Val is good but you're having doubts please explain and Val also needs to start talking.Originally Posted by Listo95
Val is good but you're having doubts please explain and Val also needs to start talking.
Just thinking about how things work. A world where Val is the traitor makes sense.
I was thinking he was good because he helped with Tommi. Now I'm not sure if that was out of kindness or because he needed to now.
Look anyone who votes me at this point has my back up immediately as it should be pretty obvious who I am? I mean I can't say no more of course without being modkilled.
But Listo again I'm high on your scum list and I am intrigued why?
Before it was because of your night actions. Now that I've thought about it more I'm putting Val as my #1 suspect.
Val called it 4 alive at D4 where we knew nothing about Ray except he was showing up, Val seemingly had a very in-depth "idea" about how Ray worked. Mafia has done nothing to Val even though he helped with Tommi.
Vote: Val
I'm putting my vote where my gut and mouth is at.
I'm not going there with you yet I would like to hear from 3puppues though with Listo's read on me you put the vote on me I just need to hear your reasoning behind this please?
I don't know man. I've backed off from sussing 3pups because of his alleged night actions, but I was ready to go after Graeham or Jitters before I sussed Val.
If I were a scum who was being prepared to survive the endgame, wouldn't my team have wanted to use non-lethal actions on me to at least make it look like I am not on their team? They could have roleblocked me once, or perhaps even vanillaed me (didn't that happen in MMO-C game at one point?).
Foxxie has pointed out that Randolph could be scum who was being roleblocked by his own team all game to try to make him look good. AFAIK the Rajah players have been playing for 10+ years. Surely this idea of targetting their own team members would have come to them. (That isn't to say that Randolph specifically is the last scum).
I pitched the idea about how the last scum could work because that is what the game revolves around now: trying to reconcile how every can apparently have a town character, but there is also a last scum character that has to be played by an actual player (unless we want to start getting into bastard mod speculation and hypothesize that there is no scum player among the last 6 who is controlling Ray Parker, and that we are to instead lynch the mod). No one else was offering up ideas.
Unvote.
I still don't feel great about Jitters, but I guess I have concerns about everyone.
I think the only person I really want to trust is Listo. I came in late and didn't complete a spreadsheet - I started to on my work computer, but the long holiday weekend hit.
Among the many things I have not mastered is what to think about everyone else's character's roles. What was the point about asking if Mazer commonly includes two town JOATs?
You had town cred by "finding" Tommi though. If anything they have killed or vanilla'd everyone else who found anything except for you and Rando.
(Trying to word this so I don't get modkilled)
This is a game with how many players? 20+? That would be a lot of players performing night actions over many days. If I were scum being set up to survive the endgame, then I would need more than just one successful night action to keep my head above water, since presumably everyone else would also be performing night actions that would make them look town too.
RoboBadger seems to have docced someone (whose name escapes me atm). If say, RoboBadger was a scum, then it would have been trivial for the team to further cement Robobadger's town cred by attempting to kill the target that Robobadger docced, thus making it look like Robobadger "saved" that player. It could have even been a two-for-one deal if the target that scum seemingly tried to kill... was also a scum, who would then look town because ofcourse scum usually don't try to kill one of their own.
I'm essentially at a point where I don't see a world where Rando is likely. 3pup I find unlikely due to that 1 comment. That literally leaves you, Grae, and Jitters. And of the three I find it much easier to envision a world of you being scum compared to Grae/Jitters.
I started playing in 2019 and 3pups just started last year. We're the Mafia newbies of the Rajah group.
Honestly, I don't know why I stick around in all these damn games. No one ever thinks I am worthy of getting axed off, or maybe because they don't see me as a threat. I think of all the games I have played, I have only been scum-killed early once, and that was night one.
But even if I was on a scum team, I would never recommend to start wasting resources on me. I wouldn't like them doing it and I think it's pointless. No one can predict how these games go, but I think blocking me multiple times would be a waste to disguise someone. All it did was make me stick out to multiple people when they were judging night actions.
I am still leaning Graeham, but I really don't know. It's all a guessing game right now and I freaking hate it. We can still lose this game and we have to take our best shot.
Is Graeham just sitting back and letting us make all the wrong decisions?
Did Val fuck up with a small remark?
Jitters.... Jitters?
