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    Oh, I agree that Baker will quite likely be able to last for a few more years as he's a capable QB. But as to whether he will be able to command starting QB salary for many more years is another question entirely. I would guess that his next stop will be Seattle, where he will show just enough to say he's not the reason they go 8-9 next year.

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    Now that I think about it, the stuff with Murray in Arizona opens a door for a soft hedge in Mayfield if they wanted to go down that road.

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    With the draft less than two weeks away now we all surely know who we want, ya?

    Gonna take more than a couple draft picks to make chicken salad out of the chicken shit here. That said, gun to my head I'll take..

    #3) CB - Ahmad Gardner
    #13) ED - Jermaine Johnson

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    I honestly don't know where I want the Titans to focus first. Defensive backfield or offensive line. Honestly either direction is fine so long as we don't strike out.

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    Could be a solid cb to be had at that spot - Andrew Booth, Trent McDuffie, Kaiir Elam, or a scheme versatile all around db like Dax Hill.

    That's an in between spot for oline, may prefer to trade down a hair. But there could be a couple guys you could get there that could help right away if you just wanna grab em and not worry about 'reaching' - Kenyon Green or Zion Johnson.

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    I'd be FINE with them trading down since they don't have the best luck in the 1st round anyway and more picks might mean better odds.

    And now that I really think about it I want a solid oline guy first. Someone who can just come in and start week 1.

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    DRAFT DAY BITCHES!!!

    Is no one else pumped?

    We have a first rounder for the first time in 3 years and only the second time in 5. And its the first time we've had 2 1sts since George W's first term.. yikes.

    So ya, I'm ready..

    may we please not fucking blow this..

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    Lol @ trotting out Raiders players and even Ice Cube to try and not get Goodell booed off the stage..

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    Defensive talent is king this year. And the QB class sucks, or at least they aren't getting top grades like they usually do. There seems to be no superstar players this year getting drafted, except Aiden Hutchinson is an all-Michigan man here. The only time the Lions are relevant is draft time.

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    Pretty stoked about Stingley.. assuming of course the lisfranc is considered a low grade version.

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    What a weird trade by the Titans. Trading a decent WR for an unknown rookie.

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    well clearly the titans had no intentions of giving him the deal he was looking for, so might as well get a mid-first pick out of it. sending him off at the trade deadline once the season starts brings it's own potential issues, and after that they'd see him walk away for nothing in return

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    WR contracts are getting so high that it's a matter of whether you want to devote $25 million/year to him, and if not, when do you maximize your return on him?

    That said, I would be curious to see positional salaries as a percentage of the salary cap. We see the dollar numbers... QB contracts obviously go up and up, now WRs seem to be doing it too. But are they going up faster than the salary cap is going up? And if so, which positions are going down proportionally? This kind of analysis probably exists somewhere but I haven't seen it.

    Seemingly, WR contracts have taken a jump forward, and we'll see if paying them $25 million/year is a good strategy.

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    Great point by the panel about this run on rookie receivers and the potential going forward: if you’re paying your QB ~$40M, you really can’t afford a WR1 making $20M+. These topend kids coming out of college are pro-ready and can produce at a comparable level at a fraction of the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    well clearly the titans had no intentions of giving him the deal he was looking for, so might as well get a mid-first pick out of it. sending him off at the trade deadline once the season starts brings it's own potential issues, and after that they'd see him walk away for nothing in return
    Didn't know he was on his way out. Must've had a deal prior to the trade to sign a new contract or extension.

    Didn't even think about Pittsburgh picking the QB from Pittsurgh. A couple teams are picking local talent in this draft.

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    Tennessee definitely saw the writing on the wall in relation to paying AJB and decided to take a kid with a similar skill set and pay that rookie a fraction of the price. It’s the economics of the position that teams are going to have to decipher now due to the overflow of skilled wideouts coming into the league.

    AJB’s agent is the agent of Metcalf, Deebo, and the recently traded and about to get paid Hollywood Brown. Dandy, the agent, has made good on AJB, so he’s got work to do on the other guys now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    What a weird trade by the Titans. Trading a decent WR for an unknown rookie.
    I'm fucking PISSED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I'm fucking PISSED.
    Don't know of course how much you've seen of Burks, but I think anyone who's watched and enjoyed AJ Brown's play would easily be geared to like what they see from Treylon. The kid is put together at 6'2 225 lbs and can get physical when its time to do so. He's also a pretty slick route runner for a guy his size. And one of his biggest attributes is his run after catch that puts him in kind of a Deebo territory. You can line him up wherever and branch a series or more off of looking to get him the ball.

