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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    Actually, know what?

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    YOU'VE BEEN ON MY ASS NEARLY THE ENTIRE GAME
    Val is good. Please get off him.

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    I still don't trust LDG. I think Mazer gave her the scum role of Ray Parlour, but with a gimmick that if alignment checked by a cop she would appear green, and apparently if role checked she would appear as the EN doc. But do we have evidence of the EN doc acting in that role, to help town? More importantly, we have everyone else as trustworthy.

    Hippie apparently did something to LDG, and there was no kill during the night. However, only after Badger got himself modkilled for outright revealing his action, a game event changing the number of players, only then Ray's night action was revealed. I feel the same way about this as I felt about Future.

    LDG has followed her quirky style as to playing aloof, pretending not to be able to read people, but never trying to help solve, never offering opinions as to what happened in the actions. Also, I don't think she offered any thoughts, or meaningful votes on any of the scum that have been caught so far. I think she was coached by scum on the few votes she has cast that weren't OMGUS.

    Additionally, I didn't see any of our recently yeeted scum, Tildey, Insaner, or MTR, attempting any discussion about LDG. Before they were caught, they would have known if she was not scum, and she would have been an easy target as someone who was not confirmed town. I think Tildey in particular would have picked up on the opportunity to potentially buy herself more time.

    To me, it just seems far more likely that LDG is this kind of scum, than it is that someone else is a traitor. I get that Mazer likes to do stuff that will mess with spreadsheeters, but I don't think anyone else's game actions point to traitor. Mazer creating more characters than players, and giving scum the ability to mess with town investigations, seems about right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    I just noticed this. Something doesn't add up. Lothario didn't act yet Tildey couldn't find their target?
    That seemed fine to me once I noticed that Hippie messed with Tildey.


    VOTE LemonDemonGirl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitters View Post
    But why would you want to lose numbers that don't make sense surely that's giving scum advantage?
    It's not that I want to, more so a case of creating a stalemate. If we don't eliminate someone during the day phase, then the remaining scum will be forced to kill someone at night if they want to see the numbers go down.

    Alternatively we can take a blind shot in the dark and eliminate someone today in an attempt to find the right target...but then if we make the wrong choice and someone dies at night then we're down two players.

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    This is not a blind shot in the dark. Evidence points to LDG. I will acknowledge there appears to be evidence to the contrary as there are shenanigans going on, but there's stronger evidence (and game play) clearing the rest of us.

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    If I understood what Hippie did it’d help lol.

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    Also LDG. Why have you not acted at all this game besides that 1 night and why on Tildey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    I just noticed this. Something doesn't add up. Lothario didn't act yet Tildey couldn't find their target?
    This was a copy and paste error. I just double checked all nights. This was the only time it occurred.

    Write-up is fixed

    Apologies.

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    Fine. Here. Happy now?
    Vote: LemonDemonGirl
    Now the gun is at my OWN head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    Fine. Here. Happy now?
    Vote: LemonDemonGirl
    Now the gun is at my OWN head.
    Please LDG, work with us. Just explain why you haven’t been using your action and why you protected Tildey that one night.

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    Wait that’s tech claiming so never mind. Just please give us something LDG.

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    I keep forgetting to do shit.

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    Setting LDG aside for a moment...

    I've looked through the final vote counts for each day. Yes, I said I would look at player behavior, but there are 1,300+ posts and I have other things to do. This is what sticks out to me:


    DAY 1
    Randolph voted to give Insaner the gun.

    DAY 2
    Randolph was the 7th player to vote for CWE

    DAY 3
    Randolph was the last player to vote for Tommi

    DAY 5
    Randolph was the first to vote for Peter Griffin (town EN roleblocker)

    DAY 6
    Randolph was the 5th to vote Insaner

    DAY 7
    Randolph was the first to vote Insaner (after the already failed attempt to lynch him the prior day)

    DAY 9
    Randolph was the last to vote for Tildey



    It seems that Randolph is consistently late to the lynching of scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    I keep forgetting to do shit.
    You remember to show up to the game thread and post and vote each day, but keep forgetting to submit your actions each night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Setting LDG aside for a moment...

    I've looked through the final vote counts for each day. Yes, I said I would look at player behavior, but there are 1,300+ posts and I have other things to do. This is what sticks out to me:


    DAY 1
    Randolph voted to give Insaner the gun.