Are you really feeling that Val is the best shot over Graeham or Jitters? Val is doing a damn good job acting town if it's all a scam.
Right now I feel like Val>Grae>>>Jitters I think.
You're convincing me that Val certainly could be the traitor, but I am still not feeling great about both Grae and Jitters.
I keep coming back to thinking that Lothario has had a lot of success hiding behind always different people. Someone is a traitor apparently acting as two characters at once. I really really didn't like the fact that it was Future's comments that helped convince us who Grae/Lothario is.
Another thing bugging me is that both Grae and Val - who I think is Robo - acted last night. And scum didn't have a kill attempt. If Grae is a fake hider, perhaps he was restricted in not being able to kill while he hides. Val attempting to mess with me - blocking me - also could have prevented them from carrying out a kill.
I am not entirely sure though, that Val is really another town JoAT. If Val was town, and had a block ability, then why wouldn't he have used it on scum? Something makes me wonder if his role actually has potentially random outcomes - that maybe he'd be told about which happened to his target, but he'd have to rely on the writeup to piece things together.
Mazer seems to like throwing randomness into his games, as it messes with our ability to figure out who has what role.
If Mazer has given town a role like that - and I would think maybe he has - then it's possible that the traitor has something similar.
vote val
VOTE VAL the Moofia Boss
Jitters (1)-Val
Val (3)-listo, rando, 3p
Last edited by Mazer; June 1st, 2023 at 11:00 AM.
Not what I was expecting...
Well I have it between you, Val, or Jitters. Would you rather us vote you today?
Yes, if the next day phase is just going to lead into pointing fingers at me.Well I have it between you, Val, or Jitters. Would you rather us vote you today?
I think if Foxxi were still around, she'd probably want us to focus on the players who haven't acted at night.
Please explain. Who are you suggesting we point a finger at?
I think I know who he wants to target today.
Who? Now is not a time for people to remain quiet.
Is Grae's calling for us to look at those who aren't acting at night just forgetting - like I did - that someone got vanilla'd, and lost the ability for any night action?
That would be my guess. Or Hippie.
And we're still sticking with Val?
I believe that is best for today yes.
A bit less than an hour left.
Vote Val
Jitters (1)-Val
Val (4)-listo, rando, 3p, jitters
Hammer
Write-up incoming
In the realm of BadgerBattleWorld, a heroic sight unfurled,
Lothario Badger, Young Badger, Badger Noir, Hippie Badger, Spy Badger, Robo Badger-they swirled.
Approaching Ray Parlour's lair, their hearts filled with might,
Little did they know, a treacherous twist awaited them this night.
As they reached the door, Robo Badger's circuits went awry,
He turned on his comrades, a traitor in the blink of an eye.
Ray Parlour emerged, a wicked grin upon his face,
Reveling in his deceit, he taunted them with disgrace.
Controlling Robo Badger, his puppet in this grand affair,
Ray Parlour reveled in his power, his wickedness laid bare.
The Badgers, stunned and in disarray, seemed destined for defeat,
Their hope flickering faintly, victory felt out of reach.
But from the shadows stepped Young Badger, pure of heart and brave,
With a rallying cry, he reminded them of the strength they could save.
United once more, the Badgers unleashed their greatest might,
A force so potent, so relentless, they called it "The Badgering" in the night.
In a circle they formed, around Robo and Ray,
Pithy observations and crappy wrestling jokes came their way.
"Which wrestler is the greatest golfer?" one quipped with glee,
"Booker Tee!" they cried, as laughter echoed through the scene.
Robo's circuits faltered, unable to compute the jest,
He shut down, overwhelmed, unable to protest.
Ray, desperate to counter, wielded the power of the British Press,
But against the Badgers' onslaught, it proved futile, I confess.
The Badgers Badgered and Badgered, relentless and unyielding,
Ray Parlour's reign of terror soon met its final unsealing.
Banned from BadgerBattleWorld, his tyranny finally undone,
The realm trembled and shook, a battle-hardened world begun.
From the core of BadgerBattleWorld, the fallen Badgers did emerge,
Given new life, they joined the chorus, the final surge.
A war-stricken land transformed, blossomed into paradise's embrace,
A Statue of Badger, a symbol of triumph, rose with grace.
Resplendent and grand, akin to the Lincoln Memorial's sight,
The Badgers danced and sang, their spirits soaring with delight.