    But I'm also completely good with getting Brown out of the division. So, ya..

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    Hollywood Brown and DeAndre Hopkins should be a good duo in Arizona, coupled with Ertz at tight end. I feel like people are currently down on the Cards since they still haven't gotten out of the wild card round with Murray and seem to fizzle at the end of seasons, but they could pull it together and contend for a deep playoff run.

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    Don't imagine @Rancid_Planet will be happy to hear that AJB said the offer was a lowball offer from the Titans and that he'd stay for $22 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Don't know of course how much you've seen of Burks, but I think anyone who's watched and enjoyed AJ Brown's play would easily be geared to like what they see from Treylon. The kid is put together at 6'2 225 lbs and can get physical when its time to do so. He's also a pretty slick route runner for a guy his size. And one of his biggest attributes is his run after catch that puts him in kind of a Deebo territory. You can line him up wherever and branch a series or more off of looking to get him the ball.

    But I'm also completely good with getting Brown out of the division. So, ya..
    I've been reading Burks route running isn't great and his combine was subpar. Something like no receiver with those metrics was ever considered successful in the NFL whatever that means. As an Eagles fan, I would've taken Burks at 18 if this trade didn't happen. I am super excited AJ Brown is an eagle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Don't imagine @Rancid_Planet will be happy to hear that AJB said the offer was a lowball offer from the Titans and that he'd stay for $22 million.
    Ohhhh you should HEAR the local sports talk right now in Nashville. Holy shit. I just hate that we didn't seem to take the franchise option as a serious possibility but at this point its done and the only wr we've hit on in the draft since Clinton was president just walked out the door.

    Fuck.

    Aaaaanyway I actually LOVE our draft so far. Burks isn't faster than anybody who he will be covered by BUT he's the kind of receiver that takes ball. Doesn't catch it. TAKES it. And I like that.

    McCreary can and probably will start week one because he can line up outside or in the slot and cover anybody and our defensive backfield sucks right now.

    All I know about Petit-Frer is that they say he can challenge for the rt spot right off the bat. Well good because the o-line sucks.

    Malik Willis? Yes please. This is the exact kind of qb that Vrable actually wants to run the offense and if Ryan struggles this season expect Willis to play.

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    Regarding the Patriots draft, they reached more than any other team in terms of where they drafted guys versus where they were expected to go. I'm not upset about this and I don't scout college players so I wouldn't assume to know whether the guys they selected will be good or not. The Pats had a good draft last year which people seem to forget when they talk about how Belichick has lost his ways as a GM.

    My takeaway is that because of the bad value perception, this draft class will be very interesting to track. If these guys stink and most of them are busts, the criticisms of Belichick's selections will be justified and he will be further criticized and that will be fair. If it ends up being a good draft class then it will somewhat prove that draft boards don't mean much and he was right to get the guys he wanted regardless of where he selected them.

    Every team's draft gets judged based on how good the players end up being, but this Patriots draft class more so than usual will reflect a lot on Belichick and his methods.

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    So Brady has a plan for life after (playing) football after all, heading to fox as their shiny new former franchise qb turned tv analyst. And reportedly to the tune of 10 yrs and $375M. And yes, that final dollar amount is more than he earned throughout his paying career (not counting endorsements, of course).

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    Legend. In his rookie year he’s going to make twice what Romo is making

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    He's gonna make more than Romo and Aikman combined..

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    It's a lot of money. Brady has a brilliant football mind in terms of understanding the game, but his off-the-cuff speaking abilities and personality aren't all that great (compared to say Romo), so I predict he will get a fair amount of flack when he first starts. Greg Olsen in his 3rd or 4th year as color commentator will probably be better than Brady in his first year, so I can already hear the people saying Olsen should be in the top spot. But in the long run I can see why Brady is the guy you want in the big chair. And I don't expect Brady will half-ass it so I think he'll be good in time but the first year might be shaky as he hones his communication skills.

