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    2021 NFL Thread

    Now that the 2020 season has ended with Brady and the Bucs winning, a lot of us are ready to begin hoping for the next season. But there are a lot of questions, for most teams.


    As Brady was the last QB to have back-to-back SuperBowl victories, is it fair to ask if Brady and the Bucs can repeat?

    Will Watson be the QB for the Texans?

    Will Dak get paid?

    How will the Jets manage to be the Jets, and mess up their draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Now that the 2020 season has ended with Brady and the Bucs winning, a lot of us are ready to begin hoping for the next season. But there are a lot of questions, for most teams.


    As Brady was the last QB to have back-to-back SuperBowl victories, is it fair to ask if Brady and the Bucs can repeat?

    Will Watson be the QB for the Texans?

    Will Dak get paid?

    How will the Jets manage to be the Jets, and mess up their draft?
    Is it fair? Sure. Is it likely? I'm not counting on it.

    No.

    For one year, yes.

    By being the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    As Brady was the last QB to have back-to-back SuperBowl victories, is it fair to ask if Brady and the Bucs can repeat?

    Will Watson be the QB for the Texans?

    Will Dak get paid?

    How will the Jets manage to be the Jets, and mess up their draft?
    Be a bit unusual to not ask.

    No.

    Yes.

    Hoping they give a portion of it up for Watson.

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    Yeah
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    I don't think they will

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    The Bucs definitely have a chance to repeat but they have some major free agents (Barrett, David, Suh, Godwin, Gronk, AB). I知 especially interested to see what they do with those first 2 names because their defensive prowess depends on them. But they should have a relatively good time in free agency because they池e now a destination team. Come play with the GOAT in warm weather and no income tax. I don稚 think they値l repeat just because repeating is damn near impossible but they値l be in the playoffs again and they値l have a shot. Their division should be weaker with Brees retiring and both the Saints and Falcons being in cap trouble, so I peg them as likely NFC South champs.

    Watson will be traded. The Texans will fight it but he seems like he really might sit out if not dealt, so they値l take a hefty ransom to move him.

    Idk about Dak. He値l probably get tagged again right? Then idk, his injury was so unfortunate. The cowboys still want him but the negotiation will be challenging. He might play on the tag again.

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    Gronk will come back and AB has nowhere to go with a trial still looming. I think Godwin goes and gets his big contract though.

    Dak plays on the franchise tag again because Jerry has NO IDEA what else he can do. He doesn't want to pay him and doesn't want to let him go.

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    I did just see a report saying the cowboys want to sign him before the franchise tag period even opens... so maybe they do get it done early.

    If I’m Dak I’m definitely considering accepting a lower offer than he would have before the injury.

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    Watson will end up at Jets
    Dak will get paid but at Texans
    Jets will probably draft another QB still

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    I think if the Jets don't trade for an established QB, they will run it back with Darnold for one more year. See if a new scheme can elevate him. They could draft Sewell or a WR by trading down out of the 2nd pick.

    Dak will stay with Cowboys.

    Buccs have a shot to repeat. Remember last year when Chris Jones said he'd take less for a chance to repeat, and he got a monster contract a month later? Maybe we shouldn't take what people say post Super Bowl as gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Watson will end up at Jets
    Dak will get paid but at Texans
    Jets will probably draft another QB still
    Not really sure why Houston would want to acquire Dak. They're probably looking to recoup assets for the future to rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post

    As Brady was the last QB to have back-to-back SuperBowl victories, is it fair to ask if Brady and the Bucs can repeat?

    Will Watson be the QB for the Texans?

    Will Dak get paid?

    How will the Jets manage to be the Jets, and mess up their draft?

    Probably not

    Fuck no

    I actually think Jerry may throw the bag at him.

    J-E-T-E Jets

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Not really sure why Houston would want to acquire Dak. They're probably looking to recoup assets for the future to rebuild.
    They need a QB after they trade Watson going from my theory.

