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    I’m ok with that.... and psycho I’ll answer you when I’m not driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    If you had to hazard a guess at Fatman right now, who would you go after?
    Honestly, I could entertain Caito, TS or lotjx. All I know is I'm green. Losing me is another nail in town's coffin, that we can't afford at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Honestly, I could entertain Caito, TS or lotjx. All I know is I'm green. Losing me is another nail in town's coffin, that we can't afford at this point.
    I have a hard trust for Caito right now. I wouldn't count him. T/D or lotjx is decent, but I kind of have good vibes from lotjx, as well as a hypothesis on his role.

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    I’m ok with that.... and psycho I’ll answer you when I’m not driving.


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    Idea, leave the vote at 4 for now and let Stan do a vote count to see if Johnson votes.
    I'm good with this. No real need to rush anyway.

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    Vote Pablo.

    Seems like the same people here on this vote. Hope this works.

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    Jarrod I said to leave it at 4, I didn't want a hamner yet and to see if Johnson votes.

    Oh well, hope Johnson vote anyway and see if it shows up.

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    Shit I missed the no rush part guys. I'm sorry. I was talking to my wife and typing my vote and wasn't paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Jarrod I said to leave it at 4, I didn't want a hamner yet and to see if Johnson votes.

    Oh well, hope Johnson vote anyway and see if it shows up.
    Yes and if this doesn't come up with a good result I'd say I've drawn a bullseye on my backside now. 2 party fouls in one game is not a look I go for. Totally my fault, I didn't refresh and read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    Yes and if this doesn't come up with a good result I'd say I've drawn a bullseye on my backside now. 2 party fouls in one game is not a look I go for. Totally my fault, I didn't refresh and read.
    Leonard is spinning in his grave raaar!!!!!

    Kidding lol. I hope Johnson shows up in the vote count anyway before the write-up just to be sure. Still pretty confident on Pablo being scum.

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    Ha. Poor Leonardo. He will never rest in peace.

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    Unvote.

    Just don't want a hammer yet

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    Wait was 5 the hammer anyway?

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    The hammer was 5.

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    Guys, I may need help with something..... I'm getting confused, so I have to work this thru...

    1 Mei Ling
    2 "Campbell"
    3 Solid Snake
    4 Otacon
    5 E.E.
    6 Rose
    7 Raiden
    8 Olga
    9 Ames
    10 Stillman
    11 Fatman
    12 Vamp
    13 Fortune
    14 Solidus
    15 Johnny
    16......

    We started with 16 players right? We have been working under the impression that Shalashaska is a character, with or without Liquid attached, and we assume that Johnson is the reason for double votes....

    But that is two different characters (threeish including "Liquid"), neither of which have shown up in any writeups since the game officially started. And we only seem to have room for one. Somebody tell me if I fucked up somewhere.



    PS I nearly hit reply before I realized not everyone would know that Shalashaska is Revolver Ocelot.

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    So, here's what I have as far as identified roles. We need to use our roles intelligently tonight to try to vet people out. So let's have a thought going into it.

    Unknown:
    1. Otacon
    2. Olga G
    3. James J
    4. EE
    5. Richard Ames
    6. Pete Stillman
    7. Johnny
    8. Fatman

    Alive Players:
    1. Badger
    2. Jarrod1983
    3. TimeSplitter
    4. Jordo
    5. Mazer
    6. Psycho
    7. Caito
    8. lotjx

    Dead
    CWE – Mei Ling, ON motion detector
    Wardy – Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin
    HFR – the Colonel, Bus driver turned stump
    Kangus – Rosemary, doctor
    kdestiny – Raiden, JOAT
    JP – Fortune, Dead Cell roleblocker
    Fro – Solid Snake, cop
    Pabs-Hopefully Solidus/Mafia Something or other


    Unless I've missed something-
    Most of us have 5 elimination (not reads) possibilities for roles. Caito has 6. Unless I'm absolutely being played I strongly believe I can narrow down 2 off jordo and 3 off Psycho based on reads and gameplay. I have a soecific guess on psycho and a guess on Badger.

    Raiden/Kdestiny copped Badger. Fro copped Jordo, couldn't find his target n2 (guessing he looked for the hider), JP (scum), and Pabs (feeling pretty good for scum). Well played Fro. Sometimes cops reveal different things "friendly/not friendly", "town/not town", "scum/not scum". So its possible a cop could have not caught Fatman, but given the amount of possibilities, I don't think we should prioritize on those two.


