21 years of Badger: Enter the BadgerVerse Mafia

[3puppies]

Foxxi, I am not sure what to think about you replacing Rip, who we (mostly others before my arrival) were suspecting because of all the eliminated roles. If you are scum, you'd be doing everything you're doing here now - trying to look like you're solving by throwing out reads.


That being said, I like most of your thoughts, except for the suss ping on Morrison, who I replaced. You're concerned because of his (now my) vote to give a gun to CWE, who you say is an easy read, but Morrison thought we'd learn from it. Maybe CWE is an easy read to you and a few others, but Morrison usually makes a point of how difficult it is for most of us to read someone in the early days, which is why, as I recall, when town he usually favors the rajah style Day 1 Sleep.


As for your thoughts on Insaner's wagon, my guess is that since the vig kill had to be used before Day 3, I think scum figured if town got it, the chances were probably better that it would hit town, moreso than any attention that moving votes would later get.

That being said, I am leaning more town for Insaner.

And I don't understand how to find bookmarks.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

As it is, I think you never touch Badger, Insaner, and MTR. I also think the fact there wasn't a flourish to push for Insaner to get the gun instead of me is generally a good look. Probably same with Grae and LDG tbh as I think them being so quick to push me for getting a gun is more a good look than not. I also think the way Blind Ninja came around to voting me was pretty pure. I want to give some cred to Dreyski, too, even though I'm not sure that I should.

I have my suspicions about morrison. I also kind of wonder if CWE might have outed Caito as scum, but I don't think we should read into that too much.

I think both Claws and Randolph's reaction to my posts today aren't a good look. Claws in particular seemed very sour about the situation, and rather than contributing, he just constantly cast shade on my info without even saying I'm scum(though it read like he was implying I was until I confronted him about it). Randolph had a similar reaction, opting to be upset about the mere mention that I considered shooting him. Overnight I thought it felt like he was throwing a lot of general shade without really having many opinions on the game. Like his whole, “I’m not sold on someone who thinks they can get scum on d1” when no one has really boasted about that this game? And then he even admits no one’s really said it. It just comes off as empty complaint rather than anything productive.

And just so he doesn't think I'm getting ahead of myself, I'm not saying Randolph is definitely scum. I'm just saying I've picked up bad vibes off him and don't think he's done anything to look towny otherwise.

This is worth highlighting and putting some light on I think. It speaks a lot of the same conclusions I am making. Badger and Insaner I think are both town here, MTR has been shown to be. I was sus of morri from the moment he voted for CWE, and psycho's suspicions of CWE calling morri out could be something-- although there is a counter point that it looks like morri had a cop check N1? So either I am reading that wrong, or if he is scum he's got some GF type protection thing. Claws is shown to be town, but I also am reading the back and forth between randolph and psycho and wondering why randolph is so worked up about the fact that psycho had a passing thought to shoot him instead CWE. I could understand the bitter vitrol if Psycho had been like "oh yeah CWE is scum, that means randolph is too" -- then randolphs commentary about psycho getting a lucky scum shoot making him overconfident or whatever might make some sense.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

And I just learned pups replaced morri. Okay.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

And nvm about the where's BN question. I got to the part where he was replaced

[Randolph]

Either Peter or one of these new people is scum. I'm fine with keeping my gun aimed on Peter's peter until he responds.

[Randolph]

No one's going to get much out of psycho's posts, because the guy didn't live long enough to know anything beyond the guy he initially targeted.

Reading into the voting patterns of people though is a good idea.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Alright, I am caught up for the most part... thou I did semi-skim the last couple of pages cuz it's getting late. After reading more of the psycho/randolph bit, and seeing that it looks like he's been blocked multiple nights in a row I'm getting the feeling he's probably town here. It's not impossible that scum are doing some heavy cover to try and throw heat off randolph, especially since he was copped I think so also falls into the "Town or GF" category with pups -- but eh. That wouldn't last forever I don't think, so except in a world where he's got some super awesome amazing things they don't want to die... meh. They're better off sitting on a town so the sheets can't be narrowed.

Currently I am looking at this -
Town: Listo - deets on tommi
Val - deets on tommi
Jitters - got 3p
Insaner - D1 wagons and just generally feel a town pov from him.
LDG - lots of little reasons
Badger - CWE's comments and his behavior - town vibes
Randolph - see above paragraph

Maybe town:
PG - this is going to be controversial... but I don't think he's scum? It's hard to ever get a solid read on him because he doesn't interact all *that* much - but the way he behaved D1 as I was reading was giving me town vibes.


unknown:2. Tildey
4. Jarrod1983
9. Morrison/pups
11. Graeham
12. FutureHold

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Thou, if I am wrong about Insaner, that could shift things. I saw PG's opening random vote and not realizing that it was a vote for a gun as fairly oblivious - and the way he just followed Tommi's vote seems awfully brazen if they are teamed. I wish I had an easier way to compare where the votes stood between everyone at that point, if PG's vote made a difference in getting Insaner up as a contender for the gun, that could be of interest.

