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    I'm admittedly a little biased since it does feel like quite some time since Foxxi has been able to play a game and not be eliminated early. Often through no fault of her own at that.

    With that said, I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to be obligated to sabotage and sacrifice themselves for the sake of another player. It's a choice I'd entertain if it were me, sure, though I wouldn't expect or pressure other players to do it. So I'll admit something about it doesn't sit right with me.

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    These wacky people switching avatars…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    I'm admittedly a little biased since it does feel like quite some time since Foxxi has been able to play a game and not be eliminated early. Often through no fault of her own at that.

    With that said, I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to be obligated to sabotage and sacrifice themselves for the sake of another player. It's a choice I'd entertain if it were me, sure, though I wouldn't expect or pressure other players to do it. So I'll admit something about it doesn't sit right with me.
    What doesn't sit right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    These wacky people switching avatars…
    Your avatar swap fucked me up for a day at least. No idea who was posting until I read the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    What doesn't sit right?
    I don't know. Consider it a gut feel for now. Something I may tug at later, or forget about on a whim. You know me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Your avatar swap fucked me up for a day at least. No idea who was posting until I read the name.
    The dancing Badger is taking some well-deserved time off after such a great run at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    I don't know. Consider it a gut feel for now. Something I may tug at later, or forget about on a whim. You know me.
    If it has anything to do with me not being genuine, please do not do the same thing as last game. It will be the same situation.

    And before you say of course I'll say that, please think how many times I've actually lied in Mafia :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    If it has anything to do with me not being genuine, please do not do the same thing as last game. It will be the same situation.

    And before you say of course I'll say that, please think how many times I've actually lied in Mafia :P
    Fine, I'll trust you then. If you betray me I'll be sad though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Something I may tug at later,

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Is this better?
    Small like a kitten

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Fine, I'll trust you then. If you betray me I'll be sad though.
    Will you betray me, however?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Will you betray me, however?
    I won't betray anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    I won't betray anyone.
    Thats odd for some reason it pinged me for a survivor role type like i cant betray any1 because i have no1

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    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clawsout View Post
    Thats odd for some reason it pinged me for a survivor role type like i cant betray any1 because i have no1
    Claws, no. I feel fine about grae currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Huh?
    I will translate. You didn't say you wouldn't betray me. You went and said "I wouldn't betray anyone." The wording sounds like a copout where you could be a survivor role or 3p and that statement is factual. You won't betray anyone because you have no one to betray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    Claws, no. I feel fine about grae currently.
    Ya hes felt decent so far that post just felt weird carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    The dancing Badger is taking some well-deserved time off after such a great run at the top.
    Changing avatars should be banned, it confuses the shit out of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    The dancing Badger is taking some well-deserved time off after such a great run at the top.
    it may be number 1 all-time

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I will translate. You didn't say you wouldn't betray me. You went and said "I wouldn't betray anyone." The wording sounds like a copout where you could be a survivor role or 3p and that statement is factual. You won't betray anyone because you have no one to betray.
    I should have to earn everyone's trust every game. either my logic works out, or it doesn't. The only person here I trust, in a gameplay sense, is CWE.

    And he doesn't trust me unless I earn it. Sometimes not even then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I will translate. You didn't say you wouldn't betray me. You went and said "I wouldn't betray anyone." The wording sounds like a copout where you could be a survivor role or 3p and that statement is factual. You won't betray anyone because you have no one to betray.
    It was really just a general statement in response to what I read as little more than playful banter referencing prior games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    4
    Lower than 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Lower than 4.
    10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I should have to earn everyone's trust every game. either my logic works out, or it doesn't. The only person here I trust, in a gameplay sense, is CWE.

    And he doesn't trust me unless I earn it. Sometimes not even then.
    This is a reference to something Grae and I have done in a few games. We inevitably ask if the other will betray us. Normally, we don't lie. Graeham broke that trust (he had to. he was scum).

    I would have a lot more difficulty doing that. I really try not to lie in Mafia because it is a lot harder to keep lies straight that the truth. Like, if I were scum and you asked if I were town, I wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't say yes either, if that makes sense.

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    Betraying a persons trust in Mafia, especially if you are partners….. is unimaginable and would NEVER happen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I was kinda hoping you wouldn't draw scum this game, because your current run of draws might put you above mine from last year. Ah well. c'est la vie.