    Good time to share some reads, and we can probably whittle things down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Guys, I may need help with something..... I'm getting confused, so I have to work this thru...

    1 Mei Ling
    2 "Campbell"
    3 Solid Snake
    4 Otacon
    5 E.E.
    6 Rose
    7 Raiden
    8 Olga
    9 Ames
    10 Stillman
    11 Fatman
    12 Vamp
    13 Fortune
    14 Solidus
    15 Johnny
    16......

    We started with 16 players right? We have been working under the impression that Shalashaska is a character, with or without Liquid attached, and we assume that Johnson is the reason for double votes....

    But that is two different characters (threeish including "Liquid"), neither of which have shown up in any writeups since the game officially started. And we only seem to have room for one. Somebody tell me if I fucked up somewhere.



    PS I nearly hit reply before I realized not everyone would know that Shalashaska is Revolver Ocelot.
    I was actually thinking I may have been counting wrong. Looking at Mazer's list after this, it would seem we are right. Johnson actually showed up in green during the intro, so he'd most certainly in. Meaning Ocelot/Liquid isn't.

    Which is great. It means this game gets easier with the spreadsheet. After Pablo, all we have left is Fatman to find.

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    Mazer, I'll try to give a more thorough list of people I trust/have as locktown and those I don't later tonight when I'm near my computer.

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    Ocelot is in an intro too though.... granted, not as a color we’ve seen after, so hopefully that basically just makes him a NPC in this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Ocelot is in an intro too though.... granted, not as a color we’ve seen after, so hopefully that basically just makes him a NPC in this?
    That's my thinking. He showed up in the same spot the other two purple(dead) roles did. James showed up as green and was never hinted towards being dead or anything. So it's probably safe to rule out Ocelot.

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    I think I have a good guess of who Psycho is as well. I've also got a hunch on Jordo but not as strong as the one on Psycho. The rest is a bit up in the air.

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    Also Fatman only showed up Nights 2 and 4. Don't know if that means he's an even night role and cannot act tonight or if that could change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Also Fatman only showed up Nights 2 and 4. Don't know if that means he's an even night role and cannot act tonight or if that could change.
    My guess is he was Even nights until scum died. He will likely be an every day bomber now.

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    I think everyone here is scum but me. I'm shocked this game is not over.

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    Ok, so my hard trusts without going back and looking at some things are Jordo, Caito, and Badger. I know who Caito is, and pretty sure I know who Badger is. Unless Pablo turns out to be James Johnson, I trust Jordo because of the cop check on him.

    If I can't use the hider to clear people of being Fatman(as this phase seems to prove thanks to Pablo), then Fatman has to be in Jarrod/Mazer/lotjx/T/S. I've got good feels on both Mazer and lotjx, Mazer because I think he's actually been trying to help town, and lotjx because I have a guess at who he is. So Fatman likely between Jarrod and T/S. I also think I know who Mazer is, but not quite ready to lock that in yet.

    If I'm wrong on Jarrod or T/S, then it has to be Mazer or lotjx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Ok, so my hard trusts without going back and looking at some things are Jordo, Caito, and Badger. I know who Caito is, and pretty sure I know who Badger is. Unless Pablo turns out to be James Johnson, I trust Jordo because of the cop check on him.

    If I can't use the hider to clear people of being Fatman(as this phase seems to prove thanks to Pablo), then Fatman has to be in Jarrod/Mazer/lotjx/T/S. I've got good feels on both Mazer and lotjx, Mazer because I think he's actually been trying to help town, and lotjx because I have a guess at who he is. So Fatman likely between Jarrod and T/S. I also think I know who Mazer is, but not quite ready to lock that in yet.

    If I'm wrong on Jarrod or T/S, then it has to be Mazer or lotjx.
    Well consider yourself officially wrong sir.

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    TS
    lotjx
    Mazer

    I know for sure Fatman isn't me. I wish for once someone would believe me in the nut cutting end of the game rounds that I am town but I always seem to be getting lynched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Ok, so my hard trusts without going back and looking at some things are Jordo, Caito, and Badger. I know who Caito is, and pretty sure I know who Badger is. Unless Pablo turns out to be James Johnson, I trust Jordo because of the cop check on him.