    His absurd salary here likely includes more than just commentating. They are getting Brady and his brand and social media presence to fully promote the Fox NFL product, but on top of that I bet Brady will do various extra stuff (short videos, special segments, etc). Maybe Fox will get the rights to whatever documentary series Brady does next. I'm just guessing here, but I bet Brady fully flexed his media prowess to get this deal, and it will be more all encompassing than what Romo or Aikman provide to their networks.

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    I don't understand the obsession with NFL announcers. I have never watched a game because of the announcers or turned off a game because of the announcers. Half the time I just mute them anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I don't understand the obsession with NFL announcers. I have never watched a game because of the announcers or turned off a game because of the announcers. Half the time I just mute them anyway.
    I disagree. This is a product I consume and the announcers affect my enjoyment of the product. While I would never watch or not watch a Patriots game because of announcers, and I would never watch or not watch a marquee out-of-market game because of announcers (e.g. a playoff game or a big MNF/SNF matchup), the announcers matter to some extent. I think the MNF booth has been really bad these last few years and it was very noticeable. A good booth (e.g. Buck and Aikman) will somewhat increase how long I will tune into a mediocre game I'm not otherwise interested in. When you apply this concept to millions of viewers, it would theoretically affect viewership numbers.

    Maybe these companies are paying too much for their announces, but given that they're investing billions per year to broadcast NFL games, spending $30-40 million on announcers is a relatively small price to improve the quality of their product and potentially help make TNF, SNF or MNF something that NFL fans tune into regularly regardless of the teams playing. For example people really like the TNT studio show (with Barkley and Shaq) and the studio show itself is a draw which gets a lot of social media engagement, which then helps NBA ratings.

    I'm also interested in these moves from a business/strategy perspective, e.g. I find it interesting how Amazon pulled Al Michaels for the TNF show and how ESPN took Buck/Aikman from Fox and how Fox is giving Brady a giant contract. As a fan of the league, I'm interested in this stuff in a similar way that I'm interested in free agency.

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    To each their own. The announcers don't affect my enjoyment at all. I do enjoy the business side as well even though it doesn't matter to me.

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    My formative football fan ship years, like many in this country, had me listening to Howard Cosel on Monday Nights. Then John Madden and Pat Summeral started explaining what was happening on Sunday afternoons and my enjoyment skyrocketed. Madden also had the chalkboard for the instant replay review highlights, where he'd often make it clear who made the great block that allowed the running back a free lane, or how he'd show how a receiver juked the defender before turning and getting open enough to make a catch. There's no question that Madden's knowledge of the game, and the way he explained everything, made fans enjoy the experience that much more.

    I am old enough to remember the experiment when one of the networks tried having no announcers - just let the referee explain the penalty or situation. That was horrible.

    I am a huge fan of Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, but a big part of that is the homework they've done ahead of time, interviewing players and coaches during the practise week. They've managed to help sprinkle in some of the stories which can make a lopsided game a more enjoyable experience.

    Since I don't play fantasy football, I don't go out of my way to watch any games outside my Patriots, but even then, there are many Pats games where I only listen to them on the radio as I am often still out doing my extreme couponing. So while I can't say that the announcers make a difference in whether I watch, they do make a difference on how much I enjoy the game.

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    Al and Chris are an amazing combo who, I think, will be talked about in 50 years as an iconic duo in NFL broadcast history.

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    We're in kind of a dead zone right now where the top stories are QBs sitting out of voluntary workouts like clockwork, but with the Joc Pederson/Tommy Pham drama happening in the MLB, here's a fun NFL question: what's the most dramatic event you have ever witnessed in your fantasy football playing experience?

    For me, I was in a work league ~10 years ago where I was friends with like 7-8 of the members and the commissioner invited a couple newer employees to join the league so we would be at 12 players.

    We're like halfway thru the season and those two new people are playing each other. We all generally talk trash to each other, but it's always lighthearted and never crosses boundaries. The one newer employee initiates against his opponent in the group chat, saying something light hearted like "whoops, looks like you should've played [bench player with high pts] instead of [starter with low pts]!" and the other new employee replies by saying that he is going to bring his gun to work and shoot the guy. Literally that very week he was fired for anger issues in the office and none of us ever heard from him again.

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    I 100 percent have Joc's back.