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    I’ll admit finding it hard to dislike this guy now he’s left New England. But then I switch on and remember he’s still a cheating smug prick Good he’s enjoying himself though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    They need a QB after they trade Watson going from my theory.
    I find it highly unlikely that Dallas let's Dak go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    They need a QB after they trade Watson going from my theory.
    Right but if Watson is gone, they're rebuilding. This isn't a Rams situation where they're all in. They're probably the opposite.

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    Seen stranger things happen haha. Like all at all this with Wilson blowing up?

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    I can't see Russ moving either. Not yet.

    They will just try and do that Houston didn't.

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    This is it

    Watson to Jets
    Dak to Texans
    Wilson to Cowboys
    Seattle draft Zach Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I can't see Russ moving either. Not yet.

    They will just try and do that Houston didn't.
    Nah I know. Think tone more year out of him but depending on that goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Right but if Watson is gone, they're rebuilding. This isn't a Rams situation where they're all in. They're probably the opposite.
    Well let’s hopefully think they’ve learnt the lesson of always going in.

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    I loved all of the clips/pics coming out of the Tampa boat parade yesterday. Awesome stuff, especially the trophy toss and drunk Brady. Very happy for him and for all the other Bucs players. It's a hard group not to root for.

    What a photo:


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    Whoda thunk..


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    is it crazy for Dallas to trade up for a QB and use the Dak money on defensive free agents? The QB on a rookie contract with a win ready team is the biggest weapon in football.

    or you could just trust your drafting process on finding defensive players while paying Dak,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    is it crazy for Dallas to trade up for a QB and use the Dak money on defensive free agents? The QB on a rookie contract with a win ready team is the biggest weapon in football.

    or you could just trust your drafting process on finding defensive players while paying Dak,.
    While logical, that generally goes against type for Jerruh. If he builds a win now roster, he's going to want a shiny toy leading it. They just screwed up* by not taking care of it when the window was there and they'll have to pay for it.

    *They also screwed up by overpaying for Zeke.

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    What would be crazier, ALL of these QBs play on new teams or ALL of these QBs stay on their current team?

    Deshaun Watson
    Dak Prescott
    Kirk Cousins
    Jimmy G
    Derek Carr
    Tua

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    These are my wild ass guesses for the 2021 QB carousel..

    Miami - Deshaun Watson
    Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence
    San Francisco - Carson Wentz
    Indianapolis - Jimmy Garoppolo
    New York Jets - Justin Fields
    Houston - Zach Wilson
    Carolina - Teddy Bridgewater->Trey Lance
    Denver - Cam Newton/Drew Lock
    New England - Mac Jones
    Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger->Sam Darnold
    Washington - Tua Tagovailoa
    Chicago - Kyle Trask

    Teddy opens the season for Carolina while they try and give Lance a redshirt year.
    Big Ben takes a farewell tour season while Darnold gets to catch his breath and learn from a sound organization for a season.
    Newton and Lock have a QB competition with the implication that Newton has a bit of an advantage out of the gate.

    I'll no doubt be wrong about every single one but my goodness the options are through the roof. This could be run back 100% differently with all the seeming reasons in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    These are my wild ass guesses for the 2021 QB carousel..

    Miami - Deshaun Watson
    Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence
    San Francisco - Carson Wentz
    Indianapolis - Jimmy Garoppolo
    New York Jets - Justin Fields
    Houston - Zach Wilson
    Carolina - Teddy Bridgewater->Trey Lance
    Denver - Cam Newton/Drew Lock
    New England - Mac Jones
    Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger->Sam Darnold
    Washington - Tua Tagovailoa
    Chicago - Kyle Trask

    Teddy opens the season for Carolina while they try and give Lance a redshirt year.
    Big Ben takes a farewell tour season while Darnold gets to catch his breath and learn from a sound organization for a season.
    Newton and Lock have a QB competition with the implication that Newton has a bit of an advantage out of the gate.

