The BCS took away what is unique about College football. A system where humans can decide the true champion. A system where winning isn't as important as how you win.

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    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    The orginal system of the polls worked for DECADES, and worked very well. Sure, their was few arguments, but not as many as the BCS causes.

    Oh yeah, the original system did a wonderful job (note sarcasm). You couldn't swing a dead cat without hittng a split championship, and not just because of the Pac 10/Big 10 Rose Bowl deal. Colorado and Georiga Tech split in '90, for example. There was rarely a true national championship game between #1 and #2.

    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    That's easy. Because they didn't win their conference. And the BCS system is so screwed up that losing their conference gave them the title shot. Had Nebraska won to play for the conference, and lost the conference game, the computers would have placed them at an estimated 5 or 6th.

    I wouldn't be suprised if Nebraska actually thinks about throwing the game against Colorado this year. It actually helps them.


    First of all, losing their conference didn't give them a title shot. Losing to CU killed Nebraska's title hopes. But then an INCREDIBLE series of upsets put them back in it. Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Texas all were upset in the last 2 weeks of the season to put Nebraska back in it. It was a VERY unusual season, and it's very unlikely anything like it will ever happen again.

    Second, if Nebraska had played Texas for the conference title and lost, Texas would've gone to the Rose Bowl, no questions asked. It wouldn't matter where Nebraska went. But I think fifth or sixth would be awful low, but it doesn't matter.

    I won't even dignify your last 2 sentences with a response.

    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    Yah, but the computers maybe need a tad bit of biased. The computers don't can't watch the game. The computers can't see a Nebraska three years ago playing like SHIT against UCF. In fact playing so bad that they were losing at the half, and their own fans booed them as they walked off the field. They may have slipped in a win, but the game was a flop for them. The humans can see that, and adjust their thinking. All the computers can see is : Win by 7 points.



    You people act the like entire season is at the mercy of computers. The computers are ony one part of the BCS rankings! THE HUMAN POLLS ARE IN IT TOO! If you want bias, there it is! If you want human touch, there it is! If you want logical, un-biased rankings, there's the computers. They equal each other out.

    Back when Nebraska and Central Florida played, margin of victory was part of the computers. They saw Nebraska only winning by 7 and not 49 and adjusted the rankings appropriately. But now margin of victory is gone, and that's fine. The computers now might not be able to see the difference, but I repeat, WE STILL HAVE THE HUMAN POLLS! They see it, they adjust their rankings appropriately.

    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    There is so many intangibles that the computers can't see. You talk about the flip-flop of NU and CU. Maybe the coaches had seen something in practice that affected them. An injury report can affect it. If Miami annouced today that Ken Dorsey would be out the entire season, I think you may see a flop after the first week of the polls. Once again, the computers can't see that.



    You're kidding, right? See something in practice? Injury report?? Yeah, I'm sure the coaches went to Nebraska's and Colorado's practices and thought, "Hmmm. Colorado looked better in practice. I think I'll move them up in my poll." Or they looked at an injury report and saw that Nebraska's third string waterboy was injured and decided to drop them in their poll. Please. We both know damn well what happened. They saw what they perceived as an injustice, thought the system was wrong, and took it into their own hands to change it. They failed. Next time they better just be safe and drop Nebraska out of the Top 25. That'll fix the BCS. (note even more sarcasm)

    Originally posted by DAKPluto


    The "quality-win" is an attempt to emulate the humans. It was designed to prevent Miami's argument year before last. Miami beat FSU in the regular season, only to see FSU go ahead of Miami in the BCS, even though FSU's only lost was to Miami.....

    And Colorado can bitch all they want about how they should be over Nebraska (which they should have been) but they cannot argue that Oregon should have been over them (which Oregon proved by knocking the shit out of CU)


    More proof that the BCS is a crock of shit. It is a system that will never be perfect

    This is not the controversy that the sport needs. It shows what a flawed system, and a roll of the dice the computers are. Teams make it in by being lucky at the computers, not by what really happens during the season. Of course, I also find it funny that it is still possible that the BCS can possibly cause the very controversy it was designed to prevent. Had Nebraska beaten Miami, the BCS dictates that the Coach's poll has to declare Nebraska the winner. The AP poll, however, is bound to that rule. They most likely would have picked Oregon over NU. Split-Champions.

    The BCS doesn't need something to emulate humans! It has the real thing! Living, breathing, human beings who control two little things called the ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll and the Associated Press Top 25!

