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    @mth Thoughts on the possibility we'll get the Big Shots crossover on screen now that Disney has Punisher and Daredevil....

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    From what I've heard, Oscar Isaac is only in it for this series and we won't be seeing Moon Knight outside of it, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    Episode 2 was cool, my only complaint was the fight scene against the invisible hound. Anytime you fight something invisible in an action scene it usually looks goofy.

    But plot wise i thought everything was really cool. Definitely has me hooked so far.

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    I am hooked. Not really familiar with Moon Knight. He crossed over into a few of my spider man comics at one point but yeah really don't know anything. Read up a little bit to have a better understanding. I think they are doing a really good job with this so far and Oscar Isaac is doing a great job.

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    Good third episode. Nice to get some more action/punch ups both in and out of the suit. Nice to see more of what Moon Knight's powers are in that fight. Much as the moving the sky was kind of silly (there's an app for that!) it was a pretty neat visual. I guess there were some hints at another personality yet to be revealed so it'll be interesting to see when/how that comes out. Apparently there is going to be a

    in the next episode so that's kind of lame but hopefully it won't be too much of a focus.

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    Good 3rd episode. I've realized the only thing I'm not digging is Ethan Hawke. It's like when Highlander played Raiden. IDK. They should've cast his brother Stephen Dorf.

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    Lambert was awesome as Raiden, I'm dying on this hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Lambert was awesome as Raiden, I'm dying on this hill.
    You really dug the "I don't think so" catchphrase?



    there was a line in there, where he apologized for going over the top...I like MacLeod's delivery on that one

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    I really like this show so far. Some of the CGI is not great, but I have come to expect it with the MCU shows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    You really dug the "I don't think so" catchphrase?



    there was a line in there, where he apologized for going over the top...I like MacLeod's delivery on that one
    Totally, also his 'sorry' lines too.

    Hahahaha... sorry.

    YYYES! *bam* sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Lambert was awesome as Raiden, I'm dying on this hill.
    When you watch the animated movies or even the cutscenes from the games, you realize just how horrible Christopher Lambert is not only as Raiden but as an actor in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    When you watch the animated movies or even the cutscenes from the games, you realize just how horrible Christopher Lambert is not only as Raiden but as an actor in general.
    Triggered.


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    Damn, episode 4 took a turn. Shit got wild. Love it. I need it to be next week already.

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    And here it is next week and the wild ride continues. Things got intense/dark/deep in this one. Very interesting and fascinating stuff. This is easily my favorite Marvel show now. Why aren't you mofos talking about it???

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    I'm watching, Wondering what the hell is going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    And here it is next week and the wild ride continues. Things got intense/dark/deep in this one. Very interesting and fascinating stuff. This is easily my favorite Marvel show now. Why aren't you mofos talking about it???
    Was outstanding and maybe one of my 2-3 favorite Marvel episodes off the top of my head. Very very interesting and emotional.

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    I just watched the 5 episodes out over the past few days and I'm enjoying it. I can't believe there's only one more episode I thought these shows were always at least 8 episodes. I'm interested to see how they wrap it up.

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    I just caught up on the last 2 episodes. Wow, Asylum was outstanding. I agree it was one the best, if not the best, singular episode in MCU television so far.

    Ethan Hawke is great in this. I can see why some people weren't feeling him earlier on, but I never thought he was bad. And in the latest 2 episodes he was great. A real Ned Flanders vibe, lol. But obviously Oscar Isaac is the superstar here and I think he should be a strong award contender for this role.

    Though I'll be sad this show ends next week, I'm fine with there being only 6 episodes. Better to wrap it up than stretch it out.

    Prior to this I had Loki as the top MCU show to date. This could top it. At the very least it'll be in the top 2.

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    Wandavision is still the best to me.

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    Episode 5 of Moon Knight was incredible. Isaacs’ performance was a tour de force and it was a really well done exploration of trauma and abuse. Not your conventional superhero show by any means. It’s great to see Marvel taking risks with the format by doing shows like this and Wandavision.

    I have no idea how they wrap this up in one episode unless there’s a season 2. Interesting that Isaacs hasn’t signed a big contract with Marvel like other actors traditionally so. But Kevin Feige apparently got him to sign on after giving him the scripts for episodes 1 and 5. I can totally understand how those scripts piqued his interest.