    DAY 2
    Randolph was the 7th player to vote for CWE

    DAY 3
    Randolph was the last player to vote for Tommi

    DAY 5
    Randolph was the first to vote for Peter Griffin (town EN roleblocker)

    DAY 6
    Randolph was the 5th to vote Insaner

    DAY 7
    Randolph was the first to vote Insaner (after the already failed attempt to lynch him the prior day)

    DAY 9
    Randolph was the last to vote for Tildey



    It seems that Randolph is consistently late to the lynching of scum.
    What does that read to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    You remember to show up to the game thread and post and vote each day, but keep forgetting to submit your actions each night?
    I can say she was doing a night action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Trying to think this through logically.

    Randolph gave us Insaner, also copped.
    Jitters, gave us Vice, also copped
    Me and Val gave Tommi, neither copped
    3pup was adamant on future, also copped
    Grae, cant be targeted, not copped
    LDG, copped

    Do we think Ray would come back innocent or guilty?
    Why can't Graeham be targeted?

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    Better yet, does anyone have theories on who is who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Better yet, does anyone have theories on who is who?
    Not including Ray I think I know who everyone’s town character is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Not including Ray I think I know who everyone’s town character is.
    I think LDG is Business Badger, whose only action was to protect Tildey after she was exposed. Is that your belief as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I think LDG is Business Badger, whose only action was to protect Tildey after she was exposed. Is that your belief as well?
    That is my belief yes.

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    We believe Grae is Lothario right?

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    He was one of three that I had for Lothario

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    vote lemondemongirl

    My Time online is limited so I'm placing a vote now just in case. 3pups is pretty adamant about it.

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    Foxxi had told us that we should not vote for anyone else before those who are not cleared are alive. If LDG flips green then I recall Foxxi saying Randolph might be suspicious.

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    Vote Randolph

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Foxxi had told us that we should not vote for anyone else before those who are not cleared are alive. If LDG flips green then I recall Foxxi saying Randolph might be suspicious.
    What the everloving hell 3pups? You're the one harping on about LDG being the best suspect, then you immediately throw shade my way when I follow your lead? What are you doing, spreading around the suspicion to keep people from looking your direction?

    And what's this talk about not voting for anyone else when you did so yourself?

    I still don't trust LDG. I think Mazer gave her the scum role of Ray Parlour, but with a gimmick that if alignment checked by a cop she would appear green, and apparently if role checked she would appear as the EN doc. But do we have evidence of the EN doc acting in that role, to help town? More importantly, we have everyone else as trustworthy.

    Hippie apparently did something to LDG, and there was no kill during the night. However, only after Badger got himself modkilled for outright revealing his action, a game event changing the number of players, only then Ray's night action was revealed. I feel the same way about this as I felt about Future.

    LDG has followed her quirky style as to playing aloof, pretending not to be able to read people, but never trying to help solve, never offering opinions as to what happened in the actions. Also, I don't think she offered any thoughts, or meaningful votes on any of the scum that have been caught so far. I think she was coached by scum on the few votes she has cast that weren't OMGUS.

    Additionally, I didn't see any of our recently yeeted scum, Tildey, Insaner, or MTR, attempting any discussion about LDG. Before they were caught, they would have known if she was not scum, and she would have been an easy target as someone who was not confirmed town. I think Tildey in particular would have picked up on the opportunity to potentially buy herself more time.

    To me, it just seems far more likely that LDG is this kind of scum, than it is that someone else is a traitor. I get that Mazer likes to do stuff that will mess with spreadsheeters, but I don't think anyone else's game actions point to traitor. Mazer creating more characters than players, and giving scum the ability to mess with town investigations, seems about right.


    Originally Posted by Listo95
    I just noticed this. Something doesn't add up. Lothario didn't act yet Tildey couldn't find their target?



    That seemed fine to me once I noticed that Hippie messed with Tildey.


    VOTE LemonDemonGirl

    Unvote


    What a weird reaction to my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    What the everloving hell 3pups? You're the one harping on about LDG being the best suspect, then you immediately throw shade my way when I follow your lead? What are you doing, spreading around the suspicion to keep people from looking your direction?

    And what's this talk about not voting for anyone else when you did so yourself?




    Unvote


    What a weird reaction to my vote.
    Who do you have 3pup as?

