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    2023 NFL Thread



    Key Dates:

    • February 28 - March 6: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.
    • March 7: Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
    • March 13-15: Legal Tampering Period.
    • March 15: The 2023 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., ET.
    • April 27-29: NFL Draft, Kansas City, Missouri.
    • September 7: NFL Kickoff Game, Kansas City, Missouri.
    • February 11, 2024: Super Bowl LVIII, Las Vegas, NV.


    QB Carousel: Name which team each of these players will be suiting up for:

    • Aaron Rodgers
    • Lamar Jackson
    • Jimmy Garoppolo
    • Baker Mayfield

    (Include others as well, but I think Geno Smith and Daniel Jones will stay put).

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    Carr should be on the carousel

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    True, I forgot him. Here's my bold carousel predictions:

    Rodgers - Jets
    Lamar - Falcons
    Jimmy G - Panthers
    Baker - Colts
    Carr - Commanders
    (Geno Smith and Daniel Jones stick with their current teams)

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    As the Patriots were the last to have back-to-back SuperBowl victories, is it fair to ask if Mahomes and KC can repeat? - Perhaps more likely than anyone in a long time, but they still have to get by a really strong AFC.

    Other recycled question from last year's thread -

    Will Joe Burrow get some help? Not enough.

    Will Aaron Rodgers play for anyone other than the Packers? I doubt it. GB will ask for too much in a trade, so they will keep him.

    How will the Jets manage to be the Jets, and mess up their draft? Maybe they just stick with Zach Wilson.


    QB carousel

    Rodgers - Packers
    Lamar - Ravens
    Jimmy G - Panthers
    Baker - Jets
    Carr - Colts

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    23 Predictions on Offense for 2023:

    - Green Bay trades a QB
    - DeAndre Hopkins is traded to New England
    - Keenan Allen becomes a Chicago Bear
    - The Giants keep both Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones
    - Josh Jacobs is franchise tagged and a potential holdout emerges
    - Miami has a new starting RB
    - Ezekiel Elliot restructures his deal (better late than never) and Tony Pollard remains in Dallas
    - Dalvin Cook is cut but Kirk Cousins and the offense adds a new weapon via the draft
    - A current New Orleans QB becomes the bridge QB in Indianapolis
    - Damien Harris signs with Jacksonville
    - Trey Lance is traded to Tennessee
    - Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting QB for Las Vegas
    - Chris Godwin or Brandin Cooks is traded to the New York Giants
    - Houston double dip on Ohio State talent and draft CJ Stroud and Jaxon Smith-Njigba
    - Derek Carr eventually winds up with New Orleans
    - Trade talks between Cincinnati and Tee Higgins emerge, but more Joe Mixon is a more immediate departure
    - Bijan Robinson is drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft
    - Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow take a team-friendly extension
    - Lamar Jackson stays a Baltimore Raven for now.
    - There is a palpable tease of Tom Brady coming out of a retirement
    - San Francisco test the limits of Mike Shanahan’s ability to run the offense with a non-elite QB while Brock Purdy rehabs from injury
    - Jakobi Meyers will be this offseason’s Christian Kirk
    - Jerry Jeudy is traded to an NFC team to recoup draft compensation

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    eagles lose both of their coordinators on the same day, with steichen going to indy and gannon going to arizona. I'm less worried about gannon leaving than steichen. our defense was good, but i think that had more to do with the players and the depth we managed to install. the defensive performance in the second half of the super bowl did not buy gannon a lot of good will around here.

    given the efficiency of our offense this season, losing the OC is more concerning. gotta hope there remains some consistency there.

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    Carr was officially released.

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    Rodgers - Packers
    Lamar - Ravens
    Jimmy G - Jets
    Carr - Colts
    Baker - Signs with Rams as backup

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    At this point (pre-free agency, pre-drafts, pre-trades), there are 5 teams I think are really good and are highly likely to make the playoffs again next year if they stay reasonably healthy:

    chiefs
    bills
    bengals
    eagles
    49ers

    the other 9 playoff teams will be hard to predict

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    I think the Giants make it but not the Cowboys.

