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    I remember Zemo so poorly that

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    I enjoyed this episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I enjoyed this episode.
    Have you watched Black Lightning yet?

    That pertains to your comment about the show tapping in to systematic racism and I feel like Black Lightning is not only the best comic book show on CW, but one of the best in general.

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    Now that was a damn good episode on the level of The Winter Soldier movie


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    Episode 3 was the best one yet.


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    I watched 2 and 3 back to back and really enjoyed episode 3.

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    Good ep. Nice to see Sharon kicking ass, good action scenes. She's another character I kind of forgot about. Nice to see more of Zemo as, like I said previously, I'd forgotten about him. Dope character reveal at the end.

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    Looks awesome.

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    Felt like a real gear change in episode 4 - lots of stories inter-weaving and a killer ending.


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    I thought episode 4 was great.


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    Another solid episode:


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    I just finished episodes 4 and 5. Really great stuff.


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    Digging this show more than I expected, and I already expected I'd love it.

    To me it feels like with Sam and the shield, when dude said that no self-respecting black man would want that shield, he's wanting to restore glory in what people wanted it to stand for I guess. He sees how his sons are just in awe of it, and to him he wants it to represent all people not just the implication that it's somehow a negative symbol.

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    Just found out that Walker is Kurt Russell's baby boy! Think I like him even more knowing he's the seed of Snake Plissken. I can see it in his face knowing this now. Just a mind melter, I hadn't really seen him in anything else so had no idea Captain Ron's boy was even in acting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Just found out that Walker is Kurt Russell's baby boy! Think I like him even more knowing he's the seed of Snake Plissken. I can see it in his face knowing this now. Just a mind melter, I hadn't really seen him in anything else so had no idea Captain Ron's boy was even in acting.
    I just keep seeing him as Zeke from 22 Jump Street haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    I just keep seeing him as Zeke from 22 Jump Street haha.
    I actually didn't see that so I don't have that issue. He had a clean slate with me.

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    Not as good as WandaVision

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    Going to start Episode 6 soon. Then a Mighty Ducks intermission and then going to watch Mortal Kombat.

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    Great final episode. Some dope action and some fantastic emotional/character stuff. Really good conclusion. Got a little choked during the
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    Wouldn't say it was better/worse than WandaVision, just different and very good.

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    The Finale

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    If Sam's speech didn't hit you in the heart you are a cold motherfucker lol

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    It was a good speech but the idea that it would sway actual politicians strained credulity too much for me. As if senators are these really thoughtful people who can be appealed to with reason and emotive speeches rather than being bought and paid for by lobbyists.

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    I can suspend disbelief for a super soldier serum. But senators listening to the people is too unrealistic. - Gangers 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    It was a good speech but the idea that it would sway actual politicians strained credulity too much for me. As if senators are these really thoughtful people who can be appealed to with reason and emotive speeches rather than being bought and paid for by lobbyists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
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    I thought the same thing lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    Not wrong though am I
    You are 100% wrong because we don't know if a politician was put in that exact same scenario how they would react. Maybe if we had to deal with a little snap of the Thanos finger we would have politicians willing to do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    Not wrong though am I
    I get where you are coming from but I would say in this instance with the whole world watching the speech thanks to tv cameras being there that it is reasonable to think that a senator may be swayed. Unless it is McConnell and then well if would have not listened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    I get where you are coming from but I would say in this instance with the whole world watching the speech thanks to tv cameras being there that it is reasonable to think that a senator may be swayed. Unless it is McConnell and then well if would have not listened.
    This is correct lol ^

    If this isn't, then I need to ignore the fact Tommy sold half a million brake pads...

