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    Just an FYI, we aren't waiting for me. I sent my may or may not have sent my role in within 10-15 minutes after the last write-up.

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    Yeah, you're waiting for me.

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    Night seven
    The remaining defenders set to work. Olga held up TimeSplitter for the night, and E.E. also chose TimeSplitter to hide behind.
    Otacon chose Psycho to watch over and looked out for possible threats to him.

    Day 8 has begun. With seven players, 4 is a majority.

    1. Badger
    2. Jarrod1983
    3. TimeSplitter
    4. Jordo
    5. Mazer
    6. Psycho
    7. Caito

    Dead
    CWE – Mei Ling, ON motion detector
    Wardy – Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin
    HFR – the Colonel, Bus driver turned stump
    Kangus – Rosemary, doctor
    kdestiny – Raiden, JOAT
    JP – Fortune, Dead Cell roleblocker
    Fro – Solid Snake, cop
    Pablo Diablo – Solidus Snake, Godfather
    lotjx – President Johnson, doublevoter

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    Can this be over now?

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    Every post closer to the end is one post closer to where JP reams the fuck out of me for creating a game with less balance than a one-legged man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    Every post closer to the end is one post closer to where JP reams the fuck out of me for creating a game with less balance than a one-legged man.
    You just picked up a new quote for your intro page.

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    I have a few thoughts, but I'll save them since I don't want to role claim.

    Vote: No Lynch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I hope a quote of mine from dead chat about Rip made mine ��
    I need to go back and find that one. I only copied and pasted from this thread.

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    You don’t exactly have long to save them TS... out with your thoughts

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    Well,since 1/3 of the votes are for No Lynch i think it is time to talk.

    The game should've been over when Pablo was lynched. The person you are looking for is Neutral, and in these games Neutral people are awarded a co-victory when the scum have been eliminated. Neutral win conditions say "make it to the end of the game"

    Here is what Stan said about winning in this game's rules:

    7) To win, you have to do the following. For those in Town, not only do you have to survive, but you also have to eliminate all members of the Mafia. For those in Mafia, not only do you have to survive, but you also have to become the majority of players. Some players may have unique win conditions, including Neutral roles.

    Fatman is not in the mafia, he is self-aligned in the rules. Everything else is a direct role claim, and what may or may not be listed on my initial role PM.

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    EBWOP. Self-aligned is not designated as needed to be eliminated for town on end conditions in the game rules.

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    Oh, don't be mistaken, i'm not saying don't vote for me. This is why I said my thoughts were more for post-game than during.

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    I’ve played the game many a times

    MANY

    Fatman isn’t a lawyer

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    Vote TimeSplittahhhhhh!

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    Just because a character isn't a lawyer doesn't mean that I as a player cannot make a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Oh, don't be mistaken, i'm not saying don't vote for me. This is why I said my thoughts were more for post-game than during.
    I think that mostly comes down to him copying my rules which were largely copied from an old game of Mr_Nobody's. But it's pretty well accepted that a town's wincon is "Eliminate all threats to town." Fatman is very much a threat to town.

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    You know, since he was trying to kill them


    SNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKE!!!!!!

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    The rules state that the game ends when the [color-red]mafia[/color]. It doesn't say both mafia and self aligned characters.

    I'm already at the vote count, so it really doesn't matter what I say. It should've been clear that self-aligned characters needed to be eliminated as well.

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    Vote Count:
    No lynch - 1 (TimeSplitter)
    Timesplitter - 5 (Caito, Badger, Mazer, Psycho, Jarrod)

    We have a lynch.
    I should have posted this an hour ago, but I was busy editing the next post. God knows how many further edits I will need when I paste it here.

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    ENDGAME
    Fatman had kept them alert, misdirected them, dragged the situation out in an attempt to survive. But he couldn’t keep it up forever. The crowd caught up to him, dragged him to the helipad on strut E, and shot him.

    Fatman sat up against a package crate, wheezing. Blood stains spread across the blast suit.
    - My suit...Oh no... I’ve nothing to wear to the party...
    - The party’s over for you.
    - That’s what you think.
    - What do you mean?

    Fatman extends one hand and presses a button of some sort. An electric beep sounds.
    - What did you just do? What is this?

