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    You mad?

    We've all got opinions that we know are unpopular. And we often throw them around. But it's sometimes fun just to consolidate the controversy. What are your opinions that you know are unpopular, but you just can't shake?



    For me:

    1. I really can't get excited about CM Punk feuds anymore. The stuff with Drew seems cool now, but I can't get that into it, because I expect to be disappointed. Like I expect him to be weird or get hurt before there's a real payoff.
    2. I do not get the hype for Ethan Page. I find him just mid in most areas.
    3. I think Becky Lynch is an outstanding performer, potentially has the most charisma of anyone on the roster, but her actual matches are usually just ok.
    4. Eddie Kingston is overrated.

    Bring the hate.

    But also bring the things that bring you hate.

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    I'm excited for CM Punk. I want to experience the controversy surrounding him myself and not just read/watch old things .

    Becky Lynch is boring. I said it. Maybe she was all that years ago, but these two years have been...eh.

    Liv Morgan is overrated and people only like her because she is pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I'm excited for CM Punk. I want to experience the controversy surrounding him myself and not just read/watch old things .

    Becky Lynch is boring. I said it. Maybe she was all that years ago, but these two years have been...eh.

    Liv Morgan is overrated and people only like her because she is pretty.
    You are coming out the box hot, and I respect that.

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    Becky Lynch has no ass.

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    1. Natalya is one of the worst pro wrestlers to have this long of a career. I don’t care how nice and likable she is, she is awful.

    2. Wrestlers should go back on steroids. Also, wrestlers who are on steroids should stop lying about being on steroids. It’s very easy to spot who’s on gear and as a dude who works out religiously, I know damn well how some of these dudes are building their physiques. Lance Storm and John Cena have the most heat with me for continuing to lie and say they’re natural.

    3. too many people overhype Bray just because he passed. Dude had a great character for a couple of years and then had a lot of the awful characters for many years. A lot of his big matches were straight-up ass and often considered the worst match of the year. You don’t have to lie now and claim he was better than he actually was.
    Last edited by Hero!; May 31st, 2024 at 4:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I'm excited for CM Punk. I want to experience the controversy surrounding him myself and not just read/watch old things .

    Becky Lynch is boring. I said it. Maybe she was all that years ago, but these two years have been...eh.

    Liv Morgan is overrated and people only like her because she is pretty.
    I think Liv also gets love, because you can tell that she is putting effort into her character and matches. But she is still not in the same league as the best performers.

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    5. Paul Heyman is not a more effective manager than several of the 80s managers. Paul Heyman can't get midcard talent over. He needs main eventers to truly shine. Bobby Heenan elevated people a minimum of one level almost every time. Jimmy Hart was not far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Liv Morgan is overrated and people only like her because she is pretty.
    She's not even that pretty. Never liked her, always thought she was the drizzles.

    I will say from what I've seen of the recent stuff though that I don't want to put hot pokers in my eyes as much.

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    What's "not even that pretty" mean? Give me a hot take on someone you have rated higher.

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    Nia Jax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    We've all got opinions that we know are unpopular. And we often throw them around. But it's sometimes fun just to consolidate the controversy. What are your opinions that you know are unpopular, but you just can't shake?



    For me:

    1. I really can't get excited about CM Punk feuds anymore. The stuff with Drew seems cool now, but I can't get that into it, because I expect to be disappointed. Like I expect him to be weird or get hurt before there's a real payoff.
    2. I do not get the hype for Ethan Page. I find him just mid in most areas.
    3. I think Becky Lynch is an outstanding performer, potentially has the most charisma of anyone on the roster, but her actual matches are usually just ok.
    4. Eddie Kingston is overrated.

    Bring the hate.

    But also bring the things that bring you hate.


    I know Mazer will agree with this sentiment…..


    Why the fuck am I supposed to care about Hook or find him intimidating? FFS

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    I really like Page. Good worker and charasmatic. Didn't really get to shine in AEW except here and there. I think NXT will be good for him. I always enjoy it when he comes to St. Louis to work Glory Pro but of course they just announced he is not coming to the future shows he was booked for. Go figure.

    I will have to think about some unpopular opinions. I am sure I have some

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I think Liv also gets love, because you can tell that she is putting effort into her character and matches. But she is still not in the same league as the best performers.
    What even is her character supposed to be? Wish.com version of Harley Quinn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Nia Jax
    Man. I really like what Nia has done at least recently. I didn't like her matches when I first saw her, but the matches in the QotR tournament were good with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    What's "not even that pretty" mean? Give me a hot take on someone you have rated higher.
    Gut reaction but I really don't find anything that unique about her look, voice, mannerisms or work rate. In the history of women in WWF/E, I don't see her as anything but average.