But my gut reaction is to say it's a town move from PG just going with the flow.

[Insaner]

Foxxi's flurry of posts after subbing in is way better than the one mafia game I saw from her a couple of years ago. So unless she drastically improved her mafia game she is probably just town here. I know that subbing in as a wolf mid game can be tough in general. I definitely don't think that this slot should be a wagon for today.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Vote: Graeham


convince me you're town.

[Insaner]

Hey Foxxi, can you tell me more about the reasons that make you think LDG and PG are towny here?

Out of the people in your POE, Morrison has a few mechanical things going for him as well as Psycho legacy and I also think Tildey has been villager on play.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Hey Foxxi, can you tell me more about the reasons that make you think LDG and PG are towny here?

Out of the people in your POE, Morrison has a few mechanical things going for him as well as Psycho legacy and I also think Tildey has been villager on play.

I can't give much on PG - see my previous post. It's extremely hard to read him because he gives so little interaction, but that one thing day one just felt pure.

As for LDG, it was a bunch of just light free posts from her that I don't see her replicating if she were scum, combined with the fact that she voted to give psycho the gun; and I think if she were teamed her mates would probably have nudged her to do something that was *not that vote*

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Thou, if I am wrong about Insaner, that could shift things. I saw PG's opening random vote and not realizing that it was a vote for a gun as fairly oblivious - and the way he just followed Tommi's vote seems awfully brazen if they are teamed. I wish I had an easier way to compare where the votes stood between everyone at that point, if PG's vote made a difference in getting Insaner up as a contender for the gun, that could be of interest.

But my gut reaction is to say it's a town move from PG just going with the flow.

@Insaner

this post

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Hey Foxxi, can you tell me more about the reasons that make you think LDG and PG are towny here?

Out of the people in your POE, Morrison has a few mechanical things going for him as well as Psycho legacy and I also think Tildey has been villager on play.

Can you elaborate on morri? I know he was cop checked, so if he is scum he'd have to be have GF protection or something - but what other mechanical things does he have? And what psycho legacy, because it sounded to me like that legacy was suspicion?

[Insaner]

Yeah, I saw those after making the request. Yeah, I can see the PG reasoning, scum are usually scared of voting together like that.

The holes I see in LDG reasoning is that 1) What if her teammates wouldn't nudge her about giving her the gun; 2) Would she even listen if they did?

Can you tell me more about the "little things"?

[Insaner]

Can you elaborate on morri? I know he was cop checked, so if he is scum he'd have to be have GF protection or something - but what other mechanical things does he have?

One of the texts suggests he was jailed and I think he got jailed/blocked on another night again when lots of scum acted.

And what psycho legacy, because it sounded to me like that legacy was suspicion?

Exaxtly.

[Tildey]

Can you elaborate on morri? I know he was cop checked, so if he is scum he'd have to be have GF protection or something - but what other mechanical things does he have? And what psycho legacy, because it sounded to me like that legacy was suspicion?

I have Morrison down as cleared on my spreadsheet. I think it depends on how you read Punk Badger’s actions. I read it as jailing Morrison. If that’s correct then he couldn’t be any of the people that acted those nights. On both nights all alive scum roles showed up in the write up. I’m not always great at interpreting flavor, though, so if you read those actions differently I would love to hear your thoughts?

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Yeah, I saw those after making the request. Yeah, I can see the PG reasoning, scum are usually scared of voting together like that.

The holes I see in LDG reasoning is that 1) What if her teammates wouldn't nudge her about giving her the gun; 2) Would she even listen if they did?

Can you tell me more about the "little things"?

I can try.... I can go grab the posts, but this is probably going be one of those "you have to know the person" things

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Ok, but I still don't know who that is?

this was the first one that pinged on my radar. She tends to make these sort of comments as town. I could see it happening as scum too, but it feels town to me.

I have a feeling that's BN then. He probably would do it because I'm useless and Scum doesn't consider me a threat.

this reeks of town. I don't know how to explain it, but this is her town play.

I somehow am getting the feeling that Psycho is Scum and that CWE is either:
one of his Scum mates or actually Town.

Yeah.

Vote: Psycho

CWE is either town or scum. Yup. This is not a wolf post.

Unvote
Fuck sakes. There's no point.

This is frustrated town from her I feel.

Oh shit, RIP Psycho

pure. Yeah it can be faked. I don't believe it to be though.

[Insaner]

this was the first one that pinged on my radar. She tends to make these sort of comments as town. I could see it happening as scum too, but it feels town to me.


this reeks of town. I don't know how to explain it, but this is her town play.


CWE is either town or scum. Yup. This is not a wolf post.


This is frustrated town from her I feel.


pure. Yeah it can be faked. I don't believe it to be though.

Alright. I' promise I'll consider these thoughts after scum kill you tonight!