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    Apparently they changed the preview description of this week's episode from "series" finale to "season" finale.

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    Finale Thoughts:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    So Moon Knight is the first Marvel on Disney Plus series where I have no idea on the subject matter. Other than the trailer, As a total noob, What do I need to know?
    I still know nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post

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    Good finale episode if a little underwhelming but I feel like that's generally inevitable.

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    Very much looking forward to She Hulk. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun. CGI's a little dodgy on her, though.

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    I think it looks solid but not great. Sort of like Hawkeye with matching an Avenger who's never had a solo movie with a new female character, except in this case She Hulk is the clear lead. I don't know the actress - a lot will depend on how charismatic she is and how well she can carry a series.

    Story-wise, I'm not all that interested yet. I heard my girl Grace Randolph say She Hulk is very popular in the comics and holds her own story-wise but this seems very much like a spin-off.

    Tim Roth coming back is cool though. If he's the main villain (which I suspect he is) and if he's heavily featured, that would be a big boost IMO.

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    The actress carried a show for 5 seasons. I would be surprised if she ends up being a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    The actress carried a show for 5 seasons. I would be surprised if she ends up being a problem.
    What show?

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    Orphan Black

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    I also am concerned by the CGI though

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    I think the CGI looks fine, but I'm rarely someone who notices bad CGI until other people point it out.

    Random thought but I would have liked to see Kaitlin Olsen in this role. And not just because of the below screenshot, but because I think she would legitimately be great and funny at it, like in that dating scene in the trailer.


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    I'm sure they will have time to make updates to the CGI. There were a few odd looking shots, but I'm not going to base a show off a trailer.

    Orphan Black is great, and you all should watch it. Tatiana Maslany is an incredible actor and she is a very good fit for She-Hulk.

    Interested to see how they explain:

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    I am looking forward to this. A couple of the shots made the CGI a bit dodgy but that doesn't mean all of it is bad or they won't clean it up a bit more.

    Much like Moon Knight I am not familiar with this character so going in fairly blind.

    I really enjoyed Moon Knight so I am sure I will enjoy this.

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    My wife and I watched about 4 seasons of Orphan Black so i can also vouch hard for the lead. She's a force. If you were impressed with Oscar Issac playing two guys on Moon Knight, she played about six people on OB.

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    So are we just going to act like David Otunga isn't in She-Hulk?

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    I wasn't positive that was him. But now that you say that and I do a quick google search I see that it was him.

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    I was going to mention it. Will be curious if he's just a guy in a dating montage or if he actually has some time on screen.

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    Man I hope he's not just in the dating montage as some kind of homage to his time on I Love New York lol

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    Just watched the first episode of Ms. Marvel. Really enjoyed it. Main actress is very likeable and does well. Really good job of developing the family dynamic, they do a great job making you feel for both Kamala and her parents. Liked the vibes with the visuals and incorporating words/pictures into the backgrounds/setting. Was curious how they'd origin her powers as I heard things were different from the comics, and probably would've expected that, and I'm curious to see how it's explained further.

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    Agreed, a very fun first episode. I get nervous when kids are the leads of shows, but they both knock it out of the park. The family pitch perfect as well. Really hope they keep this tone throughout the series.

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    Not too bad of a first episode. I don't know jack shit really about Ms. Marvel so going into this with an open mind. I agree with mth about how it looks visually especially with animation being incorporated at various times. The concept is cool, a superfan of the Avengers, mainly Capt Marvel, becomes a super hero.

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    I did not expect the Ms. Marvel TV show to be where

    debut in the MCU.

    Overall, it was a good show. I have to admit i got a little bored with the family history stuff set in the past as I was more interested in Kamala's current day situation but I understand why the backstory stuff was important and meaningful for the character. I absolutely love the main actress and look forward to seeing her more.

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    I liked Ms. Marvel, but I didn't love it. It was well made and everything, but I just found myself waiting for something to happen a lot of the time. I sort of feel like everything they accomplished in 6 episodes could have been done in 2 and then she could have faced an actual villain and come out on top. The DODC didn't interest me and the Clandestines were just boring in my opinion and didn't feel well thought out.

