The move away from Val... I said I didnt like the Val votes. The vote on randolph was based on gut feels.Originally Posted by Mazer
Claws threatening people is scummy in general.
I addressed the Kangus vote before anyone else. Why would I put myself out there like that?
So about half of this is a complete misrepresentation of what ive done/said
Ehn, I guess I can see that.
I prefer the look at Jarrod myself. That has the weight of the numbers behind it for me with that roleblock.
As you said, he just kind of skated by with all the pressure going on Badger because of Badger being his usual talkative self and drawing attention.
Jarrod has been more quiet than I would anticipate from him.
Since I'm not waiting for any night info to come in (and since Psycho clearly isn't a valid vote) from anyone might as well start the discussion early.
Vote Jarrod
Hmm let me go back and see the vote by BN off Val and onto Randolph
Day 4 Vote Count:
1 - Jarrod (Pablo #1302)
Not Voting: DivaSmurf, Listo, Crackle, Mazer, Kangus, Badger, MTR, Claws, Jarrod, FutureHold, Blind Ninja, CWE, Randolph, CWE
Day 4 will end on August 18th at 7:00pm ET (GMT-4) or when majority is reached. With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for majority.
Found these, but I also found this one following.
I can't really hate on early gut feeling reads, but I think Listo also deserves some consideration then. Still like where my vote currently is mind.
There was no vote on Val by me... so Mazer is off base with that
I mean, at some point someone from scum has to put out a town to lynch. And there had already been pressure on jarrod and Grae. So I don't see why leading a vote train against a townie would mean you were town? Particularly, since that didn't seem like a high risk play before he came out for Grae.
Yes, you said you didn't like the Val votes, and Randolph was a gut. I never said you didn't. I said that I didn't like it. Which I didn't. But maybe that was what happened. But there was nothing definitive that couldn't have also been a meaningless jump to be off a wagon. Nothing precludes it, and it would be foolish to not consider it, because we both know that happens.
And honestly, I still don't get where claws saying that he's going to kill people is scummy. Just seems like random shit-talk, like I honestly don't expect cwe is really going to hit me with a cannon or a batarang.
So....I'm not sure where not whole-heartedly accepting your statements leads you to complete misrepresentation.
Yeah, he didn't vote Val. It was during that time when people were moving away. But he was just hanging, did not vote.
I mean...
The only real thing bothering me about blind is he didnt vote to kill grae instead voted to give him immunity which from there background makes 0 sense he also toted on about i can change crap hes been like thing for years why change meow?
have i lost my vote or is there a mistake here?Day 4 Vote Count:
1 - Jarrod (Pablo #1302)
Not Voting: DivaSmurf, Listo, Crackle, Mazer, Kangus, Badger, MTR, Claws, Jarrod, FutureHold, Blind Ninja, CWE, Randolph, CWE
Day 4 will end on August 18th at 7:00pm ET (GMT-4) or when majority is reached. With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for majority.
You think Im that bold to vote my scum teammate, knowing how MMO people will react to me not trying to gun for Grae?The only real thing bothering me about blind is he didnt vote to kill grae instead voted to give him immunity which from there background makes 0 sense he also toted on about i can change crap hes been like thing for years why change meow?
They didnt tho i am now so i dont see your point
it doesnt look like you voted today... scroll back and didnt see one
WTF did you attempt to say, and in response to who?
Ahem.
Day 4 Vote Count:
1 - Jarrod (Pablo #1302)
Not Voting: DivaSmurf, Listo, Crackle, Mazer, Kangus, Badger, MTR, Claws, Jarrod, FutureHold, Blind Ninja, CWE, Randolph, Morrison
Day 4 will end on August 18th at 7:00pm ET (GMT-4) or when majority is reached. With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for majority.
I'd believe it for Caito.
my name wasn't is the 'not voting' section.
To you no1 questioned it except moi
Where's your head at with Jarrod and Morri?
Numbers give Jarrod a good chance he's scum. With being eliminated from a handful of town roles.
I dont know Morri's play, but theres something I just cant shake about it. Ill need to look back and see if I can get a more clear opinion
He did the classic oh ppl are looking at me better write a massive biography i believe rando made fun of it
Morri sorry forgot to add that
Problem with jarrod is the same with badger they both were elimmed from a ton of town roles early
I dont want to be that guy mazer but you called badger towny in he man and he was dicking us all as a yellow
Probably a bit harsh there Claws. I was subtly trying to get healed and get my proper vote back
That's true. I felt pretty confident he wasn't in a scum chat that game. That actually turned out to be right. Somehow didn't predict the whole "un-joined scum who could also be come town" role, and failed to assess that possibility in my read.
I did vet it out a bit more this game, and have some gameplay/mechanic reads with style. Not 100, but if he's got me I doff my cap.
This game is hurting my head. Not a lot of info out there. Let me see what I can piece together.