    Olga grabs the device from Fatman’s hand. Fatman stares at his own slender fingers.
    - I have beautiful hands. These delicate hands can craft works of art.

    Ames removes Fatman’s collar, exposing his ugly face. He then grills the now fading Fatman.
    - Answer me! What the hell is this?
    - It’s the switch for the biggest bomb in this entire place.
    - !?

    E.E. tries to destroy the controller.
    - No use. Once it’s activated there’s no stopping the count.
    - Where did you plant it?
    - Somewhere in this area. Don’t worry, it’s very close by.

    Sasaki pushes the barrel of his gun against Fatman’s temple
    - Where is it?
    - Go ahead, shoot me. I’m already dead...
    - Damn!
    - Think you can find it? When it goes off, it’ll take the Big Shell with it.
    - Tell me where I can find the bomb.
    - That’s your problem.

    He starts to laugh out loud in unadulterated glee.
    - This is the highlight of the party. Bring it on I say. They’ll be happy too. I die here – and start my legend. Too bad you won’t be around to see the movie... “Laugh and grow fat!”

    Timesplitter dies, his face still wreathed in a grotesque smile.

    The survivors look around panicked, when suddenly a helicopter buzzes into view. The Kamov is piloted by none other than Hal Emmerich/Otacon. No sooner does it touch down before everyone piles on board and the chopper takes off again, heading as far away from the big shell as quickly as possible. After 30 seconds the sky lights up and a second after that, the shockwave from the explosion buffets the Kamov. Looking out of the side door, they can see big shell buckle and crumple, struts falling and the whole structure tearing itself apart, before sinking beneath the waves.
    Hal Emmerich holds on to his little sister’s (Emma Emmerich/E.E.) hand and says:
    -well, The Patriots aren’t going to like this.

    YOUR WINNERS:
    Jarrod1983 – Otacon, ON watcher
    Caito – E.E., Hider
    Mazer – Richard Ames, EN Bodyguard
    Jordo – Peter Stillman, EN Tracker
    Psycho666Soldier – Olga Gurlukovich, Roleblocker
    Badger – Johnny Sasaki, 1x Vig

    DEAD/MIA
    CWE – Mei Ling, ON motion detector
    Wardy – Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin
    HFR – the Colonel, Bus driver turned stump
    Kangus – Rosemary, doctor
    kdestiny – Raiden, JOAT
    JP – Fortune, Dead Cell roleblocker
    Fro – Solid Snake, cop
    Pablo Diablo – Solidus Snake, Godfather
    lotjx – President Johnson, doublevoter
    TimeSplitter – Fatman, neutral serial killer

    EPILOGUE
    A Metal Gear RAY powers its way through the water, Revolver Ocelot at the controls. His mission as a Patriot agent accomplished, he heads back to report to his masters. Suddenly Ocelot’s right arm starts to move convulsively, and points the barrel of his gun straight at his own temple.
    - U-urgh!! This damn right arm – Liquid!

    Ocelot tries, in vain, to restrain the runaway arm. Finally, he injects a tranquilizer into his own arm and manages to bring it under control.
    - It’s almost as if it’s having its revenge -!! The best transplant surgery team in the world? - I never trust a Frenchman.

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    A Metal Gear game where Otacon doesnt maniacally weep seems strange.

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    Fro, you are Solid Snake, Town cop. Each night phase, you may target one player in the game to investigate them. You will receive a result of "Town", "Anti-town", or "No Result". You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

    kdestiny, you are Raiden, Town Jack-Of-All-Trades. Each night phase, you may use one of four one-shot abilities. These are cop (reveals player alignment), doctor (protects one player from kills), roleblocker (stops player from performing activity), vigilante (target one player to kill). You win if all threats to the town are eliminated. [Mod note – Hated modifier]