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    Fuck sakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Who do you have 3pup as?
    I don't know right now. I wasn't looking at him when I was narrowing a couple people down. His quick 180 after I voted just took me by surprise.

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    Randolph, my inclination is still to vote LDG now because I think it is the much more likely possibility. My reaction was based on you saying I was pretty adamant, which I am not, and it immediately followed my reading of the analysis given of your vote timing. If you are coming in to vote when it's a foregone conclusion, that doesn't make the rest of town very comfortable. If LDG somehow flips town, I will be surprised, not just because Foxxi basically solved this game so early of the shenanigans Mazer is throwing at us, but because it would mean I actually interpreted the write-up correctly. I have erred in my last several games, and that is weighing on my mind.

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    I'm going to go with this, then. For Foxxi's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    This is not a blind shot in the dark. Evidence points to LDG. I will acknowledge there appears to be evidence to the contrary as there are shenanigans going on, but there's stronger evidence (and game play) clearing the rest of us.
    This seems pretty adamant to me. But your quick 180 on me and covering your ass in case LDG is town is very suspicious.

    Anyone covering their bases at this point in the game should be met with suspicion.

    vote 3puppies

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    Randolph's switch to 3puppies has my interest piqued. He could have jumped to LDG out of self-preservation but didn't.

    Unvote

    Vote 3puppies



    There is a hour and a half left until the deadline. I forgot if a no lynch happens if majority isn't reached? Town can only win by lynching people. If there is half an hour till deadline and it looks like it will end in a no-lynch, then I will hammer LDG.

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    I personally don’t think it’s 3pup, I have him as possibly Hippie, why would he maybe redirect Tildey N8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    I personally don’t think it’s 3pup, I have him as possibly Hippie, why would he maybe redirect Tildey N8?
    Could have been an attempt to bypass a block or throw off other town actions. I think that it was theorized earlier that is what scum did to kill someone.

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    LDG (3)- 3p, LDG, Grae
    3p (2) -Rando, Val


    Little less than an hour left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Could have been an attempt to bypass a block or throw off other town actions. I think that it was theorized earlier that is what scum did to kill someone.
    But she was redirected into Graeham lol.

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    I just reread the writeup. It would seem so. Hm...

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    Honesty I think my biggest suspects would be: LDG, Jitters, Rando/Val.

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    I just can’t see worlds where 3pup or Grae are scum.

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    Vote: LDG

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    Vote LDG

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    Vote: LDG

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    Write-up incoming

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    In the realm of BadgerBattleWorld, a heart-wrenching sight,
    Ray Parlour's cruel laughter filled the air, with all his might.
    Innocent Business Badger, eliminated from the fray,
    A loss felt deeply, as the Badgers watched in dismay.

    But the Badgers, undeterred, their spirits still ignited,
    Resolute in their purpose, they refused to be slighted.
    They stood together, their resolve unwavering and strong,
    For in the face of adversity, they would carry on.




    LDG (5)- 3p, LDG, Grae, Litsot, jitters
    3p (2) -Rando, Val



    LDG has been eliminated.

    She was Business Badger- Town EN Doc

    1. Randolph
    2. Jitters
    3. Listo95
    4.Val
    5. 3puppies
    6. Graeham




    Badgered to Death
    CWE-PMBR Scum back-up
    Psych-NWO Badger-Town Mason Creator
    Caito-BadgerGirl TOwn ON RB

    Tommi-SOB-Scum Killer
    Claws-Old Man Badger Town ON Watcher
    Dreyski-Cowboy Badger-Town 1x vig

    Kdestiny-Vice-Neutral Killer
    MTR-Nerd Badger-Town 1x Res, EN COP
    Peter Griffin-Punk Badger-Town EN Roleblocker
    Jarrod-American Badger-Town ON Doc
    Future-Rando-SCUM JOAT
    Foxxi-Wizard TOWN JOAT
    Insaner-He Who Must not Be @ed-Scum Godfather
    Tildey-The Tickling Cougar-Scum RB
    Badger-Badger Prime-Town ON Cop-1x RoleCop
    LDG-Business Badger-Town EN Doc.


    Begin Night 10

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    Day after Memorial Day is always busy for me. Write-up in about 30 minutes.
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    As soon as the foreclosure sign went up, the Badgers mourned the loss of Business Badger. Their funding would soon dry up, and they knew that they had to find a way to end the Evil League. So even with the loss of Business Badger, there was still a job to do.