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    AFC East and NFC West for the NFC East teams this season. Should be a much harder for that reason if no other.

    They got the AFC South and NFC North last year. Only 1 "good" team out of 8 and that was the team everyone called a fraud the whole season.

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    Rodgers - Packers
    Lamar - Ravens
    Jimmy G - Jets
    Baker - Rams
    Carr - Bucs

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    Strong indications that Peyton is about to bring in Sexy Rexy Ryan to be his new DC. Rex obviously became a bit of a punchline what with his bigger than life personality and his publicized foot fetish but the dude is a defensive genius. And Peyton knows he can trust the Ryan school of defense to work for him after so many years with Rex's brother as his DC in New Orleans.

    I love the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Strong indications that Peyton is about to bring in Sexy Rexy Ryan to be his new DC. Rex obviously became a bit of a punchline what with his bigger than life personality and his publicized foot fetish but the dude is a defensive genius. And Peyton knows he can trust the Ryan school of defense to work for him after so many years with Rex's brother as his DC in New Orleans.

    I love the move.
    am i missing something? saints defense in 2014 was near the bottom of the league and rob was fired before the season ended in 2015 cause they were dead last. 2013 was the only decent year they had with him as DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    am i missing something? saints defense in 2014 was near the bottom of the league and rob was fired before the season ended in 2015 cause they were dead last. 2013 was the only decent year they had with him as DC.
    Now YOU have me wondering if I’m missing something. The Broncos are looking at Rex, not Rob. I know they’re brothers but I don’t know what Rob’s tenure in New Orleans would have to do with Rex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Now YOU have me wondering if I’m missing something. The Broncos are looking at Rex, not Rob. I know they’re brothers but I don’t know what Rob’s tenure in New Orleans would have to do with Rex.
    did you read the post i quoted? I'm directly addressing rancid saying sean payton can 'trust the ryan school of defense' after spending 'so many years' with rob as his DC in new orleans. i find that whole part baffling. rob was with payton for basically two and a half seasons, with most of that time having a bottom barrell defense. rex is a much better coach and a decent hire, but just found it very odd throwing rob ryan's name out there as a good voucher.
    Last edited by Morrison; February 19th, 2023 at 7:11 PM.

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    Okay better late than never. Last year I asked these questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Preseason Prediction Contest.

    Instead of doing something like picking every division winner and award winner, I am going to do 10 simple questions. 1 point for each question. Whoever gets the most out of 10 wins.

    Name the winner of the AFC West.
    Name a team who will lead their conference in wins.
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in MVP voting.
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in receiving yards.
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in rushing yards.
    Name a rookie who will make the Pro Bowl.
    Name a defensive player besides Aaron Donald, TJ Watt and Myles Garrett who will earn First Team All Pro.
    Name a team who will finish top 2 in total points scored.
    Name a team who will finish top 2 in fewest points allowed.
    Name the player amongst these 4 who will finish with the most passing yards: Tua Tagovailoa, Baker Mayfield, Ryan Tannehill & Jared Goff.
    7 people responded. @_me finished last by getting 0 out of 10 correct. 4 people got 3 out of 10. I got 4 out of 10. But the winner, with 5 out of 10, was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Name the winner of the AFC West. - Chiefs
    Name a team who will lead their conference in wins. - Bills
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in MVP voting. - Aaron Rodgers
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in receiving yards. - Jefferson
    Name a player who will finish in the top 2 in rushing yards. - j taylor
    Name a rookie who will make the Pro Bowl - a hutchinson
    Name a defensive player besides Aaron Donald, TJ Watt and Myles Garrett who will earn First Team All Pro - n bosa
    Name a team who will finish top 2 in total points scored- Buffalo
    Name a team who will finish top 2 in fewest points allowed. - 49ers
    Name the player amongst these 4 who will finish with the most passing yards Tua Tagovailoa, Baker Mayfield, Ryan Tannehill & Jared Goff.: goff
    Randolph correctly guessed the Chiefs, Jefferson, Nick Bosa, 49ers and Goff. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Okay better late than never. Last year I asked these questions:



    7 people responded. @_me finished last by getting 0 out of 10 correct. 4 people got 3 out of 10. I got 4 out of 10. But the winner, with 5 out of 10, was:



    Randolph correctly guessed the Chiefs, Jefferson, Nick Bosa, 49ers and Goff. Well done.

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    Would y'all draft a 5'10 190-ish pound QB with one of the top couple of picks in the draft?

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    100%. Worked out well enough with kyler murray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    100%. Worked out well enough with kyler murray
    Has it though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    100%. Worked out well enough with kyler murray
    Murray and Young aren't built the same bro..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    100%. Worked out well enough with kyler murray
    There's a notable difference in terms of weight and thickness between the two, with one side favoring Murray and a lot remaining to be seen with Young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Has it though?
    Yes. But an interesting hypothetical would be: would you trade kyler murray for Nick bosa right now? My thought is, murray would get more back in return in a trade than just bosa. QBs are just worth so much. But I could be wrong. Bosa obviously was a great pick too

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    There's a notable difference in terms of weight and thickness between the two, with one side favoring Murray and a lot remaining to be seen with Young.
    I don’t have any comment nor prediction on Young. In general though (since the question was posed generally), in this day and age of NFL football, I wouldn’t rule out drafting a QB of that stature with a top pick if he’s the one. True that Murray was heavier but pounds can be added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Would y'all draft a 5'10 190-ish pound QB with one of the top couple of picks in the draft?
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I don’t have any comment nor prediction on Young. In general though (since the question was posed generally), in this day and age of NFL football, I wouldn’t rule out drafting a QB of that stature with a top pick if he’s the one. True that Murray was heavier but pounds can be added.
    I don't think the caveat of 'pounds can be added' helps much. His frame is what it is and unnatural weight just for the sake of becomes a hinderance at some point, if not just out of reach or unsustainable to begin with.

    That said I appreciate your response. If you feel he's 'the one' and the size/weight/frame thing doesn't deter you then that's cool. That's one side of the view point I was interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Would y'all draft a 5'10 190-ish pound QB with one of the top couple of picks in the draft?
    Texans should take Will Anderson Jr. I've said it all year. Not even trying to knock any of this years QBs...we just don't have the talent on offense. We need more o-line men, need a RB who is NFL able, need a receiver (or 3) and need a TE.

    If the Texans hired an offensive coach, then sure, give him his qb of choice (if he had one). But a defensive coach? Build up that unit.

    Please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Texans should take Will Anderson Jr. I've said it all year. Not even trying to knock any of this years QBs...we just don't have the talent on offense. We need more o-line men, need a RB who is NFL able, need a receiver (or 3) and need a TE.

    If the Texans hired an offensive coach, then sure, give him his qb of choice (if he had one). But a defensive coach? Build up that unit.

    Please?
    I'm hoping the Bears find a way to trade down and still wind up with Anderson. It's a lot to ask. But I think I'm going to the draft this year. i deserve a moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I don’t have any comment nor prediction on Young. In general though (since the question was posed generally), in this day and age of NFL football, I wouldn’t rule out drafting a QB of that stature with a top pick if he’s the one. True that Murray was heavier but pounds can be added.
    The thing is, it (the weight) is going to get lost during the season.

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    Rodgers, Packers, and Jets have begun discussions about a potential trade.

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    Giants agree to terms with Daniel Jones, and tag Saquon.

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    Bears Trade No. 1 Pick in 2023 NFL Draft to Panthers, per Reports - Sports Illustrated

    Bears are trading the #1 pick to the Panthers for a whole bunch of stuff.

