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    This one is well deserved. Amazing manager and commentator as well as possibly the most gifted performer to ever hold a microphone.

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    Number 3...


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    I agree that this is justified, as Heyman belongs on a Mt Rushmore of advocates/managers. He understands his role and explains the magnitude of what he is selling, and he gets the audience excited for the anticipation of what's coming.

    There are times when he rambles on or takes too long to get to his point (more so when he was GM), but most of the time his timing is perfect. Even his self-introduction builds just the right amount of anticipation. By the time he gets to his point, the poetry he delivers just works. It is very clear he has worked hard on choosing every word he says, and precisely what syllables to emphasize, and most importantly, how long to pause between sentences.

    In front of a live audience, his mannerisms should be studied by anyone wanting to learn how to work a crowd. Little things like lifting the mic towards his face, then sligfhtly shaking his head before dropping his arm down, while the crowd anticipating rises. There are times when he'll even have to repeat "Ladies and Gentlemen.." a few times before he starts his shtick. This stuff has been done by heels for ages but Paul has perfected it like nobody else.

    I'd argue that Brock Lesnar wouldn't be half the legend he is if he didn't have Paul Heyman by his side.

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    Number 2...


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    On JR - best commentator ever. Just love his authenticity and passion.


    On Vince - amazing heel, just amazing. And put so many stars over. He wasn't my favourite commentator though.

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    The no.1 non-wrestler according to rajah.com forums is....


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    To be the greatest in one field is an amazing achievement. But to be the best in two is unheard of.

    Greatest manager ever. Greatest co-commentator ever. A great tv host, could also work in the ring. Fantastic comic timing and a heat magnet.

    To me, Brain shouldn't just be on the Mount Rushmore of non-wrestlers but he has a valid claim to join the likes of Hogan and Austin in terms of influence.

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    Full table:-


    Name Rank no of votes Total pts
    Bobby Heenan 1 12 265
    Vince 2 11 252
    JR 3 11 212
    Paul Heyman 4 12 208
    Eric Bischoff 5 11 170
    Jerry the King Lawler 6 11 167
    Mean Gene Okerland 6 9 167
    Jimmy Hart 8 11 166
    Jesse Ventura 9 10 162
    Paul Bearer 10 11 148
    Gorilla Monsoon 11 9 146
    Howard Finkel 12 9 142
    Jim Cornette 13 9 109
    Sensational Sherri 14 8 107
    Miss Elizabeth 15 10 98
    Stephanie McMahon 16 7 96
    Mr Fuji 17 6 79
    Sunny 18 9 78
    William Regal 18 8 78
    Earl Hebner 20 6 64
    Vicky Guerrero 21 5 54
    Shane Mcmahon 22 5 50
    Mick Foley 23 5 45
    Michael Cole 24 6 41
    Capt Lou 25 3 35
    Stone Cold 25 2 35
    Slick 27 2 34
    Teddy Long 28 5 28
    Todd Pettingill 29 3 27
    Brother Love 30 4 24
    Jonathan Coachman 31 1 23
    Macho Man 32 2 21
    Raphus 32 1 21
    Ric Flair 32 2 21
    Sable 32 3 21
    HHH 36 1 20
    The Jackal 37 1 19
    Tony Schiavione 37 2 19
    Trish Stratus 37 2 19
    Com Slaughter 40 1 18
    Lillian Garcia 40 2 18
    Roddy Piper 40 2 18
    Armando Alejandro Estrada 43 1 16
    Jack Tunney 43 2 16
    Freddie Blassie 45 2 15
    Paul Ellering 45 1 15
    Rob Bartlet 45 1 15
    Marlena/Terri 48 1 14
    Stacey Kiebler 48 1 14
    Tazz 50 1 13
    Corey Graves 51 1 12
    Mr T 51 1 12
    Tony Chimel 53 1 12
    Joey Styles 54 1 11
    Clarence Mason 55 1 10
    Lord Alfred 55 2 10
    Pat Patterson 55 2 10
    Joey Marella 58 2 8
    Shaniqua 58 1 8
    Lawrence Taylor 60 1 7
    Michael Hayes/Dok Hendrix 60 2 7
    Mr Perfect 60 1 7
    Yamaguchi San 60 1 7
    Mike Chioda 64 1 6
    Zeb Coulter 64 1 6
    JJ Dillon 64 1 6
    Dave Hebner 67 1 5
    Hornswoggle 67 1 5
    Arn Anderson 69 1 2
    Stu Hart 69 1 2
    Art Donovan 71 1 1
    Con Mustafa 71 1 1
    Gerald Brisco 71 1 1
    Greg Hamilton 71 1 1

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    Someone didn't vote Vince?