    I do question anyone who thinks that I would wait for someone else, so they had a better chance to survive than me. Or thinks that generally people owe decreasing their own survival to another. Your "different opinion" statement holds very little weight, as you know that if everyone is participating that an individual's chances go down. Go ahead, tell me where that logic doesn't hold.

    VK's selfless play for foxxi is cool. Doesn't mean I would do it. But......I think you know that.


    And I think you know where you're not solving.
    I think you're deliberately missing the point and your tone comes off as someone who's decided I'm scum and trying to paint others as scummy with little reconsideration

    I'm on to you, varmint

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Betraying a persons trust in Mafia, especially if you are partners….. is unimaginable and would NEVER happen here.


    Vote Caito

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Lower than 4.
    2

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    It was 2.

    Morrison- 4
    Mazer- 4
    VoidKitten- 3
    FoxxiMcLeod- 1

    Morrison is safe.
    Mazer is safe.

    Start again.

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    I am wondering if green Rio blocked Pablo, and guessing that maybe Tung Lashor possibly targeted Pablo as well, perhaps also block or a reversal action?. Since Pig Boy attacked Pablo, and Pablo did not die, I think this means Pablo is not red. I like the idea that he had a BPV. And since Lashor is yellow, I think Pablo is not yellow either (though yellow may have self-targeted as a decoy). Unless Yellow Tung Lashor could protect someone on his team? Is that a likely power for a scum team to have? Anyway, if Pablo was blocked, would that rule him out from being Count Marzo? Marzo's action didn't go through, but was that because his target was protected? Since we didn't see anything from blue, Pablo being blocked might explain why we did not hear from Zodac.

    In the last version of this game, the Book of Rajah was a character that Pablo played. If this is again a character, I am not sure where to put in on the spreadsheet. I am thinking red, but maybe it doesn't communicate with the other red players - yet. Which could also explain why Red targeted Pablo, and the fact that he didn't die might instead mean that he is now invited to the red chat with the rest of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    In the last version of this game, the Book of Rajah was a character that Pablo played. If this is again a character, I am not sure where to put in on the spreadsheet. I am thinking red, but maybe it doesn't communicate with the other red players - yet. Which could also explain why Red targeted Pablo, and the fact that he didn't die might instead mean that he is now invited to the red chat with the rest of them?
    I actually don't hate this line of thinking. There was nothing to indicate that Pablo was protected in the writeup or that any character interfered. Pablo got speared and now has a healed wound with a scar.

    What is the scar representing?

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    I think Badger is not Gwildor, because it was known after Day 1 that he had immunity. There would be no reason for him to vanish at night if he knew he was immune.

    Red would have known not to target Badger because of his immunity. I think Red only has the odd night kill, and yellow may have an even night kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I actually don't hate this line of thinking. There was nothing to indicate that Pablo was protected in the writeup or that any character interfered. Pablo got speared and now has a healed wound with a scar.

    What is the scar representing?
    It represents a warning - "Don't trust Pablo!" Or probably it means we shouldn't trust Jarrod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    It represents a warning - "Don't trust Pablo!" Or probably it means we shouldn't trust Jarrod.
    Well no. You never trust the mod. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    In the last version of this game, the Book of Rajah was a character that Pablo played. If this is again a character, I am not sure where to put in on the spreadsheet. I am thinking red, but maybe it doesn't communicate with the other red players - yet. Which could also explain why Red targeted Pablo, and the fact that he didn't die might instead mean that he is now invited to the red chat with the rest of them?
    Last time around I could be found by either side. I became red and officially joined them and after being recruited I became their killer. This time around, if it is a character on their own, definitely red, Traxx is even in red.

    Also recruits tend to not have the person recruited have their name show in the write-up if it's a successful recruit. Otherwise it would make recruits pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Last time around I could be found by either side. I became red and officially joined them and after being recruited I became their killer. This time around, if it is a character on their own, definitely red, Traxx is even in red.

    Also recruits tend to not have the person recruited have their name show in the write-up if it's a successful recruit. Otherwise it would make recruits pointless.
    I can see that. I note that you said "successful recruit." Could it be that is who Beastman was searching for? A lost wolf/traitor/whatever you wanna call it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    It was 2.