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    I like this deal a lot for the Bears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Giants agree to terms with Daniel Jones, and tag Saquon.
    $40M x 4 for Jones, $94M guaranteed. What the fuck. That deal will be cause for panic around week 6 of the 2023 season.

    And the Seahawks go 3 x $35M for Geno fucking Smith.

    Absolutely crazy to think that Lamar Jackson can’t get a new deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Bears Trade No. 1 Pick in 2023 NFL Draft to Panthers, per Reports - Sports Illustrated

    Bears are trading the #1 pick to the Panthers for a whole bunch of stuff.
    If there were a generational talent at the top of the draft, I’d understand the Panthers overpaying to move up. But there isn’t, so I can’t.

    The NFL is insane…what logic?

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    This clearly blows up in the face of Carolina if whoever they pick at 1 isn't 'the guy'. It's a hefty price to pay but I think it's worth paying if that QB ends up being the answer and he leads you for the next decade or so. I see DJ Moore being traded as a notable consequence in regard to having a better than C-level wideout as your 1 but they're likely burning this year in a sense with the rookie QB, so you take your L at wideout, keep the kid upright and use the crap load of cap space you have in '24 to fortify on the outside.

    This isn't a "prove it" scenario for Fields now, but the Bears have done well in terms of surrounding him with better talent to throw to. I'm not the biggest Claypool and Mooney believer but they've appropriately slotted guys for roles they should be in. Mooney never should've been a 1, Claypool is way too inconsistent to be relied upon, so Moore steps in as a valid 1 and the other two fall where they should. In terms of a trio, that probably falls into line around the middle of the pack in the league. That's a hell of an upgrade from where they were. The Bears just now need to build that OL up, decide if they want to trust Herbert and Ebner can carry things or find a suitable 2 to go next to Herbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    $40M x 4 for Jones, $94M guaranteed. What the fuck. That deal will be cause for panic around week 6 of the 2023 season.

    And the Seahawks go 3 x $35M for Geno fucking Smith.

    Absolutely crazy to think that Lamar Jackson can’t get a new deal.
    Lamar's also not settling for what Jones or Geno agreed to..

    which makes it a lot less absolutely crazy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I like this deal a lot for the Bears.
    Agreed. DJ Moore is 25 and has produced without a great situation.

    Good haul on picks. Well-played

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    Gotta think Carolina is targeting Stroud here.

    He just fits the Reich mold more than the rest of the candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    If there were a generational talent at the top of the draft, I’d understand the Panthers overpaying to move up. But there isn’t, so I can’t.

    The NFL is insane…what logic?
    I'm the furthest thing from a draft analyst but in general I don't think a franchise can sit around waiting for a generational talent before making a move. The Andrew Lucks, Trevor Lawrences and Peyton Mannings of the world only come around so often. And if there was a generational talent, the price would have been even higher.

    I can't tell you diddly squat about the top QB prospects but I don't think the move was insane. Just by looking at a few draft boards it seems like a couple QBs are ranked near the top of the 1st round so it's not like a year with no elite QBs.

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    Check back in 3 or 4 years. Arch Manning is going #1 and will be the highest touted recruit ever. Until the next one. That's you next "generational" one.

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    I think it's a good trade for both, but time will tell. The Panthers know they need to draft QB, and given the Texans, Colts and potentially Raiders will be taking one too, why possibly end up with your third or fourth choice if you really fancy somebody in particular to lead your franchise for a decade plus. It's a gamble, but if they think (presumably) Stroud is top tier it is one they have to take. Their defence is good, obviously they'll have to hit in free agency and days 2 and 3 of the next drafts, but would you rather that outlook or taking a QB they don't really like?

    For the Bears, I'd be excited. Gain a great weapon for Fields so they don't have to reach at WR in the draft, and focus on building a solid unit. They reached with the Claypool trade so needed draft capital this year, and they could feasibly be drafting high next year knowing QB's year 1 struggles. Loads of cap space for free agency too.