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    Finished up Falcon and Winter Soldier last night. Another good marvel outing for me. I will admit they did get me hook, line and sinker with Falcon giving up the Cap thing at the beginning. I was super disappointed but obviously that is not how it played out. There were some very well done story lines in this but a few not so good. I really think the 6 episode arc hurt some of the storytelling and from what I read online they changed a major element in the Hand Smashers storyline that I think could have played out nicely and fleshed their group out more. Here is my main take aways

    The lady that played Karli was a legit series stealer for me once she got going. Even with some hindered writing due to how fast pace they had to evolve the Hand Smashers storyline she did incredibly well. It's a pity she died but death is obviously not always the end in this type of universe. Nevertheless, we have a young and powerful actress on the rise.

    The fleshing out of Bucky's character has actually got me interested in doing an entire Cap rewatch. I am looking forward to seeing more of him in the MU and possibly as Luke Skywalker.

    The Isaiah storyline was very moving but again is something that really should have been fleshed out more. I think some flashbacks of his life could have pushed this to another dimension. The man who played Isaiah was also another scene stealer. Some incredible acting from him.

    Sam and Bucky have an outstanding chemistry together. They just have a perfect comradery than flawlessly transitions on screen.

    I'm not really digging Sam's new Cap uniform. It's ok but I think there is an over abundance of white in it that detracts from the over all colors of the red, white and blue as a symbol.

    The new cap storyline was ok by me. Again, the 6 episode arc forced what could have been an eventual downturn into his undoing into something rushed and his "redemption" arc was even worse. Just way to quick.

    The Sharon Carter plotline and twist was fine. I honestly had forgotten all about her and her storyline but the twist is fine. She has reason to be angry and to want to cause chaos.

    The reports are already out about Captain America 4 with Mackie taking the helm in a full fledged Cap movie which absolutely needs to be done at this point. I'm on board with another trilogy with our new Captain America. A lot more stories to tell that if done right could do wonders.

    I am ready for Loki. Bring it baby

    Edit: The fleshing out of the blip is also very fascinating as a whole. The fact they are presenting many people have ended up preferring what came out of it after living through it for 5 years makes for some very interesting storytelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    It was a good speech but the idea that it would sway actual politicians strained credulity too much for me. As if senators are these really thoughtful people who can be appealed to with reason and emotive speeches rather than being bought and paid for by lobbyists.
    Of course if you are comparing it to our world aspect. However, I think politicians, not all, would be able to have a bit more reasoning as a whole after seeing Thanos, the blip and they really pushed the fact that before everyone came back the world was basically united as one. That leads me to believe that their would definitely be politicians at hand that would feel the same as Cap and help fight for the right thing.

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    If only we had an example of some kind of global crisis with a huge death toll so we could see how politicians would realistically react in such a scenario.

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    Covid killed 50% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    If only we had an example of some kind of global crisis with a huge death toll so we could see how politicians would realistically react in such a scenario.
    Yes I can see the similarities in covid vs a galactic conquer invading earth with an army and subsequently erasing 4 billion people as the same. Consider me team gangrel at this point.

    When will all the people who died from covid come back so this analogy will be even more apt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Yes I can see the similarities in covid vs a galactic conquer invading earth with an army and subsequently erasing 4 billion people as the same. Consider me team gangrel at this point.

    When will all the people who died from covid come back so this analogy will be even more apt?
    Gangrel needs to add this take to his positive/negative quality dating thread he started in the Asylum.

    If only we had Captain America and Winter Soldier to show us the way. What's the best alternative we have right now? A 16 year old Swedish girl and Elon Musk? Fuck if I know.

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    Oh wow, it's the literal bunch. It was supposed to be a light hearted comment initially but I actually think I'm more right than you on this.

    If in the MCU politicians aren't grubby, soulless, corrupt, self serving bastards then very well. I mean every time they've been shown previously it's been well established that they are, but ok they've all had a Damascene conversion and now they act altruistically for the benefit of all humanity. Heartwarming stuff.