    If I can't use the hider to clear people of being Fatman(as this phase seems to prove thanks to Pablo), then Fatman has to be in Jarrod/Mazer/lotjx/T/S. I've got good feels on both Mazer and lotjx, Mazer because I think he's actually been trying to help town, and lotjx because I have a guess at who he is. So Fatman likely between Jarrod and T/S. I also think I know who Mazer is, but not quite ready to lock that in yet.

    If I'm wrong on Jarrod or T/S, then it has to be Mazer or lotjx.
    While I'm as Town as Karl Anthony, I don't find any fault with your logic. I was curious if you'd gotten a read. Maybe is definitely fair.

    I feel like if I'm right on you and Badger, I feel like we're close to cracking this. I'm most interested in how your opinion on Caito has changed from not trusting to where you have a solid id. I have a gut on Caito, but its nothing that I'm wanting to go to bat on.

    I'm also not quite as comfortable on lotjx. This seems ripe for a fly under the radar strategy.

    If we can narrow out jarrod and t/s from roles, some pieces should come together quickly as well.

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    For the record, Jarrod, I feel like you're probably just town. But tight now, my mind has both you and TimeSplitter before the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    While I'm as Town as Karl Anthony, I don't find any fault with your logic. I was curious if you'd gotten a read. Maybe is definitely fair.

    I feel like if I'm right on you and Badger, I feel like we're close to cracking this. I'm most interested in how your opinion on Caito has changed from not trusting to where you have a solid id. I have a gut on Caito, but its nothing that I'm wanting to go to bat on.

    I'm also not quite as comfortable on lotjx. This seems ripe for a fly under the radar strategy.

    If we can narrow out jarrod and t/s from roles, some pieces should come together quickly as well.
    I'm very interested in sorting T/S in particular

    If you spreadsheet right, Caito can absolutely be no one else other than one person. Fatman probably knows, but I'm playing on the cautious side.

    Actually, what do you guys think? If he's who I think he is, he should be damn near impervious right now. So I can just out him and make sure no one wastes any roles on him.

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    You eliminate more on potential mechanics than I do, so I have him with more options and a gut read.

    But if we're right about JJ, which I have no reason to seriously doubt, Fatman is alone. He's got a lot of pretty much proven targets to choose from.

    I don't think anyone should be too pissed about potential outing right now.

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    Actually, I'd rather have @Caito's permission before I do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    You eliminate more on potential mechanics than I do, so I have him with more options and a gut read.

    But if we're right about JJ, which I have no reason to seriously doubt, Fatman is alone. He's got a lot of pretty much proven targets to choose from.

    I don't think anyone should be too pissed about potential outing right now.
    I know I said the thing about people being cleared off the hider, but this one is 100% mechanically true unless Stan made a mistake somewhere.

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    Also, JJ?

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    Fair enough.


    James Johnson.

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    Ahhh, yes. Thought that was a player nickname.

    For the record, after looking over that phase again, I still think James Johnson is one of the people that were on the wardy train, and no one else.

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    I've missed something then.

    Or you've got some extra dees.


    Whichever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Ahhh, yes. Thought that was a player nickname.

    For the record, after looking over that phase again, I still think James Johnson is one of the people that were on the wardy train, and no one else.

    The thing that's throwing me off is the next day.

    Agreed on the wardy train. I think its between 2, but one other person is not completely ruled out. They were all on that train. Unless I've gotten an incorrect elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I've missed something then.

    Or you've got some extra dees.


    Whichever.
    Is this about Caito or James Johnson? James Johnson is just a read based on reactions to the wardy train.

    Caito is info that anyone else can find, not any dees pertaining to a role.

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    Caito.

    I must have missed something where its down to that, or there's some domino effect that knocked a key slot or two.



    But reading through the write-ups just now, I think I see where you're at. If I'm right that was my hunch after today.


    Which probably means I'm jinxing my read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I think I have a good guess of who Psycho is as well. I've also got a hunch on Jordo but not as strong as the one on Psycho. The rest is a bit up in the air.
    I also have a good guess on psycho

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    I'm assuming Stan had a busy day and called it a night. But Pablo's lack of participation definitely seals my confidence in him being Solidus.

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    I'm regretting not keeping a spreadsheet after I died.

    If it helps you know anyone who voted for me at any point probably isn't Otacon - right? They'd have seen me fumbling around with JP, thus knew who I was.

    Is it wrong I'm suspicious about you, psycho? I've not got a sheet mind.. but looking at the phases you've skirted under apart from last night. You're very good at looking so pro-town I think people just accept it. The squeaky wheel gets the ... town. OK that doesn't work.

