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    Mikey - 1 (Fro)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Omar bulletproof would make a lot of sense thematically because he was very hard to kill in the show

    The only other thing I can think of is wee bey only has a X% successful hit rate?

    I can’t really think of a town character who would get away from a hit. Mind you there weren’t any hits by the gangs against cops in the show that I recall but Omar is really the only character who makes sense. Like if I was writing his mafia role I would make him bulletproof because he was basically a street superhero.

    Vote Mikey

    And i will add if Mikey is Omar then we can discuss if lynching him makes sense or not, maybe it doesn’t because he was for sure more of a menace to the dealers than the cops, but I’m going to place this vote for now because I do feel that’s the only explanation I can think of.
    knowing the source material as you do, if you think mikey is omar, which im in agreement with right now, i dont know why you would be voting for him unless you are scum. omar is a total menace to scum and actively helps the barksdale investigation after the crew kill brandon, providing testimony and wearing a wire. as town, we have zero incentive to lynch him, and doing so would probably kneecap us.

    vote fro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    knowing the source material as you do, if you think mikey is omar, which im in agreement with right now, i dont know why you would be voting for him unless you are scum. omar is a total menace to scum and actively helps the barksdale investigation after the crew kill brandon, providing testimony and wearing a wire. as town, we have zero incentive to lynch him, and doing so would probably kneecap us.

    vote fro.
    I mean I literally just acknowledged that and said we should discuss it, lol. Here’s my thought: even tho Omar didn’t kill cops in the show, if Omar has a one shot kill or multi shot kill, and targets town, what do you think will happen?

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    I'm open for discussion on this, but typically a neutral is considered a threat that we need to eliminate at some point.

    There was a whole discussion on this after timesplitter was the neutral a few games back, and questioned why he didn't win when we had taken out all the scum.

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    what is there to discuss? anybody with show knowledge would know there is zero need to discuss potentially lynching omar as a townie. i think trying to frame it as a thing to discuss and putting in a vote on him reads as a scum manipulation waaaaaaaay more than a cautious town.

    i wouldnt be surprised if there is something within the role, even if on the backend, that keeps omar from killing cops. it's the complete antithesis of the character.

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    Agree that only Omar would make sense as bulletproof.

    Unless we get info to indicate someone else is scum, I'd be inclined to go along with Fro here. Neutral is no friend friend of town IMO.

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    I only vote neutral if they are harmful to town. So if Mikey is neutral, he is clear in my eyes until further notice.

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    Yeah, it boils down to whether we think it's neutral role or not.

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    The 'whistling intensifies' on the first page undoubtedly signifies Omar but it's in yellow font, doesn't that normally mean second mafia rather than neutral?

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    Or does yellow mean neutral? I can't actually remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what is there to discuss? anybody with show knowledge would know there is zero need to discuss potentially lynching omar as a townie. i think trying to frame it as a thing to discuss and putting in a vote on him reads as a scum manipulation waaaaaaaay more than a cautious town.
    I place votes. It’s what I do. Especially when I think I’ve identified a non town member.

    I actually agree with your points about Omar since I was the first to bring them up. I’d be happy to discuss with you what Omar’s role or win condition might be (hint: if it was to defeat all barksdale members then he would be town) but apparently you think it’s not even discussion worthy. Okay.

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    Yellow could mean either. Depends on the game runner really.

    Omar being part of a second d mafia doesnt make sense from my memory of the show

    I'd also argue that just because omar in the show is a menace to the bad guys, in a mafia game it could go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWE View Post
    I only vote neutral if they are harmful to town. So if Mikey is neutral, he is clear in my eyes until further notice.
    Well he wouldnt be town.

    And he wouldnt be scum

    Omar would make a lot of sense as neutral, especially for season 1 wire.

    However he's absolutely got a kill power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I place votes. It’s what I do. Especially when I think I’ve identified a non town member.

    I actually agree with your points about Omar since I was the first to bring them up. I’d be happy to discuss with you what Omar’s role or win condition might be (hint: if it was to defeat all barksdale members then he would be town) but apparently you think it’s not even discussion worthy. Okay.
    discussing lynching him when we havent even eliminated or identified a single red scum is useless. talking about his role or win condition is worth kicking around. throwing a vote at him before any discussion takes place seems hasty for no reason.

    i imagine an omar win condition would be to kill avon barksdale.