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    Ya, I'm not on board with the notion that Chicago fleeced Carolina here. Clearly the Panthers have to get the QB selection right, but it looks like they identified their guy out of at least a couple strong candidates and if that guy turns out to mesh the right way with Reich and McCown and the front office does what they need to do correctly then this can be a massive win for the Panthers. In fact there's all the reason in the world to wonder if we're not looking back a couple of years from now at a Chicago team that is unfortunately parting ways with a never-was Justin Fields while watching a Bryce Young or CJ Stroud blossom into perennial pro bowler. Or both franchises could come out smelling like roses before long. This move is a first domino, albeit a big one, but the remaining will matter as well.

    You can only play the Teddy Bridgewater/Sam Darnold/Baker Mayfield/PJ Walker merry-go-round for so long and they decided they liked this opportunity enough to shoot their shot. And this isn't like the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell days of being hamstrung if you make a bad pick at QB early. Teams can move on and try again relatively quickly nowdays with the rookie contract draft slots and non-exorbitant guaranteed money.

    I just hope they select Stroud, Levis, or Richardson - I've got eyes for Bryce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post

    You can only play the Teddy Bridgewater/Sam Darnold/Baker Mayfield/PJ Walker merry-go-round for so long and they decided they liked this opportunity enough to shoot their shot. And this isn't like the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell days of being hamstrung if you make a bad pick at QB early. Teams can move on and try again relatively quickly nowdays with the rookie contract draft slots and non-exorbitant guaranteed money.
    Mayfield and Darnold were both top 2 picks themselves, albeit not from CAR. But the risk is if CAR gets the pick wrong, then they essentially replace a Mayfield or Darnold with ANOTHER Mayfield or Darnold, except this other Mayfield or Darnold will have costed the team a top 2 or 3 WR in the history of the team, two first round picks, and two second round picks.

    Unless one of these top guys is a perennial MVP candidate - and that's also the one they pick - then the people responsible for pulling the trigger on the trade (GM and his staff, and probably HC too) are all fired before that rookie contract is even up.

    I think it's too early to say whether they've been fleeced. But I don't have a lot of faith it works out well for the Panthers.

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    Correcting myself- Darnold was top 3, not top 2 (I misremembered and thought he was selected immediately after Mayfield)

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    On the Rodgers front:

    He said he didn't want to make the Packers wait into free agency, which kicks off Monday.

    My prediction:
    Trade to the Jets gets announced tomorrow. I think GB gets a later-than-expected pick in return (2nd or 3rd instead of a 1st) and then also gets Elijah Moore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    Mayfield and Darnold were both top 2 picks themselves, albeit not from CAR. But the risk is if CAR gets the pick wrong, then they essentially replace a Mayfield or Darnold with ANOTHER Mayfield or Darnold, except this other Mayfield or Darnold will have costed the team a top 2 or 3 WR in the history of the team, two first round picks, and two second round picks.

    Unless one of these top guys is a perennial MVP candidate - and that's also the one they pick - then the people responsible for pulling the trigger on the trade (GM and his staff, and probably HC too) are all fired before that rookie contract is even up.

    I think it's too early to say whether they've been fleeced. But I don't have a lot of faith it works out well for the Panthers.
    Ultimately any front office has to trust their evaluation process, and clearly Carolina does here.

    And I happen to agree in at least so far as I believe at least 1 and maybe 2 of these guys can be impact QBs moving forward. They believe their target is definitely that. And if they truly believe in that why shouldn't they move on it?