    Morrison- 4
    Mazer- 4
    VoidKitten- 3
    FoxxiMcLeod- 1

    Morrison is safe.
    Mazer is safe.

    Start again.
    Starting this on the hour so I remember easily when its time to guess again if Foxxi hasn't gone. As a reminder, the day can end at any of my guesses, if I'm right, so get in what you want to say before.

    Jack

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    I’m also curious as to why TraXX of all people was the person who was chosen first? Strong player no question but not as high profile as some. It could just be random but it could also even be a smokescreen knowing that we’d link that to the Book of Rajah so on the surface he doesn’t really seem red.

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    I don't think Pablo survived because of a BPV. I'm pretty sure that Pig feller did something specific to him going by the write-up. It didn't focus on him surviving the attack, it focused on the attack not being fatal but leavin' a mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I’m also curious as to why TraXX of all people was the person who was chosen first? Strong player no question but not as high profile as some. It could just be random but it could also even be a smokescreen knowing that we’d link that to the Book of Rajah so on the surface he doesn’t really seem red.
    This was one of my questions I forgot to ask earlier. If the last game made it so someone can show as red, when they aren't, would scum use that knowledge and maybe mark one of their scum since everyone will have been used to it by now?

    Tinfoil, but a thought nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I don't think Pablo survived because of a BPV. I'm pretty sure that Pig feller did something specific to him going by the write-up. It didn't focus on him surviving the attack, it focused on the attack not being fatal but leavin' a mark
    This is precisely my thoughts.

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    Marzos abuility sounded like it backfired on him considering we havent see anything outta the oridibary it may be sum1 just not talking

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    Leaving a mark, as in, if he's investigated by a cop, he will now show green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Leaving a mark, as in, if he's investigated by a cop, he will now show green?
    I dunno what the mark means. He's either been weakened in some way(role loses accuracy, vote doesn't count, etc) or maybe somethin' will happen to him on a later phase. Maybe it'll take less votes for him to be voted out.

    I can't explain it, but I didn't read that mess as a kill survival. Not to mention that would mean scum had two kills on N1. Which isn't unlikely in this size game but less likely to happen this early.

    I ain't puttin' much stock in the roles that were redirected or unsuccessful until we get a greater sample size, ya hear?

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    Maybe it could be a delayed death through poison or bleeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Maybe it could be a delayed death through poison or bleeding.
    It says it will heal, so I doubt it is a death.

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    In Jarrod's last game, a few of us on the scum team were "chipped" by Batman, which would have made us show green if we were copped. But as I recall, the town cop was killed early and it didn't matter. I don't know how common this gimmick is, but I like your thought that it could just as likely mean his vote won't count or anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    In Jarrod's last game, a few of us on the scum team were "chipped" by Batman, which would have made us show green if we were copped. But as I recall, the town cop was killed early and it didn't matter. I don't know how common this gimmick is, but I like your thought that it could just as likely mean his vote won't count or anything else.
    I thought this too, but assumed it would just be for one day and Pablo said he got no notice about anything. But say he were lying and he did lose a vote, why would scum use that at the same time as a voteless day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    It says it will heal, so I doubt it is a death.
    Hopefully it doesn't lead to anything too crazy then. Like changing alignment or turning someone into a zombie cannibal.

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    The Batman chip was for the rest of the game.

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    Who is Jack? I've seen him mentioned a lot but can't seem to find him on the list of players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Who is Jack? I've seen him mentioned a lot but can't seem to find him on the list of players.
    It's Jack Mehoff? Have you not met Jack before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    The Batman chip was for the rest of the game.
    Oh no I meant that he could have lost a vote. Usually that isn't all game as that basically removes someone's power as town and can't vote. If its for the rest of the game, it is basically a kill (outside of having actions, of course) since it removes a vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    It's Jack Mehoff? Have you not met Jack before?
    Of course he has. How else do you think his hair stays in the exact same position every time he posts.

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    Grae feels somewhat townie in his interactions. He made me wary earlier, but I'm okay with saying town for now. Its a longer game most likely so that can shift.

    Psycho feels off. I don't necessarily know if he is scum, but I want to see him interact more before I make any commitment on that front.

    Claws is up in the air still

    I feel good about 3pups and Morrison currently. Morrison a bit less than 3pups.