    Lothario Badger knew that only love could save them now. So it was time to make love out of nothing at all. He prepared his 80s power ballads, and found a secluded spot. He asked Rando to be his lookout man, as the magic happened.

    Badger Noir was puzzled. But he hoped to find answers along the trail of 3puppies.

    Robo Badger transformed again. With his freeze way, he could stop the world. Or at least 3puppies.

    Meanwhile, Ray Parlour ran around town, looking for Badgers to slide tackle.





    In the midst of the battle, Ray Parlour's rage unfurled,
    A burning hatred for the Badgers, in his heart it swirled.
    With every strike and blow, he aimed to bring them low,
    His relentless animosity towards them continued to grow.

    Though the reasons remained a mystery untold,
    Ray Parlour's venom towards them, strong and bold.
    With every move, he sought to crush their might,
    Fueling his actions with an unjustified spite.

    Yet the Badgers, resilient and united they stood,
    Undeterred by the hatred, fighting for the greater good.
    With strength in their hearts and determination ablaze,
    They pressed on, refusing to falter or be fazed.


    1. Randolph
    2. Jitters
    3. Listo95
    4.Val
    5. 3puppies
    6. Graeham




    Badgered to Death
    CWE-PMBR Scum back-up
    Psych-NWO Badger-Town Mason Creator
    Caito-BadgerGirl TOwn ON RB

    Tommi-SOB-Scum Killer
    Claws-Old Man Badger Town ON Watcher
    Dreyski-Cowboy Badger-Town 1x vig

    Kdestiny-Vice-Neutral Killer
    MTR-Nerd Badger-Town 1x Res, EN COP
    Peter Griffin-Punk Badger-Town EN Roleblocker
    Jarrod-American Badger-Town ON Doc
    Future-Rando-SCUM JOAT
    Foxxi-Wizard TOWN JOAT
    Insaner-He Who Must not Be @ed-Scum Godfather
    Tildey-The Tickling Cougar-Scum RB
    Badger-Badger Prime-Town ON Cop-1x RoleCop
    LDG-Business Badger-Town EN Doc.

    With 6 players left, hammer is 4

    Begin Day 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I think LDG is Business Badger, whose only action was to protect Tildey after she was exposed. Is that your belief as well?
    So I had Foxxi in my head when I voted for LDG and wasn't really getting much from her but core 6 but now she's flipped town.

    Which brings me to my next question Randolph asked Listo this then suddenly casted a vote on LDG and I need to hear why? I might be over reading this...just need to hear what happened here and Listo agreed too with Business Badger.

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    Val why did you say what you did yesterday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Val why did you say what you did yesterday?
    Not much more to add. Randolph got me thinking about 3puppies. I haven't been paying very much attention to the specifics of what every role can do, and I think not everything might be showing up in the writeups anyway.

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    Not what I was talking about, the post after Badger was killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Not what I was talking about, the post after Badger was killed.
    Earlier in the game, it was observed that there were seemingly more characters than players. IIRC all of the town characters have shown up in the writeups now. The only explanation I can think of is that either one of those roles is a fake, and/or the last scum is playing two characters (a town character and the Ray character). This morning's writeup seems to suggest that there is screwry going on. It says that Ray did something but doesn't say what. I think what he did was not shown in the writeup. Hence why we can't rely on the writeups alone to solve the game and have to judge player behavior in the game thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitters View Post
    So I had Foxxi in my head when I voted for LDG and wasn't really getting much from her but core 6 but now she's flipped town.

    Which brings me to my next question Randolph asked Listo this then suddenly casted a vote on LDG and I need to hear why? I might be over reading this...just need to hear what happened here and Listo agreed too with Business Badger.
    I read what 3pups had said and I was busy with Memorial Day weekend stuff. I thought he had written the best argument on anyone so far and was willing to put a vote on LDG for now until I checked things out later. When I came back, I saw he immediately blasted me for voting against her and did a complete 180 on me. It was very hypocritical, considering he had voted against her right off the bat. After reading that, I felt he was covering his bases and opened the door for me to get blamed if/when LDG turned out to be town.

    That's the whole deal on that.

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    And I have it on good authority that the man with 3 baby dogs probably did not act last night, good or bad.