All was well, harmony restored, as they reveled in their win,
BadgerBattleWorld, forever transformed, a new era to begin.
Val has been eliminated
He was Ray Parlour-Scum JOAT-controller of Robo Badger
Congrats to our Survivors:
Badger Noir -Randolph Town EN tracker
Young Badger-Listo- Town EN Watcher
Lothario Badger-Grae-Town Hider
Hippie Badger-3puppies-.Town 5 delay/.5 redirect
Spy Badger-Jitters-Town On Tracker
Shout out to Val for coming perilously close to running the gauntlet.
I hope you all enjoyed the game.
I will post role info for everyone a little later.
Well played all and congrats to town.
Thanks for hosting the game, Mazer!
So why did you instantly go after Tommi and not try to frame it on me?
Thanks for the game!
I enjoyed my role!
You would have flipped watcher and that would have looked bad.
Still hate being made vanilla fyi -.-
Thanks, Mazer, for running this maddening game. Kudos to Listo for figuring it out as I was all over the place.
You don't understand how much I was doing trying to figure this shit out. At one point I pretty much had everyone as a suspect. I was fully ready to go scorched earth with everyone.
See I was right about Val lmao
Great job, Val! You almost got us there!
Fun game, Mazer! Thanks for hosting!
The difference was, though, that you said "at one point" where I was confused AT ALL POINTS. I also had a hard time convincing myself not to post a wild theory I had about you not actually being vanilla'd, and you were just pretending not to be active.
I was really mad at myself for pushing so hard on you, LDG, after you flipped green.
You did great Val. Too bad we were all caught besides you almost immediately.
Town, the 1st post after Val subbed in was all you really needed. Someone subbed in, had a 50/50 shot at scum, and didn't mention it until Listo told y'all what he said?
Scummy...
@Mazer thank you from the bottom of my heart hosting a tribute game tieing with my Rajah signup anniversary . Cannot love you enough and one day I will repay said tribute xx #brohug
At least us Badgers have respite unless virm retrospectively closes the game down and tries to get us in his pocket
At one point I was rooting for Val tor run the gauntlet. But you were working and it won me over.
Congrats to the survivor. Despite being town I was kind of hoping Val would pull it off. Great job by Val and great job of listo piecing things together.
How rude.
Sorry I had to bow out. Good job Val stepping in and having a shot towards the end
Yeah. Scum completely made the right decision when listo had dirt on tommi. And it was key that they did it fast.
Scum had a bit of an unfortunate draw, but the core group weathered through, and understood Val was the priority.
There was some good work in there to determine who was who.
Town had some good plays, and the survivors get a shout for being disciplined. Not chasing too much and getting at it until things came together.
Like it was said, it kept Val in the town core until end game pretty much.
This setup feels so ridiculously town sided. I've never seen anything like that.
I think we would have a better shot here if we went with my suggestion to have Val bus harder with his actions. I guess my teammates didn't see the writing on the wall as early as I did.
Foxxi subbing into a slot that was going to be a free mislynch and clearing herself with her play was unfortunate as well.
It's just a game though, and I actually had fun for the first few days until most of us got narrowed down and there was just no room for play. Hope others had fun too.
Not sure why I was removed from the wolf chat after my death. Pretty rude tbh
I somewhat jokingly suggested that Val should say he suspects the killer to be between you and Tommi and then end up bussing Tommi. I was freaking out so hard when he just went straight after Tommi like that lol but hey it seemed to work out.
I also wanted to shout out to thank our dear @FoxxiMcLeod, who basically came in the same time that I did, but she helped town enormously.
@Mazer on behalf of my badger brethren thank you for everything xx
Your kindness will be repayed in a tribute game soon.
@3puppies I wasn’t modkilled just so you but I can see why you might think but I think outing LDG’s role even it pointed to me as the cop was okay under sharing info. Everyone knew who I was anyway.
And yeah I wanted the gun because I was gonna cop and boost my odds for the shot (kudos to @FoxxiMcLeod) for spotting that. I think how it worked out though, it was probably better Psycho got it even though we lost him later lol.
You told your team they had already lost the game, and that you would speed it up. Your posting reflected that. There was no reason to continue. Also nobody gets to post in the thread after they're out.