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    virms do you actually know what an 'analogy' is? Because if all the features of both things were precisely the same, it wouldn't be an analogy. It's pretty obtuse even for you to not understand the general point being made, that a hugely significant event that causes global chaos as well as enormous loss of life and negative effects for billions of others indirectly, has and would not stop politicians (like the ones you vote for/support) from being self-serving and change their entire personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    virms do you actually know what an 'analogy' is? Because if all the features of both things were precisely the same, it wouldn't be an analogy. It's pretty obtuse even for you to not understand the general point being made, that a hugely significant event that causes global chaos as well as enormous loss of life and negative effects for billions of others indirectly, has and would not stop politicians (like the ones you vote for/support) from being self-serving and change their entire personalities.
    The problem is, as your thread states, you are very stubborn and I've noticed this especially with your viewpoints on anything. As pretty much everyone has said you have to suspend your disbelief a little bit. I get your analogy but it seems very reasonable for me for politicians in the marvel universe to be a bit more open minded considering what they went thru with the invasion/blip and then a "terrorist" kidnapping.

    It was a quick shot scene to move a storyline point along. Maybe they will make a supplemental comic for you that is just the politicians having a meetings over the issue so it becomes less of a stretch for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    Oh wow, it's the literal bunch. It was supposed to be a light hearted comment initially but I actually think I'm more right than you on this.

    If in the MCU politicians aren't grubby, soulless, corrupt, self serving bastards then very well. I mean every time they've been shown previously it's been well established that they are, but ok they've all had a Damascene conversion and now they act altruistically for the benefit of all humanity. Heartwarming stuff.
    Hey you were the one going on and on about how unrealistic that ending was with Sam talking to the politicians, people, etc.

    Nothing is relatable in this discussion because we're talking about science fiction versus reality. It's wayyyyy too far fetched to try and be all "Eh this would never happen!" You have no idea. Show me the time aliens invaded Manhattan and a team of superheroes banded together. We haven't experienced anything remotely close to the events in the MCU. Where was Capt America during WW2 when we needed him?!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    The problem is, as your thread states, you are very stubborn and I've noticed this especially with your viewpoints on anything. As pretty much everyone has said you have to suspend your disbelief a little bit. I get your analogy but it seems very reasonable for me for politicians in the marvel universe to be a bit more open minded considering what they went thru with the invasion/blip and then a "terrorist" kidnapping.

    It was a quick shot scene to move a storyline point along. Maybe they will make a supplemental comic for you that is just the politicians having a meetings over the issue so it becomes less of a stretch for ya.
    This concept, very hard for dude to understand. Watching movies with people who have weird hot takes bother me. When people are like "Why didn't they just do that??" or "That would never happen" As the Hulk is sliding off the side of a building Kong style, completely forgetting it's The Incredible Hulk doing it and the building holding up from that kind of damage is irrelevant lol.

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    Science fiction is, and has always been a vehicle to make relatable points about the real world. It's ostensibly set in our world - they refer to real events that have happened in our past. So why do you all think these pricks would act wildly differently to their real life counterparts?

    In numerous MCU films the calibre of politician has been well established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    Science fiction is, and has always been a vehicle to make relatable points about the real world. It's ostensibly set in our world - they refer to real events that have happened in our past. So why do you all think these pricks would act wildly differently to their real life counterparts?

    In numerous MCU films the calibre of politician has been well established.
    There are thing called redemption arcs. There was even a few in this series. I mean You could probably even consider the politicians changing their mind and doing the right thing as a redemption arc tbh.

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    FALCON AND WINTER SOLIDER FINALE SPOILERS:

    I found the finale very clunky. The high level story writing was good but the script writing left a lot to be desired. Maybe I dropped the ball as a viewer but the action scenes that made up the first half of the episode were hard to follow. Forget all of the story, I just didn't think it was good action writing because I couldn't quite follow what the bad guy's plan was and who was going where. There were good set pieces mixed it but either the editing or the writing was not quite there as compared to a great action thriller sequence.