[FoxxiMcLeod]

I have Morrison down as cleared on my spreadsheet. I think it depends on how you read Punk Badger’s actions. I read it as jailing Morrison. If that’s correct then he couldn’t be any of the people that acted those nights. On both nights all alive scum roles showed up in the write up. I’m not always great at interpreting flavor, though, so if you read those actions differently I would love to hear your thoughts?

I haven't really dug at interpretating the write ups fully, I saw the cop checks but those typically stand out as easy to read. If he was jailed and all reds acted then that does look good for him.

[Tildey]

I haven't really dug at interpretating the write ups fully, I saw the cop checks but those typically stand out as easy to read. If he was jailed and all reds acted then that does look good for him.

Check N2 & N4 write ups if you're interested in doing an eval on it. Punk Badger has only acted those two nights and both nights targeted Morrison (after he'd been copped & tracked on N1).

[LemonDemonGirl]

Alright. I' promise I'll consider these thoughts after scum kill you tonight!

Sure thing, Scum
Vote: Insaner

[Insaner]

I appreciate ya LDG

[FoxxiMcLeod]

So town it hurts XD

[FoxxiMcLeod]

I wish the SoD posts were somewhere easier to find >.>

[Randolph]

I don't like the direction Foxxi is taking us in.

Peter's posts are neutral in every game, and you will never tell from the 4 posts he does either way. The fact that he hasn't been replaced tells me he's been doing some kind of night action.

If we're taking a stab in the dark, it should be someone who's not participating.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Yeah, reading the bits about punk badger I can't really see that action as anything but a roleblock/jail. But that makes me question why a town player would roleblock/jail morri on two different nights, when it looks like the action N2 exempted him from all possible scum roles already? I unno. It was late like an hour and a half ago when I was getting tired. I'll comb the write ups fully tomorrow

[Graeham]

Insaner, Tildey, Listo and LDG are highly unlikely to be scum.

[Graeham]

I know I can trust myself, of course, so that leaves:

Active players
1. Randolph
3. Rip/Foxxi
4. Jarrod1983
5. Jitters
8.Val
9. Morrison
10. Peter Griffin
12. FutureHold
14. Badger - The Original

That's nine possible players. I don't want to come across as too biased, but it's interesting that both Future and Foxxi have come out of nowhere to cast doubt on me.

[Listo95]

Insaner, Tildey, Listo and LDG are highly unlikely to be scum.

Val can be trusted.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

I know I can trust myself, of course, so that leaves:

Active players
1. Randolph
3. Rip/Foxxi
4. Jarrod1983
5. Jitters
8.Val
9. Morrison
10. Peter Griffin
12. FutureHold
14. Badger - The Original

That's nine possible players. I don't want to come across as too biased, but it's interesting that both Future and Foxxi have come out of nowhere to cast doubt on me.

Cast doubt on you? Literally all I have done is say I don't have a solid read on you from what I have read and prodded you with my vote asking you to give me something AI -- and your response isn't even to directly interact or reply to me, but to just say it's interesting a couple of people aren't fully ignoring you like it seems everyone else has this game.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Also Grae, everything I have said right now will be "coming out of nowhere" -- I only just got here. You could say the same thing about me calling LDG town, or any of my list. Came out of nowhere last night XD

Why is it that you find me poking you to be all that odd given the circumstances? Is there something you feel I should see that would give me reason not to?

[3puppies]

@Badger or @Tildey, since you both have been spreadsheeting, can you tell us the available roles for Graeham, Foxxi/Rip, and Future?

[Badger]

@Badger or @Tildey, since you both have been spreadsheeting, can you tell us the available roles for Graeham, Foxxi/Rip, and Future?

With Foxxi/Rip, like I was saying to Insaner this isn’t 100% foolproof and there are some assumptions based on Rip’s online Rajah activity and putting in a PM and when he got killed N1 by Vice when other town acted but he (or more accurately now Foxxi) could be one of the three Rajah townies we have seen in the intro but not the write-up as of yet. Business Badger Badger Noir or Hippie Badger town-wise.

Graeham as far as I can tell is more of an open book but is giving heavy hints judging by his trust lists as to who he is.

[Badger]

EBWOP Future an open book as well I think.

[Badger]

I don't like the direction Foxxi is taking us in.

Peter's posts are neutral in every game, and you will never tell from the 4 posts he does either way. The fact that he hasn't been replaced tells me he's been doing some kind of night action.

If we're taking a stab in the dark, it should be someone who's not participating.

Yeah you really can’t tell with PG because he posts so little. He’s been genuinely oblivious as town but there has been occasions where he’s acted a bit dumb as scum too IIRC.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Okay. I'm missing something somewhere. I'm trying to make my spreadsheet, but I have 14 living people and only 12 characters to place them to.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Oh. Duh. The intro. I only pulled names from the SoD posts. Ignore me.

[3puppies]

With Foxxi/Rip, like I was saying to Insaner this isn’t 100% foolproof and there are some assumptions based on Rip’s online Rajah activity and putting in a PM and when he got killed N1 by Vice when other town acted but he (or more accurately now Foxxi) could be one of the three Rajah townies we have seen in the intro but not the write-up as of yet. Business Badger Badger Noir or Hippie Badger town-wise.

