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    RIP Pat Patterson

    Last edited by Jarrod1983; December 2nd, 2020 at 11:48 AM.

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    played such a huge part in wwe. he made the royal rumble great.

    now to see if stories come out and he gets whitewashed ala moolah

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    Yeah there is some controversy with him. First I-C champion, invented the Rumble, the Sarge feud, a Stooge and the best finish guy in the business. His contributions are many but could very well be overshadowed.

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    Pat Patterson will be missed. Rest in Peace, truly one of the legends of this business. WWWF/WWF/WWE would never have become what they are if it wasn't for Pat. He had a mind for this business like very few others.

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    Great shame. RIP, a true legend of the business responsible for putting together some of the best WWE matches in history.

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    Bit of a punch to the gut, this one.

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    That dude was a piece of shit. Legendary wrestler and innovator, but he did way too many unforgivable things to underage boys that are too disgusting to talk about.

    RIH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    That dude was a piece of shit. Legendary wrestler and innovator, but he did way too many unforgivable things to underage boys that are too disgusting to talk about.

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    Has this been substantiated? Awful if true.

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    As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong here), the conventional belief seems to be that Patterson was unfairly lumped in with actual pedophiles (Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips) who were grooming ring boys, because he was openly gay. He resigned after the scandal broke because it was thought that having an openly gay man so high up in the company could be an issue. His original accuser, Murray Hodgson, was mostly full of shit. However, it is alleged that certain people (Sylvain Grenier for example) got or held on to jobs in the company because they were with Pat. But those rumours seem to be about men who were adults and a lot of it could just be dismissed as somewhat homophobic gossip. There have been other accusations of inappropriate touching though - Tom Cole is the main one I found. And Roddy Piper implied that Patterson behaved inappropriately with him but he didn't outright say it.

    Anyway, RIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong here), the conventional belief seems to be that Patterson was unfairly lumped in with actual pedophiles (Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips) who were grooming ring boys, because he was openly gay. He resigned after the scandal broke because it was thought that having an openly gay man so high up in the company could be an issue. His original accuser, Murray Hodgson, was mostly full of shit. However, it is alleged that certain people (Sylvain Grenier for example) got or held on to jobs in the company because they were with Pat. But those rumours seem to be about men who were adults and a lot of it could just be dismissed as somewhat homophobic gossip. There have been other accusations of inappropriate touching though - Tom Cole is the main one I found. And Roddy Piper implied that Patterson behaved inappropriately with him but he didn't outright say it.

    Anyway, RIP.
    As far as I know this is also what I believed to be true. That's why I almost didn't start this thread because I know there is some controversy to some people.

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    No rumors against him have ever been actually substantiated.

    RIP Pat, you beautiful gay old soul.

    another one of the best parts of Legends House gone. Fuck.

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    the piper story is the one that makes me wonder.

    dude had no reason to make that up if he didn't even want to go into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong here), the conventional belief seems to be that Patterson was unfairly lumped in with actual pedophiles (Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips) who were grooming ring boys, because he was openly gay. He resigned after the scandal broke because it was thought that having an openly gay man so high up in the company could be an issue. His original accuser, Murray Hodgson, was mostly full of shit. However, it is alleged that certain people (Sylvain Grenier for example) got or held on to jobs in the company because they were with Pat. But those rumours seem to be about men who were adults and a lot of it could just be dismissed as somewhat homophobic gossip. There have been other accusations of inappropriate touching though - Tom Cole is the main one I found. And Roddy Piper implied that Patterson behaved inappropriately with him but he didn't outright say it.

    Anyway, RIP.
    well, Al Perez was in WWF for a cup of coffee and says Pat Patterson said some very uncomfortable things to him that, ahem, left enough wiggle room to avoid prosecution.

    Basically (it's been a while and I hardly dwell on this mellowdrama amidst my own daily struggles) but the backstage conversation between Perez and Patterson went like this:

    Pat: "So I here you go both ways?" (Exact words)

    Al: "WTF you talkin' bout? I'm married." (Paraphrase)

    Pat: "Oh, no, no, no! You misunderstand me! I meant 'do you go both ways in the ring; babyface and heel'" (close to exact)

    so thats some weak weak sauce on Patterson's part 'if' true.
    one needs to understand few if any wish to stand up to WWE and their money machine and be ostracized for life., so there may be dozens of examples like this but only one or two on record.

    in any case, this interview can easily be found on YouTube, .I'm just to lazy too find it now.

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    Plenty of gay guys who are married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Plenty of gay guys who are married.
    Oh for crying out loud. Al Perez obviously wasn't one of them.

    I also recall Roddy Piper saying Patterson wasn't his best friend in the same tones as Perez and then danced around it when the guy tried to follow it up.

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    I personally doubt the underage boys stuff in regards to Pat Patterson, but I do think its possible he knew about it (what Garvin was up to) and didn't say anything. But what is more likely to me is that once he'd established himself with Vince and became part of the booking/talent team, he probably acted in ways that would no longer be considered appropriate by today's standards. Reports were that he made advances toward some of the newer, younger talent. One or more gave the accusation that once those advances were shut down, they were told they'd never work there again. To me, those are potentially believable when you consider that the accuser likely didn't just say no, but they likely got hot about it and called Patterson some pretty horrible slurs. So it might be that they got fired because they made it clear they wouldn't accept working with an openly homosexual backstage agent/booker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    That dude was a piece of shit. Legendary wrestler and innovator, but he did way too many unforgivable things to underage boys that are too disgusting to talk about.