    We were those motherfuckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    We're in kind of a dead zone right now where the top stories are QBs sitting out of voluntary workouts like clockwork, but with the Joc Pederson/Tommy Pham drama happening in the MLB, here's a fun NFL question: what's the most dramatic event you have ever witnessed in your fantasy football playing experience?

    For me, I was in a work league ~10 years ago where I was friends with like 7-8 of the members and the commissioner invited a couple newer employees to join the league so we would be at 12 players.

    We're like halfway thru the season and those two new people are playing each other. We all generally talk trash to each other, but it's always lighthearted and never crosses boundaries. The one newer employee initiates against his opponent in the group chat, saying something light hearted like "whoops, looks like you should've played [bench player with high pts] instead of [starter with low pts]!" and the other new employee replies by saying that he is going to bring his gun to work and shoot the guy. Literally that very week he was fired for anger issues in the office and none of us ever heard from him again.
    10-12 years ago we had a family league amongst the cousins. I think there was a total of 12, maybe 14 of us. One of my cousins had a meltdown after a trade he didn’t think was fair was allowed to stand. Over the top texts in the group text thread we had going, spamming emails through the ESPN fantasy site, and it went downhill from there. Dude became unhinged in the span of like three days. We had to boot him out of the league.

    He uninvited the rest of us - except for his brother - from his wedding the following spring. Hasn’t talked to any of us since then as far as I know.

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    I am devastated.

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    You're gonna miss FitzMagic?

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    This should be in the celebrity death thread.


    The day Fitzmagic died.

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    Fitztragic, @Mazer. Reportedly making $82.1 million over his career, do people think Fitzmagic will make more in broadcasting career?

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    There's no doubt that Fitzmagic is a really smart, and hardworking guy. If he sets his mind to broadcasting, the sky's the limit.

    I was just catching up on the latest Deshaun Watson stuff. Am I the only one wondering if he even steps foot on the field this year? The Browns may have set their franchise behind the 8 ball for years to come.

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    I get happier and happier about that trade by the goddamn hour at this point..

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    Is the Brown's relationship with Baker completed severed?

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    Nothing a big pile of money can't solve…

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    Which they don’t want to give him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Which they don’t want to give him
    Why do you think they don't want to give him it? They have been very quiet on their end about Baker. They are not showing any animosity towards him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Why do you think they don't want to give him it? They have been very quiet on their end about Baker. They are not showing any animosity towards him.
    I won't speak for @Caito, but they would've had discussions about giving him an extension if they wanted to. Instead, they did everything they could to get Watson. Animosity comes in different forms. And you can't exactly talk ill of a player you're trying to trade.

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    I am not talking about a long-term contract. I agree that option is dead. I am talking about a "bonus" to play one season and let him become a free agent after the season. Win-win.

    Would Baker rather make 40M this year on the Browns and then be able to walk or play for 20M in Carolina?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Why do you think they don't want to give him it? They have been very quiet on their end about Baker. They are not showing any animosity towards him.
    I thought they told him to stay away from mandatory minicamp a they don't want any more distractions. They can't unload his salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I am not talking about a long-term contract. I agree that option is dead. I am talking about a "bonus" to play one season and let him become a free agent after the season. Win-win.

    Would Baker rather make 40M this year on the Browns and then be able to walk or play for 20M in Carolina?
    What makes you think they want to pay him that much for a year?

    Seems like both parties have cut the cord and they're just trying to find a way to be done with the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Why do you think they don't want to give him it? They have been very quiet on their end about Baker. They are not showing any animosity towards him.


    If by no animosity, you mean taking a guy who helped lead your loser franchise to their first playoff appearance and win in IDK how long, has shown you loyalty thru ought his entire tenure so far and even gutted out the majority of the year with an injury that should’ve kept him out, to do his best to put the team in his back, then made him watch as you traded the fucking farm for a guy who (albeit, more talented) has almost TWO DOZEN civil charges of sexual misconduct against him and gave him a guaranteed 230 MILLION and tossed you aside as if you were yesterdays newspaper…… then yeah, you’re right. No animosity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I thought they told him to stay away from mandatory minicamp a they don't want any more distractions. They can't unload his salary.
    They let him stay away and are not punishing him for it because yes, they don't want the distractions. They are within their rights to force him to attend and fine him if he didn't. But they have also kept him on the roster. If they were truly done with him, they could have just cut him already. They are going to end up eating the money no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    If by no animosity, you mean taking a guy who helped lead your loser franchise to their first playoff appearance and win in IDK how long, has shown you loyalty thru ought his entire tenure so far and even gutted out the majority of the year with an injury that should’ve kept him out, to do his best to put the team in his back, then made him watch as you traded the fucking farm for a guy who (albeit, more talented) has almost TWO DOZEN civil charges of sexual misconduct against him and gave him a guaranteed 230 MILLION and tossed you aside as if you were yesterdays newspaper…… then yeah, you’re right. No animosity.