    I'll no doubt be wrong about every single one but my goodness the options are through the roof. This could be run back 100% differently with all the seeming reasons in the world.
    It's a nice thought, but Mac Jones won't be around for the Pats. He has the accuracy and decision-making skills to be a winner in the NFL.

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    Not sure what your first sentence has to do with the second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    These are my wild ass guesses for the 2021 QB carousel..

    Miami - Deshaun Watson
    Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence
    San Francisco - Carson Wentz
    Indianapolis - Jimmy Garoppolo
    New York Jets - Justin Fields
    Houston - Zach Wilson
    Carolina - Teddy Bridgewater->Trey Lance
    Denver - Cam Newton/Drew Lock
    New England - Mac Jones
    Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger->Sam Darnold
    Washington - Tua Tagovailoa
    Chicago - Kyle Trask

    Teddy opens the season for Carolina while they try and give Lance a redshirt year.
    Big Ben takes a farewell tour season while Darnold gets to catch his breath and learn from a sound organization for a season.
    Newton and Lock have a QB competition with the implication that Newton has a bit of an advantage out of the gate.

    I'll no doubt be wrong about every single one but my goodness the options are through the roof. This could be run back 100% differently with all the seeming reasons in the world.
    The more variety, the more interesting the season will be. If there was one clear leader, the result of the season would be 90% predictable, and then what interest would it be to watch the matches?

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    Think he left a couple words out that while wouldn’t link the two sentences together, would at the very lleast way show why they are not related.



    EDIT This was in response to Percussion about 3puppies

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    I think Trask is not going to be a first round pick. Last year I saw a bunch of mock drafts that had Eason and James Morgan as late first rounders, but they were drafted in the third round. I feel like every year there is a guy who is mocked near the bottom of round one only to plummet in the real draft.

    If San Francisco gets a new QB, Jimmy G will be going back to New England.

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    Eason is why I’m not too concerned with the Colts getting a long term QB. I hope he pans out to be something good but probably needs another season to develop. If they can get a short term rental for a year or two I’d be happy. Unless they can get Watson - which they have 0.001% chance of pulling off - I think Eason is their future.

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    Was expected, but still a surprise. Hopefully he goes to a contender. Maybe Pittsburgh with his brother?

    Just watched his video. He is a really good dude. Really don't want him going to Green Bay
    Last edited by TimeSplitter; February 12th, 2021 at 11:21 AM.

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    Zero surprise here, was just a matter of when this offseason. Wish we'd gotten something for him at the deadline this last season, but at this point this (dis)organization has built up so much bad will they had no choice but to do the decent thing and outright release him.

    Hope maybe I get to see him lift a lombardi..

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    I think playing with his brother would be very appealing to him, but with their cap crunch I don't know if they'll be able to offer him a lot. Which he might still accept if he thinks they can repeat their success of last year. Personally I don't think Big Ben's Last Stand has a high shot of going to the Super Bowl, mainly because I'm concerned 39 year old Ben will hold up again health-wise.

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    Also I absolutely love his comment about getting boo'd on draft night, lol..

    It was pretty rough and he's never ever ever forgotten that and it's great that he just couldn't resist mentioning it on his way out.

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    Percussions post above gives me a fun idea- we should have a prediction contest but it's "who starts week 1 for each nfl team?" And whoever gets the most right wins

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    That was the exact idea behind making the list. Me and buddy made a little futures bet on who get the QB market the most right.

    Top shelf bottle of booze on the line for the winner.

    Thought I'd share here if anyone else wanted to take a shot. A little contest would be cool.

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    Really, who doesn't want all the Drunk Brady they can get..

    https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...28334945579009

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    Seeing the videos of Brady drunk is the first time I've ever liked him I think lol

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    Heard Brady is getting knee surgery because it is pretty messed up. Could've fooled me with the way he played.

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    I think it's just a scope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Come on to TN mr Watt...

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    A Valentine to Houston Texans fans:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    McNair picked Easterby
    Over Watson and over you.