    Kangus, you are Rosemary, Town doctor. Each night phase, you may choose a player and protect them from harm. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Jarrod1983, you are Hal Emmerich (Otacon), ON Town watcher. Starting night 1, each odd night phase, you may choose a player and find out who targeted them. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Caito, you are Emma Emmerich (E.E.), Town hider. Each night phase, you may choose a player and hide behind them, free from harm. However, if that player performs a kill or is killed, you will also die. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Mazer, you are Richard Ames, EN Town bodyguard. Starting N2, each even night phase, you may choose a player and protect them. If they are targeted, you will die instead. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Jordo, you are Pete Stillman, EN Town tracker. Starting N2, each even night phase, you may choose a player and find out who they targeted. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Psycho, you are Olga Gurlukovich, Town roleblocker. Each night phase, you may choose a player and block them from performing any action. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    HFR you are the Colonel, Town bus driver. Each night phase, you may choose two players. Any actions performed on one player will target the other, and vice versa. In addition, you can choose to become a tree stump. You will lose your powers and vote, but may still post in the game thread. PM me if you wish to do this in the day phase. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. [Mod Note – If stumped, has to include strange colonel quotes in each post]

    lotjx, you are President James Johnson, Town doublevoter. Each day phase, you may vote twice. These votes can be for the same player, or different players. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.[Mod Note – I forgot to tell him here to communicate one vote to me privately]

    Badger, you are Johnny Sasaki, Town vigilante. Any night phase, you may choose to kill another player. This ability is one-shot. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    CWE, you are Mei Ling, ON Town motion detector. Starting N1, each night phase, you may choose a player and find out what actions they performed or were performed on them. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

    Pablo Diablo, you are George Sears A.K.A. Solidus Snake, Mafia godfather. Your appearance as the former US president gives you immunity to cop investigations and you will appear as Town. You win when your faction has a majority.

    Wardy, you are Vamp, mafia killer. Each night phase, you may choose a player to kill. In addition, you have a one-time strongman kill that cannot be blocked. You win when your faction has a majority. [Mod Note – gains 1x bulletproof if Fortune dies]

    JP, you are Fortune, Mafia roleblocker. Each night phase, you may choose a player and stop them from performing any actions. You win when your faction has a majority. [Mod Note – gains 1x bulletproof if Vamp dies]

    Timesplitter, you are Fatman, EN Neutral-aligned serial killer. Starting N2, each even night phase, you may choose one player to explode. You win if you survive to the end of the game. [Mod Note – becomes full time if all mafia defeated]

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    What a game. Good job, town, and good job to Mazer for making it more easy to find him as town that last phase when he seemed cornered.

    Fun game, Stan. I do think having a total of three protectives was a a bit much, and maybe not so many watcher/tracker like roles acting simultaneously, but even with that, I think the wardy Lynch really cornered scum. The logic was technically wrong, and the wagon built so quick that they probably didn't know what to do. Especially with James Johnson's extra vote piling on before they could even realize. We could have been looking at a very different game were it not for that.

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    Don't remember if I said it explicitly, but lotjx was my gut guess for JJ for a long time. It's a shame the previous phase went down the way it did, but at least it didn't completely cost us. Sorry, lotjx.

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    I'm still confused why the game continued after all the scum were defeated. All these notes clearly state Fatman being neutral. The rules said game ends once mafia are lynched.

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    Well, I tried to make it balanced, I really did, but 6 live townies by end-game tells its own story. I thought 25% non-town would be enough, but when scum started asking where their fourth player was, I realized I'd mucked up. At least Badger tried to make up for it by miscounting the number of factions.

    Poor CWE. It turns out using Vamp's strongman kill was the right move, but because Wardy was blocked, I had to be very careful how I wrote it up. Refer to it, but don't be too obvious. Why does JP think there's no doctor?

    Holy crap, is Psycho clairvoyant? (part 1)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Double vote likely belongs to James Johnson on first guess
    So kdestiny used his JOAT doctor, so we've got 2 doctors and 1 bodyguard tonight...damn, town.

    HFR finally confirmed his stump status (oh, the back and forth we had), and they've gone and lynched their doctor.
    Mafia are in the shit, but one of the two people who could bump them off in the night just killed the other.


    Holy crap, is Psycho clairvoyant? (part 2)
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    I can't help but keep laughing at the thought of the scum chat reaction. They must have been elated when they saw wardy roleblocked. For all intents and purposes, we didn't catch him for the right reason. But it's glorious nonetheless.

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    I saved town.