Graeham as far as I can tell is more of an open book but is giving heavy hints judging by his trust lists as to who he is.

Thanks. I am trying to put together my own spreadsheet, and I am not thinking Morrison was very active, so without night action results I feel that I am playing from behind everyone else.

I suppose it's also possible that Mazer has more than one red herring here, and there might be other unrevealed characters to further mess with the character/player counts

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Well, I have a spreadsheet now, but unfortunately it doesn't really give me much more to go on. There are three characters I see listed in the intro posts that haven't had any actions at all shown so far, and that makes it hard to really pin down anyone. The roleblocks on morri/pups and randolph have made it impossible for them to be anyone but one of those three + wizard badger - including scum roles unless there's some kind of special scum role that can't actually be roleblocked, or the TC is a fake roleblock which I have seen as a role before. But as that's just a hypothetical possibility, I don't see randolph or morri/pups as people that should be considered unless it reaches a point where they are still alive and it looks like everyone is clear for various reasons.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Town:
Myself - duh
Listo - also duh
Val - more duh (really, if listo or Val need to be explained to anyone I'ma bonk them on the head for being a dunce)
Jitters - only one action seems to have targeted kdes and that action was town. It could be one of those sneaky roles that is scum but shows as town, but I doubt it. I don't see why scum would out the person helping them kill more town when it seems like they could avoid being targeted.

Very likely town:
Randolph - roleblocked out of all scum roles presumably
pups - roleblocked out of all scum roles presumably
LDG - meta read, the things she's said don't come from her as scum.

Insaner - CWE not helping him get the gun - and thereby keeping it from t!psycho - along with general vibes from posts
Badger - weakest town read, but I feel like his interactions have been townish. I am concerned about his bid for the gun D1 and his confidence that he would get a scum with it. CWE was scum, and we all know CWE gets outted as scum fairly easily. Could have been a planned bus - especially since whatever methods Badger felt he was going to employ to find scum to shoot don't seem to have materialized, and I feel like they should; gun or no gun. If he had some means to pinpoint someone he was confident in shooting, why has he not pinpointed someone he's confident in yeeting instead?
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PoE - in no particular order:
Tildey - mostly here just because I feel everyone else has better reason to be town read. Could flip with badger I suppose.
PG - again, I feel his actions D1 come from a town pov, but that's not strong enough evidence to get out of the poe when I see much stronger evidence of town from others


And these three I can't think of anything to say that gives me a reason they should not be in the poe
jarrod
graeham
future

[FoxxiMcLeod]

With Foxxi/Rip, like I was saying to Insaner this isn’t 100% foolproof and there are some assumptions based on Rip’s online Rajah activity and putting in a PM and when he got killed N1 by Vice when other town acted but he (or more accurately now Foxxi) could be one of the three Rajah townies we have seen in the intro but not the write-up as of yet. Business Badger Badger Noir or Hippie Badger town-wise.

Graeham as far as I can tell is more of an open book but is giving heavy hints judging by his trust lists as to who he is.

oh. OH. Hrm.
Unvote
Vote: Jarrod

[FoxxiMcLeod]

I'll give grae the benefit of the doubt for now. What are people's thoughts on jarrod or future?

[3puppies]

My list is similar to yours, Foxxi, but I have not ruled you out as potentially scum yet. I have 4 scum roles that could be you, and only two town.

Badger's suggestion that Graeham's trust list was a strong hint at his identity was something I didn't fully understand, but it makes me want to look at others before him.

If there are 4 scum remaining (Rando, He Who Must not be @ed, Tickling Cougar, and Ray Parlour), my guess would be Future, Jarrod, Grae and PG.

Future has not been attempting to solve, which I think he tries to do more of when he's town. So for now,

VOTE FUTURE

[FoxxiMcLeod]

My list is similar to yours, Foxxi, but I have not ruled you out as potentially scum yet. I have 4 scum roles that could be you, and only two town.

Badger's suggestion that Graeham's trust list was a strong hint at his identity was something I didn't fully understand, but it makes me want to look at others before him.

If there are 4 scum remaining (Rando, He Who Must not be @ed, Tickling Cougar, and Ray Parlour), my guess would be Future, Jarrod, Grae and PG.

Future has not been attempting to solve, which I think he tries to do more of when he's town. So for now,

VOTE FUTURE

I'm curious how you only have me as two potential town? XD not in a sus way, just a confused way. I made my sheet off the info in the write ups and there are 6 town roles that I can be that have acted, and three from the intro which have not. Even assuming you are town and therefore one of those 9, that leaves 8 potential roles.... so how did you get from 8 to 2 XD

[Badger]

Everyone Grae trusts has been targeted by the hider Lothario Grae don’t respond to this confirming if you really are.