    If the watcher saw you target someone last night then that's ok.. if they didn't though....

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    Edit: This was meant to be on the end!

    You seem to get a real thrill out of slaughtering the enemy, Psycho. Are you frustrated about something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I'm assuming Stan had a busy day and called it a night.
    Bottle of red and late night Dynamite did for me.

    But yeah, there was a lynch about 12 hours ago.

    Vote: Pablo - 5 (Psycho, Badger, Mazer, Jordo, Jarrod)

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    Solidus Snake was desperate. His plan to give Arsenal Gear to Dead Cell while he hunted down the Patriots’ Wisemen’s committee had fallen apart. The purified hydrogen bomb that would blanket Manhattan in an EMP had been neutralized. The crowd of survivors chased him until he fell from the roof of Federal Hall. Pablo Diablo crawled towards the statue of George Washington, reaching up to the first President of the United States as he let out his last breath.

    Pablo Diablo has been lynched. He was Solidus Snake/George Sears, Dead Cell Godfather.

    1. Badger
    2. Jarrod1983
    3. TimeSplitter
    4. Jordo
    5. Mazer
    6. Psycho
    7. Caito
    8. lotjx

    Dead


    CWE – Mei Ling, ON motion detector
    Wardy – Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin
    HFR – the Colonel, Bus driver turned stump
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    kdestiny – Raiden, JOAT
    JP – Fortune, Dead Cell Roleblocker
    Fro – Solid Snake, Cop
    Pablo Diablo – Solidus Snake, Godfather

    Night 5 has begun. 24 hours to get your roles in.

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    I think I feel a bit better about Jarrod, his responses last night are pretty consistent with past games.

    No Johnson vote but I think I might know who he is on a post I re-read from earlier and why he didn't show but that's only a hunch.

    Think I got Caito down.

    I wouldn't clear lotjx completely. He is one of two in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Actually, I'd rather have @Caito's permission before I do that.

    granted

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    Nice, all.

    So with Caito's permission, he's the hider. It's actually pretty simple. If a name has popped up in a write-up the same night E.E is active, then that person can't be the hider. Because if they were, the person targeting them wouldn't be able to find their target.

    It also makes sense when you look at who E.E. hid behind on Night 3.

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    That’s who I had him as too.

    Didn’t see him in the write-ups plus on Day 2 his vote was different from the HFR train so guessed he was the one who stumped him.

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    Upon further observance, I think Jarrod is indeed on the up and up. Should probably leave him alone.

    Also, HFR, I love you for everything that you are.

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    I missed the elimination at first as I checked off, but that was my lean. His game mechanic comment when I asked for forthrightness was the read.

    After the exchange yesterday, I thought "how do we have eliminated from everything, he hasn't been target....oh mazer, you dummy".

    I want us to be careful of a modkill or silly mistakes, but does anyone have a big concern with open speculation on roles?

    We're in a weird spot, up a good number. So it seems like the only way we lose is if it's not one of our obvious targets and we've missed a deep con or unique/unthought of mechanic.



    HFR, I did read your post and tried to reevaluate. I am always paranoid at these points, as there are players who are still distinctly better than me, and I worry about what I haven't thought of and being overconfident.

    With psych, I can't quite get there as a probable candidate. I may feel mildly more comfortable on those that are copped (now knowing who the cop and joat are. But given that it seems Fatman needed mafia to have a decent run (because here we are now), his comments on all 3 mafia members, just make it seem improbable to me.

    We've all been incorrectly confident on a few people. Like I was voting on you, but I'm still thinking less probable than the other folks mentioned.




    I'm still just sad the JP train went so fast that Caito and I couldn't do the JP Wentworth song.

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    As long as you don’t admit to your own role or hint, speculating about other people is fine within the rules.

    I see what you mean though, probably shouldn’t over-speculate or get too cocky in case Fatman gets too much info on who best to target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Upon further observance, I think Jarrod is indeed on the up and up. Should probably leave him alone.

    Also, HFR, I love you for everything that you are.
    You're probably the only dude I can trust currently since I'm not spreadsheeting.

    Who is left for Fatman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    You're probably the only dude I can trust currently since I'm not spreadsheeting.

    Who is left for Fatman?
    T/S, Mazer and lotjx. I'm at work, but if you're who I think you are, I become increasingly worried about Mazer's role.

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    To clarify, T/S is my top suspect right now. But I'm kinda leaning Mazer between he and lotjx if I'm right in you.