    Like I said though, not so much nails on a chalkboard lately. I really like how it looked like she forced herself on Dom but they are so obviously in cahoots leading to that turn on Rhea. So who knows, maybe instead of a drizzling shit she can someday form a solid piece of poo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    What even is her character supposed to be? Wish.com version of Harley Quinn?
    Alexa Bliss did it first. Liv's a knock off of a knock off.

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    This is getting very fucking blasphemous.

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    Liv Morgan's only negative trait is that she's from New Jersey.

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    Tbf, that’s a terrible trait for anybody. Almost as bad as being from PA.

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    I lived in New Jersey for 30 years and can agree to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Liv Morgan's only negative trait is that she's from New Jersey.
    I literally grew up in the other town that changed its name not to be associated with the third town from NJ. If I lived like 2 miles over, I'd have gone to highschool with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I lived in New Jersey for 30 years and can agree to that.
    Nothing beats the food in Jersey. Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Alexa Bliss did it first. Liv's a knock off of a knock off.
    This makes it even better, lmao.

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    Totally agreed on Ethan Page @Mazer Can also see a bit where you’re coming from on Becky.

    I think Punk is overrated, but do disagree about the feud with Drew. Although that is mostly because of Drew just being sooo fantastic at trolling right now. I will DEFINITELY be mad if he doesn’t win at Clash of the Castle as attending there live!!!

    I also thought Savio Vega should have been IC champion but was pissed Austin screwed him out of it. Probably like the only one here who thought so.

    Will do more laters!

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    I am on Team Drew. I hope they don't fuck him over again at Clash at the Castle. Drew being the champion right now is a better option even though I think Damian is just doing the best he can with really nothing. Drew deserves a good reign in front of people. I will say even though we got the great Avengers Assemble moment for Cody's win, the booking last year was mostly ass. Even now, we should have a red hot WWE and it feels like its getting cold. It doesn't help almost everyone is hurt, but it should feel more fun and energetic as it is now.

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    Randy Orton is horrible and boring. I wish he would have picked up his third strike 15 years ago and we could have been rid of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Nia Jax
    Honestly, I can get that one more than some others. Id have liv higher, but I get it
    Last edited by Mazer; May 31st, 2024 at 9:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I know Mazer will agree with this sentiment…..


    Why the fuck am I supposed to care about Hook or find him intimidating? FFS
    Preach

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    To be clear, its not that I dont find positives in Punk/Drew. I think Drew has been phenomenal all year, and Punk has kept up.

    Its just hard to care top much when I fully expect disappointment

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    Also if Harley Quinn had been big in the early 2000s, Mickie James absolutely would have had that gimmick at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    To be clear, its not that I dont find positives in Punk/Drew. I think Drew has been phenomenal all year, and Punk has kept up.

    Its just hard to care top much when I fully expect disappointment
    Understandable.

    When mega feuds like these come up, it’s hard not to expect the worst as it haaas happened a few times to say the least with certain feuds.

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    What reason would i have to expect Punk to even be able to work 4 matches in 2 months? Physically....mentally.....spiritually.....maybe even grammatically. Odds are something will go down.

    I can't.

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    Well, shit, after reading through, I guess saying Liv is underrated and better than she's given credit for is a take that belongs in here. So yeah, Liv 4ever.

    Natalya's farting gimmick is the best thing she's ever done from a character standpoint. Only other time she was remotely interesting was in the Divas of Doom.

    Erick Rowan > Luke Harper

    Bray Wyatt did far more bad stuff than good stuff. Mostly agree with @Hero!.

    Drew McIntyre has only been interesting in his most recent heel run. Otherwise, he's been boring as fuck.

    Gallus suck and Joe/Mark Coffey are terrible ring names.

    I do not understand the hype for Kelani Jordan whatsoever.

    Personality/character/look > in-ring ability

    Good comedy wrestling > a technical masterpiece

    Bret Hart is a wiener.

    I'm sure I'll think of more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Becky Lynch has no ass.
    This is just fact, not an opinion

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    Sasha/Mercedes is probably the most over rated female in the history of the business. Mic skills are horrible. She can have decent matches with the right person but overall she's a flop outside the wwe. Arrogance blinds her and Tony khan giving her way more than what she's worth hasn't helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Sasha/Mercedes is probably the most over rated female in the history of the business. Mic skills are horrible. She can have decent matches with the right person but overall she's a flop outside the wwe. Arrogance blinds her and Tony khan giving her way more than what she's worth hasn't helped.
    I have to agree with this one.