    Interesting

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    Sorry I blitzed it today lads, but had to get this out as last day on my laptop with work.

    Some ideas for next year for Top 25 countdowns:-

    Best woman
    Best non-US wrestler
    Best tag teams
    Best promo
    Best match type
    Best matches
    Most influential
    Best PPVs
    Best/Silliest Gimmick
    Unintentionally hilarious moments
    Best theme music

    Happy to take requests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Someone didn't vote Vince?

    Interesting
    I won't out people, but the most amazing one to me was Jonathan Coachman being voted 3rd best I mean he was entertaining as Vince's lackey, but still...

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    Coach's most recent run maybe puts him outside my top 40 as he was pretty bad.

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    Colonel Mustafa?

    What the hell is that? He wasnt even a non-wrestler!

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    My list for anyone remotely interested...

    Purely WWF/E careers. Only of my time (Blassie and Albano for example don't make the cut as they were at the tail end of their careers when I started watching) No wrestlers who did interview segments (Piper, Jericho etc) and no people who were not seen on TV (Jim Johnson for example) and only main roster stuff.

    Notes attached to some for no reason other than it makes me feel better about the list!

    1. Bobby The Brain Heenan
    2. Mean Gene Okerlund
    3. Howard Finkel
    4. Sensational Sherri
    5. Jesse The Body Ventura
    6. Jimmy Hart
    7. Vince McMahon (As Mr McMahon, absolutely hated commentator Vince)
    8. Paul Heyman
    9. Paul Bearer
    10. Miss Elizabeth
    11. Gorilla Monsoon
    12. William Regal (As manager and commissioner, but he did wrestler occasionally during these times so....)
    13. Jim Ross
    14. Eric Bischoff
    15. Jerry The King Lawler (up until he left first time)
    16. Todd Pettingill (Despised him as a kid, looking back now I see he was actually damned good at his job)
    17. Jim Cornette (Would be number 1 if it was not just WWE)
    18. Vicky Guerrero
    19. Lord Alfred Hayes
    20. Zeb Coulter
    21. Jack Tunney (Crap but also really important. I like the uncharismatic stuffed suit commissioner type)
    22. Theodore Long (Manager mainly)
    23. Mr Fuji
    24. Brother Love
    25. Michael Cole (Another who is really good at his job but I cant stand him because of what he is told to do.)

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    Can't remember my list.

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    Your list @Donald ;-


    1. Paul Bearer
    2. Miss Elizabeth
    3. Bobby Heenan
    4. Mean Gene
    5. Mr. Fuji
    6. Slick
    7. Jim Cornette
    8. Howard Finkel
    9. Jimmy Hart
    10. Jerry Lawler
    11. Rob Bartlet
    12. Macho Man
    13. Vince McMahon
    14. Corey Graves
    15. Michael Cole
    16. William Regal
    17. Eric Bischoff
    18. Paul Heyman
    19. Mr. Perfect
    20. Sunny
    21. Dok Hendrix
    22. Todd Pettingill
    23. Gorilla Monsoon
    24. Jesse Ventura
    25. Greg Hamilton

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    My list for anyone remotely interested...

    Purely WWF/E careers. Only of my time (Blassie and Albano for example don't make the cut as they were at the tail end of their careers when I started watching) No wrestlers who did interview segments (Piper, Jericho etc) and no people who were not seen on TV (Jim Johnson for example) and only main roster stuff.

    Notes attached to some for no reason other than it makes me feel better about the list!