I will add my town list that I am fairly sure of is Badger, kangus, Pablo, Mazer, and CWE. Iffy on pretty much everyone else.
With evidence or spreadsheeting, who is actually known to be town and what person is most likely to be scum?
I accepted bad news was coming my way after last day phase but the opportunity to eliminate two scum the same day was obviously worth it.
I don't like Blind Ninja's timing this game. His day one vote for Graeham elevated him to special status and we already know, of the other people who voted for Graeham that day, val and 3puppies are town. Is it reasonable to think Graeham would have a scum vote in there? I think so.
Blind Ninja also went after me late last day phase. Now I must say that BN voiced his suspicion of me early on in the game and I can certainly see it would follow that a vote by me without explanation would cause him to further doubt me. Yet, it was an opportunity all the same to tighten the screws for Graeham, and he passed on it.
Also, I'm not sure if this needs to be said but I would definitely love to be cured. I'm not sure it's even possible and it won't break my heart if it doesn't happen. Like I said, I knew this was likely how it was going to play out.
Are we out of wishes?
James cameron shut it down
Well crap. I have died by poison a few times and it sucks when you can do nothing about it.
The vote thing with Morrison was weird and I feel glossed over oddly fast
Also I believe jarrod is scum, I’m going to wait to cast a vote for now, mostly because bonding will be easier on the computer
Can you elborate id just like to hear your thoughts on why he is scum in your eyes no rush plenty of time to get on the pc and sort it out
Yea, happy to elaborate in just a little bit
Can't wait to hear why you're so wrong.
I’m confused by what you mean on this involving me. I should be a consideration for low effort? Pretty much everyone at MMOC knows I’m more of a late game player than anything.
Besides that what is your read on MTR. Mainly because I’m under the assumption that Bumi is a maid like role and we got checked n1. With no one going after either of us I assume we matched which means we are both the same faction.
I feel like if Bumi had something to say he would've said something by now
I was more referring to why I didn’t really think what Blind do was that different from you so if people were going to put BN in for the random late vote on that train you also had one.
As you say though your maid check makes it less likely.
i do the same thing nearly every game where i come in and rapid fire responses to posts as i read what's gone down instead of consolidating them. the shit i said during that string of posts addressed the game more than any of rando's during the same span.
Weird I thought I had quoted Listos post there. But yeah that was in response to listos post.
Thanks to you people, I can't tell when people are referring to me or to random people when they say the word "rando".
I think that jarrod’s votes have almost been purposively blended, helped make sure town died, voted for foxxi originally (like for the gifts) but he did also vote Mazer, and I believe mazer is town, so it makes me think it could’ve been to make sure to even out vote that way he didn’t vote for two scum to get gifts. I also know that multiple people have suspected jarrod throughout the game, and that even though it’s sprinkled it’s still there so I don’t feel like it’s just me. At first it was gut, but my gut was wrong before, so I wanted to take a better look. I'm still not great at gathering details but I feel like he is scum or at least he is not town.
People I think are town, or not scum are Mazer Pablo. I feel Kangus would not have been poisoned if he was scum. I have some other leans too but they don’t have solid logic or I am still very unsure. But I trust what they say. I also like hearing Claws’ and Randolph.
Jarrod i have to add I laughed really hard when you responded
Definitely wasn't splitting a vote in D1. Mazer and Foxxi, if town, are top notch. I was surprised that Foxxi wasn't town. I really thought the gimmicks would be a town. I voted for two people that would be a asset to town.
Again this Doppelganger stuff screams shenanigans. Maybe something akin to the fake flip Rip did on Mikey_Jones to be Evil-Lyn in He-Man. I don't think that's exactly what's going on but something IS going on.
I like that you're trying but it's a miss. Glad I can entertain you though Diva.
I can understand the voting for assets to town, I wouldn’t know that part since I’ve never seen how people play, so that’s what it looked like from my perspective. I appreciate your acknowledgement as well thank you. I’m still not vibing with you for town though
I should vote you for using a variation of the word vibe.
I liked divas bit its food for thought jarrods gettin all defensive its cute
Watchu mean variation of the word vibe, it's not my fault it's an accurate description of my feeling. You just aren't sending town vibes y'know.
Thanks Claws
on day 1, as far as we know, foxxi was yellow, so trying to glean possible scum off that train feels misguided.
Ohh, that's something I hadn't really put together and factored in, thanks for pointing that out.
foxxi was a compulsive doppelganger. the need for it to be compulsive leads me to believe she needed to make some choice with her night action. the doppelganger role shows as the alignment/role of another character if investigated. maybe each night she had to pick another player to dopplegang(thus the compulsive modifier), and if she was investigated by a cop/role cop, she'd flag as whatever alignment or role that person is. so maybe the analaq/long feng piece of her flip was the role of the last person she targeted on night 2.
also, im thinking a lot of these characters may have day and night actions/roles.