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    They would have made the playoffs if he didn't "gut out the majority of the season". They were a better team with a healthy Keenam over a broken Baker.

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    I disagree with that, but I understand your reasoning.


    EDIT Also, if that’s the case, that’s on the coach for not stepping in and making the change.

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    Or maybe the GM/owner made the call? I would love to know how that decision was made and by whom. And did they ever reconsider it based on his performances. It made no sense to keep throwing him out there like they did.

    But I am with you that I think a healthy Baker is underrated at this point. I don't know why the Panthers aren't grabbing him before it is too late.

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    I think the Browns are hoping to at least get something in return for him. Reportedly, they wanted the Panthers to accept some of his salary but the Panthers understand that the Browns will inevitably have to cut Baker. If the Browns get a 5th round pick, it's better than getting nothing. The Browns also understand that it is likely that some other team may lose their starting QB due to injury during training camp, so there probably will still be a market.

    I saw that the Panthers wanted to swap Sam Darnold for Baker, but I don't think even the Browns are dumb enough to take Darnold.

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    Agree. Feels like the Panthers are trying to be too cute. I would tell the Browns: You can have money (and a 5th) or you can have a 2nd (but you pay him). Your choice and let's get this moving. Because you are right, the longer this goes the more likely that someone else needs him and makes a better offer. The Browns don't really have to make a move until the final cuts on pre-season. Especially if they don't antagonize Baker (anymore than they have already) along the way.

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    I think it’s more likely that the Browns don’t wanna trade Baker because they know DeShaun isn’t playing a full season. And that possibility has certainly gone up recently, as well as the amount of games he’ll probably miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I think it’s more likely that the Browns don’t wanna trade Baker because they know DeShaun isn’t playing a full season. And that possibility has certainly gone up recently, as well as the amount of games he’ll probably miss.
    Carbon Copy from the Chat: That's what Brissett is there for.

    Unless there's something we're missing, this feels like a situation that doesn't have a happy ending where Cleveland and Mayfield feel its in their collective interest to work together on the same team this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Unless there's something we're missing, this feels like a situation that doesn't have a happy ending where Cleveland and Mayfield feel its in their collective interest to work together on the same team this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Unless there's something we're missing, this feels like a situation that doesn't have a happy ending where Cleveland and Mayfield feel its in their collective interest to work together on the same team this season.

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    Don't think that matters to Baker. He seems like a vindictive guy that will look for any chip to place on his shoulder and if you burn him, you're dead to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Don't think that matters to Baker. He seems like a vindictive guy that will look for any chip to place on his shoulder and if you burn him, you're dead to him.

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    I get happier and happier about that trade by the goddamn hour at this point..
    Facts.

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    And so 2 more civil suits appear to be in the price of being filled against Watson, bringing the total now to 26..

    And I'll continue to say how effin glad I am that he's someone else's problem now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    They don't want to pay any of his salary as part of a trade, so I don't think it's likely they'll want to increase his pay to some absurd amount to just play one season either.

    As BGMaverick alluded to above, signing Brissett appears to be a clear sign that they already expected Watson to be suspended. I don't think you sign Brissett in conjunction with Watson and then pay a substantial amt of money to Baker for just one season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    They don't want to pay any of his salary as part of a trade, so I don't think it's likely they'll want to increase his pay to some absurd amount to just play one season either.

    As BGMaverick alluded to above, signing Brissett appears to be a clear sign that they already expected Watson to be suspended. I don't think you sign Brissett in conjunction with Watson and then pay a substantial amt of money to Baker for just one season.
    Unless you're terrible at managing money.

    This is a semi-new regime, I believe, but it's still the Browns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
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    This. May the Browns forever go 4-13 (a 17 game schedule will forever feel weird).

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