    1. Bobby The Brain Heenan
    2. Mean Gene Okerlund
    3. Howard Finkel
    4. Sensational Sherri
    5. Jesse The Body Ventura
    6. Jimmy Hart
    7. Vince McMahon (As Mr McMahon, absolutely hated commentator Vince)
    8. Paul Heyman
    9. Paul Bearer
    10. Miss Elizabeth
    11. Gorilla Monsoon
    12. William Regal (As manager and commissioner, but he did wrestler occasionally during these times so....)
    13. Jim Ross
    14. Eric Bischoff
    15. Jerry The King Lawler (up until he left first time)
    16. Todd Pettingill (Despised him as a kid, looking back now I see he was actually damned good at his job)
    17. Jim Cornette (Would be number 1 if it was not just WWE)
    18. Vicky Guerrero
    19. Lord Alfred Hayes
    20. Zeb Coulter
    21. Jack Tunney (Crap but also really important. I like the uncharismatic stuffed suit commissioner type)
    22. Theodore Long (Manager mainly)
    23. Mr Fuji
    24. Brother Love
    25. Michael Cole (Another who is really good at his job but I cant stand him because of what he is told to do.)
    Nice list. I don't remember Theodore Long much as a manager. Who did he manage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Nice list. I don't remember Theodore Long much as a manager. Who did he manage?
    Rodney Mack, Jazz, and someone else I can't remember right now.

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    Mine was

    1) Brain
    2) Vince
    3) JR
    4) Sherri
    5) Gorilla
    6) Heyman
    7) Bischoff
    8) V Guerrero
    9) Paul Bearer
    10) Ventura
    11) Mean Gene
    12) Lawler
    13) Steph
    14) Regal
    15) Cornette
    16) Sunny
    17) Elizabeth
    18) Shane
    19) Jimmy Hart
    20) Flair
    21) Foley
    22) Finkel
    23) Sable
    24) Patterson
    25) Brisco

    In hindsight, I had Bischoff too high and Sunny probably too low...Foley as well.

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    I must be the only one who never liked JR.

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    Yup, you were the only one who didn't vote for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I must be the only one who never liked JR.
    Did you watch JR in his WWE heyday or are you a more recent fan catching up to past stuff?

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    I've seen him since WrestleMania IX. Just never did anything for me. I much prefer lawler, mcmahon, heenan, ventura, and monsoon. Think all of them are leaps and bounds better than jr.

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    Heyman is phenomenal. Just going off his WWE career from 2001-present day, it matches or maybe even eclipses anything he did in WCW and ECW.

    Jim Ross, arguably the best play by play man of all time despite Donald's claims that Greg fucking Hamilton is somehow more important to him than good ol' JR....

    VKM....greatest heel ever.

    Bobby Heenan as the #1 non-wrestler isn't a shock to me. Greatest manager ever, arguably the best heel despite me putting Vince at the top. Was the guy ever a true babyface? Maybe way the fuck back in the 70's. Some of the WCW commentator stuff could have been considered babyface-ish but barely. The Heenan Family was incredible, his time with Flair was the highlight of WWF 1991-1992.

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    I'd take JR over tazz though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Heyman is phenomenal. Just going off his WWE career from 2001-present day, it matches or maybe even eclipses anything he did in WCW and ECW.

    Jim Ross, arguably the best play by play man of all time despite Donald's claims that Greg fucking Hamilton is somehow more important to him than good ol' JR....

    VKM....greatest heel ever.

    Bobby Heenan as the #1 non-wrestler isn't a shock to me. Greatest manager ever, arguably the best heel despite me putting Vince at the top. Was the guy ever a true babyface? Maybe way the fuck back in the 70's. Some of the WCW commentator stuff could have been considered babyface-ish but barely. The Heenan Family was incredible, his time with Flair was the highlight of WWF 1991-1992.
    You can barely see the space between my forefinger and thumb for Vince and Heenan as #1 and #2 respectively. Maybe it was due to his position but overall impact was the deciding factor for me. Heenan did a shit ton as manager and commentator to get guys over but with Vince it was just bigger to me plus living vicariously through Austin wanting to punch the shit out of your boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'd take JR over tazz though
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    You can barely see the space between my finger and forethumb for Vince and Heenan as #1 and #2 respectively. Maybe it was due to his position but overall impact was the deciding factor for me. Heenan did a shit ton as manager and commentator to get guys over but with Vince it was just bigger to me plus living vicariously through Austin wanting to punch the shit out of your boss.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I must be the only one who never liked JR.
    Is it because he went to AEW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Is it because he went to AEW?
    Partly, I do have an unhealthy hatred of all things AEW, but he hasn't been any sort of good in years, even in his final WWE years. He's better than Saxton, Todd Phillips, and the like but there's just many names way ahead of him in the Best Announcer Of All Time list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Rodney Mack, Jazz, and someone else I can't remember right now.
    Other than those two Mark Henry and D-Lo Brown (down with the brown) mainly. Also had Chris Nowinski and Mark Jindrak for a bit. Possibly Rosey too.

