Originally Posted by
Jarrod1983
Sami Zayn was choosen by kdestiny and he backed up his choice, smartly citing his underdog work in NXT and his current heel contributions on the main roster. Use of video by kd and bringing up Zayn's Twitter were all strong opening points.
Simon choose Keith Lee. Simon really didn't have much to latch on to with Lee's current standing but brought up how if WWE gave him the killer instinct he could be thrust into the championship picture.
He cited Big Show's Showster character but not sure if it translated as well as it could have. Video would have been great to have there. Comparing Lee to Show imitating other superstars might not be the best comparison, considering that gimmick led to Showkishi, a short lived team with Rikishi, a loss to Shane at Judgement Day courtesy of a cinder block and outside interference. Show was then soon sent to OVW until his return at Rumble 01. I get that Simon was stressing the end of the match where Show goes off on Angle and gets the win but the goof doing the imitation gimmick doesn't always have legs to go the distance.
Battling back, kdestiny smartly cites Lee's current TV absence, his change of song and attire and how he has seemingly went the way of Andrade, Ricochet and Black before Lee. Also, kd mentioned how bringing up Big Show/Joe/Bryan/Cena was good but it wasn't Lee basking in glory. Lee hasn't proven he can be anymore than the athletic babyface with sub-par microphone skills. Then kd excellently weaved in Sami in his argument, bringing it back to his original argument that Sami is multifaceted and has excelled at being a babyface or heel. Also, more video of Sami killing a promo to strongly close his 2nd post.
Simon's 2nd post concentrated first on if Lee came back he could hit the ground running with a killer instinct. Taking out fun loving R-Truth. Maybe citing other fun loving characters like New Day would have been better here. Having Lee show up on a PPV, with a mixed roster, and destroying all 3 members at once might be a better springboard moment than a R-Truth beat down.
Next he called Sami a B+ player and said his current Reel Big Fish look doesn't scream star power like Lee. Simon ends with his strongest point yet that Lee against Reigns and Lesnar would put people on the edge of their seats while Sami against those same people would not.
I think kdestiny's 3rd post was very strong again. He cites that beating up the 24/7 Champion might not be the best launch pad, which I'd have to agree with. "All we have seen is this cool guy who wants everyone to "Bask in his Glory". That won't get him that far. Who is he really? What's his identity?" woven together with "Sami Zayn has been on another level as a heel since returning. He has added a new layer to the typical "chicken-shit heel" by also being a very smart one (handcuffs anyone?)." was great comparison of characters.
Concerning Simon's best point on the big fight feel kd says "The "big fight feel" argument is interesting. Sami debuted on the main roster against John Cena and had a hell of a showing. Look at his Takeover history vs. Neville, KO, Nakamura, Breeze... You can think that maybe he is just doing something fun, but obviously Vince and Co. are invested in him by giving him the ability to cut the promos that he has. I could see it leading to a huge face turn and then we are off to the races. He could go down a similar path to someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin." and I would have to agree with every bit of that. Sami has knocked it out of the park with in ring work and his promo work because people have confidence in him backstage. When the time comes Sami can once again play the best underdog there is. Compared to the complete repackage then disappearance of Lee, kd really hammers home why Sami is the better choice.
Simon's 3rd post opens with a strong statement. "You've repeatedly talked about where Keith Lee is at the moment, as if this is proof that he can't be a top guy...but history says that isn't true. WWE has misused plenty of talent, and Keith Lee is far from the first potential superstar to get ignored in favour of the same group of established names, often ones that are ten years or more past their prime. You're absolutely right that the WWE don't seem to be bothered with him, but that's what we're here to do - this whole debate is about saying "here's a guy that has yet to be a champion, but who absolutely could be one"." I think he could have thrown a example of a previous misused talent in there but his statement holds true. Lee is down but not out.
After ignoring the Logan Paul argument in his 2nd post, Simon calls him a "gobshite" which I'd agree with.
Simon points out that everything Sami does can be done without the championship and goes home with the strong argument of "repackage Keith Lee with FOCUS and have him tear through the division, you have a believable, charismatic top tier guy that can put on great matches with anyone you care to match him with, freshening up a stale main event scene in the process." which I feel was a stronger final paragraph than kdestiny's.
This was a fun back and forth. I can see both points that each competitor is making. A close debate to be sure. I think that kdestiny earns my vote though. His weaving his argument why, while cutting off his Simon's choice and use of video was превосходно.
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