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    I will also say I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on the wardy lynch. It happened so fast I could see then of been planning to jump off and didn't have a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I will also say I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on the wardy lynch. It happened so fast I could see then of been planning to jump off and didn't have a chance
    Not to say the logic that they weren't on the lynch is wrong but I wouldn't go clearing everyone on it either

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    All roles in. Write-up this evening.

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    After reading through again, I'm leaning town for Jarrod. My overall feeling is that it was a no scum train. When we get more flips, and see where people pushed, we'll need to reassess that. But that's where I'm betting right now.

    While certainly we need to focus on scum hunting, let's make sure that we don't conflate "not scum" with town in our logic. Until we understand the neutral roles better, we need to limit our assumptions on who is completely safe. We've also seen some pretty conservative cop play lately. I would bet on Badge and Jordo both being clean at this point, so that might be more of a "look forward" observation.

    I'd guess out of the list of
    JP
    HFR
    Caito
    Kdestiny
    Kangus

    we'll get some hits.

    Not completely sure about Pablo yet, but going on intuition a little keeping him out of the main list.

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    Wooooooooork.

    Anyways, I don't really "read" people. Presuming no shenanigans you can go 50/50 on who has the double vote I reckon. I took that into account.

    I didn't think wardy was scum, well, I didn't think he was nailed on. And fact is, we really fucking lucked out on it. So ... yeah. That's pretty much all I've got at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    After reading through again, I'm leaning town for Jarrod. My overall feeling is that it was a no scum train. When we get more flips, and see where people pushed, we'll need to reassess that. But that's where I'm betting right now.

    While certainly we need to focus on scum hunting, let's make sure that we don't conflate "not scum" with town in our logic. Until we understand the neutral roles better, we need to limit our assumptions on who is completely safe. We've also seen some pretty conservative cop play lately. I would bet on Badge and Jordo both being clean at this point, so that might be more of a "look forward" observation.

    I'd guess out of the list of
    JP
    HFR
    Caito
    Kdestiny
    Kangus

    we'll get some hits.

    Not completely sure about Pablo yet, but going on intuition a little keeping him out of the main list.
    I agree about the "not town" aspect, but from what I've seen so far, I don't believe there are any pro-town neutral roles. Fatman is most certainly a threat, and if Ocelot isn't red(I'm assuming he's still a character), then he is also a threat. Not sure there would be any other characters that would fit in the neutral zone, but as it is, I feel they are more than likely to be anti-town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I agree about the "not town" aspect, but from what I've seen so far, I don't believe there are any pro-town neutral roles. Fatman is most certainly a threat, and if Ocelot isn't red(I'm assuming he's still a character), then he is also a threat. Not sure there would be any other characters that would fit in the neutral zone, but as it is, I feel they are more than likely to be anti-town.
    That's a good read. If the neutrals are showing as town threats, then we're going to have to be pretty accurate, as that's a lot of threat to move through.

    Curious how the N2 action level will compare to N1.

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    I don't see JP having reacted to wardy's lynch the way he did if he was scum.

    Wouldn't put it past him to do it on purpose but that's not the read I got.

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    Night 2
    Buoyed by their early success, town make a renewed effort to clear the big shell of the Dead Cell terrorists. Richard Ames takes a position ready to catch a bullet for HFR. However Olga Gurlukovich cartwheels over Ames and wastes no time knocking HFR out with the flat edge of her HF blade. HFR will survive, but is out for the count.

    Snake searches his location high and low but even this superb tracker canít find his target. Meanwhile Raiden meets up with Psycho. ďYouíre in a dangerous place, but I can keep you safe tonightĒ

    Fatman rollerblades round but canít find anywhere suitable to place his bomb. Safe in his store room, Pete Stillman calibrates his sensor for kdestiny and sees what heís up to. E.E. spots lotjx loitering near her location, and takes the chance to hide behind him.

    Rosemary contacts Jordo and offers to save his location for the night. Jordo will be safe from harm, because Rosemary is a doctor. Enraged from their loss, Solidus Snake and Fortune rampage through their location laying waste to all they encounter, but to add to their frustration, they couldnít locate Fortuneís target.