    Sam's speech was good but going back across the whole series I didn't understand Karli well enough to validate the comparison between the plight of the refugees to the plight of black Americans. Again, maybe this is me being a bad viewer and forgetting something but if you told me to explain Karli's background that led her to be radicalized, I wouldn't be able to. I understand it generally but I really feel like we're missing a couple flashbacks of her life coming together after the snap and then her life being torn apart by the blip due to the re-bordering initiative. I don't need everything teed up but a villain's backstory is generally vital in an MCU movie, especially when that aforementioned comparison was so important to Sam's arc and to what the show was trying to say about black history.

    It was certainly no fault of Erin Kellyman, though. I agree with virm that she was great in this and will go onto big things as an actress. Wyatt Russell was the other standout - he and JLD are a winning combo for sure.

    As for Sam and Bucky, they are good together but for the moment I've had my fill of them and Sharon Carter. Sharon was a badass in one of the earlier episodes but I felt she was pretty dry in the finale. I can't say I'm all that psyched if they make a 4th Captain America movie with this bunch. I'm fine with them showing up in another Avengers-type-film but I'll be more excited when US Agent and Val re-appear.

    This is a minor qualm but going back to Sam's speech, I was already scratching my head when Sam flew Karli's dead body out of the building instead of flying Sharon's living body to medical attention. Obviously he needed Karli there to make his speech but like he just left Sharon to bleed out? She ended up being fine - maybe she didn't really take a bullet in the way I thought she did because she seemingly suffered no ill effects. Whatever.

    WandaVision was for sure better to me. And Loki looks awesome. My overall assessment of Falcon & Winter Solider: solid, not outstanding.
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    I was disappointed with the action throughout the series. Sharon taking on the guys at the shipping container and Bucky and Sam vs Walker were great. But other scenes were clunky and choppily edited. Sam vs Batroc in the finale never really got going because it kept cutting back to Bucky. I thought it was weird to not keep the focus on Sam in his new suit for those first few minutes.

    The suit looks good though Iím not a fan of how it stops half way up his face.

    Episode 5 left Walker in a really interesting place and yet in the finale he just turns up and is accepted as one of the good guys.

    Sharon Carterís reveal as the power broker could have been really good if she had been a fully fleshed out character throughout the series.

    The scenes with Isaiah were great. I would have liked to have seen a flashback to his fight with Bucky. Heís another character that could have been in the series a lot more, but they made every scene with him count.

    ďOn and OnĒ is a brilliant credits track.

    Overall I think the writing has been really up and down. Some nice ideas, but the execution was poor at times. Episode 5 was the high point for me and the series did get better over time. But it asked a lot of questions without having the courage to explore them. Thereís a really great concept with how the world has fallen apart after people returned from the snap (though I wouldnít be surprised if they regret making the time jump in Endgame 5 years instead of one or two), but I think we need to start seeing this stuff rather than just some quick references in conversation. Same with Buckyís list - even two minutes showing that confession to Yori would have been a nice emotional ending to his arc. But they cut away.

    Iím a bit worried about a Captain America film with this writing team. Marcus and McFeely did an incredible job with the Cap films, Infinity War and Endgame - theyíre a tough act to follow.

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    A fun first episode. Hiddleston and Owen Wilson have great chemistry. Interested to see where this show goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post

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    Ah ok.


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    It was okay. I'll give it a chance but it seems weird to go out of your way to

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    Dig the overall aesthetic of the show looking all retro 70s and whatnot. Interesting and fun stuff with the TVA concepts. Some good interactions between Loki and

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    I liked it. Good set up episode, for this series, the TVA and

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    Digging it. It's interesting just how intertwined the ideas of DC and Marvel truly are.

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    it was pretty funny that


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    for the sake of nerdy time discussion... just wrapping my head around this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    for the sake of nerdy time discussion... just wrapping my head around this...


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    We're one episode in people, I'm not sure fantasizing about it's ending is going to be smart. Don't build yourself up to be let down because what you thought was going to happen didn't is all I'm saying. I do it too much lol.

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    Can't wait for all the Mephisto theories this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Can't wait for all the Mephisto theories this time around.


    by the way I just got my ticket to Black Widow

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