Originally posted by Anarchy Bunny
I dunno . . . I can't really agree that Dorsey should win the Heisman, and that's mainly because when his team does badly, it isn't him that steps up, it's McGahee.
In several of their close games this year, when Dorsey failed to do his job, McGahee always came through with the big plays. That's what separates him, in my opinion, from someone like Larry Johnson, who quite frankly rolls over anyone that gets in his way.
Dorsey's success at QB is dependent on the fact that he has a class runningback to make up for his many mistakes, and a killer offensive line. Just as you say, DAK, that PSU only gets good running yards on a shitty run defense, Dorsey only really throws very well against teams with a shitty secondary, and sometimes not even then.
When Miami played FSU, for instance, where was Dorsey? That was a team effort, and a lucky near-miss, but it wasn't Dorsey that led them on the field in the end, it was the Miami defense.
A huge difference between Johnson and Dorsey is the fact that when Johnson plays badly, PSU doesn't do too well, when Dorsey does badly, he has someone like McGahee to stand up and make up for it.
Dorsey isn't the most outstanding player in college football right now, and he certainly isn't responsible for the 32 game win streak.
Well, without a good offensive line and good running back, ANY QB will look like shit. Look at Marino, he suffered from piss poor people around him so Miami never got him his ring he deserved, and he was an outstanding QB. Nobody wins the Heisman without having great support from his teammates.
Where was Dorsey against FSU? He passed for 362 yards and 2 touchdowns. He averaged 8.0 yards per pass. I'll take those stats from a QB any day.
For the season he has averaged well over 60% completion percentage, and at least 2 touchdown passes a game. And averages well over 200 yards per game.
Dorsey has played against some of the best teams, and every game he post high completion %, and low INT.
Brad Banks is a good example also of a QB that doesn't put up huge numbers, and doesn't stand out in the spotlight. But he has gotten the job done when asked of him. Had he only had a better year last year, then I would say give the Heisman to him last year. But, frankly, last year he sucked.
And sorry, but PapaJoe has always been known for running up the score. It isn't exactly a bad thing either IMO, if done with some level of taste, which he does. He may have benched Johnson after the 2nd this week, but that was because PapaJoe is looking towards the bowls. He doesn't want Johnson injured. But look at Indiana, PapaJoe kept him in all the way until the end of the 4th. Johnson even scored a TD in the fourth. There was no reason to leave him in by that point. Penn State had the game well in hand by that point.
How about Northwestern where Penn State was up 35-0, and Johnson was still left in to score another TD in the end of the Third. There is no reason that Johnson should have still been in that game except to increase his numbers and run up the score.
There is many other RB outside of McGahee and Johnson that are better than those two that will never win the Heisman because they don't post bigger states, and aren't with a huge team. Biggest example, Forsey from Boise State. Have you seen this kid? He is amazing. I think he is going to have one hell of a career in the NFL, and amount to more that Johnson or McGahee ever will. But he will never win the Heisman, and will never be in the running.
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