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    MVP - kdes played the JOAT really well, but Psycho's blocker was on point throughout. If he'd gone N1, mafia have a fighting chance

    Virm award - a couple of brain farts in game (Badger's blue on blue, lotjx not clearing himself, THERE IS NO DOCTOR), but probably me. Especially in light of TimeSplitter's last day revelation

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    I was going to say something about the fourth mafia member, too. My mind was set on there being a fourth member even before the snafu of how many unknown characters are left. But hey, sometimes you get into making town roles and you have too much fun with it. I have definitely been guilty of that. And again, had it not been for the wardy vote forcing every remaining scum into the POE, or me blocking their killer most nights, this game would have been much closer.

    Unfortunate about TimeSplitter, but these things happen. @TimeSplitter were you just trying to play the game pro-town in the hopes of surviving with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHHnFoley_Rulez View Post
    I saved town.
    Honestly, had we gone through on a Lynch of you, there's a good chance scum don't get blocked the following night. So that stump move was probably a good call on retrospect.

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    @Caito Dead cell as mafia writes itself, as does Fatman as SK, but do I leave in Ocelot or not? He's integral to the game story, but in the game he has his own agenda and notably, he's not a boss fight in 2.

    Ideas i nixed pre-game:
    If Snake investigates Otacon, they become masons.
    All mafia gain 1x bulletproof
    If Stillman tracks Fatman, they both die
    If Fatman kills Stillman, instant win
    Give Fatman three flavours of bomb: 1-normal bomb, 2-proximity (kills anyone who investigates him), 3-timer (kills recipient + whoever they interact with next night)

    Forgot scum chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/cR7LhqEWSFfy

    dead chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/NDK5pDpnFvyd6
    Last edited by Stan Accy; June 3rd, 2020 at 5:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    What a game. Good job, town, and good job to Mazer for making it more easy to find him as town that last phase when he seemed cornered.

    Fun game, Stan. I do think having a total of three protectives was a a bit much, and maybe not so many watcher/tracker like roles acting simultaneously, but even with that, I think the wardy Lynch really cornered scum. The logic was technically wrong, and the wagon built so quick that they probably didn't know what to do. Especially with James Johnson's extra vote piling on before they could even realize. We could have been looking at a very different game were it not for that.
    When you posted "we're coming for you fatman", I did think to myself "Damn. He's thinks its me".



    Appreciate that my fellow townies was patient enough for me to be able to work the night play. I honestly didn't expect my farewell post to have an effect, and was mostly setting up myself to fuck with Badger and Psych in later games. But there was patience, and there was enough of a trail. No broken heart or Deadpool to Collossus voice needed.



    I understood the sk/neutral dynamic to work here unless otherwise specified. But that was based on play, not reading. I do agree with Timesplitter on how our standard rules could be read. Might make sense for a default rules edit.



    Stan, thanks for a fun game. I'm always a fan of the secret game mechanics/mod notes. And these write-ups may be my favorites so far.



    Thanks all. Looking forward to perusing the chats.

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    Great Game. I still stand by not double voting due not knowing what Fatman's win condition was. Still..my Lynch came too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    @Caito Dead cell as mafia writes itself, as does Fatman as SK, but do I leave in Ocelot or not? He's integral to the game story, but in the game he has his own agenda and notably, he's not a boss fight in 2.

    Ideas i nixed pre-game:
    If Snake investigates Otacon, they become masons.
    All mafia gain 1x bulletproof
    If Stillman tracks Fatman, they both die
    If Fatman kills Stillman, instant win
    Give Fatman three flavours of bomb: 1-normal bomb, 2-proximity (kills anyone who investigates him), 3-timer (kills recipient + whoever they interact with next night)

    Forgot scum chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/cR7LhqEWSFfy

    dead chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/NDK5pDpnFvyd6


    So, the topic of Ocelot...... yeah, I would’ve found some way to include him. I don’t know what, I’m not a game runner in any way, but he is such an integral part of the entire series. He’s in every main console game. Maybe his own win criteria? Idk.

    i know looking at it at the start it prob looks balanced, but if i would’ve swapped ppl around, (simply game story wise) i prob would’ve taken out Mei Ling and put in Ocelot. Like I said, he is essential to the series, and while she does play a big part in 2 of the games, she is really only an Easter egg in MGS2.