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    I post and then the conversation dies. Other than what I previously posted, does anyone have any theories, information, or guesses on who the remaining scum is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I post and then the conversation dies. Other than what I previously posted, does anyone have any theories, information, or guesses on who the remaining scum is?
    Sorry I was at work lol. Right now my possible theory is Jitters.

    Me and Val got Tommi
    You got Insaner
    3pup was early on Future and I believe he redirected Tildey into Grae
    Jitters found SK
    Grae is hiding and being himself.

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    I think it's safe to say 3pups is none of the roles that acted last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I think it's safe to say 3pups is none of the roles that acted last night.
    Issue is I don't know if that Ray action matters if they get RBd or not.

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    Only reason I say that is because I see 3 nights without Ray showing up not including N1 where no scum appeared. N5 the RB happened to Randolph, N6 had no RB, N8 had no RB either from what I see.

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    I was wrong on LDG. I realize now that I was sticking to my own interpretations of my character's action, while disregarding the fact that it meant other players' info was wrong - which I thought possible because that's how Mazer rolls the dice. I felt it was more likely that their info was messed with instead of mine.

    LDG hadn't been cleared. The rest of us all appear to have something.

    Going back to Foxxi's thought on Randolph. -

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    And to be clear the reason I feel a fake roleblocked randolph is more likely than a pups that can't be roleblocked is because of the odds that a town roleblock would just happen to sit on what would probably be the only roleblock immune scum vs scum using an ability they have at their disposal on one of their own. Both are possible, but the pups one has odds against it.
    and

    We know listo, val, and jitters are 100% town. Pups is town except in a world where he is somehow immune to being roleblocked. Randolph is town except in a world where he either cannot be roleblocked, or the Tickling Cougar can pretend to roleblock. Insaner looks like he was cop checked so he's town except in a world where he is GF.

    I don't want to see these people on lists without a damn good reason to explain it.
    Also, Foxxi had said

    That said, this is something I feel needs to be emphasized and driven home: @Listo95, @Val the Moofia Boss, @Jitters, @Graeham, @3puppies, and @Randolph -- You 6 are the town core: Do not let others convince you to turn on each other without a very sound argument. Do not get paranoid about each other.


    One other thing has piqued my curiosity - it was a post from Future, who we now know flipped red. In the following post about Grae, he wrote

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureHold View Post
    If Graehamís trust list has something to do with his role, then I would trust him, and maybe it does, considering the trust list feels random at some points
    Has Lothario actually acted on the same nights as Ray Parlour? In that they both target someone? I haven't played enough to know if giiving scum a fake hider role has ever been a thing.

    I am feeling ambivalent about everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I was wrong on LDG. I realize now that I was sticking to my own interpretations of my character's action, while disregarding the fact that it meant other players' info was wrong - which I thought possible because that's how Mazer rolls the dice. I felt it was more likely that their info was messed with instead of mine.

    LDG hadn't been cleared. The rest of us all appear to have something.

    Going back to Foxxi's thought on Randolph. -



    and



    Also, Foxxi had said





    One other thing has piqued my curiosity - it was a post from Future, who we now know flipped red. In the following post about Grae, he wrote



    Has Lothario actually acted on the same nights as Ray Parlour? In that they both target someone? I haven't played enough to know if giiving scum a fake hider role has ever been a thing.

    I am feeling ambivalent about everyone.
    Well we haven't seen Ray actually target ANYONE all game. He just has the "looking for stuff" more or less. Lothario has hidden every night from what I can see.

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    But there are several nights when Lothario appears, but Ray does not. I wonder if Lothario, as a fake hider, gains the ability to appear as both Ray and Lothario in the writeup after he successfully hides on x different people? Again, I don't know if a fake hider role is even a thing or not - and I defer to the more experienced players for thoughts.

    It was only because Future came out in his post wanting us to support Grae - and help make it clearer that Grae's trust list coincided with people Lothario hid behind - that I am even questioning Grae.

    I want to go back and look at Grae's voting history on the Insaner, Future, and Tildey trains, but I have meetings this AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    But there are several nights when Lothario appears, but Ray does not. I wonder if Lothario, as a fake hider, gains the ability to appear as both Ray and Lothario in the writeup after he successfully hides on x different people? Again, I don't know if a fake hider role is even a thing or not - and I defer to the more experienced players for thoughts.