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    Yeah I agree with you on the mindset. I just don't have faith in CAR's front office, and then to a lesser extent in the top QBs in this class being top tier at the next level haha. But I thought KC reached for Mahomes when they drafted him, so there's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Check back in 3 or 4 years. Arch Manning is going #1 and will be the highest touted recruit ever. Until the next one. That's you next "generational" one.
    He is also going to spend the next 3 years coached by Sark. Well at least the next 2 until they fire him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Ya, I'm not on board with the notion that Chicago fleeced Carolina here. Clearly the Panthers have to get the QB selection right, but it looks like they identified their guy out of at least a couple strong candidates and if that guy turns out to mesh the right way with Reich and McCown and the front office does what they need to do correctly then this can be a massive win for the Panthers. In fact there's all the reason in the world to wonder if we're not looking back a couple of years from now at a Chicago team that is unfortunately parting ways with a never-was Justin Fields while watching a Bryce Young or CJ Stroud blossom into perennial pro bowler. Or both franchises could come out smelling like roses before long. This move is a first domino, albeit a big one, but the remaining will matter as well.

    You can only play the Teddy Bridgewater/Sam Darnold/Baker Mayfield/PJ Walker merry-go-round for so long and they decided they liked this opportunity enough to shoot their shot. And this isn't like the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell days of being hamstrung if you make a bad pick at QB early. Teams can move on and try again relatively quickly nowdays with the rookie contract draft slots and non-exorbitant guaranteed money.

    I just hope they select Stroud, Levis, or Richardson - I've got eyes for Bryce.
    I agree that Carolina wasn't fleeced. Nobody gets the number 1 pick without paying a price. Everything out if the Chicago camp indicated that there were multiple teams interested, and they were as at least tall of 3 number 1s in some offers.

    Me being so high on the deal for Chicago is less about what Carolina needed to do vs. Being more of a fan of timing and outcome for Chicago.


    If Carolina finds their guy, nobody questions this trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    He is also going to spend the next 3 years coached by Sark. Well at least the next 2 until they fire him
    Doesn't matter. It's a Manning. Playing QB.

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    It is Sark. He has tanked the careers of prospects better than Arch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    It is Sark. He has tanked the careers of prospects better than Arch.
    Not many prospects have been rated higher than Arch, so I don't think your statement is true.

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    Another good day for Chicago.

    This feels weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hithit View Post
    Not many prospects have been rated higher than Arch, so I don't think your statement is true.
    Ya I'm kinda curious who all these ruined wunderkinds are that I've never heard of..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Ya I'm kinda curious who all these ruined wunderkinds are that I've never heard of..
    Love people that make obnoxious statements just to get noticed.

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    Just looked over the list of the highest rated recruits ever, and I don't think Sark coached one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Ya I'm kinda curious who all these ruined wunderkinds are that I've never heard of..
    I want to see a college coach fuck up with Mikey Gow in 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    I want to see a college coach fuck up with Mikey Gow in 3 years.
    You won't have to necessarily blame it on the coach when it happens..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hithit View Post
    Not many prospects have been rated higher than Arch, so I don't think your statement is true.
    Who is the best pro QB that Sark coached? How many 5 star recruits has be coached?

    And the only reason Arch is so high is because the rest of the class is lower. Quinn Ewers was a better high school QB than Arch is. And we all saw what Ewers did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Who is the best pro QB that Sark coached? How many 5 star recruits has be coached?

    And the only reason Arch is so high is because the rest of the class is lower. Quinn Ewers was a better high school QB than Arch is. And we all saw what Ewers did.
    This has nothing to do with what you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hithit View Post
    This has nothing to do with what you said.
    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    It is Sark. He has tanked the careers of prospects better than Arch.
    I said Sark can't develop QBs. I then gave an example of a highly ranked prospect he didn't develop. Do you need me to draw a map?

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    Quinn Ewers looks like he got voted most likely to shogun a Busch Light after a TD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    It is Sark. He has tanked the careers of prospects better than Arch.
    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I said Sark can't develop QBs. I then gave an example of a highly ranked prospect he didn't develop. Do you need me to draw a map?
    Holy backpedal batman.
    So which is it? He hasn't coached any or he's ruined better prospects?

    Also, you said prospects, not qbs. Kind of a big difference.