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    So testy about 1 vote. It’s a big game, live a little.

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    it's all in the game, yo.

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    Is Mazer just good now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    If bubbles is a hider then mazer is cleared of being scum. But what happens if a hider hides behind neutral? I forget. Mazer could still be Omar.
    Although by the write up Maze wasn’t actually in his house so does that mean he’s not cleared?

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    With order of operations, hide would go before jail, so I believe any effects would be relevant.

    But if one of the experienced gamerunners knows differently, throw in.

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    Gee...

    If only there were an experienced game runner around...



    Nah mate I’ve never run a straight game in my life so that’s why I question everything

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    So if neither of the options are going to pan out then what direction should we go? Time is running down and us just going in circles has to be music to scum's ears.

    Vote Caito

    Let's stir some shit up town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Oo the edited bit

    "A really hungover Bunk Moreland sits down at his desk to discover a letter. "Oh yeah, I forgot I asked for that!""

    Maybe JP wasn't cleared yesterday then.
    I wouldn't have been cleared yesterday anyway, as there'll almost certainly be a Godfather role.

    I don't think this is a delay on the investigation results though. With a scum team this big you'd need same night results, so I think this is something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Gee...

    If only there were an experienced game runner around...



    Nah mate I’ve never run a straight game in my life so that’s why I question everything
    I've never played one of yours, but yeah that was my assumption

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    So if neither of the options are going to pan out then what direction should we go? Time is running down and us just going in circles has to be music to scum's ears.

    Vote Caito

    Let's stir some shit up town.
    why Caito?

    but yes I agree, we should think about a strategy here given that 16 hours have passed and no info has come to light yet.

    unvote

    VOTE: WARDY

    wardy was blocked last night (if we believe herc/carver perform a RB function, which I do). that rules him out of 8 or 9 town roles by my count. he also stated his support for lynching Omar, which scum would be apt to do.

    I think the odds on him as scum are very high.

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    I looked at the Player list, didn't recall hearing much from him yet and really was just taking a Day 1 shot in the dark.

    I do like your wardy reasoning though. In fact, I like it enough to switch it up and see how this shakes out.

    Unvote

    Vote wardy

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    Lads please don't force this.

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    Have to go along with most of what I've read. Don't think I've ever seen a neutral who can't/won't kill town and we ought to be wary of concentrating too much on the lore for character motivations.
    Hide before jail sounds reasonable, no idea why Bunk would get info the day after (apart from what's in the flavour).
    Damnit, I'll need to spreadsheet this one.

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    Vote Mikey

    Mafia isn't a 1:1 correlation to the source material so just because Omar doesn't kill cops in the show doesn't mean he wouldn't in this game.

    So, if Mikey is neutral he is a threat to town.

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    Vote Fro

    Unusual logic if, going by the lore, Omar isn't a threat to town.

    I can't say why I didn't die but I'm obviously grateful I didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Vote Mikey

    Mafia isn't a 1:1 correlation to the source material so just because Omar doesn't kill cops in the show doesn't mean he wouldn't in this game.

    So, if Mikey is neutral he is a threat to town.
    Agreed.

    Vote Mikey

    Willing to change if we get scum info though obviously.

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    vote wardy. I wanna see what we are "forcing"

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    Vote wardy

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    Scum often put heat onto people they think are neutral in an attempt to divert attention away from themselves. There's a few assumptions on the potential character MIkey has and maybe he is Omar. But even if we presume he is, we've seen nothing to indicate he's a threat to town. More than that, neutral counts as town in the town/scum divide, unless we see evidence of a threat why would we hurt our own chances by thinning our own field?

    Fro's reasoning for Mikey was poor, but I think he might have trying to stir up some action, especially given how he moved on to wardy. wardy I'll give a pass to for now as he seemed a bit spoked of a potential train on him and so jumping on another going anywhere isn't too sus.

    Bert though, he knows about Survivors being a thing and that they're not always a threat, so him saying neutral is definitely a threat to town is a bit of a red flag for me. This is more me indicating my thinking for call backs and if I die, but that's where my vote's going for now.