    It was only because Future came out in his post wanting us to support Grae - and help make it clearer that Grae's trust list coincided with people Lothario hid behind - that I am even questioning Grae.

    I want to go back and look at Grae's voting history on the Insaner, Future, and Tildey trains, but I have meetings this AM.
    Possibly, but Ray didn't act N5, N6, N8, or N9, and last night it seems. (yes i fucked up my count this morning/last night)

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    It's been almost 24 hours since the game day began, can't keep waiting around forever.

    Vote Jitters

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    vote 3puppies

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    Vote Graeham

    The only time he voted for scum appears to be his vote for Insaner, when Insaner still had his no-kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    vote 3puppies
    You go from 3pup can't be anyone who acted last night to now voting him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    You go from 3pup can't be anyone who acted last night to now voting him?
    He's none of the three TOWN roles that acted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    He's none of the three TOWN roles that acted.
    Again I mention though, I have him as Hippie. Did Tildey willingly hit Grae that night Hippie acted on her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Again I mention though, I have him as Hippie. Did Tildey willingly hit Grae that night Hippie acted on her?
    I don't know, what do YOU think?

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    Lothario
    Noir
    Robo
    Hippie
    Spy

    These are our remaining candidates. One of them is a turncoat. We don't talk about Spy Badger much. Who has been the most detrimental to town?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Lothario
    Noir
    Robo
    Hippie
    Spy

    These are our remaining candidates. One of them is a turncoat. We don't talk about Spy Badger much. Who has been the most detrimental to town?
    Honestly in terms of actions Spy has not once targeted mafia, only Vice.

    Noir got Insaner
    Robo is another town JoAT who helped me with Tommi
    Hippie... idfk what they do. Sometimes it seems like a RB other times a redirect
    Lothario hides behind people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    From my end, I was quite sure Insaner was the GF after that bulletproof anyway and yeah I think this confirms it because LDG isnít. What I will also say about her is she can only act certain nights, Ray Parlour has appeared on both odd/even nights which is what I was double-checking. I believe sheís good but just not been using her role for whatever reason.

    Lothario has hid behind Listo twice, LDG, Insaner, Tildey, yourself and an attempt hide on Foxxi. So he has hidden behind both scum candidates but it weíre going with the logic that Insaner is the GF/killer in He Who Shall Not Be N@med and Tildey is the cougar, then it may be he is safe as long as they donít behind the scum killer. The night he hid behind Tildey, Insaner was the killer. The night he hid behind Insaner, Rando/Future did it.
    Interesting

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    Lothario

    Hid behind LDG
    Hid behind Listo
    Hid behind Tildey
    Hid behind Insaner
    Couldn't hide behind their target one night
    Hid behind 3puppies
    Hid behind Listo again
    Hid behind Jitters
    Hid behind Jitters again

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    Tracked Morrison/3pup
    Tracked Kdestiny
    Tracked Badger
    RBd by Tildey
    Tracked Badger

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    Hippie

    Did something with Future
    Did something with Tildey
    Did something to Tildey again (just before being voted out)
    Did something with LDG

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    Listo, while I must not confirm nor deny anything and risk getting modkill, can I ask you your thoughts about Randolph, Grae, and Jitters?

    Having looked more and more through several old posts, I think I may have been wrong earlier trying to refresh my memory of Foxxi's suspicion on Randolph. Now that I look back, at that time, she was thinking Insaner was likely town, and she wasn't sure on Badger, PG, nor Jarred. Randolph being scum would require a scum having a fake roleblock in the tickling cougar. Did Tildey block anyone else, and did it go through?

    Grae hasn't been very active as far as solving nor voting, but I don't know that necessarily tells us very much. I was hoping someone who has played more than me could tell me if a fake hider role is more likely than a fake roleblock.

    As far as Jitters, well I think Val makes a reasonable argument. Jitters got us the SK, which was arguably good for town, but also for scum at the time. Who do you think Jitters is playing as town?

    I

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    Watched Psycho
    Protected MTR
    Shielded Jitters
    Teleported 3pup away
    RBd 3pup

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Listo, while I must not confirm nor deny anything and risk getting modkill, can I ask you your thoughts about Randolph, Grae, and Jitters?