Rip died N1 then brought back to life and then inactive on here for 9 days when a lot of town have been acting. I could very well be misinterpreting/missing something but I can’t see him submitting actions so that’s why you’re narrowed down.

Unsure of Jarrod for reasons already mentioned, PG could go either way but trust the people voting for him so far. Future hasn’t solved a lot and his reaction to MTR’s loss and waiting for modkills/sub-ins not so sure about.

[Jarrod1983]

oh. OH. Hrm.
Unvote
Vote: Jarrod

Way to come into the game and completely fuck up towns chances of winning if this goes through.

[Jarrod1983]

Mazer usually runs hiders being able to hide behind scum and live. If people are clearing people because of being hid behind then I'd be more wary of your choices.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Way to come into the game and completely fuck up towns chances of winning if this goes through.

How do you feel about future, tildey, and PG?

[3puppies]

Did Rip even check back in after he got resurrected? I am not thinking Mazer would have replaced him if he had not been inactive, unless Rip asked to bow out.

[3puppies]

Mazer usually runs hiders being able to hide behind scum and live. If people are clearing people because of being hid behind then I'd be more wary of your choices.

Mazer also usually makes it clear to the hider what happens if they hide behind scum - they might not die, but something else might happen like they lose the ability to hide, or they might lose a vote, etc. So I am thinking Lothario probably learned something each time he hid.

What time does voting end? Is there a current vote count?

[Badger]

He posted once before resurrection saying he was busy (which not doubting). After resurrection, he just said dying’s not a good thing, voted CWE then haven’t seen him since.

Mazer’s ruling:

Don't bring personal agendas from other threads in (although previous mafia grudges are encouraged)

You are expected to contribute a minimum of 2 or 3 approximately 48 hours of gameplay. Any warnings will be issued via pm. Substitutes may be utilized for insufficient participation.

PG’s up in the air as we don’t know he’s been warned yet or if an invite has gone out to someone else until it’s been announced.

[Badger]

BN is the only one who’s bowed out voluntarily replaced by Val which we know of.

As far as Tildey goes, she seems mostly okay spreadsheeting and trying to solve. The only thing that’s stood out was some early shade she gave MTR using language saying “we” as an accidental giveaway that he might be on a scum team but that could also easily be a miscommunication.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

The issue I have with Tildey is that she spreadsheets regardless of alignment iirc -- and the sense I've gotten from her is that has been her primary if not only contribution so far really. It has vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful, while not actually providing anything that helps since the sheet is so open for most people. She's in my poe because I have solid reasons to think Listo, Val, jitters, and grae(now) are absolutely town; really good odds morri and randolph are town; a meta read on LDG, and feel way better about insaner and your(badger) posts coming from a town solving angle.

And that only leaves her, jarrod, future, and PG from my PoV

which now that I type that I feel ehhh... because there should be four scum left, and that's a poe of exactly four people, and I don't know that I trust myself to have just solved the game. Which means there's probably someone I trust that I should not be. If any of those four are town, then there's probably scum in Insaner/Badger... fringe maybe LDG - but I still doubt that. Possibly randolph and the tickler is a fake roleblock.

[Mazer]

Votes:

Jarrod (2)-Insaner, Foxxi
PG (2)-Rando, Val
Rip (1)-Grae,
Insaner (1)-LDG
Future (1)-3p

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Votes:

Jarrod (2) - Insaner, foxxi
PG (2)-Rando, Val
Foxxi (1)-Grae,
Insaner (1)-LDG
Future (1)-3p

fixed it for you =p

[Mazer]

thx

[3puppies]

The issue I have with Tildey is that she spreadsheets regardless of alignment iirc -- and the sense I've gotten from her is that has been her primary if not only contribution so far really. It has vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful, while not actually providing anything that helps since the sheet is so open for most people. ...

This "vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful" resonates with me, but I still feel way better about Tildey's contributions than Future, PG, and even Jarrod.

But I just don't trust Mazer to make this a straightforward game. It wouldn't surprise me to find some hidden gimmick waiting for us all.

I want to go on record with an early suspicion I had about Badger in the Badgerverse, such that if all the red are eliminated, if he survives he will be given an option to become a different color, with a chance to win his inspired game all on his own.

[Badger]

Vote PG

Ultimately would prefer to solve him now rather than wait for an announcement regarding his participation and he is dead weight by this point through lack of contribution. Also trust his train the most.

If he comes in here and gives some thoughts I may change but as of now sticking to the original plan of pressurising inactivity.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

This "vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful" resonates with me, but I still feel way better about Tildey's contributions than Future, PG, and even Jarrod.

But I just don't trust Mazer to make this a straightforward game. It wouldn't surprise me to find some hidden gimmick waiting for us all.

I want to go on record with an early suspicion I had about Badger in the Badgerverse, such that if all the red are eliminated, if he survives he will be given an option to become a different color, with a chance to win his inspired game all on his own.