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    My gut read was on Mazer as well.

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    To be transparent, given that I've only been watched and im reliant on others to figure me out on less info than other folks here...I kinda feel that I need to be reliant on cracking code in the next cycle or two, on case anything goes sideways.


    I don't want to be cavalier, but I would like to get my rationales out there.


    On that note, I'm curious why the complete elimination on jarrod from the possibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    To be transparent, given that I've only been watched and im reliant on others to figure me out on less info than other folks here...I kinda feel that I need to be reliant on cracking code in the next cycle or two, on case anything goes sideways.


    I don't want to be cavalier, but I would like to get my rationales out there.


    On that note, I'm curious why the complete elimination on jarrod from the possibles.
    If you follow HFR's instructions, it becomes pretty clear. The only person who could possibly be his role is T/S if he was playing coy(which would have been dumb in that position) and lotjx if he doesn't understand how his role works or what it means.

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    Then if I've got my guesses on you and Badger right (which is not a certain), it could be sorted if we have James Johnson.

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    I'm actually fairly confident in Psych now. I'd have to have two major misreads on gameplay. Badger's is my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    To be transparent, given that I've only been watched and im reliant on others to figure me out on less info than other folks here...I kinda feel that I need to be reliant on cracking code in the next cycle or two, on case anything goes sideways.


    I don't want to be cavalier, but I would like to get my rationales out there.


    On that note, I'm curious why the complete elimination on jarrod from the possibles.
    It's not complete elimination but my gut after last night says he could very well be telling the truth. His end game posting has been consistent with how he's acted before when town unless he's being meta.

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    I need to get better at my spreadsheet game with some things, like how Octa would have cleared people on the HFR vote.

    That said, I still have 3 people as possibilities for James Johnson. So I might be missing something.

    I actually think I have lotjx ahead of timesplitter (but very close), and then jarrod as a distinct third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I need to get better at my spreadsheet game with some things, like how Octa would have cleared people on the HFR vote.

    That said, I still have 3 people as possibilities for James Johnson. So I might be missing something.

    I actually think I have lotjx ahead of timesplitter (but very close), and then jarrod as a distinct third.
    Otacon is a watcher. He targeted HFR's target the night that he was the only other one to target him. So Otacon knows HFR is town. There's no reason for anyone in that wagon to vote HFR, and should have in fact come to their defense.

    TimeSplitter seemed completely neutral to the vote. lotjx was confused by the Metalhead role a bit when I gave him that role, so I could maybe see where he's confused and voted HFR anyway. But all signs point to one person being Otacon from my perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Otacon is a watcher. He targeted HFR's target the night that he was the only other one to target him. So Otacon knows HFR is town. There's no reason for anyone in that wagon to vote HFR, and should have in fact come to their defense.

    TimeSplitter seemed completely neutral to the vote. lotjx was confused by the Metalhead role a bit when I gave him that role, so I could maybe see where he's confused and voted HFR anyway. But all signs point to one person being Otacon from my perspective.
    Right, had that.

    Given that timesplitter has been less communicative (fair enough-lots going on), I was less comfortable with completely elimination there. The metalhead role was more atypical than a watcher. Hard time seeing lotjx make that mistake. That's where I have lotjx ahead of timesplitter. I have it between those two, and jarrod only comes into play if there is a misread on someone doing something really weird, like the scenarios you mentioned.

    Assuming correctness on Lotjx and timesplitter I have as 50/50 and that's unlikely to change tonight. I certainly wouldn't guess that Fatman would eliminate the other.

    Since you likely have me eliminated on a few roles based on gameplay, I would imagine you have me at the same 50/50 proposition. While I sometimes like to use roles to primarily cut down probabilities on suspicions, unless I have your possibilities wrong, the chances are low for much help tonight.

    I hope I've bought enough credit for advancing town theories to buy some credibility within the smaller target group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Right, had that.

    Given that timesplitter has been less communicative (fair enough-lots going on), I was less comfortable with completely elimination there. The metalhead role was more atypical than a watcher. Hard time seeing lotjx make that mistake. That's where I have lotjx ahead of timesplitter. I have it between those two, and jarrod only comes into play if there is a misread on someone doing something really weird, like the scenarios you mentioned.

    Assuming correctness on Lotjx and timesplitter I have as 50/50 and that's unlikely to change tonight. I certainly wouldn't guess that Fatman would eliminate the other.