    Mazer I want to feel good about, but I have a nagging feeling that I can't fully explain.

    I'm not looking or worrying about Badger until Day 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I think Badger is not Gwildor, because it was known after Day 1 that he had immunity. There would be no reason for him to vanish at night if he knew he was immune.

    Red would have known not to target Badger because of his immunity. I think Red only has the odd night kill, and yellow may have an even night kill.
    On the first part, that would depend on whether he is a compulsive commuter, if he is indeed a commuter. My working theory is that he might be a time traveller who can go back nights and revive people, hence why Randolph has not been revealed.

    On the second part it would mean that Tung Lashor appearing in Pablo's section was pure flavour. Either that or Rio Blast knows who Tung is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clawsout View Post
    Marzos abuility sounded like it backfired on him considering we havent see anything outta the oridibary it may be sum1 just not talking
    The rest of that section makes Snout Spout sound like a doctor/jailer/bodyguard (we already have the sorceress as a doctor) but his interaction with Marzo has a reflector vibe to it.

    And I agree about Pablo with those who say the scar is significant. Might be a Chekhov's gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    It's Jack Mehoff? Have you not met Jack before?

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    I still don't like psycho. Claws would totally toss kitten and I in this game, but his posts haven't pinged me really. Caito and mazer would also absolutely toss me and kitten together into this. I like grae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I can see that. I note that you said "successful recruit." Could it be that is who Beastman was searching for? A lost wolf/traitor/whatever you wanna call it
    The flavour doesn’t really lend to a recruit. The chipping aspect seems more likely. Hopefully it’s not some mark that can be activated later and kill all marked. I strongly doubt that though as that would be too overpowered for scum to have alongside their regular kill.

    I’m on my phone so not multiquoting but you also brought up the thing about Traxx and I agree. I don’t think it clears him in anyway. I’m just going to ignore the flavour of which character is used. Last time we used it to try to confuse people. So this time being on the otherwise I’m just going to ignore who or whatever they put out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Lower than Jack.
    Three

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I think you're deliberately missing the point and your tone comes off as someone who's decided I'm scum and trying to paint others as scummy with little reconsideration

    I'm on to you, varmint
    it's really not like you to avoid questions. that's one of the reasons i enjoy our sparring sessions.

    i've asked twice to explain how you differentiate between "waiting for someone to check in" and lowering one's own survival chances.


    and you've not even speculated on the other thing.




    This just leaves me feeling.....deflated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    I still don't like psycho. Claws would totally toss kitten and I in this game, but his posts haven't pinged me really. Caito and mazer would also absolutely toss me and kitten together into this. I like grae.
    Talk about Mazer independent of your read on me or the card game, Foxtail

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Three
    Higher than 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Higher than 3.
    What do you have against 3? Its the only number you haven't used. Numberist....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreyski View Post
    On the first part, that would depend on whether he is a compulsive commuter, if he is indeed a commuter. My working theory is that he might be a time traveller who can go back nights and revive people, hence why Randolph has not been revealed.

    On the second part it would mean that Tung Lashor appearing in Pablo's section was pure flavour. Either that or Rio Blast knows who Tung is.



    The rest of that section makes Snout Spout sound like a doctor/jailer/bodyguard (we already have the sorceress as a doctor) but his interaction with Marzo has a reflector vibe to it.

    And I agree about Pablo with those who say the scar is significant. Might be a Chekhov's gun.
    The bolded part above - Working off my theory that Rio blocked Pablo, so what if Tung Lashor tried to do the same, or tried some sort of role reflector on Pablo? I don't think that it necessarily means that Rio/Lashor know who each other might be.

    Not sure what a Chekhov's gun is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    The bolded part above - Working off my theory that Rio blocked Pablo, so what if Tung Lashor tried to do the same, or tried some sort of role reflector on Pablo? I don't think that it necessarily means that Rio/Lashor know who each other might be.

    Not sure what a Chekhov's gun is?
    It is the principle that states a story element shouldn't be used as just flavor and that it will point to something. Its a literary term. So basically, the flavor, since it was seemingly important, should pay out at some point in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    This is a reference to something Grae and I have done in a few games. We inevitably ask if the other will betray us. Normally, we don't lie. Graeham broke that trust (he had to. he was scum).