I know some people arr going to dislike some games. I know I have. Might have been better to just bow out and have me get a sub after you felt the game was over day 2.
Short lived psych/cwe chat
https://discord.gg/fDXm2k2a
Scum chat
https://discord.gg/zsCruYwa
I mean CWE posted to chime in on the NK once after he was out and he didn't get kicked
I feel like this is an overexaggeration. I was still doing my best to work with what we were given. I may have been bitching a little while I was doing it but it wasn't until D5 until I really threw in the towel when all of us were already narrowed down and there weren't really any other options than to go into antispew and hope Val can pull off a miracle anyway. And it's not like anyone on our team had any better ideas at that point either.
I also don't feel like I was proven wrong here in any way shape or form.
May have been D6 actually not sure
From the point you said it was over after Val got his town credibility with Listo, it seemed from the 11th that you were done with your team. I mean, you became obvious as scum with no real push from town or info right then. Maybe that was a reaction from you, and you were really trying the next few days. I didn't see it, but certainly I could have been wrong. But, in fairness, it's not as if there was any stepping in from me until the end.. You were completely gone by the time it ended, and since you had already stated that you had abandoned the ship, it didn't seem that it made sense to extend.I mean CWE posted to chime in on the NK once after he was out and he didn't get kicked
I feel like this is an overexaggeration. I was still doing my best to work with what we were given. I may have been bitching a little while I was doing it but it wasn't until D5 until I really threw in the towel when all of us were already narrowed down and there weren't really any other options than to go into antispew and hope Val can pull off a miracle anyway. And it's not like anyone on our team had any better ideas at that point either.
I also don't feel like I was proven wrong here in any way shape or form.
Fair enough that you haven't been proven wrong. It's hard to prove someone wrong about a game. Maybe you are right and you were doomed from the start.
I'm not sure having Val, whose one weakness was if he being copped, play out of style and lead a lot of bussing was the smart play. He made to the end, and if you guys had successfully led one or two people to a mislynch, you probably win. I was actually encouraged when you drew scum, because Psych and Foxxi speak well of your town play, and I hoped you would be able to be a successful wolf. To me, although your team did not do what you wanted to do, I don't see that it was proven wrong as a strategy.
But again, hard to prove.
My post death chime in was to say don't get a conscious as scum. Hardly game talk. And I told myself to fuck off back to dead chat.
I actually survived the ending of a game?
.... I.... uh......
WOOOOOH!
Great job getting Val Listo. If you hadn't caught him, he might've actually been able to run away with the game.
Good job to the survivors and all who nailed a scum member. Good game to the scum, it was a tough contest.
And thanks Mazer. Your hidden scum character only made the rage inside my head be mildly upset at most. This was a fun game and I am glad to have come back for it.
Are we gonna get dead chat?
Glad you came back. Good game, and strong moves. You got a scum, and kept a few things from potentially spiraling.I actually survived the ending of a game?
.... I.... uh......
WOOOOOH!
Great job getting Val Listo. If you hadn't caught him, he might've actually been able to run away with the game.
Good job to the survivors and all who nailed a scum member. Good game to the scum, it was a tough contest.
And thanks Mazer. Your hidden scum character only made the rage inside my head be mildly upset at most. This was a fun game and I am glad to have come back for it.
I also enjoyed having the Randolph character being someone who thought the other scum was weird, but just went with it for the laughs.
DID YOU DIE?
NO!!!
Probably...
https://discord.gg/GFszxPSe
Epilogue (and a new beginning?):
Mazer, the wise and ancient guardian, stood atop the highest tower, his eyes surveying the peaceful land below. The once tumultuous realm had been saved, its inhabitants basking in the newfound harmony. The mighty Badgers had proven their valor, and Mazer couldn't help but feel a sense of contentment wash over him.
Yet, in the depths of his mystical consciousness, Mazer sensed a disturbance, a ripple in the fabric of existence. His gaze shifted beyond the borders of BattleBadgerWorld, reaching out to the vast multiverse that lay beyond. There, in the distant Rajahverse, a realm plagued by its own conflicts and perils, Mazer's attention was drawn.