    Vote: Bert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_Jones View Post
    Vote Fro

    Unusual logic if, going by the lore, Omar isn't a threat to town.

    I can't say why I didn't die but I'm obviously grateful I didn't

    Want to make sure I've read this right-
    Can't say because unknown effect or because you can't get into it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_Jones View Post
    Vote Fro

    Unusual logic if, going by the lore, Omar isn't a threat to town.

    I can't say why I didn't die but I'm obviously grateful I didn't
    This seems like a vague answer that is pretty similar to how Mikey was when he was Queen Koopa scum hiding in my game. Not totally sold yet but something to keep a eye on.

    If Fro's logic on wardy being ruled out of 8 or 9 town roles is true then I think this would be a good shot to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Scum often put heat onto people they think are neutral in an attempt to divert attention away from themselves. There's a few assumptions on the potential character MIkey has and maybe he is Omar. But even if we presume he is, we've seen nothing to indicate he's a threat to town. More than that, neutral counts as town in the town/scum divide, unless we see evidence of a threat why would we hurt our own chances by thinning our own field?

    Fro's reasoning for Mikey was poor, but I think he might have trying to stir up some action, especially given how he moved on to wardy. wardy I'll give a pass to for now as he seemed a bit spoked of a potential train on him and so jumping on another going anywhere isn't too sus.

    Bert though, he knows about Survivors being a thing and that they're not always a threat, so him saying neutral is definitely a threat to town is a bit of a red flag for me. This is more me indicating my thinking for call backs and if I die, but that's where my vote's going for now.

    Vote: Bert
    Even though survivors are nowhere near the threat of an SK they are still prone to going whichever way the wind is blowing.

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    I do get the idea behind both lynches though and both seem reasonable to me. Not sure which one I think is the bigger risk.

    For now I'll

    Vote Mikey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    This seems like a vague answer that is pretty similar to how Mikey was when he was Queen Koopa scum hiding in my game. Not totally sold yet but something to keep a eye on.

    If Fro's logic on wardy being ruled out of 8 or 9 town roles is true then I think this would be a good shot to take.
    It probably was vague and rushed because it was straight after work and I wanted to get a word in before I was quickly lynched. However, now I'm home:

    I disagree that's how I played when I was Princess Lana/hidden scum in Captain N Mafia. In my opinion, I was actively trying to be town and scum hunt during that game but obviously with an ulterior motive. It's too early in this game to really say how I've played but I've also not been involved much:

    - Started a third lynch train during D1 which didn't lead to anything
    - Missed most of the discussion with the Judge's decision


    To answer Mazer, I don't know why I survived/it's an unknown effect.

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    Actively hunting but you had that silent phase and then tried to play saying you had a post limit when you didn't in the later portion of the game. So active but I wouldn't say you were too active. I haven't switched my thought from wardy yet but I do think we should keep a eye on you.

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    That messes with me a bit. I really assumed you were bulletproof or something similar, and don't know why else you wouldn't be killed. I'll agree that it seems a really weird/stupid thing for scum to sacrifice an early kill for, and don't think you're red.

    There's part of me that wonders if you are bulletproof, and are deflecting the Omar heat. It would be understandable, but worrisome.

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    That was in reply to Mikey

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    Filling out my sheet now then doing some catch-up.

    Any theories on whether Lester's wiretap is actually a night action? Last time I saw that role, it was an any time action that couldn't be blocked, so I'm wondering whether we can actually clear people of being Lester if they were roleblocked.

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    Also, I've heard Omar, but anyone familiar with the show have any stabs on who the missing roles are? I've seen 5 scum mentioned, and if we assume Omar is in the game, that leaves 5 open slots unaccounted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    That's a lynch.

    PG - 12 (Jarrod, Mazer, Bert, virm, wardy, BBF, Jordo, Badger, Fro, King Diamond, Morrison, Caito)
    Mazer - 4 (Mikey, JP, CWE, Stan)
    That PG lynched gained really quick, and methinks scum realized they could easily get a PG lynch out of the way rather than trying to drum up interest in a Mazer lynch. From what I remember, wardy and Morrison seemed particularly pushy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    It’ll be interesting to see how it all shuffles down in the end, I’m always curious when these fixed vote things happen

    Always feel a bit sorry for the winner in a way as they’re automatically under a microscope
    I can't help but look at this post and go

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    That Rip post sounded fishy to me too tbh.