    I would have a lot more difficulty doing that. I really try not to lie in Mafia because it is a lot harder to keep lies straight that the truth. Like, if I were scum and you asked if I were town, I wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't say yes either, if that makes sense.
    it does. But me stating the same thing would be just asking for trouble.

    Even as a villain, cwe is Thor.

    Even as a hero.....I'm not Thor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Talk about Mazer independent of your read on me or the card game, Foxtail
    I don't have an opinion of him outside of the potential tie in to me and kitten being in this card game. Can't recall anything he's said one way or the other, and I wouldn't expect to catch him based on tone by day 2 anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    I actually don't hate this line of thinking. There was nothing to indicate that Pablo was protected in the writeup or that any character interfered. Pablo got speared and now has a healed wound with a scar.

    What is the scar representing?
    At first I wondered if he was vanillaized, but he would likely know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I think Badger is not Gwildor, because it was known after Day 1 that he had immunity. There would be no reason for him to vanish at night if he knew he was immune.

    Red would have known not to target Badger because of his immunity. I think Red only has the odd night kill, and yellow may have an even night kill.
    I like pretty much all this logic.

    I don't remember a game of this size where Jarrod has not had some abilities that could create multi-kill nights. Particularly with purple out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    At first I wondered if he was vanillaized, but he would likely know that.
    But would he tell us? If he were town, what good would telling the other scum team that had happened?

    If he was a solo red, there's no way he'd tell anyone anything.

    Same if he was blue or the other purple.

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    Meh. This game actually lasted long enough that I have..... some kind of chance, although not much since kitten is already at 3 to my 1. I leave soon to go to the airport and head home too, and once on my plane I legit won't be able to try at all..... but the sardonic humor here is once home I actually could play.

    Bleh. 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    Grae feels somewhat townie in his interactions. He made me wary earlier, but I'm okay with saying town for now. Its a longer game most likely so that can shift.

    Psycho feels off. I don't necessarily know if he is scum, but I want to see him interact more before I make any commitment on that front.

    Claws is up in the air still

    I feel good about 3pups and Morrison currently. Morrison a bit less than 3pups.

    Mazer I want to feel good about, but I have a nagging feeling that I can't fully explain.

    I'm not looking or worrying about Badger until Day 4.
    I read morri as town. But he's on my "always verify" list. I think if Badger was scum, he would have pulled back just a little. Right now, I have a better than average town read on him.
    Pablo is on the list of people I'm leaning to good.

    Foxxi I want to lean town, based on what I see of her feints so far. And I'm ok with her coming back in, because I think her reaction yesterday was more likely to be town.

    I've already said I don't think kitten is red. and I'm not sure even with foxxi, he'd be willing to sacrifice himself as any color-unless they were on the same team. Which seems improbable, so kitten is firmly on the trust list.

    There's still a lot of folks I'd like to hear more from.

    CWE is out there. Val. I 'd like to get some better reads here. No read on Caito, but he usually escalates as the game goes on.

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    Although on the other hand, with kitten at 3 - me guessing likely only means day will end soon. And people are talking about things... so I shouldn't aid day ending, fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    But would he tell us? If he were town, what good would telling the other scum team that had happened?

    If he was a solo red, there's no way he'd tell anyone anything.

    Same if he was blue or the other purple.
    if he was a scum outside of red, agreed. Red very likely wouldn't vanillaize one of their own this early. losing a power on night 1 is a helluva thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    it's really not like you to avoid questions. that's one of the reasons i enjoy our sparring sessions.

    i've asked twice to explain how you differentiate between "waiting for someone to check in" and lowering one's own survival chances.


    and you've not even speculated on the other thing.




    This just leaves me feeling.....deflated.


    You're no daisy....you're no daisy at all.
    I ain't acknowledgin' no talk on semantics. The difference should be clear. Just because the two go hand in hand don't mean they ain't mutually exclusive.

    My problem is the tone and insinuation of Blind's post don't match up with the way your paintin'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    I still don't like psycho. Claws would totally toss kitten and I in this game, but his posts haven't pinged me really. Caito and mazer would also absolutely toss me and kitten together into this. I like grae.
    Yes. I absolutely would have. But I would have had a different person in the 4th spot. No disrespect to Morrison, because there's only 1 person who's consistently been able to read me by day 3. And I value myself enough that I would stilted the odds with 2 power players likely to miss.