    Granted, I’m probably looking at it slightly more “critically” cuz i do love these games so much, but still.

    was a good game Stan, run well all things considered.

    im just glad i hid behind the right ppl

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    We had good luck that ended up being shit luck. Wardy blocked. His kill goes through still because we strongmanned it. Didn’t use our own RB to not clear more people. Wardy still dead.

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    Can people stop giving JP ways to kill me.


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    Bahahaha haha


    “Stan, if you were a gymnast, the balance beam would be your enemy”





    ALL THE GIN!!!!!

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    Has JP been mafia 3 times in a row?


    I feel like JP's opening post each game needs to start with "Now guys, I know what you're thinking...."

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    Psych already covered it in the game but yeah me looking for scum lists was looking for people to vig. I ruled out Caito then my list came down to JP, Pablo or kdes. Pablo put up a hard defence for himself and also didn't pick up on why Jordo was defending him so bad til it was too late. Sorry about that man. After I sent Stan the kill PM I called it "Sasaki Shot" but "Here's Johnny!!" probably would've been better. Even better if the shot had worked.

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    Also the dead chat seemed....dead. Probably lacked Caito, Mazer and Rip on Schnapps.

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    Looking at the scum chat, while we mostly fluked into catching Vamp and the wagon built up quicker than it should, I don't think it was particularly "bad play". The logic behind my initial push was sound, and while I was fishing a bit, no one on the wagon felt like they had ulterior motives. So while it was a bit of luck, the logic that wardy was crossed off a lot of town roles and only one scum was active is a decent place to start.

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    To be as clear as I can possibly be, nothing I'm about to say is in anger or upset. The time and effort it takes to put these things together and run them is more than a lot of people realise. In terms of flavour and thematic flare, this was damn impressive. Stan's a great lad and a good game runner.

    That said...

    We never stood a chance. Like, not even a long shot.

    As a base in a one scum team game, you're generally looking for 25% scum for balancing purposes. That's 4/16, we had 3. Now, that's not an issue if you then overpower the scum in abilities. We got killer, RB and GF. Even with the strongman and my bulletproof (not so bulletproof), that's basic. Even then, that might not be a problem if town is under powered.

    Now, not sure if you noticed, but we didn't quite get that though. Instead, and it is making me laugh as I type this, we got the single most powerful town I can remember. Stan was Oprah, but instead of giving away cars, everybody was getting a protective, investigative or power role.

    I've just looked and even the SK was weakened.

    Ah well. We live, we learn.

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    Sorry CWE.xoxo

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    "Oh so now Psycho wants to show restraint."

    This quote from Dead Chat made me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Has JP been mafia 3 times in a row?


    I feel like JP's opening post each game needs to start with "Now guys, I know what you're thinking...."
    Me and wardy seem to be pegged by the universe as bastards who can never again be good.

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    Stan, I do also hope that the criticism hasn't swayed you off running more games. You do the MGS series justice, and I can't wait to play(or co-run) the next installment.

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    Also, Mazer, I hope my critique of your role usage didn't come off as you were using it badly. It was just a pretty unorthodox approach. Particularly the save on HFR when he was in your POE. I hadn't considered someone using that ability strictly to cross of roles.

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    The game turned to spreadsheet stuff so quick I as someone who wasn't keeping one got kind of lost. Also being "cleared" so early I kind of lost interest a little bit.

    That's on me.

    Maybe I should of been a little more forward about kdes but I really didn't want to expose who I was after I was cleared so heavily. Seemed like a great way to die quick.

    I also cleared psycho mistakenly first because somewhere in my head I decided that kdes had investigated him when he had actually just protected him.

    JP being scum like 3 games straight may change my read on him forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Stan, I do also hope that the criticism hasn't swayed you off running more games. You do the MGS series justice, and I can't wait to play(or co-run) the next installment.

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    Also, fun tidbit, I had intended to basically shitpost and make weak/unexplained votes to try and get reactions and also be a little more shady so I could protect my role and avoid death. But when I spearheaded the lynch on scum's strongman, I figured I was probably dead, so it was time to go into full-force mode. I'm shocked I made it to endgame.