    As for missing folk: Lt Daniels and Prez are two prominent townie characters we haven't seen yet and Avon Barksdale is noticeably absent from the scum team.

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    Bodie too. Looks like scum have a pretty big team with only of them appearing so far.

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    one of them

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    I wanna add Judas to the mix here and get his take on all this too.

    Ain't heard a great deal from him thus far so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Actively hunting but you had that silent phase and then tried to play saying you had a post limit when you didn't in the later portion of the game. So active but I wouldn't say you were too active. I haven't switched my thought from wardy yet but I do think we should keep a eye on you.
    Vote limit, not post limit, but minor detail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_Jones View Post
    Vote limit, not post limit, but minor detail
    True. Not sold on this like I said just something to watch. I'm thinking wardy might be our best bet on odds, if Fro's thought holds true.

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    Vote Wardy for now

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    So I'm not currently on board with killing mikey. Could be a soft spot for omar in general but at the moment if mikey is Omar he hasn't hurt us yet.

    The JP vote on bert is interesting because JP lives in my head rent free when we play these games. I tossed my vote on bert day one for not much reason while also defending JP and then JP following up is interesting. Probably just my ego and my obsession with JP but the two events feel connected to me.

    The only other train I'm really feeling currently is wardy. I think mafia is holding roles back but it's not impossible herc and Carver snagged one.

    Vote Wardy.

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    Well maybe not one of the very stupidest, but definitely a stupid thing to do.

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    Is “stupidest” one of those words that isn’t really a word?

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    It's a perfectly cromulent word. Look it up.

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    Also, don't vote for me. I am town. Our most likely shot of hitting non-town is voting Mikey so do that instead.

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    Cromulent is a fun word. Can you trust someone that uses the word cromulent though?

    The voting seems to have slowly trickled in today. There wasn't much going from last night either. Scum is more than happy to not throw anyone out there so they don't put the spotlight on themselves. Like Psycho said they were probably content to lynch Peter and not make a push on Mazer because in the end a number from town is just that. If scum is a big group and wardy is part of that group I can see why there wouldn't be a big pile on. Just stall the time, get wardy through and keep their noses down.

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    I see no reason why wardy should be in the cross hairs other than paranoia. I also don't buy the Mikey situation yet but I'm all ears.

    JP does live in my head in these games the same as Rip does, expanding on what Jordo said a bit.

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    I'm only one episode into The Wire (I know what the fuck) but are there any surprise tertiary characters that could be a big deal theme wise?

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    Read through this again, because I wanted to wrap my head around it.

    Wardy's most concerning point to me was kinda how quickly his responses seemed to escalate. I haven't seen wardy pressed too often, but it did seem like it went to more forced appeal quick, back when it was just jarrod and Fro. I feel good when a person seems to be careful focused on getting it right (town would want to be right about an accusation, scum already knows what's happening).

    Fro and Jordo are aggressive on Mikey, but I'm not ready to call their logic wrong or dismiss. Characters are built on premise, but their powers can go different ways. So, worrying about a character with a likely kill, who has been identified as yellow seems at least non-crazy. And its Fro and Jordo. We know that they get aggressive with votes.

    I've backed off some on Mikey as Omar, since he says he's not bulletproof. I don't know if we're getting the whole story there, or if there's some non bulletproof element at play. I think the story needs vetted.

    Given the choice between the two, I'm most on Wardy based on my read. Anyone seen wardy act differently previously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    I'm only one episode into The Wire (I know what the fuck) but are there any surprise tertiary characters that could be a big deal theme wise?
    I am about 2 episodes into Season 2. Am glad I never heard of it before because now I can binge the whole dam thing.

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    Can someone with a spreadsheet verify what Fro said about wardy being crossed off of 8 or 9 town roles please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Can someone with a spreadsheet verify what Fro said about wardy being crossed off of 8 or 9 town roles please?
    If No one has answered by the time I get off work, I will. Left my sheet at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Read through this again, because I wanted to wrap my head around it.