    Day 3 has now started. With 14 players, 8 is a majority.

    1. Badger
    2. Pablo
    3. HFR
    4. Jarrod1983
    5. TimeSplitter
    6. Jordo
    7. Mazer
    8. Kdestiny
    9. JP
    10. Psycho
    11. Caito
    12. Fro
    13. Kangus
    14. lotjx

    Dead
    CWE Ė Mei Ling, ON motion detector
    Wardy Ė Vamp, Dead Cell Assassin

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    Wonderful night. Holy shit, that's a lot of protectives. Looks like Raiden is indeed a JOAT, so his cop info may be trustworthy.

    I think Solidus was just there as flavor? Hard to say. But we can say somewhat comfortably that HFR is not Fatman or Fortune.

    Snake should know who E.E. is. Keep your mouth shut unless they become a target. Unfortunately, scum will also know.

    Do we think Fatman also targeted E.E., or does his mechanic work differently?

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    Eh, I'm just gonna go ahead and start here:

    Vote HFR

    I don't have my spreadsheet on me, but dude is crossed off the most town roles based on that night phase. If he's ruled out of being Solidus, I might be more willing to move. Otherwise, he was the non-voter that caught my attention the most.

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    That moment when you realize Jack is the JOAT

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    Great night for us.

    Raiden confirmed JOAT so I’m more inclined to trust that cop reading he got first night.

    Whoever the hider is potentially drew the attention of fat man and the scum. Snake as well but he basically ended up with the result anyways of knowing their target is town. I guess I’m worried about fatman being a bomber SK. Could end up taking out a bunch of power roles in one go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    Rosemary contacts Jordo and offers to save his location for the night. Jordo will be safe from harm, because Rosemary is a doctor.
    First things first.

    This line made me laugh. I appreciate the spelling it out.

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    So.... idk if i missed something, or if itís been discussed, but Iím curious about something.

    Wardy is Vamp. We know that, he is lunches and dead, hooray! (Least until the nanomachines kick in, but that can be part of the third game).....

    Didnít Olga block him night 1? Even says he will make no moves tonight, but then in very next paragraph, Vamp is killing CWE.


    If i missed something, sorry, and get JP some gin..... but that does seem odd to me.

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    he is lynched. He isn’t lunches. I can’t type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    So.... idk if i missed something, or if it’s been discussed, but I’m curious about something.

    Wardy is Vamp. We know that, he is lunches and dead, hooray! (Least until the nanomachines kick in, but that can be part of the third game).....

    Didn’t Olga block him night 1? Even says he will make no moves tonight, but then in very next paragraph, Vamp is killing CWE.


    If i missed something, sorry, and get JP some gin..... but that does seem odd to me.
    She did. My assumption is that he was a strongman/unblockable type killer. Wouldn't be spelled out in the write-up for the block.

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    So yes, our logic was sound, but we got lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Eh, I'm just gonna go ahead and start here:

    Vote HFR

    I don't have my spreadsheet on me, but dude is crossed off the most town roles based on that night phase. If he's ruled out of being Solidus, I might be more willing to move. Otherwise, he was the non-voter that caught my attention the most.
    I'm down with this logic

    Vote HFR

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    Ok. As fair an explanation as I suppose there could be. Ok. Back to making a sheet.

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    I also don't read that Solidus necessarily made an action. I'm with Psycho that HFR is probably not Fatman or Fortune, but Solidus is an option.

    If I go with the James Johnson on the last vote, then HFR is pretty much eliminated from a majority of town roles. He was on my short list prior to this.


    I'm good with starting here.


    Vote HFR

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    Here’s a character I’m worried about that hasn’t shown up yet.... Ocelot.....



    and Liquid?

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    By the write up do you think. Mafia targetted someone protected or a hider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Here’s a character I’m worried about that hasn’t shown up yet.... Ocelot.....



    and Liquid?
    I assume Ocelot and Liquid will be the same role. I'm thinking chance for being neutral, but for balance reasons, Stan might have lumped him in with the Sons. Technically he is part of that group at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I also don't read that Solidus necessarily made an action. I'm with Psycho that HFR is probably not Fatman or Fortune, but Solidus is an option.