    RIH
    None of this was ever proven to be true. And the 3 or 4 people over 50 years of the guy being in the industry to ever accuse him were pretty homophobic people as it is and again, nothing was ever proven to be true.

    Rest in Hell? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. Al Perez obviously wasn't one of them.

    I also recall Roddy Piper saying Patterson wasn't his best friend in the same tones as Perez and then danced around it when the guy tried to follow it up.
    Yeah Al Perez, super credible..........Roddy Piper, extremely homophobic, like many many wrestlers from his era. I remember Hawk implying that the only reason HBK was getting a singles push to begin with was because him and Bret were fucking with Vince and Pat on a couch. It's just stupid wrestler talk, anything to get people talking about them instead of others. Especially the older generation where they're in character 24/7, always trying to get over in any setting.

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    A few idiots conflating being gay with being a paedo, these are attitudes from the 1950s TBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    A few idiots conflating being gay with being a paedo, these are attitudes from the 1950s TBH.
    Exactly. It's the reason why so many were pissed at Kevin Spacey when he tried to link being a pedo with being a closet homosexual. Painting people with a brush that basically says "He's a pedo he's obviously gay!"

    Times change, younger generations evolve (hopefully). Being a gay man/woman in wrestling I'm sure still has stigmas but nothing like the past.

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    the piper one doesn't make sense to me to be a lie, even if he was some homophobic old man at the point.

    but they are both dead now so it's not even worth it

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    Funny thing about Roddy Piper is that he filled in for Razor at WM12 against Goldust as Razor was a giant homophobe as well.

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    Believe it or not you can hate one gay person without hating all of them. I wouldn't equate these events with the entire gay community whatsoever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    the piper one doesn't make sense to me to be a lie, even if he was some homophobic old man at the point.

    but they are both dead now so it's not even worth it
    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Funny thing about Roddy Piper is that he filled in for Razor at WM12 against Goldust as Razor was a giant homophobe as well.
    Razor was also suspended at the time which nobody seems to ever talk about that. He was uncomfortable working with Goldust but he did. Who did Goldust beat for the IC title? He failed a drug test and they pulled him PLUS he was already getting ready to leave for WCW. This information isn't really about what you posted just wanted to make it crystal clear that Razor did work with Goldust but the reason behind WM 12 getting switched was more to do with Razor being pulled due to a drug test.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Believe it or not you can hate one gay person without hating all of them. I wouldn't equate these events with the entire gay community whatsoever
    Well you're venom is without evidence, and you're basing it off people who had old views on homosexuals. I'm not trying to listen to Trump or Biden about people of color or people that are gay because they came up in a time where it was ok to think the worst of people like that. Just like I didn't really get butthurt about Hogan saying the N word in a private conversation or how people born before 1975 seem to feel about homosexuality.

    You literally just posted "REST IN HELL" to someone you A-don't know beyond the joy of what he's brought you in life and B-have no evidence beyond 1 person making a weird comment that made no sense.

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    Who knows about the accusations. Its wrestling so I would t write anything off in this industry tbh but at the end of the day no one really knows and might not ever know so best thing to do is judge him on his contribution to wrestling which was pretty amazing.

    Ive come to terms that a lot of talented people had a really bad dark side and just separate their work from the person. Thats why I can comfortably watch Benoit matches or a Roman Polanski movie. I aint really got an opinion on Patterson though cause I have read much into it and dont know any facts.

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    Of course, the situation with Benoit is very different.

    The problem I have watching Benoit matches is that he does the "slits their throat" gesture. I never found it so disturbing in his matches, but that was before he went and did it to his wife and his kid. Now, its really hard to watch. I am probably not the only one who feels this way.

    Thankfully, Garvin wasn't wrestling young boys on TV, "pretending" to perform oral sex on them. And thankfully Pat Patterson's character did not "pretend" to deny new talent "opportunities" in the business.

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    Also worth remembering that Roddy Piper was completely unhinged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Also worth remembering that Roddy Piper was completely unhinged.
    Indeed. Love the man but given his outspoken nature and being a bit mental, not the most reliable source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Also worth remembering that Roddy Piper was completely unhinged.
    Meltzer recently told a story about how piper hated Alvarez so much that he tried to get Barbarian to beat the shit out of Alvarez at an indie show, but the promoter caught wind of it and cancelled the booking before Alvarez could get hurt.


    Piper had a very rough life and was never in a good mental state.

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    The biggest difference between Benoit and Patterson is that nobody is falsely accusing Benoit for killing his 6 year old son and his wife based on a slit throat hand gesture. The guy actually killed his family and it had nothing to do with a hand gesture. People are literally only accusing Pat simply because of his sexual orientation. It's almost 2021 and we still have an extremely homophobic planet.

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    Check out the 2 new uploads for Something to Wrestle. The first one is brand new stuff where they shoot the shit about Bruce and Pat's relationship over the last 30 years+ and the 2nd is just a best of stories.

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    I have about 10 minutes left in the Pat Tribute Show. Guy liked to rib people! I fucking laughed hard when Bruce said that story of Pat disguised as the lawn care guy using the leaf blower. "I just wanted to blow you, Vince!" Gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I have about 10 minutes left in the Pat Tribute Show. Guy liked to rib people! I fucking laughed hard when Bruce said that story of Pat disguised as the lawn care guy using the leaf blower. "I just wanted to blow you, Vince!" Gold.
    Or when he thought Conrad ribbed him by putting his plane ticket under his real name that he hadn't used in 20-30 years lol.

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