    Since you likely have me eliminated on a few roles based on gameplay, I would imagine you have me at the same 50/50 proposition. While I sometimes like to use roles to primarily cut down probabilities on suspicions, unless I have your possibilities wrong, the chances are low for much help tonight.

    I hope I've bought enough credit for advancing town theories to buy some credibility within the smaller target group.
    For the record, I feel you've put so much effort into openly solving the game that it makes me think you are probably just town, as you would have I my helped the close the walls around you. I don't remember exactly what I have you eliminates from while I'm at work, but yes, I'm pretty sure you're in a 50/50 position or close to it. I actually meant to reevaluate the sheet after having a pretty strong guess at Jordo's role this morning

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    Octacon should have defended HFR so that is a solid point.

    I think if any on the Pablo vote train would’ve probably used the Johnson vote if they were him unless they were confident enough that they didn’t need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Upon further observance, I think Jarrod is indeed on the up and up. Should probably leave him alone.

    Also, HFR, I love you for everything that you are.
    Smart. As I am no threat to town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Octacon should have defended HFR so that is a solid point.

    I think if any on the Pablo vote train would’ve probably used the Johnson vote if they were him unless they were confident enough that they didn’t need it.
    I think they should have had confidence in that vote.

    The part where the vote was removed on HFR gets me. Not sure if that was limited in some way or someone removed an anonymous vote.

    Psych broke down the rationale on HFR voting. Of it was a choice to remove lotjx seems less likely to have made that choice.

    Still leaning to lotjx over ts on Fatman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I think they should have had confidence in that vote.

    The part where the vote was removed on HFR gets me. Not sure if that was limited in some way or someone removed an anonymous vote.

    Psych broke down the rationale on HFR voting. Of it was a choice to remove lotjx seems less likely to have made that choice.

    Still leaning to lotjx over ts on Fatman.
    Definitely not ruling lotjx out, for all we know his "everyone is scum but me" comment could be seen as him having a laugh at us. TS is also there but he has had shit to deal with so hopefully he gets the chance to contribute this weekend and see what he says.

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    Sorry for the radio silence, I went to help clean up some of the riot spots this morning. It did my heart some good to help.

    We have a curfew of 8pm, so I'm going to try and get everything I need to done before then. Need to get groceries for week before the stores shut down around 5-6.

    I'm going to try keep people updated in the "Cops Gone Wild" thread in the Asylum. I am doing ok overall. Last night was the first night I wasn't woken up by anything, probably due to the protests moving further away from where I live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Sorry for the radio silence, I went to help clean up some of the riot spots this morning. It did my heart some good to help.

    We have a curfew of 8pm, so I'm going to try and get everything I need to done before then. Need to get groceries for week before the stores shut down around 5-6.

    I'm going to try keep people updated in the "Cops Gone Wild" thread in the Asylum. I am doing ok overall. Last night was the first night I wasn't woken up by anything, probably due to the protests moving further away from where I live.
    Glad to see you're doing ok and hope things continue to calm down.

    You can give us your thoughts whenever you're ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    Sorry for the radio silence, I went to help clean up some of the riot spots this morning. It did my heart some good to help.

    We have a curfew of 8pm, so I'm going to try and get everything I need to done before then. Need to get groceries for week before the stores shut down around 5-6.

    I'm going to try keep people updated in the "Cops Gone Wild" thread in the Asylum. I am doing ok overall. Last night was the first night I wasn't woken up by anything, probably due to the protests moving further away from where I live.
    Respect to you helping out.

    Glad that you personally are ok. I lived in St. Paul and then Bloomington 97-99. Hard to imagine that area now.

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    Gone thru spreadsheet again.... literally anybody alive could be Fatman still..... said poster has done a good job not getting himself a spotlight shown on him.

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    Should we start fleshing out if Fatman living is good or bad? The last Metal Gear was on the NES.

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    Well, i mean he killed Snake...... who is the icon of the entire series.... so he prob isn’t the friendliest.....


    def wasn’t a good guy in the game either

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    Fatman is most certainly a threat because all the scum are dead and the game isn't over.

    I also am pretty sure I've finally broken this game open and know who everyone is.

    Beware, Fatman. We're gearing up to kill the Patriots. Starting with you.

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    I've enjoyed this quite a bit so far. I played MGS on PS1 when I was younger quite a bit. At first I had the demo disc that came with the PS and I got sucked into just running around killing people because you could only go so far. Once I got the full game though I went right through it. I loved setting C4, hiding under a truck and blowing people sky high. I'm sorta thinking I might dig this game out and play a couple rounds.