Now the question still stands was she alone or is yellow a whole 2nd scum team
as far as lore, asami/azula are not unaffiliated characters, so for them to be yellow/third party on their lonesome would seem odd. but i know void racked his brain for a long time around balancing, so it's possible some narrative/lore detail had to be fudged.
Ive wracked my brain alot on the 2 chars i think 1 char is from avatar and 1 from korra i think every1s has 1 from each i havent compared tho because it is most likely a wasted effort
Vibe is a over used, annoying word. It's like a song getting huge air play on the radio. You might not hate it right away but after you hear it over and over it just starts grating your nerves.
I understand your thoughts and you can think wrong thoughts all you like.
Is there any1 that possibly doesnt have 2 chars idk
Vibe, gut feels its semantics your getting iritated over nothing
This cat must slee Zzz
I mean 'vibes' aren't a bad way to play. My reads on Foxxi was a little bit of knowledge of her playstyle and me assessing that she was playing different than her usual self when town. I obviously had no idea if i was correct or not predeath and it was just mostly feel. But i ended up with the correct result.
Obviously isn't always correct.
pabs and i had pretty much come to that conclusion earlier.
if james cameron is a player, i think they may be a singular role. everyone else, for the most part, probably have dual characters.
I'm not getting irritated. I'm just saying in 2022 it's a word that is very over used.
I don't disagree. Go with your gut. I just don't care for the word vibe and explained why. It's very over used to the point of nails on a chalk board cringe, not here in mafia but in every day life.I mean 'vibes' aren't a bad way to play. My reads on Foxxi was a little bit of knowledge of her playstyle and me assessing that she was playing different than her usual self when town. I obviously had no idea if i was correct or not predeath and it was just mostly feel. But i ended up with the correct result.
Obviously isn't always correct.
You have positive vibes to give? Well then you send that shit elsewhere because Jarrod will punch you right in the fucking mouth if those vibes come anywhere near him.
You could say it really "grinds his gears"
Angry now?
No.
We wouldnt like him when hes angry thats the vibes i get
Angry now?
Funnys aside im not so sure i know what a town jarrod play is hes obviously a mastermind in a scum chat but i think the only game i played with a town jarrod was kingmaker and i wasnt "a merciful king"
Day 4 Vote Count:
1 - Jarrod (Pablo #1302)
Not Voting: DivaSmurf, Listo, Crackle, Mazer, Kangus, Badger, MTR, Claws, Jarrod, FutureHold, Blind Ninja, CWE, Randolph, Morrison
Day 4 will end on August 18th at 7:00pm ET (GMT-4) or when majority is reached. With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for majority.
You were not. Have you even been town yet on Rajah?
Vote DivaSmurf
Did not see that coming.
Odd vote
I don't do "odd votes".
Just not getting any scum reads off her though. She wasn't around the last day phase and she is now trying to at least share some thoughts this phase. She is new and still learning I think. If she was scum I feel she would have been a bit more active and a bit more coached. I could be wrong. Just the way I am looking at it.
Not when you mod but yes i have been town once or twice
So who are we starting a train on today? Jarod? We need to get this going.
Who do you wanna train
Cuz ill be frank saying that rando and not doing sumthin about it via starting a train feels alot like fishing
And hes gone
Fine. I'll move to #2.
Unvote
Vote MTR
Was it mtr who was vetted with listo? So if one flips scum the other is or?
Assuming Bumi is like a maid yes. Only way for him to not be town is if he's a GF or neutral.
Right i was just wondering if thats a good route to risk you personally havent burned me yet so i lean you town but mtr has felt wishy washy to me but then again so have alot of ppl
Any reason you think I am scum? I am not. I am town. Just trying to figure out the reasoning for your votes this morning.
Why are you town what has made you towny in your eyes just saying you are is poor defense
Honestly if you have paid attention you can see that I am town.
Unfortunately unlike kangus I have not been able to get any useful information from my actions so that has made it a bit harder to help solve.
I would point out the thing with Listo but honestly that doesn't clear really clear either one of us at the moment beyond we are on the same team. Which is town by the way.
Assuming i havent been paying attention is very scummy of you.
This day has taken a rather odd turn to say the least. Randolph’s asking questions and wanting to start trains without offering any real opinions of his own. CWE’s jumped from Diva to MTR without any real explanation. I’m not sure if he has something or trying to fish. Jarrod’s defending a lot but not offered much either in the way of other options.
CWE is my biggest town read largely due to the game he was in so I’ll wait to see if he elaborates further.
I know you pay attention. I was just answering your question.
Thats how i feel every1 says there a good guy but no1 takes action
I think CWE is just fishing around going off feels and reads. I want to hear why the votes though.
I am still on the fence about Jarrod.
Actually want to try to get some stuff going. Not set in stone but will work for now.
Vote Jarrod
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