    And, one doesn't mean he has ruined multiple as you claimed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    Quinn Ewers looks like he got voted most likely to shogun a Busch Light after a TD.
    I know what you mean, but I wish the typo version is actually true because that sounds awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by hithit View Post
    Holy backpedal batman.
    So which is it? He hasn't coached any or he's ruined better prospects?

    Also, you said prospects, not qbs. Kind of a big difference.

    And, one doesn't mean he has ruined multiple as you claimed.
    What are you talking about?

    I never said he hasn't coach any highly ranked prospects. I said he can't develop highly ranked prospects.

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    No, you said he's tanked better prospects than Arch. I'm still waiting to see the prospects he's tanked that are better than Arch.

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    As a Packer fan I'm happy and sad about this news.
    Happy I don't have to hear about it anymore, and that it's over.
    Sad that arguably the best qb in franchise history didn't finish his career in GB.
    Hopefully the trade package is solid, and hopefully Love is ready to roll.

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    The Packers have such little leverage now. I'm curious where the deal will end up landing. (over/under a 2nd round pick?)

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    I would say at minimum a 2nd, but that's probably the Homer in me wishing.

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    How much has the Packers' not deciding cost them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The Packers have such little leverage now. I'm curious where the deal will end up landing. (over/under a 2nd round pick?)
    I don't see any huge leverage advantage either way, I mean they've all showed their hands.

    Green Bay obviously is completely out of the Rodgers business at this point. Their options are trade him, and that's what they want, and to exorcise his drama and his contract. Or cut him and have a $100M cap hit while receiving zero compensation, this of course ain't happening. Or to keep him rostered and owe him $60M come Sept and the cap hit that comes with that. And the Jets are of course aware of those options. And everyone under the sun - most certainly the NY media - are aware of their options at QB if they can't secure Rodgers.

    It appears to be mutually assured destruction by both sides to not suck it up and iron out an amicable deal at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The Packers have such little leverage now. I'm curious where the deal will end up landing. (over/under a 2nd round pick?)
    A 1st and a conditional pick. The conditional being, if Rodgers plays a second year for the Jets, another 1. Otherwise, its a 2.

    That's what I heard 2 days ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    A 1st and a conditional pick. The conditional being, if Rodgers plays a second year for the Jets, another 1. Otherwise, its a 2.

    That's what I heard 2 days ago.

    If you’re Green Bay, you take that deal and run…addition by subtraction…

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    I think they were waiting for Rodgers to CONFIRM he wanted to go.

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    If the Jets give up a 1st rounder and a 2 that could become a 1 if Rodgers plays a second year, they are overpaying, and should wait for GB to cut Rodgers.

    Orlando Brown getting paid, and he deserves it.

    Zeke getting released is a shame. I think he still has value on the open market.

    I am looking forward to seeing JuJu in New England.

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    GB isn't gonna cut Rodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    If the Jets give up a 1st rounder and a 2 that could become a 1 if Rodgers plays a second year, they are overpaying, and should wait for GB to cut Rodgers.
    ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Their options are trade him, and that's what they want, and to exorcise his drama and his contract. Or cut him and have a $100M cap hit while receiving zero compensation, this of course ain't happening. Or to keep him rostered and owe him $60M come Sept and the cap hit that comes with that.

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    That is why, in my view, the Jets have more leverage and the Packers have very little. The Jets theoretically have another option - they could go sign Lamar Jackson. Which is why I put the over/under at a second round pick for the Rodgers trade.

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    The Jets brought in Nathanial Hackett for one QB on the planet and one QB only..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    The Jets brought in Nathanial Hackett for one QB on the planet and one QB only..
    The potential for Aaron to go off the rails is immense.


    As a Bears fan, I'm outwardly thrilled that Aaron fucking Rodgers is out of the NFC North. Even better that he's out of the whole damn conference. I'm publicly overjoyed, and hope he goes full Tyson level nuts.

    Internally, I'm secretly terrified that somehow this is the start to Jordan Love's eventual HOF career. Because Fuck the Packers.