    As far as last year goes, you seem to forget that Miami lost to Washington, who in turn lost to someone else, who lost to someone else, who lost to someone else. Head to head isn't everything, or we probably could've had Oklahoma vs. Ball State in the Orange Bowl. Miami beat Florida State, so Miami was higher in the human polls, but Washington beat Miami, why weren't they ahead of Miami?

    Should've been this, could've been that, would've done that. The fact of the matter is this: the BCS has done what it's supposed to, it's given us a consensus national champion since it started in 1998. Does anyone think Tennessee, Florida State, Oklahoma, or Miami weren't deserving? Of course not.

    The BCS isn't perfect, but what system is? The previous system sure as hell wasn't, and even a playoff system wouldn't be without it's problems. But would a playoff be better than the BCS? Maybe, but do we need to cry wolf every year we don't like something it does and demand a playoff? No. Just settle down, enjoy the sport, and wait for 2006 and we'll go from there.

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    Originally posted by JoJo the rabid monkey
    Season opener comin' up.

    Colorado State: 31
    Vriginia: 14

    The mighty EA sports has spoken...
    Close enough.

    Wisconsin 42
    Fresno State 34 (OT)


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    I say Wisconsin-28
    Fresno State-14

    What time does that game come on tonight, by the way, isn't it on ESPN?

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    I think it starts at 7 tonight...I'll be watching.

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    Free Fantasy football from ESPN.com. Feel free to join. I created a private group called RajahWWF. The password to the group is Rajah.

    Should be fun!!!!

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    Okay, this Fresno State vs. Wisconsin is turning out to be a good game. I may have to re-think my Wisconson over UNLV on the 31st.........

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    I can't believe this game, it is so good, I predicted Wisconsin to win, but dammit I want the underdog, Fresno State to win. Now it looks like with 2:54 to go in the game, Wisconsin is going to win it. Come on Fresno State!

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    Well, that ends that chance for Fresno. Who the hell put that man on the recieving end of kickoffs?

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    Who knows? This quarterback is to ancy. He needs to calm down. All they have to do is get into field goal territory! This game is so good. I love games like this!

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    That's game. Fresno had a chance, but that young QB just made too many rookie mistakes.

    I bet he will never make the Intentional Grounding play again

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    Originally posted by DAKPluto
    That's game. Fresno had a chance, but that young QB just made too many rookie mistakes.

    I bet he will never make the Intentional Grounding play again
    Had they had Carr, they probably woulda won. But a great game anyway.

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    Originally posted by The_shad


    Had they had Carr, they probably woulda won. But a great game anyway.
    That's what College football is all about. I love it.

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    I love College Football also. It's wonderful, good game, better than I thought it would be. I wish all the games were like this one.

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    Originally posted by JoJo the rabid monkey


    Wisconsin 42
    Fresno State 34 (OT)

    2-0, thus far.

    Ohio State 14
    Texas Tech 7
    Tech will give'em a run, but the Buckeyes will end up on top.

    Florida State23
    Iowa State0
    That was with five minute quarters

    North Carolina State26
    New Mexico13
    Take that, you WAC deserting bastards!
    Last edited by JoJo the rabid monkey; August 24th, 2002 at 12:46 PM.

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    Well what can I say about that Florida State game, they almost got their ass beat. That was a damn good game, better than I thought it would be looking at the first half. Bring on next week, oh and hed, War Eagle and I hope Bama gets stomped by Middle Tennessee State!

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    Poor Iowa St. They still have road games vs K state, Oklahoma, Texas, Colorado, and a Home game against Nebraska!

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    Originally posted by JoJo the rabid monkey

    2-0, thus far.

    Ohio State 14
    Texas Tech 7
    Tech will give'em a run, but the Buckeyes will end up on top.

    Florida State23
    Iowa State0
    That was with five minute quarters

    North Carolina State26
    New Mexico13
    Take that, you WAC deserting bastards!
    5-1, now.

    Next week's big prediction:

    Florida:31
    Miami29
    Gonna be a real nail-biter, folks.

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    So onto this week's games!

    Alabama vs. Middle Tennessee State-God I'm praying for MTS. I hate Alabama

    Auburn-USC- WAR EAGLE, WAR EAGLE!

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr
    So onto this week's games!

    Alabama vs. Middle Tennessee State-God I'm praying for MTS. I hate Alabama

    Auburn-USC- WAR EAGLE, WAR EAGLE!
    You're not gonna like my predictions...

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    Game with no meaning, except to me:

    UTEP: 31
    Sacramento State (1AA):3


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    Tell me your predictions. I can handle it. I love football, and can talk about all day, speaking of which, Bobby almost lost his ass in that game. Plus, Oklahoma is not impressing me much.