    It's an origin story, so it makes sense to focus on her learning her powers and her past, and her connection to her larger family/community. All that is great, and I like that they wanted to do something different than their standard formula, but I kind of missed the formula honestly. I wanted Kamala to leave the series feeling triumphant, and I didn't feel that way to me. The conflicts were mostly personal and I never felt like the outside threats accomplished much. The show set a bunch of things up and then didn't follow through on most of them. I know the character is coming back and this gives them threads to follow later, but I would have liked resolution from a conflict besides the family stuff.

    Overall, even though I was a bit disappointed, and I think this is probably my least favorite Disney+ Marvel series, I thought it was good. When I do an inevitable re-watch I'll be interested to see if my perspective is different on a second viewing.

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    By the end, I enjoyed Ms Marvel as a whole. It was another example of Marvel using TV to do something, this time leaning into a different culture rather than genre. I thought her family was nicely drawn and Kamala herself is a great addition to the MCU.

    On the one hand, some of the middle episodes dragged a bit but I also came away feeling like there could have been two more episodes. The way episode 5 ends so abruptly felt odd. The threat from Damage Control came out of nowhere in the final episode. They could have been built up better, even if the lack of a big bad in the early episodes was refreshing. The trip to Karachi meant that Bruno and Nakia dropped out of the show altogether and then having to get back to Jersey for the finale resulted in little time to explore Muneeba’s feelings about Kamala’s powers.

    The threat from the Clandestines seemed mega rushed - they had barely been introduced before suddenly wanting to murder everyone at the wedding. They were unwilling to spend even a few minutes considering how they can return to their realm without wrecking ours in the process. I didn’t understand why Najma’s death closed the portal, when another Clandestine had been killed in the exact same way a minute earlier, nor why Kamran suddenly got powers like Kamala’s.

    With everything we learned in Moon Knight, on top of all the multiverse and celestial stuff, the MCU is piling on the mythology and layers at this point. So while this introduced yet another dimension into the mix, it was good to see a friendly neighbourhood style hero by the end of the show.

    The brief mention of the Scott Lang podcast was a great way to explain how all these characters in the TV shows can possibly know the specifics of the final battle with Thanos. I wish they had kept more of the visual style of the first episode, with Kamala’s imagination coming to life around her.

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    Cute.

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    First episode of She-Hulk was pretty good. Appreciate that they just jumped right into her origin and got straight to her being She-Hulk and we didn't have to wait for that all to play out for awhile like a lot of the other shows. Banter with Banner was fairly amusing. CG went back and forth for me from being pretty decent to looking a bit rough. Eager to see the actual meat of the story now.

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    Enjoyed the first episode of She Hulk. Fun stuff and I think a good start and looking forward to the rest. Now I need to back and finish watching Ms Marvel. Only watched like half the episodes so far.

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    She-Hulk was cool. IDK about anyone else but all I kept thinking about was how I wish this happened 15-20 years ago and Chyna could've played the part of She-Hulk. Probably doesn't help that I've actually seen Chyna as She-Hulk and it was....well it was pretty nice lol.

    I've been a fan of these Disney shows and I like how this one kind of has a late 90's early 00's vibe to it.

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    The CGI was okay but some of the scenes looked very wonky with the green screens, like it was obvious they were in a studio in a lot of shots. But I'm not someone who gets overly bothered by that.

    Otherwise, I thought it was a great first episode. Tatiana Maslany is charming and funny and I really like the character they established in this episode. The very end of the post credits scene was hysterical.

    I'm not sold on Titania yet - her entrance seemed random but I like Jameela Jamil from The Good Place. Obviously I'll learn more about her next episode but that entrance didn't give me any grasp of who or what she is.

    Overall definitely a thumbs up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    She-Hulk was cool. IDK about anyone else but all I kept thinking about was how I wish this happened 15-20 years ago and Chyna could've played the part of She-Hulk. Probably doesn't help that I've actually seen Chyna as She-Hulk and it was....well it was pretty nice lol.

    I've been a fan of these Disney shows and I like how this one kind of has a late 90's early 00's vibe to it.
    I always thought they should've done She-Hulk the old Hulk TV show style and have two separate actresses play her. Callista Flockheart aka Ally McBeal plays her as a single female lawyer, living in New York, and Chyna or Ronda Rousey or some other musclebound babe would paint herself green and play her all Hulked-Out.