    I really don't think you and VK are as unknown as you're thinking. Even when you didn't play last game, people were speculating that you were the MYSTERY ENTRANT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    Although on the other hand, with kitten at 3 - me guessing likely only means day will end soon. And people are talking about things... so I shouldn't aid day ending, fuck.
    Foxtail, I think you're prolly innocent based on today and would rather you try to survive where you can than worry about the discussion at this point.

    I think Void is prolly innocent, too, but I don't wanna see either o' ya accept the cold hand of fate.

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    Mazer's Feelin' manipulative as all get out and it's makin' me mighty antsy, folks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Yes. I absolutely would have. But I would have had a different person in the 4th spot. No disrespect to Morrison, because there's only 1 person who's consistently been able to read me by day 3. And I value myself enough that I would stilted the odds with 2 power players likely to miss.

    I really don't think you and VK are as unknown as you're thinking. Even when you didn't play last game, people were speculating that you were the MYSTERY ENTRANT.
    We need to do a game where everyone makes an alt and plays the game on the alt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    Although on the other hand, with kitten at 3 - me guessing likely only means day will end soon. And people are talking about things... so I shouldn't aid day ending, fuck.
    You should really just try to win, if you wanna stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Mazer's Feelin' manipulative as all get out and it's makin' me mighty antsy, folks
    I don't get that at all. What is he manipulating exactly here?

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    @Jarrod1983

    Just in case you missed it, Foxxi guessed 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Foxtail, I think you're prolly innocent based on today and would rather you try to survive where you can than worry about the discussion at this point.

    I think Void is prolly innocent, too, but I don't wanna see either o' ya accept the cold hand of fate.
    I appreciate the vote of confidence, but your gimmick posting is making me so distrusting xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I ain't acknowledgin' no talk on semantics. The difference should be clear. Just because the two go hand in hand don't mean they ain't mutually exclusive.

    My problem is the tone and insinuation of Blind's post don't match up with the way your paintin'em.
    You called out 1 post where I said I didn't like it. You were the one who said that it wasn't about survival. You have no defense to your defense of Blind Ninja. Letting 4 people play instead of 3 lowers your odds.

    Even today VK is a little more at risk because Foxxi is here.

    It's not semantics if I'm factually correct, and your assertion is based on me thinking it was weird that Blind Ninja made a comment that people should do something that lowered their survival chances. And I'm just getting brush-offs.

    You don't even acknowledge that it would be a common tactic to put people in, and then try and at least sow some confusion. But you did do the thing where you've committed to an attack based on a soft press of someone else.

    I mean , damn, I would have expected you to at least theorize on the participants. Including who was off.


    I'm not sure where to go, because this is off where I normally see you play scum, other than the potential defense. But if BN were to be dirty, I would ride hard. I would take my horse to the Old Town Road even.


    You 100% sure you weren't offended by gimmick crack, and decided to prove me wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidKitten View Post
    We need to do a game where everyone makes an alt and plays the game on the alt.
    like pre-set accounts? And just change the password when your done or need to reset. I like the sound of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommi_Li View Post
    like pre-set accounts? And just change the password when your done or need to reset. I like the sound of that.
    Pre-set accounts work. That's actually how MU does it for their anonymous games so they can be used repeatedly. Otherwise, it could just be everyone makes an alt and forces mth to approve them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I think Badger is not Gwildor, because it was known after Day 1 that he had immunity. There would be no reason for him to vanish at night if he knew he was immune.

    Red would have known not to target Badger because of his immunity. I think Red only has the odd night kill, and yellow may have an even night kill.
    90% sure he isn't gwildor

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxxiMcLeod View Post
    Meh. This game actually lasted long enough that I have..... some kind of chance, although not much since kitten is already at 3 to my 1. I leave soon to go to the airport and head home too, and once on my plane I legit won't be able to try at all..... but the sardonic humor here is once home I actually could play.

    Bleh. 7
    Lower than 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Lower than 7.
    5

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    Higher than 5.

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    It was 6.

    Morrison- 4
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    FoxxiMcLeod- 2

    Morrison is safe.
    Mazer is safe.

    Start again.

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    You have to wait. Gosh. You can't even follow instructions

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