    Wardy's most concerning point to me was kinda how quickly his responses seemed to escalate. I haven't seen wardy pressed too often, but it did seem like it went to more forced appeal quick, back when it was just jarrod and Fro. I feel good when a person seems to be careful focused on getting it right (town would want to be right about an accusation, scum already knows what's happening).

    Fro and Jordo are aggressive on Mikey, but I'm not ready to call their logic wrong or dismiss. Characters are built on premise, but their powers can go different ways. So, worrying about a character with a likely kill, who has been identified as yellow seems at least non-crazy. And its Fro and Jordo. We know that they get aggressive with votes.

    I've backed off some on Mikey as Omar, since he says he's not bulletproof. I don't know if we're getting the whole story there, or if there's some non bulletproof element at play. I think the story needs vetted.

    Given the choice between the two, I'm most on Wardy based on my read. Anyone seen wardy act differently previously?
    My point earlier about Mikey is he is very sly and was pretty good at stretching the truth to fit his needs. I'm not totally sold on him yet but we should be wary.

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    I can definitely see the Omar logic. Detective Greggs got shot in Season One as well and didn’t die, just throwing that out there as a bulletproof possibility. I’m more wary of how Mikey plays as well like how he was trying to play me in the Videoland game.

    Based on odds and crossing off roles, maybe wardy’s a good shot but not sure if there’s any other scummy vibes off him other than getting on the Griffin train but then a few of us were. My worry is this turns out like Griffin and he comes under the bus just because technically roles can be crossed off while the real scum are staying quiet.

    I’m also wondering if McNulty will have to wait for the BBF result like with the JP result. Both Bunk and McNulty were known for getting shitfaced so them being ON and EN drunk cops would make sense in the lore.

    Freamon’s an interesting role as well, maybe he can see scum actions with the “wire tap” Pres was good at cracking codes too but he hasn’t come into play yet.

    Hard one to spreadsheet with roles missing, but then I guess it’s been made that way to look more challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    My point earlier about Mikey is he is very sly and was pretty good at stretching the truth to fit his needs. I'm not totally sold on him yet but we should be wary.
    He embiggened that role with his cromulent performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Read through this again, because I wanted to wrap my head around it.

    Wardy's most concerning point to me was kinda how quickly his responses seemed to escalate. I haven't seen wardy pressed too often, but it did seem like it went to more forced appeal quick, back when it was just jarrod and Fro. I feel good when a person seems to be careful focused on getting it right (town would want to be right about an accusation, scum already knows what's happening).

    Fro and Jordo are aggressive on Mikey, but I'm not ready to call their logic wrong or dismiss. Characters are built on premise, but their powers can go different ways. So, worrying about a character with a likely kill, who has been identified as yellow seems at least non-crazy. And its Fro and Jordo. We know that they get aggressive with votes.

    I've backed off some on Mikey as Omar, since he says he's not bulletproof. I don't know if we're getting the whole story there, or if there's some non bulletproof element at play. I think the story needs vetted.

    Given the choice between the two, I'm most on Wardy based on my read. Anyone seen wardy act differently previously?
    That's just my personality, I get excited very easily. If you look back on previous games, I'm sure I'll display similar behaviour regardless of what side I'm on. I'm also very impatient and also not scum. Please believe me on this.

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    See Badger's using that word too now. He's sly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    So I'm not currently on board with killing mikey. Could be a soft spot for omar in general but at the moment if mikey is Omar he hasn't hurt us yet.

    The JP vote on bert is interesting because JP lives in my head rent free when we play these games. I tossed my vote on bert day one for not much reason while also defending JP and then JP following up is interesting. Probably just my ego and my obsession with JP but the two events feel connected to me.

    The only other train I'm really feeling currently is wardy. I think mafia is holding roles back but it's not impossible herc and Carver snagged one.

    Vote Wardy.
    That's far from aggressive towards mikey. I mean if he kills town fuck em let's murder him but my vote sits on wardy.

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    Mazer can talk a fish out of water. You can't trust a dude like that this early.