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    Some good developments in ep. 2 of She-Hulk. Jen's gotta deal with exactly what Bruce said she would. Family stuff was amusing. I didn't realize it but saw someone pop on Twitter for her dad, I guess he's Larry from Perfect Strangers which I did watch growing up but don't really give much of a hoot. Interesting angles with the job stuff and the Abomination situation. Bruce's "I was a different person...literally" line was great. There's a
    Easter egg on the website she was looking at. Origin's out of the way, story's getting into swing, and I'm on board.

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    I thought Tim Roth was great in episode 2.

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    Yeah episode 2 was awesome. Incorporating Tim Roth, genius. Reminded me that we still need Tarantino to either A-be in a Marvel movie or B-help put one out.

    Anyone else a fan of the cheeseball music they throw in? Reminds me of watching Lois and Clark back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah episode 2 was awesome. Incorporating Tim Roth, genius. Reminded me that we still need Tarantino to either A-be in a Marvel movie or B-help put one out.

    Anyone else a fan of the cheeseball music they throw in? Reminds me of watching Lois and Clark back in the day.
    Tarantino wants a role as She-Hulk's podiatrist. After all, the constant stretching and expanding and then returning to normal size can't be good for your muscles and tendons, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Tarantino wants a role as She-Hulk's podiatrist. After all, the constant stretching and expanding and then returning to normal size can't be good for your muscles and tendons, right?
    That would be the perfect role for White Tony Atlas

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    3rd episode might've been the best one yet. Certainly found it the most entertaining.

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    Ep. 4 of She-Hulk was also good. Madisynn is a blessing.

    But the real reason for this post is trailers are dropping and HOLY FUCK THIS LOOKS DOPE:

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    Werewolf By Night was pretty damn fun. Felt like a set up for something more so hopefully there's a follow up down the pipe.


    Meanwhile, She-Hulk continues to be one of the best D+ shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Werewolf By Night was pretty damn fun. Felt like a set up for something more so hopefully there's a follow up down the pipe.


    Meanwhile, She-Hulk continues to be one of the best D+ shows.
    Werewolf was cool. I didn't know it was only going to be about 55 minutes long.

    She-Hulk is cool and I'm excited to see her in the movies one day.

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    I truly don't know what to think of that finale.

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    Finale was brilliant, loved it. I can see people taking issue with the approach but if it was Deadpool, they'd be lapping it up.

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    I think there's a fair distinction to be made between the two.

    I know this is what She-Hulk does in the comics, but Deadpool as a character is always this weird so it's more expected. Some people have issue with She-Hulk doing the same because outside of the 4th wall stuff the character is NOT weird.

    I didn't hate it, but I wasn't in love with it all the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Finale was brilliant, loved it. I can see people taking issue with the approach but if it was Deadpool, they'd be lapping it up.
    Not if it sucked. Not saying I thought the finale sucked with all that 4th wall breaking but trying to say if one does it the other should also be appreciated is odd. If you hate McDonald's and like Burger King I'm not going to say "Well they both serve the same food what's wrong with McDonalds?"

    Kind of like when my ex would make something with hamburger and say "YOu don't like lasagna but you'll eat burritos? They both have hamburger!" She-Hulk and Deadpool are not the same. Zack Morris and Deadpool aren't the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Not if it sucked. Not saying I thought the finale sucked with all that 4th wall breaking but trying to say if one does it the other should also be appreciated is odd. If you hate McDonald's and like Burger King I'm not going to say "Well they both serve the same food what's wrong with McDonalds?"

    Kind of like when my ex would make something with hamburger and say "YOu don't like lasagna but you'll eat burritos? They both have hamburger!" She-Hulk and Deadpool are not the same. Zack Morris and Deadpool aren't the same.

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    The She-Hulk finale really fell flat for me. I enjoyed most of the 4th wall breaks throughout the season, but it felt to me like the finale relied on that in place of story progression instead of in addition to it.



    Overall I liked the first season, and I'm looking forward to more of She-Hulk/Jen and her buddies and family, but to me the last episode was by far the weakest and kind of undercut some of the earlier episodes.

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    I agree with what most of you guys said about the finale. I liked the MCU/Feige bit and was laughing at it but to your point Pipkin they should have wrapped it up with a court scene instead of basically skipping over the climax. But overall the show was good.