    Sasha is a very good worker but honestly some people treat her like she’s the second coming or something.

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    Piper Niven on the other hand I feel is underrated.

    Her teaming with Chelsea is kinda entertaining but feel she should be getting more. Not just saying that as a fellow Scot lol.

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    Piper Niven is a goddess amongst sirens.

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    A Piper/Alba/Isla trio would be braw!

    S.S.S.W = Sexy Spooky Scottish Witches. Piper gets the Women’s title, Isla/Alba the tag titles.

    Damage Ctrl eat yer heart oot!

    Chelsea can carry their broomsticks or something.

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    I am fucking HERE FOR THAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Sasha/Mercedes is probably the most over rated female in the history of the business. Mic skills are horrible. She can have decent matches with the right person but overall she's a flop outside the wwe. Arrogance blinds her and Tony khan giving her way more than what she's worth hasn't helped.
    Say she's overrated if you want, but I dont see how she's a flop outside of wwe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I am fucking HERE FOR THAT.
    Casting Scottish curse spells as well around a big cauldron of Fiery Irn Bru.

    One aye (eye) of Haggis
    Two dollops of Gravy
    Three lumps of Mince and Tatties
    Four Jeely Pieces
    Five Steak and Gravy Pies

    Piper being the leader, you could call the segments Piper Nivea’s Pit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Sasha/Mercedes is probably the most over rated female in the history of the business. Mic skills are horrible. She can have decent matches with the right person but overall she's a flop outside the wwe. Arrogance blinds her and Tony khan giving her way more than what she's worth hasn't helped.
    Her mic work is definitely her weakest attribute, especially if she's playing Babyface. I still think she's an easy Top 3 in the ring. Her matches always deliver big time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Piper Niven on the other hand I feel is underrated.

    Her teaming with Chelsea is kinda entertaining but feel she should be getting more. Not just saying that as a fellow Scot lol.
    I also agree with this. She killed it in the MYC and I've been waiting for her to get her just due.

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    More thoughts:

    1. just because people dislike Mayor Glenn, doesn’t mean Kane wasn’t an awesome wrestler. Great character with an endless number of memorable moments. Genuinely one of the best big men ever and easily the best chokeslam ever.

    2. Tag and Six-man tag matches are typically better than singles matches.

    3. Triple H is the worst “main eventer” in the history of wwe. Bradshaw, Jinder, Khali were technically worse, but their runs were short. Triple H managed to ruin matches for like 20 years and would still be wrestling if his heart didn’t give out on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Say she's overrated if you want, but I dont see how she's a flop outside of wwe.
    She's brought in so much hype only to be injured and be blah.

    She was in aew for 3 months doing nothing but showcasing her talking which is terrible. Terrible booking decision on Tony's part. Everyone wanted to see Mercedes do something and instead got nothing. Not only that but what the fuck was she even? Came in as a babyface and ended up the heel? If she was really one of the best and lived up to the hype she could make her mic time work and be able to build am angle. Instead you were just left wondering what the direction really was. Her price tag warrants her to best the best of the best and she just really isn't. We've seen talent much further down the card take garbage booking and make it shine. Her price tag demands her to excel regardless of what storyline she is put in. I'm sure she's got some sort of creative input

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I also agree with this. She killed it in the MYC and I've been waiting for her to get her just due.
    Yup, then they make the inspired decision to name her “Doudrop” and (briefly) answer to Eva Marie (I forget if she’s been released or not). It seems they put her in comedy angles. The team with Nikki across had potential but sadly not to be.

    Hopefully she gets her proper due(drop…sorry) one day. All the shit they’ve given her she has made work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    A Piper/Alba/Isla trio would be braw!

    S.S.S.W = Sexy Spooky Scottish Witches. Piper gets the Women’s title, Isla/Alba the tag titles.

    Damage Ctrl eat yer heart oot!

    Chelsea can carry their broomsticks or something.
    And Nikki Cross as their X-Pac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreyski View Post
    And Nikki Cross as their X-Pac?
    Yessss!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    She's brought in so much hype only to be injured and be blah.