    I can't trust anybody! I don't know any of you people! We're all over the place and it's tearing us all apart!!1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I can definitely see the Omar logic. Detective Greggs got shot in Season One as well and didn’t die, just throwing that out there as a bulletproof possibility. I’m more wary of how Mikey plays as well like how he was trying to play me in the Videoland game.

    Based on odds and crossing off roles, maybe wardy’s a good shot but not sure if there’s any other scummy vibes off him other than getting on the Griffin train but then a few of us were. My worry is this turns out like Griffin and he comes under the bus just because technically roles can be crossed off while the real scum are staying quiet.

    I’m also wondering if McNulty will have to wait for the BBF result like with the JP result. Both Bunk and McNulty were known for getting shitfaced so them being ON and EN drunk cops would make sense in the lore.

    Freamon’s an interesting role as well, maybe he can see scum actions with the “wire tap” Pres was good at cracking codes too but he hasn’t come into play yet.

    Hard one to spreadsheet with roles missing, but then I guess it’s been made that way to look more challenging.
    SPOILERS

    very scummy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    That's far from aggressive towards mikey. I mean if he kills town fuck em let's murder him but my vote sits on wardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    Ah ok, ya that all makes sense. Fuck I'm a bit more rusty on this source material than I thought

    Why the fuck do we always seem to find the neutral killers so quick? Seems like every game we figure it out then spend days debating if we should kill them or not
    More th e early statements than your vote. Not crazy killmonger, but seemed like you definitely had an opinion. But that's the kiddo I know, rather than "golly, gosh" from justice league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Ah well at least Griffin was only a bus driver.

    Seems like we could've got a lot of info.
    This feels forced and unnatural.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    what is there to discuss? anybody with show knowledge would know there is zero need to discuss potentially lynching omar as a townie. i think trying to frame it as a thing to discuss and putting in a vote on him reads as a scum manipulation waaaaaaaay more than a cautious town.

    i wouldnt be surprised if there is something within the role, even if on the backend, that keeps omar from killing cops. it's the complete antithesis of the character.
    I agree with this. I don't consider it inherently scummy, but I think targeting a neutral is pretty anti-town at this point. Technically we don't know if they exist in the game, and if there's a chance their win condition is independent of killing townies, then it ends up being more of a distraction from the actual goal. And even if Omar is in the game, there's always a chance Mikey is just a townie, too. If he's bulletproof, though, he's most certainly not scum, and I'm not really about lynching him today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Agree that only Omar would make sense as bulletproof.

    Unless we get info to indicate someone else is scum, I'd be inclined to go along with Fro here. Neutral is no friend friend of town IMO.
    Oof, wardy is really thirsty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    This feels forced and unnatural.
    Think why that could be if I'm town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Is Mazer just good now?
    Likely, but hiders act weird sometimes. Chance to be a neutral, or a scum that can't kill. But I'd say 8 times out of 10, Mazer's clear here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    So if neither of the options are going to pan out then what direction should we go? Time is running down and us just going in circles has to be music to scum's ears.

    Vote Caito

    Let's stir some shit up town.
    Interesting choice. He has been very low-key

    Any specific thoughts here, or just poking around to buck against the trends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    why Caito?

    but yes I agree, we should think about a strategy here given that 16 hours have passed and no info has come to light yet.

    unvote

    VOTE: WARDY

    wardy was blocked last night (if we believe herc/carver perform a RB function, which I do). that rules him out of 8 or 9 town roles by my count. he also stated his support for lynching Omar, which scum would be apt to do.

    I think the odds on him as scum are very high.
    Between him and Mazer, they have a lot of town roles cleared off, and hasn't been hidden behind, so it's one of the safest bets we have. It doesn't help that the thread behavior has been sketchy at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    Have to go along with most of what I've read. Don't think I've ever seen a neutral who can't/won't kill town and we ought to be wary of concentrating too much on the lore for character motivations.
    Hide before jail sounds reasonable, no idea why Bunk would get info the day after (apart from what's in the flavour).
    Damnit, I'll need to spreadsheet this one.
    Feels a bit hollow and summary-like. Like, "Yeah, guys, I agree with everything that's been said. This game's confusing, huh?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Vote Mikey

    Mafia isn't a 1:1 correlation to the source material so just because Omar doesn't kill cops in the show doesn't mean he wouldn't in this game.