A new realm became visible to him. in the cold and unforgiving streets of that far-off world, a young lad named Jarrod1983 found himself fleeing from a relentless gang of bullies. The bullies, led by a malicious individual (a terrible person who held no candle to Jarrod), held disdain for Jarrod's populist views, their elitist nature fueling their aggression. They pursued him with zealous determination, their cries echoing through the snow-covered streets. They were angry about people not appreciating curling, and talked about how tipping their servers was basically taxation. And Jarrod's stances to the contrary fueled their continual anger. Over the last several months, it had only gotten worse.
Seeking refuge, Jarrod dashed into a dilapidated library, the bullies thundering past in their blind pursuit. Hidden amongst the shadows, he caught his breath and surveyed his surroundings. It was within the musty confines of this forgotten haven of knowledge that his fate would take an unexpected turn.
His eyes scanned the shelves, searching for solace in the pages of a weathered, old book. And there it was, a tome that seemed to beckon to him, its cover adorned with the visages of He-Man, Alf, and Sunny from the WWE. Curiosity piqued, Jarrod's hand reached out to grasp the book, its weight and warmth emanating a mysterious energy.
As he settled into a darkened corner, the anticipation in his heart grew. With a trembling hand, Jarrod opened the book, its pages crackling with a strange aura. His eyes widened in awe as the familiar face of Sunny seemed to wink at him, an enigmatic invitation into a world beyond imagination.
Jarrod hesitated for a moment, his mind awash with doubts and skepticism. But something deep within his spirit urged him forward, compelling him to embark on this journey that destiny had placed before him. With a mix of trepidation and excitement, he delved into the realm that lay within the pages, prepared to face the wonders and challenges that awaited him.
And so Mazer sees Jarrod poised on the precipice of discovery, his heart beating with anticipation. Little did he know that his decision to open that book would forever alter his destiny, intertwining his path with the heroes and villains of untold adventures.
However, Mazer also saw the horrible fate that could befall the realm.
But that......is a story for another time.
Oh yay it's finished haha...
Leonardo should probably be a scum character in that.
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Try this link:It says the link is invalid.
https://discord.gg/uhnpCjXn
Bear witness to our wonderful banter about pockets.
Good game everybody. To be honest I was kinda checked out a few phases after my death, but I'm happy to have done my part to contribute to a town victory.
Even if it was CWE's admittance moreso than anything I did that caught him.
Thanks
CWE might be permanently exempted from forced chats.
The CWE rule going into effect.
I didn't even go hard-boiled like I wanted to. I said I trusted you, and he's like "I'm scum"
To be fair, I don't know that he would have been so straightforward about it if they didn't intend to reverse the gun back to me
It was a good mason.
That's a hard spot for our guy in any scenario.
I actually loved the chat. Just two classy guys having a conversation.
Mazer, I enjoyed playing, and wanted to give comments about Hippie's 50/50 block/random redirect role. I tried to give my rationale for when I acted, and I am sure others would have played it differently.
As a town role, I wanted to use it to help improve town's odds, by messing with the scum's actions. I think I was successful in delaying Future's kill, and redirecting Tildey's kill - was she trying for someone else and then I redirected her to someone she didn't find?
Also, I think Future's kill action still went through - I posted hard on yeeting him hoping that if he was gone, his action should've been gone as well. Is this how delays always work?
Yep she would have got a kill off, and you redirected her to the hider. resulted in them not getting a kill. good save
It would have been interesting if you were in the game earlier, there might have been some times where your delay would have led to player identification for you.
Futur3's action wasn't a kill - it was going to b3 a sort of post r3striction that could hav3 kill3d m3 if I had not b33n ca3rful
I was kind of hoping that it would go through.Futur3's action wasn't a kill - it was going to b3 a sort of post r3striction that could hav3 kill3d m3 if I had not b33n ca3rful
You posting like that would have been mild karma for flagbearer.
I know it's probably not great play on my part but I'd listened so much to what Foxxi had to say that I believed in the core 6 too much
Also Kdestiny was just a feeling I had and well it did kinda help that phase but maybe wasn't the best time to do that who knows? I struggled and I think that shown especially when voting oin day phases just dropping the name on the vote and leaving it for no info might have been dangerous...
But I know I'm not the only one to not give a reason for votes and I participated atleast the most I could so yeah I'm happy with the end result.
Only copped one scum but at least I made them shit it a bit with the deathproof so satisfied.
I thought you did well. Good to see you getting in there late game.
Was a really good game thanks Mazer.
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