    I've played the MGS for NES and enjoyed it for what it was. I never really got my hands on the sequels to the PS game but have seen them on shelfs. I just never took the leap. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot here character wise. I'm curious about Fatman in the games. I always thought these games had crazy character names.

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    I think I may dive in as well. Xbox one has most of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Fatman is most certainly a threat because all the scum are dead and the game isn't over.

    I also am pretty sure I've finally broken this game open and know who everyone is.

    Beware, Fatman. We're gearing up to kill the Patriots. Starting with you.
    May be a good idea go share as much as possible after you said that

    Would hate for you to die and not get your info out there

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    I'm also sure I'm gonna come back to Sony on the next gen. I wanna get in the Rajah Madden league real bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I think I may dive in as well. Xbox one has most of them

    - - - Updated - - -



    May be a good idea go share as much as possible after you said that

    Would hate for you to die and not get your info out there
    All in good time. If my life is taken, follow my posts to find out Jarrod, Caito, and Jordo(for others) and remember my POE. Of TimeSplitter/lotjx/Mazer. If you follow my line of thinking on James Johnson and pay attention to what Richard Ames has been doing and who it doesn't make sense for, I trust the remaining townies to come to the truth.

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    Night 5

    Night 5
    Olga Gurlukovich corners Mazer and stops him from acting tonight, while E.E. spots another opportunity and slips in behind Mazer.
    Otacon again switches video feeds and watches TimeSplitter and who might target him.

    Day 6 has now started. With 8 players, 5 is a majority.
    1. Badger
    2. Jarrod1983
    3. TimeSplitter
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    5. Mazer
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    Wardy – Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin
    HFR – the Colonel, Bus driver turned stump
    Kangus – Rosemary, doctor
    kdestiny – Raiden, JOAT
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    Fro – Solid Snake, cop
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    2 and 4 involve a LOT of exposition and codec calls. IIRC, in 4 you get a trophy for watching all cutscenes (including the hidden ones)

    Start off with the Big Boss trilogy (Snake Eater, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    All in good time. If my life is taken, follow my posts to find out Jarrod, Caito, and Jordo(for others) and remember my POE. Of TimeSplitter/lotjx/Mazer. If you follow my line of thinking on James Johnson and pay attention to what Richard Ames has been doing and who it doesn't make sense for, I trust the remaining townies to come to the truth.
    You're still here. I think we know but go on.

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    Vote Mazer

    You know what to do, guys. Let's kill Fatman.

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    Sorry Shatner.

    Vote Mazer

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    Give me just a few minutes to throw out a suggestion without getting myself modkilled?

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    I'm willing to wait a minute to listen...


    Also, for those interested in playing the games, while I can see the reasoning of playing the games in chronological order.... I actually wouldn't. I would play them in order of release, as I think looking back on it, that I got more enjoyment out of the story development that way, than I would have if it was a straight chronological timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Give me just a few minutes to throw out a suggestion without getting myself modkilled?
    By all means go ahead. I'll decide if I'm changing my vote after.

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    Psych, I'm assuming you were wrong about Fatman going to an every night kill. I would assume it stayed even.

    Also, if I was the Fatman, this is to the point where it would be stupid for me to try to extend it. It would essentially be impossible for me to keep up some kind of crazy cover to eliminate enough people. Town's going to win this, but hey I'd kind of like to survive to the end.

    There would be a couple ways to play a role that takes a bullet for someone.

    One would be to altruistically save the most obvious townspeople. n2 for Ames was HFR. N4 was jarrod. So obviously that wasn't the strategy.

    Another way would be to pick people less likely to get shot. And perhaps that you were looking to trail your existing townspeople you were suspicious and eliminate possibilities.

    Something I've mentioned liking to do during this game.


    HFR was not a suspect until after n2. Someone looking to clear him would probably have been suspicious of him
    On N4 Ames obvs took that tactice with Jarrod. Right after that, I mentioned that folks needed to be clearing him of roles and that I had that concern for a while.



    I understand that this all a bit circumstantial. But there would be no godly for Richard Ames to not just bodyguard the other suspect tonight and eliminate that possibility.


    If I am suspect after this night phase, I'll cast the first vote on myself.


    If this modkills me nothing lost anyway.