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    looks fun

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    I watched the Guardians Holiday Special and I thought it was great. It's only about a half hour so you can get through it quickly and the short runtime works really well IMO. It doesn't outstay its welcome. Drax and Mantis are the stars and Drax is hysterical as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I watched the Guardians Holiday Special and I thought it was great. It's only about a half hour so you can get through it quickly and the short runtime works really well IMO. It doesn't outstay its welcome. Drax and Mantis are the stars and Drax is hysterical as usual.
    I absolutely loved it. Everything played well and yeah, mantis and draw stole the show. My crush on mantis grows.

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    We watched it a week or so back and had a good time. It was nice to see Drax and Mantis get more spotlight. Their chemistry/antics were pretty hilarious and definitely the highlight. The Christmas aspect served its purpose and I could see it getting in the mix of the usual season's viewing for folks.

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    I was shocked they have Funkos based on the show out already.

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    New trailer. Looks good.


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    What the fuck is this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    What the fuck is this?

    Looks like a movie trailer to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Looks like a movie trailer to me.
    Well, you and your hippie agenda are way off.



    That's not a trailer.





    Get it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Well, you and your hippie agenda are way off.



    That's not a trailer.





    Get it together.
    Speaking of together, I see teaser trailer in the title.

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    that's another hippie like you choosing to mistitle when it was uploaded.


    the official clip clearly says teaser.

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    The Marvels looks fun as hell. I am all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The Marvels looks fun as hell. I am all in.
    The visuals alone will be awesome. I'm glad I saw the new Ant Man in theaters because I feel like certain movies don't look as cool on my tv.

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    Secret Invasion is off to a good start.

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    Episode 2 is good alone for the Fury/Rhoads scene. Jesus, that was some good dialogue. Same goes with the Talos/Fury train scene. I think this is low key going to be the best thing Marvel does this year, feels like their Andor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The Marvels looks fun as hell. I am all in.
    It's gonna flop and you know it. Nobody important watched Ms. Marvel.

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    I'm enjoying it so far. It definitely started out hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarius View Post
    It's gonna flop and you know it. Nobody important watched Ms. Marvel.
    I don't give a fuck.

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    Nobody important...ffs who actually speaks like that.

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    Secret Invasion was probably one of the worst MCU shows. A few good things here and there but a lot to criticize.

    First episode of the new season of Loki was really good, though.

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    I'm digging Loki. I'll be honest, wasn't super high on the first season but I watched it again during the summer and I must've been stoned or something the first time. Definitely liked it more with a 2nd watch.

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    good article in Variety today about high level MCU stuff for those interested

    https://variety.com/2023/film/featur...ng-1235774940/

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    That article is a good read. Sums up a lot of the concerns about the MCU's direction.

    The TV shows have had major writing issues. Loki's most recent episode had an intriguing ending but it doesn't have the "must see" unpredictable feel of the first season. She-Hulk had a great concept but it felt unfocused and meandering a lot of the time. Ms Marvel tried to do something different, but was really slow and flat at times. Secret Invasion could have been brilliant, but it was pretty dreadful. Fury came out of it looking weak and untrustworthy and I don't even want to contemplate what they might reveal about Rhodes. It also had that feel of Phase 2, where the restrictions on budgets and actors meant that no-one wanted to call the Avengers during potentially cataclysmic events.

    6 episodes is not enough when so many of the shows want to have at least 2 episodes where the plot stops dead for a quiet or quirky character study. Marvel aren't helped by the fact that DC, Sony, and other people are doing their own take on multiverses and the concept is already feeling tired. I think that run towards Endgame worked because the impending arrival of Thanos was very understated, the films were still focused on introducing or developing the heroes, and you had the consistent voice and vision of the Russos but even more importantly Markus and McFeely who wrote a through line from the Captain America films. We've had three versions of Kang in TV and film, so the mystique and threat is already diluted. I fear for the box office of The Marvels. When an incredible film like Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning runs out of steam before cracking $600 million worldwide, what hope do these second string MCU films have?