    Having looked more and more through several old posts, I think I may have been wrong earlier trying to refresh my memory of Foxxi's suspicion on Randolph. Now that I look back, at that time, she was thinking Insaner was likely town, and she wasn't sure on Badger, PG, nor Jarred. Randolph being scum would require a scum having a fake roleblock in the tickling cougar. Did Tildey block anyone else, and did it go through?

    Grae hasn't been very active as far as solving nor voting, but I don't know that necessarily tells us very much. I was hoping someone who has played more than me could tell me if a fake hider role is more likely than a fake roleblock.

    As far as Jitters, well I think Val makes a reasonable argument. Jitters got us the SK, which was arguably good for town, but also for scum at the time. Who do you think Jitters is playing as town?

    I
    Randolph I think is more than likely good, why out Insaner as a killer when scum would have had 3/10 living people at that point.
    Grae is honestly hard to tell. I've seen posts that I can read as both town and scum leaning
    Jitters is mostly coming down to what makes sense in my head. Also the fact when Badger had investigated Future, he tracked him that night and wanted to know why he was voting him. (I have Jitters as Spy)

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    N7 Tildey RBd Jitters, which should have been a night Spy would appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listo95 View Post
    Honestly in terms of actions Spy has not once targeted mafia, only Vice.

    Noir got Insaner
    Robo is another town JoAT who helped me with Tommi
    Hippie... idfk what they do. Sometimes it seems like a RB other times a redirect
    Lothario hides behind people
    Thank you for this.

    UNVOTE

    VOTE Jitters

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    I admittedly haven't been as active as I can be, though that's a combination of playing it safe with how much I reveal in order to avoid getting mod killed as well as being distracted by the warm weather.

    If you ask me where to go from here, all I can say is that I honestly don't know.

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    I'm going to shamelessly follow Listo's lead. Where you vote, I'll follow.

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    People who have done more Mazer games than me, not including EN/ON roles has he ever done what seems like 2 JoATs?

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    EBWOP:

    2 Town JoATs

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    I wouldn't put it past him. My memory of previous games is pretty shitty, because they all tend to blend together after a while. I do remember every time when Badger has screwed me over though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    I wouldn't put it past him. My memory of previous games is pretty shitty, because they all tend to blend together after a while. I do remember every time when Badger has screwed me over though.
    Yeah I was asking cause there is a voice in the back of my head being worried about Val. Like when he helped with Tommi it was still super early in the game.

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    Val. Why did you make that 1 comment at start of D4.

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    Are you talking about me posting my understanding of the writeup? I have misunderstood how Rajah writeups translate into actions before, so I wrote my understanding of it and hoped that if I was wrong or missed something that I would be corrected.

    Are you talking about the random.org vote? It was early game and I did not recall having any strong feelings on people yet. Better to vote than to do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Are you talking about me posting my understanding of the writeup? I have misunderstood how Rajah writeups translate into actions before, so I wrote my understanding of it and hoped that if I was wrong or missed something that I would be corrected.

    Are you talking about the random.org vote? It was early game and I did not recall having any strong feelings on people yet. Better to vote than to do nothing.
    You said 2 scum dead and 4 left to go.

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    There were 6 red names seen by that point. Rando, SOB, He Who Must Not Be Named, Tickling Cougar, PaintMeBadgerRed, and Ray Parker. And there were two dead red names in the player tally, therefore there were 4 red players left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Lothario
    Noir
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    Hippie
    Spy

    These are our remaining candidates. One of them is a turncoat. We don't talk about Spy Badger much. Who has been the most detrimental to town?
    Just for completeness, what happened to Young Badger?

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    @Jitters What are your feelings on things? Any input?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Just for completeness, what happened to Young Badger?
    This makes me think its not 3pup.

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    I've absolutely made some catastrophic misreads I suppose with PG and LDG just inactiveness from PG and yeah if I'd read LDG a bit better...it was just Foxxi had the core 6 and I felt it was so strong.

    Jitters votes will be bad for town and apart from a couple of misreads I should've stillnl proven I'm town so you need to get off that train if you're indeed town and where we look I'm a little stumped atm I need some direction as this is pretty difficult for me as a player now especially as I've got the last couple of players wrong.

    But yeah please if you're town you need to read Foxxi's posts read up and look at things in depth and you'll know then that I can't possibly be scum.

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    TBH I'm starting to see a world where Val is the traitor.

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    Mafia have done something to pretty much everyone who has found them, minus Val.

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    Well Val and Rando.

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