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    Auburn is going to have it tough Monday night, I can't believe I'm going to have to tape Raw, but nothing is as important to me as my Tigers. No more Monday night games, and plus we have Friday night games this year. Yeah! I love football!

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    Originally posted by stonecoldfvr
    Tell me your predictions. I can handle it. I love football, and can talk about all day, speaking of which, Bobby almost lost his ass in that game. Plus, Oklahoma is not impressing me much.
    I forgot the scores, but Both 'Bama and 'Burn lost.

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    I would say Bama too would lose, but after watching OU last night, they didn't impress me much, i mean come on they were playing Tulsa, Bama is tougher than that, I hope the Sooners win. I wonder if JR will mention the game in the Ross Report next week, I'm sure he will. He will say, It's going to be a Slobber Knocker! Auburn, I only pray that my boys win!

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    CU 13, CSU 19

    Wow, what a game. I'm more of a CSU fan in this series (they never are too incredibly good. Not enough for a national championship at least) so it was REALLY fun to see them win. What is it? 3 years outta 4 now? WOOOOOOOOOOO



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    GUTSY!!!! That's all I can say about that 4th down play by Georgia. Gutsy!

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    Georgia, pulled it out of there ass! I was so sure, that Clemson was going to get that field goal, thereby sending it into overtime! Damn that was a good game.

    Best games of the day!

    MTS vs. Alabama-damn Alabama almost lost there ass in that one, they have no defensive, and like I've always heard, offensive sells tickets, defense wins championships. First game of the year, I was so excited, I was actually thinking that MTS might pull it off, great game in the second half. Damn Alabama! Only prays OU gets them next week.

    CS-CO- damn that was a good game, and hopefully this will shut up the Colorado fans for a while.

    Clemson-Georgia-I knew this would be good, and I really thought Clemson could tie it up and possibly win, but like I said Georgia pulled it out of there ass.

    The rest were pretty patheic.

    Nebraska-Troy State- Nebraska is so tuff. Wow we beat Troy State by 15 whoopdeedo!
    Florida-UAB- UAB is an embarrasment to our state, get the hell of the field.
    Oregon-MSU-Jackie Sherrill Sucks
    Tennessee-Wyoming-damn Tennessee, Wyoming looked pretty bad
    Penn State-Central Florida-big whoop!
    Oh and Notre Dame and Maryland, can anyone tell me how the hell Maryland got ranked in the first place. A totall shut out! WTF? And these guys were ranked #1 in there conference last year, how? Notre Dame is not that tuff, but you can bet when the polls come out, they will shoot up to #15 probally. It's like this every season. I hate Notre Dame!
    Michigan-Washington- wow what an upset, please, Michigan will probally be ranked, #2 when the polls come out. Do you know that Michigan had 3 losses and was still in the top 25? WTF?
    Michigan and Notre Dame will get beat this year, no doubt about it, but will they drop out of the top 25, probally not. Just not right.
    Hopes Virginia Tech knocks off LSU today, and Hopes and prays, my Boys beat USC. War Eagle!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Michigan will not be ranked #2. There is no reason to do so. OK won big. Texas won. Michigan will go up, bo no higher than 6 or 7.

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    Random thoughts from Dumpy:

    -How did Michigan's kicker make that field goal? How?? I hate Michigan!

    -Colorado lost!! WHOOOOO!!!! I hate Colorado! But don't worry Colorado fans, everybody will forget about this loss by the end of the season and you'll go to the Fiesta Bowl with 4 losses.

    -Penn State looks like mule feces, Nebraska wins 24-3 in two weeks.

    -Poor Alabama.

    -Defending Big 10 and ACC champions got spankified. No repeat for them.

    -All 3 big Florida teams look good. At least one of them will be in the Fiesta Bowl. I hate Florida teams.

    -Nebraska defense and special teams strong, offense questionable. DeJuan Groce is god.

    -Troy State will be the 2016 national champions, defeating Kansas in the RajahWWF.com Rose Bowl (and the BCS will still be around,but the quality win component will only count in victories over top 5 teams, unless that team is also in the top 5, in which case margin of victory will be factored in 3 of the computer polls which would be determined by the strength of schedule of the number 10 team, unless the number ten team is lower than number ten in the AP or Coach's poll, in which case the number 11 team will be the determining factor.)

    -The rippling of Beano Cook's neck is quite hypnotic.

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    I know, it's just seems like they like to keep Michigan up there! oh and by the way, it's seems weird to me, that we can get along when we're talking about football, so maybe there is something we have in common!

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