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    I don't think anyone has leverage in this situation, and a solution would require all parties to meet in the middle.

    The jets need a QB, and they can't afford to wait. Waiting has already cost them the alternative options of Carr/Jimmy G/etc. They cannot simply just sign Lamar. I don't believe he is even really available. Whatever offer the Jets would make would have to be accepted by Lamar AND the Ravens would have to choose not to match it AND the Jets would have to give up two 1st round picks. That combo is simply not happening with the Jets. And the Packers have no incentive to rush this. They're moving onto Love either way. Whether they trade Rodgers tomorrow or on June 15th makes no difference to their operations. The Jets on the other hand will have their offseason program impacted if their expected QB cannot attend because he is still under contract with GB. And I imagine there will be added pressure for him to attend the offseason program considering how important its been in his career to be on the same page as his OL and WRs.

    The packers theoretically have all the leverage, on paper, because of what I stated above. However, this isn't Madden and these are real people. The way the Favre exit happened was terrible, and GB stands to lose from the PR standpoint if they don't handle this "the right way." The perception of having two generational, HOF QBs, back to back, for 30 straight years, and only two super bowls to show for it is a bad look for the organization. If they were to bungle the relationship with said QBs on BOTH occasions, that would be even worse. Rodgers has made the appearance of taking the high road by saying that he understands they have a new young QB, and he feels nothing but gratitude etc. He's saying all the right things and is handling this with an adept sense of equal parts politics and grace. If GB digs their heels in, as Rodgers already accused them of doing, they come out of this looking like greedy assholes who don't give a shit about the longest-tenured Packer of all time.

    Idk how accurate the reports are, but I've seen some say the Jets are looking for compensation similar to when they traded for Favre (one pick in round 3 or 4), and then alternatively I've seen that GB wants two 1sts.

    I feel like there should be a very reasonable place in the middle that can make sense where the immediate compensation consists of a day 2 pick + a player that can help GB now that NYJ may not have an outright NEED for (think S Jordan Whitehead or WR Elijah Moore), and then a conditional 2024 1st rounder if and only if Rodgers is on the Jets roster at the start of the 2024 league year (afterall, his looming retirement is likely the only thing keeping this from being a done deal with two 1st rounders).
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    If they could get Moore and a 2nd I'd be pretty happy with that.
    Saw Tonyan went to the Bears. Solid pick up for Chicago if he can stay healthy.

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    Whatever leverage there is, the Packers have it. More or less, Rodgers is on their books so they're accounting for him. If the Jets don't make this happen, they're letting everyone down. The bridge is burned with GB so Rodgers would just retire at this point and probably look to portray himself as a martyr. It looks bad on the franchise but who exactly is drawing the ire since there's no figurehead of ownership? It goes the GM and it doesn't matter as long as Love is worth his weight.

    It'll get figured out eventually.

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    The Packers don't have leverage because they want 2023 draft pick(s) from the Jets to be included in this deal.

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    Do we know that or just assume? To clarify, I would assume they would too. But I just haven't read or heard anything explicitly saying that it's a driving force for them
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    So apparently Snyder has sold the Commanders. Seen a couple friends post it on Facebook, but haven't seen any actual confirmation of it yet.

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    And the Commanders aren't sold yet.

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    The AFC East feels like an arms race this offseason, with OBJ now being linked to the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The AFC East feels like an arms race this offseason, with OBJ now being linked to the Jets.
    As was the AFC West last season, and we saw how that went.

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    Big Zeke Elliott is eyeing the Jets. That team could be stacked in a month or two. Whether or not they could actually do something next season remains to be seen.

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    They are still the Jets, so something will probably go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Big Zeke Elliott is eyeing the Jets. That team could be stacked in a month or two. Whether or not they could actually do something next season remains to be seen.
    Unless Hall has a major setback, that's more of the player (Zeke) needing the team than the team needing him. It seems like that's the case with the teams listed. It's more a wish list.

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