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    Colts get Wentz for a 2021 3rd and a 2022 second that could be a first depending on performance. I like it. I was hoping for Stafford but I’m intrigued by Wentz reuniting with Reich.

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    Don't hate the deal for Indy/Wentz. Seemed like a match made in heaven. Philly was just trying hard as hell to boost the asking price but that's a reasonable deal for both sides. All in all, Wentz is going to the situation that's probably his best chance for immediate success/turnaround. If not now, when for Wentz.

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    You blew it by not saying: if not now, Wentz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    You blew it by not saying: if not now, Wentz
    I didn't, but thank you for your consideration.

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    It's a good deal for Indy. If he starts turning it around it will be a low first round pick. They weren't going to get Watson, and I'm sure they were players for Stafford too. They are a good QB from being an incredible team.

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    I'm curious to see the Philly angle now. To me, they're set to be a poor man's Baltimore with the ability to meet that standard relatively quickly. Hurts is athletic and can work in an RPO offense. He's still got time on his side to adapt as a passer. The timeframe to meet that Baltimore threshold can be cut rather quickly if he develops because Philly certainly has skill position weapons around him that should be very useful.

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    Good trade for both sides. Eagles will probably get a first next year as long as Wentz doesn't get hurt. Even if the Colts stink and he plays 75% of the snaps, it turns to a first.

    Anyway, I want to see what Hurts has this year. Draft a player like Chase and see what happens. If he isn't good then they could use their high draft pick on a QB in 2022. This really is a new look Eagles since the Super Bowl. Once Alshon gets cut and Ertz traded(probably) they will have only a few players left from that team (Graham, Lane Johnson, Brandon Brooks, Kelce, McLeod, Jake Elliot, and Seumalo). New coaching staff, young players, and fresh feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Good trade for both sides. Eagles will probably get a first next year as long as Wentz doesn't get hurt. Even if the Colts stink and he plays 75% of the snaps, it turns to a first.

    Anyway, I want to see what Hurts has this year. Draft a player like Chase and see what happens. If he isn't good then they could use their high draft pick on a QB in 2022. This really is a new look Eagles since the Super Bowl. Once Alshon gets cut and Ertz traded(probably) they will have only a few players left from that team (Graham, Lane Johnson, Brandon Brooks, Kelce, McLeod, Jake Elliot, and Seumalo). New coaching staff, young players, and fresh feel.
    I still hope they find a strength and conditioning coach or get rid of the negative mojo they have in regards to injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I still hope they find a strength and conditioning coach or get rid of the negative mojo they have in regards to injuries.
    A new coaching staff and getting younger can help with that, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm curious to see the Philly angle now. To me, they're set to be a poor man's Baltimore with the ability to meet that standard relatively quickly. Hurts is athletic and can work in an RPO offense. He's still got time on his side to adapt as a passer. The timeframe to meet that Baltimore threshold can be cut rather quickly if he develops because Philly certainly has skill position weapons around him that should be very useful.
    Sounds like they are taking a QB at 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Sounds like they are taking a QB at 6.
    I am not convinced this is the case. Lawrence and Wilson are probably going 1-2. I don't think Fields is that great of a pick without knowing for sure what Hurts has. If they aren't good in 2021 then you can possibly look at a QB, trade, or FA. 2022 cap space is really good now with the Wentz trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Sounds like they are taking a QB at 6.
    I don't think that would be smart.

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    They are in a rebuild situation. Why not see what you have in Hurts and then draft a QB next year with your first or the Colts if it jumps up from a 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    They are in a rebuild situation. Why not see what you have in Hurts and then draft a QB next year with your first or the Colts if it jumps up from a 2.
    exactly. they will probably have two firsts next year and over 75 million in cap space in 2022. You can trade up, trade for, or sign a QB if needed. With the way the team is looking, they will have a top 7 pick again unless Hurts plays out of his mind in which case, you don't need a qb anymore.

    Now, if they really love Zach Wilson and the Jets would rather stay with Darnold or something then maybe trade up for someone like him. I am not sold on Fields either.