    So, if Mikey is neutral he is a threat to town.
    Noted

    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Agreed.

    Vote Mikey

    Willing to change if we get scum info though obviously.
    Doubly noted.

    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    vote wardy. I wanna see what we are "forcing"
    Triple noted (in a good way)

    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Scum often put heat onto people they think are neutral in an attempt to divert attention away from themselves. There's a few assumptions on the potential character MIkey has and maybe he is Omar. But even if we presume he is, we've seen nothing to indicate he's a threat to town. More than that, neutral counts as town in the town/scum divide, unless we see evidence of a threat why would we hurt our own chances by thinning our own field?

    Fro's reasoning for Mikey was poor, but I think he might have trying to stir up some action, especially given how he moved on to wardy. wardy I'll give a pass to for now as he seemed a bit spoked of a potential train on him and so jumping on another going anywhere isn't too sus.

    Bert though, he knows about Survivors being a thing and that they're not always a threat, so him saying neutral is definitely a threat to town is a bit of a red flag for me. This is more me indicating my thinking for call backs and if I die, but that's where my vote's going for now.

    Vote: Bert
    After seeing that vote, I'm definitely wanting to look back on Bert. I could be persuaded to this vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Even though survivors are nowhere near the threat of an SK they are still prone to going whichever way the wind is blowing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    I do get the idea behind both lynches though and both seem reasonable to me. Not sure which one I think is the bigger risk.

    For now I'll

    Vote Mikey
    This is kind of an uncharacteristic take from Pablo. I would have expected him to be on the anti-neutral train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    More th e early statements than your vote. Not crazy killmonger, but seemed like you definitely had an opinion. But that's the kiddo I know, rather than "golly, gosh" from justice league.

    But keep watching. I've been working out more, and I hope you appreciate it
    That golly gosh shit killed me into not really playing that game lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Interesting choice. He has been very low-key

    Any specific thoughts here, or just poking around to buck against the trends?
    I had just got to work and noticed we're treading water so looked at the Player list, Caito's name is where my eye went and I didn't recall hearing much from him yet. Really just Day 1 fishing. Fro persuaded me on wardy with his claim of wardy being crossed of 8 or 9 town roles. So I switched. I'd say the vote on wardy has sorta stalled too so we might be onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    That messes with me a bit. I really assumed you were bulletproof or something similar, and don't know why else you wouldn't be killed. I'll agree that it seems a really weird/stupid thing for scum to sacrifice an early kill for, and don't think you're red.

    There's part of me that wonders if you are bulletproof, and are deflecting the Omar heat. It would be understandable, but worrisome.
    If there's more to the role, it wouldn't be too uncommon for the bulletproof to be a hidden modifier. It's something that's often mixed into the mod notes unless it's the main aspect of their role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    That Rip post sounded fishy to me too tbh.

    As for missing folk: Lt Daniels and Prez are two prominent townie characters we haven't seen yet and Avon Barksdale is noticeably absent from the scum team.
    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Bodie too. Looks like scum have a pretty big team with only of them appearing so far.
    I may slot those three into the empty spots with question marks for now.

    Also, you agreeing with me about that Rip post does make me "hmm" a bit about my suspicion on you.

    What's a big scum team to you, by the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Diamond View Post
    I wanna add Judas to the mix here and get his take on all this too.

    Ain't heard a great deal from him thus far so...
    Judas is usually quiet regardless of alignment. But I agree he should get his ass in here and weigh in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I may slot those three into the empty spots with question marks for now.

    Also, you agreeing with me about that Rip post does make me "hmm" a bit about my suspicion on you.

    What's a big scum team to you, by the way?
    Well by my reckoning there is at least a 7-strong mafia. I was scum like 3-4 games in a row and don't recall the team ever being that big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Also, don't vote for me. I am town. Our most likely shot of hitting non-town is voting Mikey so do that instead.
    I don't really like how quickly you started breaking down here and then specifically want to flip the vote onto Mikey rather than considering other people to be scummy. Especially knowing what we know about Mikey's potential role.