    She was in aew for 3 months doing nothing but showcasing her talking which is terrible. Terrible booking decision on Tony's part. Everyone wanted to see Mercedes do something and instead got nothing. Not only that but what the fuck was she even? Came in as a babyface and ended up the heel? If she was really one of the best and lived up to the hype she could make her mic time work and be able to build am angle. Instead you were just left wondering what the direction really was. Her price tag warrants her to best the best of the best and she just really isn't. We've seen talent much further down the card take garbage booking and make it shine. Her price tag demands her to excel regardless of what storyline she is put in. I'm sure she's got some sort of creative input
    She was on Mandalorian which is a show that is triple of all the wrestling show viewers combined. She was good in it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    She was on Mandalorian which is a show that is triple of all the wrestling show viewers combined. She was good in it too.
    Although a slight difference because with that there’s dress rehearsals and stuff whereas in wrestling, you get a script/notes but it’s performing live and there’s no takes.

    Oh the wrestling front, Sasha’s been in big matches, but also been quite injury prone as she works a high risk style. Kinda temperamental as well like with the Naomi and the tag title stuff. If she’d stuck around, she could have been mixing it up with the great workers and women in WWE today.

    So maybe not exactly a “flop” outside WWE, I don’t think she’s had the success she could have had if she’d stayed put. She could’ve done that acting stuff.

    I still think she’s overrated to a degree and there are better and safer workers but that’s just me I guess.

    I mean take the Meteora for example which she likes to use quite a bit. Cool looking move but baaad on the knees.
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    I hate Mercedes Monet so fucking much

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    LA Knight is mediocre in the ring. Nothing but a catch phrase.

    Like a less talented Miz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Although a slight difference because with that there’s dress rehearsals and stuff whereas in wrestling, you get a script/notes but it’s performing live and there’s no takes.

    Oh the wrestling front, Sasha’s been in big matches, but also been quite injury prone as she works a high risk style. Kinda temperamental as well like with the Naomi and the tag title stuff. If she’d stuck around, she could have been mixing it up with the great workers and women in WWE today.

    So maybe not exactly a “flop” outside WWE, I don’t think she’s had the success she could have had if she’d stayed put. She could’ve done that acting stuff.

    I still think she’s overrated to a degree and there are better and safer workers but that’s just me I guess.

    I mean take the Meteora for example which she likes to use quite a bit. Cool looking move but baaad on the knees.
    Disagree. She had one bad injury since she left and put on a great match with Willow. I hate this, well they are out of WWE, so they suck arguments. She had MOTY and probably the best series of matches with Bayley in NXT. When she got to the main roster, she was great. Yea, not a great face, but Bayley and Sasha helped save WWE during the pandemic at least on the women's side. She will have a high profile match at Wembley and will be a focal point in the fall. She had every right to leave WWE especially how shitty they booked her and Naomi. Christ, after everything we have learned about Vince and Laurantis, I am more depressed that more women didn't leave. Becky taking time off to be a free agent may not be a sign of a bad women's locker room, but WWE knows and she knows they need her right with Rhea out and she doesn't seem to give a shit. Good fo her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Disagree. She had one bad injury since she left and put on a great match with Willow. I hate this, well they are out of WWE, so they suck arguments. She had MOTY and probably the best series of matches with Bayley in NXT. When she got to the main roster, she was great. Yea, not a great face, but Bayley and Sasha helped save WWE during the pandemic at least on the women's side. She will have a high profile match at Wembley and will be a focal point in the fall. She had every right to leave WWE especially how shitty they booked her and Naomi. Christ, after everything we have learned about Vince and Laurantis, I am more depressed that more women didn't leave. Becky taking time off to be a free agent may not be a sign of a bad women's locker room, but WWE knows and she knows they need her right with Rhea out and she doesn't seem to give a shit. Good fo her.
    Becky leaving is honestly a good move on her part imo. I think there are many moving parts in all of this. I think she's probably realized she's not the absolute focal point in the women's division now. WWE looks poised to make Rhea the #1 woman on the roster. Had she not gotten injured rhea is still champ and this love triangle is playing out. Charlotte is due back soon and you know how wwe is woth her and she will probably be #2 before you know it. Then you still got Bianca, jade, bayley and even Nia. The woman's division is packed. Becky has a kid she is more than likely missing, has all the money she'll need between her and Seth so taking an extended break is good for not only her but her character. She will eventually come back fresh and missed. She's riding on her book right now as well that's still doing pretty good sales wise I believe. It's a smart move all around in my opinion.

    And lotjx, I don't think your giving wwe's social media presence enough credit. They are getting in the tens of millions of views which probably isn't that far off from mando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    She was on Mandalorian which is a show that is triple of all the wrestling show viewers combined. She was good in it too.


    What does this have to do with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    LA Knight is mediocre in the ring. Nothing but a catch phrase.