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    The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.

    Just out of curiosity I looked up his career snap percentage to see how likely he is to reach the condition in terms of staying healthy.

    2020 - 71.59%
    2019 - 98.63%
    2018 - 66.30 %
    2017 - 77.90%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.

    Just out of curiosity I looked up his career snap percentage to see how likely he is to reach the condition in terms of staying healthy.

    2020 - 71.59%
    2019 - 98.63%
    2018 - 66.30 %
    2017 - 77.90%
    2016 - 99.47%
    barring injury, i don't really see him not hitting the threshold. i don't see the colts benching him unless he's just a complete disaster, which i don't foresee.

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    If the Colts are out of the playoffs, I can see them benching him the last week or two of the season if it means they pay a second instead of a first for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    If the Colts are out of the playoffs, I can see them benching him the last week or two of the season if it means they pay a second instead of a first for him.
    Even that wouldn't be enough to get him under 75% unless hey misses other games due to injury.

    If the Colts don't make the playoffs this year, the Eagles probably got away with a good return anyway considering that is now the second below average year for Wentz.

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    Another thing IND can do... If the game is out of reach - whether because they're winning or losing by a large margin - they can bench Wentz and let a rookie QB they want to develop run a hurry up offense (to increase # of snaps). Doubt any team would go that length, but it's a way to hedge your bets lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    They are in a rebuild situation. Why not see what you have in Hurts and then draft a QB next year with your first or the Colts if it jumps up from a 2.
    THey saw this year with Hurts and learned that there is not as much there as they had hoped for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Where's that coming from?
    His agent said he doesn’t want out YET but if he did he’d want to go to four teams only:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Most passive aggressive trade demand I’ve ever seen
    Imagine a breakup going this way. “I don’t want break up with you, but if I do I’ll probably only date these four people.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Tom Brady has ALL the angry vet qbs wanting out.
    yep. I don't know that the rest of them will have such happy outcomes but it's definitely a blueprint of sorts. granted, forcing a trade isn't exactly following the Brady blueprint because then your destination team has to give up huge assets to get you (maybe not just picks but players too). what these guys should do in the future, and what might become more common, would be for the elite QBs to guarantee themselves no franchise tag when their extension is up, thus guaranteeing free agency if they want it. I don't know if the Patriots would have tagged him anyway but Brady's last extension guaranteed him free agency so he was looking ahead to it for over a year before he got to Tampa. if the Brady effect is real, then I could see QBs approaching their extensions differently going forward to put themselves in that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    His agent said he doesn’t want out YET but if he did he’d want to go to four teams only:
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    I understand the Saints because of they are a playoff team every year and have a good coach. I don't get the other teams honestly. Bears and Raiders? why? Dallas has a good offense but they are always a mess.
    I feel like Washington would be one of the better places to go to right now. they are a qb away from being a real contender. They have the defense, coaching, offensive line. Just missing that qb and maybe another weapon on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I understand the Saints because of they are a playoff team every year and have a good coach. I don't get the other teams honestly. Bears and Raiders? why? Dallas has a good offense but they are always a mess.
    I feel like Washington would be one of the better places to go to right now. they are a qb away from being a real contender. They have the defense, coaching, offensive line. Just missing that qb and maybe another weapon on offense.
    Stop

    Superbowl for Chicago incoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I understand the Saints because of they are a playoff team every year and have a good coach. I don't get the other teams honestly. Bears and Raiders? why? Dallas has a good offense but they are always a mess.
    I feel like Washington would be one of the better places to go to right now. they are a qb away from being a real contender. They have the defense, coaching, offensive line. Just missing that qb and maybe another weapon on offense.
    Dallas, Chicago, and LV all have offensive lines ranked worse than Seattle so if Russ is worried about taking hits those shouldn’t be destinations. If I’m him I’d be looking at the Saints exclusively but maybe they don’t want to part with the pieces and the picks to acquire Russ. It was very strange for his agent to come out and say this.

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