    I expected some kind of variants of the original heroes to make a cameo or pop up for one or both of the big Avengers movies in a few years time. But I'm also keen for those deaths to stick and not to bring actors back just to bump the box office. I think they should just recast Kang to eliminate the headache of Majors, rather than rushing Dr Doom into the fray and not doing him justice in the very tight schedule of films that they've lined up. I'm hoping that Daredevil has been saved by Feige's intervention, but it's embarrassing that they shot so many episodes before realising that it wasn't working. It does seem like they've lost the run of themselves, put too much faith in post-production, and the creative control is spread too thin.

    Some of the rumours about what might happen in the future Avengers films - the likes of Maguire, Garfield, Jackman, McKellan, etc all turning up - will probably be amazing to see if they're true. But it feels like a long and overly convoluted road to that point.

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    Someone brought up Mad Max: Fury Road to Blade being the 4th more important character in a Blade film. However, Mad Max was the second most important person in that film and George Miller is not directing Blade. I think the strike is probably a good thing for Marvel to reset. They just hired the writers from Netflix Daredevil to write Season 4 of Daredevil. There seems to be some retooling internally. I am looking forward to Marvels. Yes, even Captain Marvel who probably should be depowered at the end of film maybe by...... Rogue??

    The Jonathan Majors thing is so weird. He had issues in the past, you would think Marvel would have done some research on a guy you are building five years of stories around. The worse part is Majors is killing in Loki. He is the most eye watching character on the show. I will say episode 4 of the Loki season two was amazing, but I got a feeling they are going to recon it. They really should not have jobbed Kang out in Quantomania. He should have gotten out and trapped Wasp and Antman in the quantum realm. He needs to be a threat and they have not treated him as one. Even in Loki, Sylvia kills him without much of a fight. Kang is top tier threat and he should be treated as one. We also have a bunch of heroes running around from Shang Chi to Moon Knight to the Eternals doing nothing. I say let him kill a few heroes leading up to Dynasty. Kang killing Hulk or Thor would be huge as well a few Eternals and some of the side characters they have introduced in the TV show. I like that Marvels is tying some of this together, but I think we should be done with single hero movies and just do some team ups.

    On a side note, I finally finished Across the Spiderverse. Wow. I loved it,but man they gave Peter B Parker the Last Jedi Luke treatment. I hope in the next one, he gets some balls back.

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    I really enjoyed episode 5 of Loki. It was back to being trippy and time-wimey. I wish they hadn’t made Sylvie so morose this season. Both her and B15 have been shortchanged. But it gave a bit more development to Loki’s journey and felt closer to season 1 in that regard.

    I loved Shang-Chi and can’t believe it only came out in 2021. Feels like it was a good 5 or 6 years ago. A big team-up movie was probably needed around now to keep up the momentum from those solo films and provide a fresh take on the ones that weren’t as successful.

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    Slyvie is so terrible. She got what she wanted in killing The One Who Remains and then pouts its the TVA's fault. Its only when it affects her in any way that she helps. My wife was not a fan of the character in Season One and I have watched Season Two without her as she would just bitch about Slyvie all the time. She would be right, but it would get annoying. My fear of Episode 5 redoing Episode 4 was correct, but I think its at least going somewhere. My friend who owns a comic book store, my other friend and I tried to figure out why the Sacred Timeline is important when we know for a fact that other timelines exist and are fine like in What if, Spiderverse and even No Way Home. It feels like Marvel has not tightly written the Multiverse threat like they did with the Infinity Saga and its starting to show.

    Quantomania should have had some other Marvel characters instead of the Ant-Man family. Wasp stood there for most of it anyway.

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    I would be shocked if Marvel didn't change up certain things along the way with the whole Thanos storyline. I doubt they were sitting there when Iron Man was being developed thinking that far ahead and it definitely wasn't clear as to where they were going 2-3 years into it. I wasn't even convinced Thanos was the end boss until years later I was still thinking "What if they acquire the rights to FF4 and we get Galactus?" You never know what they're thinking because they don't stick to the comics.

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    Really enjoying Loki season 2. First season was one of my least liked Marvel shows but this season is becoming one of the best.

    Saw the Echo trailer. Looks promising. More Kingpin, baby.

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    The finale of Loki was a brilliant end to his personal arc.

    It’ll be interesting to see where the MCU heads from here. I wonder if they’re going to use that ending to pivot away from Kang altogether and put everything into Secret Wars.

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    Loki was pretty perfect. I do think we have seen the end of Kang...for now.

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