    But Psych and Jordo if you get me on read and an assumption of how Fatman works, after making me defend myself on the hider mechanic all of the covid game, I expect a future pass.

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    What's more probable...that fatman stayed every other night or that I have latched onto an understanding of one role that happens to be the one available for me and I have a super secret plan that benefits for keeping the game open one more night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    What's more probable...that fatman stayed every other night or that I have latched onto an understanding of one role that happens to be the one available for me and I have a super secret plan that benefits for keeping the game open one more night?
    To be fair, you know who I think Jarrod is and who I have as Caito, and you know I don't think you're James Johnson. I know we both have Badger as the same person. And if you pay attention to my last post before the write-up, I specifically mentioned Ames as not being able to be certain people.

    So yeah, I think the second is more probable because A) You're a smooth talker that would always try to talk your way out of this situation even if you knew the jig was up. And B) I have rarely, if ever, seen a game where the remaining killer doesn't go to killing every night. It would make the remaining killer a walking duck, and the only reason I'd buy it is because Stan is less experienced running games. But the man has taken cues from all traditions in this site, and I doubt he doesn't do the same with an EN killer.

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    No matter what we decide on wether or not Mazer is Fatman... (or Ames I guess? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't talking myself in circles trying to analyze and maybe overanalyze what he is saying) I still have a bigger concer.


    With a neutral left, if our last spot really is President Johnson.... shouldn't the game be over? if we work under that assumption, and say that Neutral is just trying to survive until the end, it should be game over. so either, Fatman has a condition where he has to be the last one standing (which I'm not even sure how that would work tbh, unless it gets down to 1 v 1 and game ends with a win for him) or there is still red scum out there. And an obvious one at that.

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    At best, I'd be willing to No Lynch here to delay the inevitable.

    But you're telling me you protected HFR, then immediately turned to vote him, then protected Jarrod, but was skeptical of clearing him of more roles like I was doing? You're telling me that you put HFR in your shortlist of people that are probably scum on D1, but chose to protect him on Night 2? I find that hard to believe.

    Especially because the simpler, more logical answer for Ames' actions are, "I didn't want to protect the same people as the doctor, so I went for less obvious choices."

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    But I did indicate what I thought what other people needed to do with Jarrod after N4, which was right after Ames seemed to be following that strategy.

    And I did say how liked to play the role yesterday before you mentioned Ames at all.


    How could I possibly win by tomorrow if I'm the Fatman? Or really win at all?


    Also, although you are certainly better than me with role mechanics, this is the same confidence you've had with hider mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    No matter what we decide on wether or not Mazer is Fatman... (or Ames I guess? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't talking myself in circles trying to analyze and maybe overanalyze what he is saying) I still have a bigger concer.


    With a neutral left, if our last spot really is President Johnson.... shouldn't the game be over? if we work under that assumption, and say that Neutral is just trying to survive until the end, it should be game over. so either, Fatman has a condition where he has to be the last one standing (which I'm not even sure how that would work tbh, unless it gets down to 1 v 1 and game ends with a win for him) or there is still red scum out there. And an obvious one at that.
    No. Fatman is a Serial Killer. The game continues for town until all threats to town are eliminated. Not when we reach parity. So even if the suspect is super obvious, unless they concede(which I don't think has ever happened here), the game will continue until the threat has been neutralized.

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    I guess....


    Maybe im just in complete amazement that we are playing a Metal Gear Solid game without a major Metal Gear Solid character and cant get out of my mind that he is still in here somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    But I did indicate what I thought what other people needed to do with Jarrod after N4, which was right after Ames seemed to be following that strategy.

    And I did say how liked to play the role yesterday before you mentioned Ames at all.


    How could I possibly win by tomorrow if I'm the Fatman? Or really win at all?


    Also, although you are certainly better than me with role mechanics, this is the same confidence you've had with hider mechanics.
    Show me the post where you talked about this before and I might reconsider.

    But again, we lost our two doctors. You're telling me you spent N4 trying to eliminate roles rather than protect someone you trusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I guess....


    Maybe im just in complete amazement that we are playing a Metal Gear Solid game without a major Metal Gear Solid character and cant get out of my mind that he is still in here somewhere.
    I get it, but remember thatbStab said at the beginning that he had to take some liberties. I'm assuming cutting out Ocelot/Liquid was one of those liberties.

    Why bother showing James Johnson in green when he made a conscious effort to color the dead players purple, and Ocelot the same color?

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    Yeah, I get it.

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