    Like a less talented Miz.
    I was super high on Knight a couple of months back, but since the AJ Styles feud I've just been kind of 'eh' on him. Might be because WWE themselves have cooled down his white hot booking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Disagree. She had one bad injury since she left and put on a great match with Willow. I hate this, well they are out of WWE, so they suck arguments. She had MOTY and probably the best series of matches with Bayley in NXT. When she got to the main roster, she was great. Yea, not a great face, but Bayley and Sasha helped save WWE during the pandemic at least on the women's side. She will have a high profile match at Wembley and will be a focal point in the fall. She had every right to leave WWE especially how shitty they booked her and Naomi. Christ, after everything we have learned about Vince and Laurantis, I am more depressed that more women didn't leave. Becky taking time off to be a free agent may not be a sign of a bad women's locker room, but WWE knows and she knows they need her right with Rhea out and she doesn't seem to give a shit. Good fo her.
    Yeah don’t twist my words please.

    I never said she sucked outside of WWE, I said I felt she could have been a bigger success had she stayed in WWE. Sasha has an injury history as well, not just one. Back injury, concussion, ankle history for example.

    virm’s covered the rest. I think you may be so anti-WWE that you’re blinkered no offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarius View Post
    I was super high on Knight a couple of months back, but since the AJ Styles feud I've just been kind of 'eh' on him. Might be because WWE themselves have cooled down his white hot booking.
    Understandable but not too concerned. Honestly the roster’s just sooo stacked right now that he’s not getting the push he was.

    They know how over he is so I’m sure he will develop those skills and his time will come I’m sure. Working lower card feuds for now may be beneficial in the long run I think.

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    Always loved Becky Lynch, but was always able to see past that to realise she wasn't that great in the ring. Fairly average, really. Maybe a bit above that, but well below the likes of Charlotte/Rhea/Bianca/Banks.

    But, I have recently also come to the conclusion that she is proper cringe on the mic. Impersonating a chicken the other week to Liv, the words she uses in her promos. To me, she is massively cringe. Like if a non-wrestling fan person walked in on me watching wrestling, she'd be the last person I'd want to be cutting a promo. I'd have to turn it off.

    Also, I have no idea if she's rated highly or not because she was in her 'prime' when WWE were giving women 2-3 minute matches, but I have always thought that Natalya was the drizzling shits. Has always just looked awkward out there. Seeing her in the main event of NXT shows recently has made very little sense to me.

    Also, yes, like LA Knight, until the bell rings.
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    Piper Niven should be booked better than a female version of Otis, perhaps on her way to become the female version of the Big Show. I get the impression that she's funny in real life, and because of that they just put her in comedy angles, or they've used her to show off Jade or Bianca's impressive strength.

    I will always love Nattie, but I love her more when she's been given time against a quality opponent. She's been used as a stepping stone for younger talent for most of her career, to the point where its too obvious she's just there to do the job to introduce someone they want to get over.

    As for what the rest of you say about LA Knight. Yeah.

    My own "you mad" take is that the long camera shots following the wrestlers backstage should have stayed put when it comes to Braun Strowman. The way he limps around chasing JD Bobblehead did not make me excited for the ultimate catch, but it just made me sad. This was the guy they used to feature as a steam train running around the outside of the ring, flattening everything in his way. Now, his mobility reminds me of the Iron Sheik in a Legends Battle Royal.

    Next is that the Judgment Day has been a big letdown for Finn Balor's career. When the group was formed, he was undoubtedly the best of the group, but since they turned on Edge, he's been reduced to what he is now - not quite as bad as Ric Flair at the end of the Evolution stable, but just a couple saggy man boobs away from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    She's brought in so much hype only to be injured and be blah.

    She was in aew for 3 months doing nothing but showcasing her talking which is terrible. Terrible booking decision on Tony's part. Everyone wanted to see Mercedes do something and instead got nothing. Not only that but what the fuck was she even? Came in as a babyface and ended up the heel? If she was really one of the best and lived up to the hype she could make her mic time work and be able to build am angle. Instead you were just left wondering what the direction really was. Her price tag warrants her to best the best of the best and she just really isn't. We've seen talent much further down the card take garbage booking and make it shine. Her price tag demands her to excel regardless of what storyline she is put in. I'm sure she's got some sort of creative input
    Still, that's a quick hook and she's done some fun things before going to AEW. Still think flop is clickbait not hot take talk.

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    The New Day, despite being one of the most popular tag teams of the WWE era, still should have been bigger.

    Fight me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    The New Day, despite being one of the most popular tag teams of the WWE era, still should have been bigger.