I agree that I like Tildey better than jarrod, future or PG -- problem is I *don't* like her more than anyone else and unless there's some shenanigans where one player is actually acting as two scum, we have four left. That said... it does feel too easy, and I *really* don't like that. I don't think I've played a single game where I got to the point where it seemed like the solution was simple and it actually was.

[Jitters]

Vote PG

[Badger]

This "vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful" resonates with me, but I still feel way better about Tildey's contributions than Future, PG, and even Jarrod.

But I just don't trust Mazer to make this a straightforward game. It wouldn't surprise me to find some hidden gimmick waiting for us all.

I want to go on record with an early suspicion I had about Badger in the Badgerverse, such that if all the red are eliminated, if he survives he will be given an option to become a different color, with a chance to win his inspired game all on his own.

If he’s put something like that in, first I’ve heard of it but if I get to choose colours then can I have this one please?

But yeah I assure you there’s nothing like that although I can see why you might think it given we’ve had games like the CWE makes it to Endgame.

[FutureHold]

I know I can trust myself, of course, so that leaves:

Active players
1. Randolph
3. Rip/Foxxi
4. Jarrod1983
5. Jitters
8.Val
9. Morrison
10. Peter Griffin
12. FutureHold
14. Badger - The Original

That's nine possible players. I don't want to come across as too biased, but it's interesting that both Future and Foxxi have come out of nowhere to cast doubt on me.

I didn’t even say anything about you? In fact I’ve just been letting Foxxi do her thing.

[FutureHold]

If Graeham’s trust list has something to do with his role, then I would trust him, and maybe it does, considering the trust list feels random at some points

[FutureHold]

I think Jarrod is acting towny, and some of Insaner’s posts sound scummy but I don’t know if that is how he normally acts? Could someone who has played with him more tell me if this is how he is?

[Mazer]

Jarrod (2)-Insaner, Foxxi
PG (4)-Rando, Val, Badger, jitters
Insaner (2)-LDG, Grae
Future (1)-3p

[Jarrod1983]

The issue I have with Tildey is that she spreadsheets regardless of alignment iirc -- and the sense I've gotten from her is that has been her primary if not only contribution so far really. It has vague feelings of going through the motions to seem helpful, while not actually providing anything that helps since the sheet is so open for most people. She's in my poe because I have solid reasons to think Listo, Val, jitters, and grae(now) are absolutely town; really good odds morri and randolph are town; a meta read on LDG, and feel way better about insaner and your(badger) posts coming from a town solving angle.

And that only leaves her, jarrod, future, and PG from my PoV

which now that I type that I feel ehhh... because there should be four scum left, and that's a poe of exactly four people, and I don't know that I trust myself to have just solved the game. Which means there's probably someone I trust that I should not be. If any of those four are town, then there's probably scum in Insaner/Badger... fringe maybe LDG - but I still doubt that. Possibly randolph and the tickler is a fake roleblock.

Well you definitely didn't solve the game because I'm town so you lose this round pal.

[Randolph]

Even with Vice gone, please put a vote in to keep yourself in the game.

2. @Tildey
4. @Jarrod1983
6. @Listo95
10. @Peter Griffin
12. @FutureHold

It takes thirty seconds to vote. Please do so.

[Jarrod1983]

How do you feel about future, tildey, and PG?

Future- Has popped in but hasn't really done anything at all of note. Not that I have but I know I'm town so will say Future could be just trying to be seen but not helpful. Unlike me who'd rather have stayed in the back some more and had been helpful when the time called.

Tildey- First game and even games she watched she really seemed to dig into things but I'm just not seeing the curiouser she has previously shown. Might just be trying to eeke by.

Peter- I really think he's town. He does this every game. Asks when the next game is. Signs up. Disappears. Wash, rinse and repeat. I'm leaning town but could be entering actions and is why he hasn't been subbed or modkilled. Probably best to lynch this phase so we don't waste another on him.

[Jarrod1983]

Vote Graeham

Is there a reason not to? I sorta have the gut tingle looking at the vote list.

[FutureHold]

Vote: PG

I have a list of suspicion but I’m not sure on it, I rather vote out the lurker.

[Listo95]

Vote: PG

[Mazer]

Jarrod (2)-Insaner, Foxxi
PG (6)-Rando, Val, Badger, jitters, future, listo
Insaner (2)-LDG, Grae
Future (1)-3p
grae (1)-jarrod

[Jitters]

The thing is if PG is acting I want to hear from him I know when he's scum he's usually quieter but then again I've not played in awhile with him? I think scum but if he flips town and he's been inactive he's really just not helped us at all.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Vote Graeham

Is there a reason not to? I sorta have the gut tingle looking at the vote list.

Yes. This vote reeks.

[Jarrod1983]

It's very possible Mazer would have killed Peter if he wasn't a likely target for elimination during this phase. If Peter's scum then great job for fooling me but I really feel like he's town and it's just a case of same shit on a different day with his inactivity.