    It's a shame I didn't get to be lazier longer.

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    Legit, I don't even remember the last time anyone tried to seriously lynch me. Let alone the last time I was properly scum.

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    What's this mythical endgame you speak of?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Also, Mazer, I hope my critique of your role usage didn't come off as you were using it badly. It was just a pretty unorthodox approach. Particularly the save on HFR when he was in your POE. I hadn't considered someone using that ability strictly to cross of roles.
    I didn't take it harshly. You had a take on best usage. And I definitely wasn't using it to really protect people. If nothing else, the conversation made me rethink a few probabilities and strategies. I honestly still would have probably played day 2 about the same. If nothing else, understanding the paradigms and approaches people use makes me a better player.

    n4 was the one where I went back and forth on offering myself up or not. In the end, I just thought I probably couldn't guess who mafia would target and worried about people flying under the radar.

    Turns out they would have targeted me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Psych already covered it in the game but yeah me looking for scum lists was looking for people to vig. I ruled out Caito then my list came down to JP, Pablo or kdes. Pablo put up a hard defence for himself and also didn't pick up on why Jordo was defending him so bad til it was too late. Sorry about that man. After I sent Stan the kill PM I called it "Sasaki Shot" but "Here's Johnny!!" probably would've been better. Even better if the shot had worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    You didn't say much. That coupled with me relying too much on others I figured you were silent after the HFR train was a bust. Me sorry.

    Next time I do a Jordo and vig on my gut.

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    Something everyone should take into account scum-reading kdestiny:

    He's always quiet.

    No matter the alignment. It makes it easy to want to sus him, which is why you gotta be careful with that sus.

    I shit you not, though, I had the thought after making that post to Badger, "I feel like I should add he shouldn't be vig'd, just in case" and got it in my head that there was no vig, and they wouldn't take that from my words.

    Cue Night Three...

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    That little sentence could've made all the difference!

    Sho6ld've just shot JP and be done with it but also thought "Surely not scum AGAIN?"

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    Unless he gives you a damn good reason not to, ALWAYS go with Occam's Razor.

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    Speaking of N3, was I actually targeted by town, scum and SK?

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    looks like.


    I told you that you were popular.


    I still think i should have picked up the hider target earlier. When you posted your thoughts on hider mechanic, I was pretty confident it was you. That was exactly the response I was hoping for when i called it out before. I was so focused on the confirmation, that I didn't go back and look at the implication of all those targets on N3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Unless he gives you a damn good reason not to, ALWAYS go with Occam's Razor.
    A game where you and JP swap alignments is going to be like "Opposite Day" on Spongebob.

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    I hope to draw mafia with Jordo some day.


    I don't think he dislikes me, but I do think he wants to kill me someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    looks like.


    I told you that you were popular.


    I still think i should have picked up the hider target earlier. When you posted your thoughts on hider mechanic, I was pretty confident it was you. That was exactly the response I was hoping for when i called it out before. I was so focused on the confirmation, that I didn't go back and look at the implication of all those targets on N3.

    I figured somebody would notice when I went in voting for TS for no legit reason in that one phase. So after that I started leaving little clues that I hoped someone would pick up on if I did get killed while hiding.

    Pabs was an obvious one, when I just said that we will have to see what he is hiding.

    You were a more difficult one, as basically somebody would have to remember the dead chat from I think Law and Gun, where we basically likened ourselves to muppet characters.

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    Jordo is just about reaching that perma-town status like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I figured somebody would notice when I went in voting for TS for no legit reason in that one phase. So after that I started leaving little clues that I hoped someone would pick up on if I did get killed while hiding.

    Pabs was an obvious one, when I just said that we will have to see what he is hiding.

    You were a more difficult one, as basically somebody would have to remember the dead chat from I think Law and Gun, where we basically likened ourselves to muppet characters.
    That was solid.

    Still pissed we missed the JP Wentworth 1-777-SCUMNOW song.


    I think Badger is approaching permatown status as well. Which makes him particularly dangerous. Look at his cuddly avatar. Who can stay mad? He was much more likely to get voted off when he had the Super Shredder avatar.