    Fight me.
    Hmm. One of the longest tag title reigns in WWE history. Multiple Reigns. Kofimania. King Woods. Booty-Ohs. Large social media and very successful gaming channels. Big E on the shelf a very obvious and painful drawback but did get a World Title reign. Otherwise they have been very successful.

    The Apex Badgernator is getting ready to strike…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Next is that the Judgment Day has been a big letdown for Finn Balor's career. When the group was formed, he was undoubtedly the best of the group, but since they turned on Edge, he's been reduced to what he is now - not quite as bad as Ric Flair at the end of the Evolution stable, but just a couple saggy man boobs away from that.
    Same as my take on Becky, Finn is proper cringe on the stick.

    They both remind me of cartoon characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Same as my take on Becky, Finn is proper cringe on the stick.
    Smiling tattie face Finn…thaaat was cringe.

    Here’s one. Demon persona…overrated as hell. It’s just Finn wrestling the same except fancy facepaint and wig. What was the big difference really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Hmm. One of the longest tag title reigns in WWE history. Multiple Reigns. Kofimania. King Woods. Booty-Ohs. Large social media and very successful gaming channels. Big E on the shelf a very obvious and painful drawback but did get a World Title reign. Otherwise they have been very successful.

    The Apex Badgernator is getting ready to strike…..
    And yet.....there were extended periods where they did not do very much, Big E had a great opportunity to hit his first championship run as New day payback after Kofi and Xavier were taken out. And yet...they didn't give him much. Without Big E, Xavier and Kofi are still insanely talent workers, and they've been given nothing of note the past few years. With a super talented tag division, you have two veterans who made their storylines better, and now you give them nothing.

    There have also been times where they could have partnered with someone to keep things fresh, but WWE has too many periods where they are content to let them do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Still, that's a quick hook and she's done some fun things before going to AEW. Still think flop is clickbait not hot take talk.
    How many matches did she have in njpw?

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    While I'll readily acknowledge his talent and charisma, I found Eddie Guerrero to be extremely annoying and unlikable during his big Lie, Cheat, Steal babyface run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    And yet.....there were extended periods where they did not do very much, Big E had a great opportunity to hit his first championship run as New day payback after Kofi and Xavier were taken out. And yet...they didn't give him much. Without Big E, Xavier and Kofi are still insanely talent workers, and they've been given nothing of note the past few years. With a super talented tag division, you have two veterans who made their storylines better, and now you give them nothing.

    There have also been times where they could have partnered with someone to keep things fresh, but WWE has too many periods where they are content to let them do nothing.
    Hmmm…not an RKO but merely a *Kane head tilt*
    @Mazer how much of that would you attribute to WWE booking? They started off as a preachy group and IIRC Woods’ brainchild, he roped Kofi in then Big E.

    Potentially shit gimmick but they made it woooork. Understand your points but from what they’ve given, they’ve done bloody well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    How many matches did she have in njpw?
    Not many for those few months.
    Did those matches and appearances disappoint you? No highpoints in that run for you?

    Did those matches flop?

    I get that there's disappointment, but she's only been there for a few months, and just made her in-ring debut. You just got a real quick hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Hmmm…not an RKO but merely a *Kane head tilt*
    @Mazer how much of that would you attribute to WWE booking? They started off as a preachy group and IIRC Woods’ brainchild, he roped Kofi in then Big E.

    Potentially shit gimmick but they made it woooork. Understand your points but from what they’ve given, they’ve done bloody well!
    Almost all of it. That was where I was talking about the booking.



    Again, they have had great runs.

    But WWE should have gotten more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    While I'll readily acknowledge his talent and charisma, I found Eddie Guerrero to be extremely annoying and unlikable during his big Lie, Cheat, Steal babyface run.
    Chavo has said in several interviews that he and Eddie were shocked at the crowd reaction making them faces at first. They had several weeks of vignettes before they were reintroduced to us in the Lie, Cheat, Steal run, and they were priming the crowd to be hated heels. But they were so damn entertaining, the crowd loved them. When they got cheered, Chavo said he an Eddie looked at each other and went "Damn, we're faces" Eddie didn't want to change what had gotten them over.

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    IDK if this is a hot take or whatever but I still think I prefer the Hogan era over the Austin era in WWF.

    Triple H's reign of terror in late 2002-early 2004 was the right call even if he looked like shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Still, that's a quick hook and she's done some fun things before going to AEW. Still think flop is clickbait not hot take talk.
    She did some extremely cringe things before going to AEW after leaving WWE. She had I believe 4 matches before getting hurt again. Were you loving her weird inflatable guitar and songs that went with it?