That being said if Peter does turn up green I'd bet a scum or two is on that vote block just to help it go through.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Jarrod (2)-Insaner, Foxxi
PG (4)-Rando, Val, Badger, jitters
Insaner (2)-LDG, Grae
Future (1)-3p

Wait. When did Grae swap to Insaner? I thought he was voting for me according to the last count?

[Jarrod1983]

Yes. This vote reeks.

I smell wonderful. What's the reasoning then?

Aren't you only like 2 town roles available or have you since come in and debunked that?

[FoxxiMcLeod]

It's very possible Mazer would have killed Peter if he wasn't a likely target for elimination during this phase. If Peter's scum then great job for fooling me but I really feel like he's town and it's just a case of same shit on a different day with his inactivity.

That being said if Peter does turn up green I'd bet a scum or two is on that vote block just to help it go through.

Except Val and Jitters are not scum, Randolph very probably is not except in some tinfoil conspiracy theories, and don't think badger is either.

[Jarrod1983]

Wait. When did Grae swap to Insaner? I thought he was voting for me according to the last count?

Not sure but it seemed like he could have been scum, latching on to a already established vote block to avoid Peter's lynch if Peter is going to pop green.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

I smell wonderful. What's the reasoning then?

Aren't you only like 2 town roles available or have you since come in and debunked that?

Depends on what metric you are using to eliminate roles. Non-meta 8. If you go by meta info 4.

[Jarrod1983]

Except Val and Jitters are not scum, Randolph very probably is not except in some tinfoil conspiracy theories, and don't think badger is either.

Maybe. What does Badger have going for him being cleared of scum?

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Maybe. What does Badger have going for him being cleared of scum?

Cleared? Not much - like many of us. But his posting has felt town to me, and I think psych had it right when he mentioned that the way CWE and Badger interacted didn't feel teamed.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

As for the reasoning for grae - good job showing you aren't actually reading or trying to solve. It was discussed like... right before you popped in to object to my vote on you.

[Jarrod1983]

Cleared? Not much - like many of us. But his posting has felt town to me, and I think psych had it right when he mentioned that the way CWE and Badger interacted didn't feel teamed.

They're both vets though. Badger can be pretty wily. Especially planning in scum chat.

[Jarrod1983]

As for the reasoning for grae - good job showing you aren't actually reading or trying to solve. It was discussed like... right before you popped in to object to my vote on you.

Oh yeah I definitely skimmed it driving home and apparently not well. Thanks for making me read I guess instead of just providing the cliff notes.

[Badger]

Jarrod’s like paranoid of me almost every game. It’s like a meme at this point. Even when we’re both town he’s been wrong. If he carries on this vein, he’s going to be wrong.

CWE was clearly taunting me with the “I don’t mind you getting the gun. Scum aren’t going to kill you in your game.”

[Jarrod1983]

Jarrod’s like paranoid of me almost every game. It’s like a meme at this point. Even when we’re both town he’s been wrong. If he carries on this vein, he’s going to be wrong.

CWE was clearly taunting me with the “I don’t mind you getting the gun. Scum aren’t going to kill you in your game.”

It might be a meme but what better way to discredit me than saying it's meme worthy? Just brush it off right? Are you itching in scum chat Badger?

[Badger]

It might be a meme but what better way to discredit me than saying it's meme worthy? Just brush it off right? Are you itching in scum chat Badger?

Yeah you got your catchphrase in again. Good for you dude.

[Jarrod1983]

Yeah you got your catchphrase in again. Good for you dude.

Ha everyone should have a good catchphrase. I should get shirts made next.

Bottom line, you're a vet and can manipulate people as scum with the best. So yeah I'll work my spots in Badger.

[Badger]

Ha everyone should have a good catchphrase. I should get shirts made next.

Bottom line, you're a vet and can manipulate people as scum with the best. So yeah I'll work my spots in Badger.

You’re a vet too.

And yeah you do that.

[Jarrod1983]

You’re a vet too.

And yeah you do that.

Yeah but I'm town. I don't know what you are.

The fact you're keeping your answers to quick couple word sentences makes me think you really could be scum Badger trying really hard not to engage this conversation and put your foot in your mouth.

We'll see how it goes I guess.

[Badger]

Yeah but I'm town. I don't know what you are.

The fact you're keeping your answers to quick couple word sentences makes me think you really could be scum Badger trying really hard not to engage this conversation and put your foot in your mouth.

We'll see how it goes I guess.

Because you’ve not really said anything much engaging other than say you’re town over and over and say “Oh watch him he’s a vet!” with little evidence or theory. Just witch…or itch-hunting ho ho!

If PG flips town, I can already see the playbook coming.

[Jarrod1983]

Because you’ve not really said anything much engaging other than say you’re town over and over and say “Oh watch him he’s a vet!” with little evidence or theory. Just witch…or itch-hunting ho ho!

If PG flips town, I can already see the playbook coming.

Let's add posting nonsense videos to that list of yours...



Pretty awesome live feed of you in scum chat.