    He may have the highest chance of being non-town other than you, but he also has a much higher chance of being non-scum, as opposed to you who is open to everyone but Wee-bey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Cromulent is a fun word. Can you trust someone that uses the word cromulent though?

    The voting seems to have slowly trickled in today. There wasn't much going from last night either. Scum is more than happy to not throw anyone out there so they don't put the spotlight on themselves. Like Psycho said they were probably content to lynch Peter and not make a push on Mazer because in the end a number from town is just that. If scum is a big group and wardy is part of that group I can see why there wouldn't be a big pile on. Just stall the time, get wardy through and keep their noses down.
    This. And on the point of that PG lynch, that's why I think there's likely one or two scum in the middle of that wagon. Those that started it are a bit more clear, but the one's in the middle who pile on to pour on the gasoline are questionable. For me, that's between the wardy, BBF, Jordo, Badger, Fro range. I think Jordo is good right now with some of the posts he's making. He's aggressive, but thoughtful, and I think that's indicative of a thinking town. I haven't found a strong reason to sus Badger that I can remember, but everyone else has some decent potential. I still think BBF is shady, too, but wardy seems the best call.

    But I think it would be worth looking into everyone on the PG train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    I see no reason why wardy should be in the cross hairs other than paranoia. I also don't buy the Mikey situation yet but I'm all ears.

    JP does live in my head in these games the same as Rip does, expanding on what Jordo said a bit.
    Why would you see Mikey as someone to hear about but not wardy when wardy is factually unable to be at least half the town roles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Read through this again, because I wanted to wrap my head around it.

    Wardy's most concerning point to me was kinda how quickly his responses seemed to escalate. I haven't seen wardy pressed too often, but it did seem like it went to more forced appeal quick, back when it was just jarrod and Fro. I feel good when a person seems to be careful focused on getting it right (town would want to be right about an accusation, scum already knows what's happening).

    Fro and Jordo are aggressive on Mikey, but I'm not ready to call their logic wrong or dismiss. Characters are built on premise, but their powers can go different ways. So, worrying about a character with a likely kill, who has been identified as yellow seems at least non-crazy. And its Fro and Jordo. We know that they get aggressive with votes.

    I've backed off some on Mikey as Omar, since he says he's not bulletproof. I don't know if we're getting the whole story there, or if there's some non bulletproof element at play. I think the story needs vetted.

    Given the choice between the two, I'm most on Wardy based on my read. Anyone seen wardy act differently previously?
    I can't think of a specific meta difference here from what I've seen from wardy, but in general, the quick escalation always makes me feel like it's either a new player or a caught scum. wardy is no longer the former.

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    Would have expected me or wouldn't have expected me.

    Because I am on the anti-neutral train. At best they are a true neutral, but even then they can be swayed to be the last vote on a lynch that finishes things for town. At worst they're an SK.

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    My hesitation only lies in whether Mikey is Omar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    Think why that could be if I'm town.
    I honestly can't think of a reason that would be if you are town. Even if you're trying to be shady to protect your role, you'd be laying it on so thick that you've got yourself into a lynch. And I don't think you'd go that hard if that was your reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Would have expected me or wouldn't have expected me.

    Because I am on the anti-neutral train. At best they are a true neutral, but even then they can be swayed to be the last vote on a lynch that finishes things for town. At worst they're an SK.
    Wouldn't have. I would have thought town!Pablo would see an attempt to lynch a neutral as a distraction this early. I just feel that trying to lynch a neutral that hasn't killed at this stage of the game doesn't help our position at all.

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    Yeah, so I'm gonna go ahead and

    Vote wardy

    I'm a bit hesitant that he could actually be a good town role that is freaking out about stepping in it, but it feels too forced and panicked. Two nights where we've only seen one scum, no neutrals, and he's been blocked and has the least amount of roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Wouldn't have. I would have thought town!Pablo would see an attempt to lynch a neutral as a distraction this early. I just feel that trying to lynch a neutral that hasn't killed at this stage of the game doesn't help our position at all.
    I may be thinking too much flavour and knowing the story. But I cannot see Omar as just a survivor. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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