    He did the White boy challenge where he got white people to wrestle Rodney Mack.

    I always enjoyed how he would throw his shoe in the ring at the referees in an attempt to distract them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Sorry I blitzed it today lads, but had to get this out as last day on my laptop with work.

    Some ideas for next year for Top 25 countdowns:-

    Best woman
    Best non-US wrestler
    Best tag teams
    Best promo
    Best match type
    Best matches
    Most influential
    Best PPVs
    Best/Silliest Gimmick
    Unintentionally hilarious moments
    Best theme music

    Happy to take requests?
    I hope you enjoy taking the rest of the year off.

    Consider maybe a Top Ten Wrestler with a recurring "talk show" segment.

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    1 Vince McMahon
    2 Bobby Heenan
    3 Jim Ross
    4 Gene Okerlund
    5 Gorilla Monsoon
    6 Howard Finkel
    7 Jesse Ventura
    9 Jerry Lawler
    10 Brother Love
    11 Earl Hebner
    12 Roddy Piper
    13 Paul Bearer
    14 Todd Pettengill
    15 Paul Heyman
    16 Mr. Fuji
    17 Jim Cornette
    18 Jimmy Hart
    19 Sunny
    20 Randy Savage
    21 Mike Chioda
    22 Miss Elizabeth
    23 Eric Bischoff
    24 Tony Schiavone
    25 Stu Hart
    25 Art Donovan

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    Look at the size of that guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Your list @Donald ;-


    1. Paul Bearer
    2. Miss Elizabeth
    3. Bobby Heenan
    4. Mean Gene
    5. Mr. Fuji
    6. Slick
    7. Jim Cornette
    8. Howard Finkel
    9. Jimmy Hart
    10. Jerry Lawler
    11. Rob Bartlet
    12. Macho Man
    13. Vince McMahon
    14. Corey Graves
    15. Michael Cole
    16. William Regal
    17. Eric Bischoff
    18. Paul Heyman
    19. Mr. Perfect
    20. Sunny
    21. Dok Hendrix
    22. Todd Pettingill
    23. Gorilla Monsoon
    24. Jesse Ventura
    25. Greg Hamilton
    I had to look up who the hell Rob Bartlet was again and why Donald had him over Vince lol

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    It I only moved slick up one spot he could have made the list.

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    I'm up for top silly gimmick. Non American I think us going to have lots of Canadians

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    I based Vince McMahon off of his commentary work, as heel Vince I considered a wrestler since he wrestled every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I based Vince McMahon off of his commentary work, as heel Vince I considered a wrestler since he wrestled every now and then.
    Unbelievable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I based Vince McMahon off of his commentary work, as heel Vince I considered a wrestler since he wrestled every now and then.
    He didn't just wrestle every now and then, he took a cue from Lawlor and booked himself to be the world champ. His father is probably still spinning in his grave for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    He didn't just wrestle every now and then, he took a cue from Lawlor and booked himself to be the world champ. His father is probably still spinning in his grave for that.
    That was just a one-off for part of the Austin/HHH storyline, it was vacated the week after.

    That was a pretty cool moment. If he actually kept and defended it then yeah that would be kinda bad lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Partly, I do have an unhealthy hatred of all things AEW, but he hasn't been any sort of good in years, even in his final WWE years. He's better than Saxton, Todd Phillips, and the like but there's just many names way ahead of him in the Best Announcer Of All Time list.
    Reading this, I flashed back to when they wheeled him out at Mania to commentate on the Reigns/Undertaker match. His wife had recently died and it sounded like he didn't want to be there.

    I understand he wasn't with WWE very long, but to my mind Joey Styles was one of the best PBP guys, just not to Vince's taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    Reading this, I flashed back to when they wheeled him out at Mania to commentate on the Reigns/Undertaker match. His wife had recently died and it sounded like he didn't want to be there.

    I understand he wasn't with WWE very long, but to my mind Joey Styles was one of the best PBP guys, just not to Vince's taste.
    I was extremely excited for Joey Styles in WWE until about the 3rd show it hit me that he was in WWE, not ECW, and they were about Michael Cole his ass. I really enjoyed his time there and his worked-shoot promo where he quit Raw or whatever was fucking dope.

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