Yeah I don't have any information currently and people are looking my way for just as weak reasons as I can say for you. Perhaps the fact that you are scum and you've made it this far without anyone looking your way frustrates you?

I found this for you, it might help!

[Badger]

Ok Randolph-lite. It’s not just me that looks at you. You very well may be town but there is doubt.

- That bus drive you happened to be on the end of. Now that could be bus-driving two town but itÂ’s at least worth thinking out of all the town candidates they picked you.
- The timing and content of your earlier votes is at least pause for thought. Insaner had the suspicion too.
- Your protesting.
- Your hider theory that hiding behind scum don’t die…might actually be worth considering but Grae seems confident. 3pups also brought up a good counter about how Mazer will likely advise him of something if he hides behind scum.
- Your vote on Grae does reek a bit of looking good and being an outlier if PG flips town.
- This itching gimmick does reek of scummy needling and not town-friendly behaviour.

Now that could all be wrong but at least it’s theory but you’re not doing yourself any favours working in your spots if you’re going to. Perhaps I may change my tune but the longer you keep this gimmick up, the less I take you as town seriously. Feel free though if you must.

[FoxxiMcLeod]

Honestly jarrod, the way you have handled being in the poe only makes me trust you less, and this sudden obsession with focusing on badger for maybe being sneaky and a vet that could be fooling us instead of any of the other people who are also narrowed into the poe - despite not having given any reason you disagree with those people being in the poe (other than saying you think PG might be town, but he should be eliminated anyway since being awol and not being replaced could mean he's putting in actions - which I will note doesn't make him scum, could still be town putting in actions, but that's a whole other topic) feels awkward. If you think PG should be eliminated, why was your very next post a vote for grae?

speaking of PG - @Peter Griffin -- you are being run up. If you are town, please come weigh in with what you think, and how you feel about people.

[Jarrod1983]

There's nothing lite about me pal.

Already said that bus drive was done to make one of us look bad. If it's a true bus drive then I was targeted for the kill MTR recieved.

Insaner had the suspicion and you as a perspective scum picked it up and ran with it.

I'll protest until my fingers fall off and I can't type anymore if people are doing things they shouldn't in regards to my life in this or any game.

My hider theory is great because that's generally what Mazer has done. Has Mazer advised or penalized players in the past for hiding behind scum? Not entirely confident but without looking I say no he hasn't. I can't recall anytime that's been the case.

I've said a bunch of times I think it's just Peter flaking out. I really don't think he's scum and as a town member I won't vote someone who I think might be town. If Mazer wants to weed out inactives he will do so. I think it's sorta foolish to vote out someone that has a good chance of being town just because they've done what they always do. Let Mazer police that. We should have put votes on someone who's actually here to defend themselves/someone who might make scum come out of hiding to defend. That's why I think there could be at least one scum in that vote block. Want to make sure the narrative aims that way to Peter and want to make sure he gets eliminated.

Nah I disagree. After Letterkenny you earned the right to be looked at by me at whatever time I choose to. You could have just ignored the first time I wondered about you but you didn't. You needled me saying it's meme worthy. No it's warranted and could be very town-friendly behavior if you turn out to be scum. I'll give Undertaker a run for his money with how long I drag this gimmick out. Sorry pal.

You don't need to take me seriously. Vote me. Fucking do it. It'll be a heavy nail in the town coffin you'll be left to explain.

[Jarrod1983]

Honestly jarrod, the way you have handled being in the poe only makes me trust you less, and this sudden obsession with focusing on badger for maybe being sneaky and a vet that could be fooling us instead of any of the other people who are also narrowed into the poe - despite not having given any reason you disagree with those people being in the poe (other than saying you think PG might be town, but he should be eliminated anyway since being awol and not being replaced could mean he's putting in actions - which I will note doesn't make him scum, could still be town putting in actions, but that's a whole other topic) feels awkward. If you think PG should be eliminated, why was your very next post a vote for grae?

speaking of PG - @Peter Griffin -- you are being run up. If you are town, please come weigh in with what you think, and how you feel about people.

I said Peter should go because he'd just be this again the next phase.

I won't vote there because I think he's town.

Fucking vote me if you want. You Badger and Insaner can all explain it away after I'm dead.

[Jarrod1983]

Honestly jarrod, the way you have handled being in the poe only makes me trust you less, and this sudden obsession with focusing on badger for maybe being sneaky and a vet that could be fooling us instead of any of the other people who are also narrowed into the poe - despite not having given any reason you disagree with those people being in the poe (other than saying you think PG might be town, but he should be eliminated anyway since being awol and not being replaced could mean he's putting in actions - which I will note doesn't make him scum, could still be town putting in actions, but that's a whole other topic) feels awkward. If you think PG should be eliminated, why was your very next post a vote for grae?

speaking of PG - @Peter Griffin -- you are being run up. If you are town, please come weigh in with what you think, and how you feel about people.

Also I can focus wherever I'd like. Why do I need to bend to a narrative I believe is wrong? I might as well throw shit at the wall before time runs out to see what happens.