    And let's be honest...The vocal minority cheering on Eddie Kingston don't count. He's terrible and we all know it. His fans are the people who either A-like to troll and/or B-think everyone should get a trophy just for showing up. And that's coming from someone who was in last place more often than not lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel
    IDK if this is a hot take or whatever but I still think I prefer the Hogan era over the Austin era in WWF.
    Funny you should say that as beat ex-poster chotliwala in that very debate taking Austin’s side lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    IDK if this is a hot take or whatever but I still think I prefer the Hogan era over the Austin era in WWF.

    Triple H's reign of terror in late 2002-early 2004 was the right call even if he looked like shit.



    She did some extremely cringe things before going to AEW after leaving WWE. She had I believe 4 matches before getting hurt again. Were you loving her weird inflatable guitar and songs that went with it?

    And let's be honest...The vocal minority cheering on Eddie Kingston don't count. He's terrible and we all know it. His fans are the people who either A-like to troll and/or B-think everyone should get a trophy just for showing up. And that's coming from someone who was in last place more often than not lol.
    Yes.

    And if you've ever been to an aew show, you're fooling yourself if you think the Kingstonians are a minority.

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    But Defending the reign of terror is the 2nd hottest take here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Not many for those few months.
    Did those matches and appearances disappoint you? No highpoints in that run for you?

    Did those matches flop?

    I get that there's disappointment, but she's only been there for a few months, and just made her in-ring debut. You just got a real quick hook.
    Personally I was underwhelmed by her debut in New Japan. Didn't like her look or her theme. The match was ok but by the end I didn't have enough curiosity to want to follow and watch outside of highlights. The thing is until she got hurt she really wasn't dominating headlines. I get you won't see much njpw headlines vs wwe/aew but people were heavily invested and talking a lot around her debut. I remember there being some hype after but it seemed to die off to a whisper and didn't return until she got hurt. Getting in the news for being hurt after you've already proven injury prone is not the best headline you want to male obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Still, that's a quick hook


    *bah dum tshh*

    Anyway @Mazer regarding New Day, how much more should you think WWE should have gotten out of them because I can’t think of much more they could have gotten?

    Please enlighten the Badge.

    Plus Sasha/Mercedes Benz is still not all she’s cracked up to be. Like William Wallace I shall die on this hill like the monument in Stirling.
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    I'm not a huge Banks/Mercedes fan as an overall packgage. Another who is questionable at best on the mic. But, always had a soft spot for her because she was in my favourite match of the last decade, the match in Brooklyn with Bayley. All the stars aligned there.

    Favourite match outright might be a stretch, favourite women's match, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Yes.

    And if you've ever been to an aew show, you're fooling yourself if you think the Kingstonians are a minority.
    Have you seen their ratings, attendance? In terms of wrestling, they're the vocal minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    But Defending the reign of terror is the 2nd hottest take here
    I will admit I was sold on it a long time ago by the legendary poster Edgecutioner about how it was a necessary evil to build up Triple H and Evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Have you seen their ratings, attendance? In terms of wrestling, they're the vocal minority.
    I have seen it. I can see how you think I might miss it, because it is occasionally hard to notice, but yes.

    In terms of the people who are watching AEW, they are not. Which is the relevant target group for me here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I will admit I was sold on it a long time ago by the legendary poster Edgecutioner about how it was a necessary evil to build up Triple H and Evolution.
    Arguing that Edgecutioner needed to go through his run to be built up to Cewsh would become the new 2nd hottest take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Arguing that Edgecutioner needed to go through his run to be built up to Cewsh would become the new 2nd hottest take.
    I tagged #CewshReviews on X asking him if he remembered me? Nothing yet.

    Should’ve said Vice’s Papa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    you want to male obviously.
    Is it that obvious that she wants to male?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I will admit I was sold on it a long time ago by the legendary poster Edgecutioner about how it was a necessary evil to build up Triple H and Evolution.
    Waaay before your time here but there was a “stable” called T.H.E.M. Tempest, Rabbi-Tangerine, Hacksaw maybe Osi and/or corinoisnybestfriend can’t remember.

    Trips Haters Emancipating Midcarders IIRC.

    Rabbi basically called him a Nazi and a conspiracy theory that his quad injury was…a conspiracy lol.

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    Triple H is just awful. When they only thing awesome about you is your theme music, you know you suck.

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    Ric flair has more skeletons in his cloest then vince that just havent come to light

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    Might be the coldest of hot takes I’ve ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Might be the coldest of hot takes I’ve ever seen.
    Ayeee!

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    Ric Flair is one ugly dude, especially in later life.

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    Love threads like this.