    In fairness, "I don't think he dislikes me, but I do think he wants to kill me someday" is probably how jarrod would describe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    You didn't say much. That coupled with me relying too much on others I figured you were silent after the HFR train was a bust. Me sorry.

    Next time I do a Jordo and vig on my gut.
    Didn't want to make myself a target.

    Just listen to the man next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Jordo is just about reaching that perma-town status like me.
    It's honestly bumming me out lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I hope to draw mafia with Jordo some day.


    I don't think he dislikes me, but I do think he wants to kill me someday.
    I don't dislike anyone I play mafia with. Doc made me legit angry during the bullshit game and even now Id tell you I like the guy.

    Im a softy

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    You'll never convince me killing quiet people isn't a good idea

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    JP was so obviously scum that I felt like it was a waste to investigate him. And that ended up being true - I didn't even have to out myself as cop for him to be lynched.

    When the wardy lynch went through it was game over. I don't care if scum had a 4th player, they were toast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I don't dislike anyone I play mafia with. Doc made me legit angry during the bullshit game and even now Id tell you I like the guy.

    Im a softy

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    You'll never convince me killing quiet people isn't a good idea
    I'm like that as well. And I like Jarrod. Good guy and second best ppv predictor on Rajah. I just feel like every game I'm the first person to say we need to check him out, as he often gets to the end with me having almost no read.

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    I um'd and ah'd about stumping myself.. because I felt like I could turn it around a bit.. Eventually I was so annoyed you were all so stubbornly stupid I eventually decided (yes, I decided for once) to be stumped.

    I was originally going to start claiming I had information fed to me each day (which would just turn out to be bollocks) because I thought we were going to lose anyway and I wanted to make Scum paranoid... but then I didn't both as it seems like we were on a roll.

    p.s. one day psycho will be scum.. and when that comes around.................... I'll probably make myself suspicious by not voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Didn't want to make myself a target.

    Just listen to the man next time!
    Ach bad big kills happen. That bloke that plsyef USA in the Covid game cracked a few eggs before getting the kill right if I do recall.

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    I was curious about the stumped thing, cuz the way it was written, Emma had something to do with that, which follows the game..... but here I was sitting there thinking “Did I do that somehow?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I was curious about the stumped thing, cuz the way it was written, Emma had something to do with that, which follows the game..... but here I was sitting there thinking “Did I do that somehow?”
    That’s what I thought too, like E.E had a one-off power to stump someone.

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    And that’s totally fair. But i think someone brought it up in game, but when I was legit the only one not voting for HFR, then he is stumped and EE is mentioned. So I was confused on whether I actually did it or not.

    Looking back it seems dumb, cuz how could I have?

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    I said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Unfortunate about TimeSplitter, but these things happen. @TimeSplitter were you just trying to play the game pro-town in the hopes of surviving with them?
    Yeah, especially when it was going so quickly. If I had known I needed to be eliminated as well, I would've used my night actions, and voted in the middle of the Mazer lynch. Honestly, I was not paying much attention to this game last week with everything going on. It was a good game, and I give big props to Stan for running it.

    End of the day it isn't a big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Ach bad big kills happen. That bloke that plsyef USA in the Covid game cracked a few eggs before getting the kill right if I do recall.
    Hey, I had many kills, I wasn't gonna let that power go to waste

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Yeah, especially when it was going so quickly. If I had known I needed to be eliminated as well, I would've used my night actions, and voted in the middle of the Mazer lynch. Honestly, I was not paying much attention to this game last week with everything going on. It was a good game, and I give big props to Stan for running it.

    End of the day it isn't a big deal.
    I was kinda shocked when you or lotjx didn't hammer. Just assumed you guys weren't on that morning. Now it makes sense. Fortuitous for me.

    Sometimes its better to be lucky than good.




    HFR calling out Octacon was key. I need to get better about going back and updating my spreadsheets after reveals. I retroactively check the voting, but need to recheck the roles and follow-ups.

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    Yeah, HFR bringing that up made me look hard into who Otacon was. It became so clear that the HFR Lynch almost happened because Jarrod just so happened to not be around yet. It worked out in the end because we didn't have to waste more time postulating HFR and it made it easy to find Otacon later.

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