    If you either can't tell a good story in the ring or can't talk properly then you're not a good wrestler, simple as. I saw some footage of that Ospreay fella the other day and it was laughably bad how quickly he got up from a devastating move and just started running about again. Good athletes are ten a penny but the absolute best usually rises to the top, in the top promotions, for a reason.

    I was away on business the other week and caught some AEW in a hotel and it was laughably bad. Just a bad, bad, television show packed with people who appear to be good on the surface but are being used terribly.

    In no particular order and for no particular reason other than I'm in the flow of being negative for the sake of being negative...Jon Moxely, Dolph Ziggler, Becky Lynch & Sasha Banks are overrated.

    Steve Austin didn't have a long enough reign at the top to be on anyone's Mt Rushmore.

    Hardcore/weapons/thumbtack stuff is pathetic - just go watch some actual fighting.

    How The Miz has lasted so long must mean he knows where some bodies are buried.

    CM Punk is usually right about what he says. People just can't process honestly.

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    Some verry interesting takes. Particularly the Austin one, I kinda thought he’d be on anyone’s Mount Rushmore just for his success and pulling WWE out of the fire during MNWs. However I do also see where you are coming from in that in comparison to others, he was not successful for very long.

    Punk…sometimes makes good points but at the same time, outspoken for his own good and loves the sound of his own voice.

    Agree with most of the rest. Moxley woorks hard but I also feel overrated. Sasha I’ve already mentioned. Ziggler’s time was probably when he cashed in but got concussed. Still like him but do also see how he can be overrated.

    Becky…seen a few comments that she’s not a technical worker. Personally to me that doesn’t matter as have a soft spot for her and she tells a good story in her matches. To me I think that is more important. if
    Last edited by Badger; June 6th, 2024 at 3:21 PM.

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    That's why Mt Rushmore talk is so difficult when it comes to things like "The absolute best of all time" Especially in entertainment. If someone asked me who is on my personal Mt Rushmore I'd ask, what's the subject? Nash, HBK, RVD, and Hogan. You have people who will GOAT Rushmore and there's 15 different people and some might not even be a former World champion.

    Austin, it's subjective. Some people will say Bruno, Hogan, Cena, Roman. Others will say Taker, Rock, Austin, Hogan.

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    If Moxley works hard, then I must be working super hard, cause Moxley is the laziest wrestler I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If Moxley works hard, then I must be working super hard, cause Moxley is the laziest wrestler I've ever seen.
    I don’t know if “lazy” is the correct word because he bleeds like a haemophiliac at times in his matches lol. He puts the work in certainly. Whether you enjoy it or not is subjective.
    @Nash Diesel interesting points about “Mount Rushmore”. I agree it is subjective in a way when it comes to Austin. Honestly never would have considered RVD as a candidate tbh but I guess he was important when it comes to ECW.

    Actually an “ECW” Mt Rushmore is an interesting one as looots of candidates. Heyman just because well it’s him. Dreamer, Raven, Dudleyz, Sabu, Taz, RVD etc. I think it might be quite a difficult one to narrow down.

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    If bleeding is hard work, then I must work really hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I don’t know if “lazy” is the correct word because he bleeds like a haemophiliac at times in his matches lol. He puts the work in certainly. Whether you enjoy it or not is subjective.
    @Nash Diesel interesting points about “Mount Rushmore”. I agree it is subjective in a way when it comes to Austin. Honestly never would have considered RVD as a candidate tbh but I guess he was important when it comes to ECW.

    Actually an “ECW” Mt Rushmore is an interesting one as looots of candidates. Heyman just because well it’s him. Dreamer, Raven, Dudleyz, Sabu, Taz, RVD etc. I think it might be quite a difficult one to narrow down.
    See my personal Mt Rushmore isn't about who draws what or how many great matches they had it's just my personal top 4 favorites of all time. But if someone asked me who are the legit GOATs, I have about 8 names I could bring up and really the only constant is Hogan. Bruno, Cena, Inoki, etc all these huge draws and game changers but the one guy who immediately pops in my head when I think about pro wrestling is Hulk Hogan. And this is not a legit sport and simply saying "They made the most money" isn't enough either. Bruno sold out 4 million MSG shows...but you ask a 75 year old lady or a 15 year mumble rapper and they know Hulkster.

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    Hogan and Austin are the only two who definitely are on there. The other two could be from a pool of names.

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    Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Reigns. Bruno built it, Hogan turned into a juggernaut, Austin revived it, and Reigns led it into it's most lucrative spell. There's an argument for Cena and maybe Rock, but I don't think they replace any of those 4.

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