    If I go with the James Johnson on the last vote, then HFR is pretty much eliminated from a majority of town roles. He was on my short list prior to this.


    I'm good with starting here.


    Vote HFR
    I wasn't thinking about the fact that he couldn't be James Johnson, either, so I'm actually good with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    By the write up do you think. Mafia targetted someone protected or a hider?
    Likely a hider. Usually protects show the mafia trying to target the person protected and failing.

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    I am in on HFR.

    Might want to maybe cross check the list he made no matter how this turns out.

    Vote HFR

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    EBWOP that was Mazer... idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I am in on HFR.

    Might want to maybe cross check the list he made no matter how this turns out.

    Vote HFR
    What list?

    What I can/can't say I'm not sure. I feel I'm right about double voter... well... it's one of 2 and since scum clearly know who it is.

    Whilst I've not had much effect, obviously not the previous night. I still feel like long term value is the aim of the game....

    ...but people don't clearly vote based on that so.. You'd just have to take my word for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    EBWOP that was Mazer... idiot
    Was gunna say, I don't do lists.. too much commitment.

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    Yeah, I clarified, but I still feel good about this

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    EBWOP you did a list last game you fool!

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    You're really wrong. Honestly. I'm not sure why you feel good. You realise we fluked Wardy, yes? Good vibes or not, that was as threadbare a lynch you'll ever see.

    But the luck doesn't keep going... This one is just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    EBWOP you did a list last game you fool!
    Wasn't I scum last game? Maybe that's my tell.

    I was just kidding cos CWE knows I don't make decisions. *waves at CWE*

    See you soon pal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post
    [ Rosemary[FONT=&] contacts Jordo and offers to save his location for the night. Jordo will be safe from harm, because Rosemary is a doctor.]
    I hate you.

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    My hate for a mean game runner aside, that was a great night which gives us more leeway to lynch.

    Eliminated from a hell of a lot of roles, HFR is a sensible choice. I'd normally be concerned at the speed of the train, but given I got that so wrong last time, I'll go with it.

    Vote: HFR

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    What roles am I not excluded from?

    And then look at the write-ups.

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    I don't know why I'm trying to defend myself, I can't change anyone's mind. Most of them wont even see this before someone hammers me in a minute.

    I just need to go to bed so wanted to form some sort of effort before I get to smugly be right about being town and you guys fucking up, instead of lucking up.

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    Lucking out* fuck sake.

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    Unvote

    I'll give the man some room to breathe. But @HHHnFoley_Rulez, I want your top 3 suspects knowing that you must be town
    Who, if anyone, do you think is scum of the people voting you?

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    HFR - 4 (Jordo, Mazer, kdestiny, JP)

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    I don't care how flimsy the reasoning or anything. But I need at least some gut feel reasons or something. There has to be someone you're naturally side-eyeing

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    Bear with on mobile getting into bed (oh.. Hello) .. To be honest I don't know. I can see why you'd vote for me but a simple look at the roles that are missing should show that I could possibly be useful. I mean as useful as normal.

    From people that voted only really kdestiny and jp didn't give a solid excuse... But then.. They could just be trusting you. But if kdestiny was one of the active scum someone would know based on the observation overnight. Or I read that wrong.

    Which leaves jp... But jps not a reliable read for me.. He's usually just.... Jp.

    What I maybe do know is who otacon isn't... But that's hardly helpful.

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    I think HFR's reasoning is overall sound. it does give me mild pause that two from my worry list jumped on this train.


    The one question I have is how confident we would be that kdestiny would have been observed successfully, given that fatman, fortune, and SS were not able to complete an action.



    Unless I've misread the write-ups or the posts HFR has read (and assuming James Johnson logic is correct), I think only one town role is open for HFR.

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    What if I said...

    Vote JP

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    His reaction to everything has me thinking that he's probably town, but not 100%

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    I'm really not against anyone from my top 5 targets, but I think the odds are at worst 50/50 on HFR. Typically I'll take that shot.


    I do think anyone who didn't vote last time, who doesn't vote for one of these options during the first 24 hours on this one is highly suspect. Little too much wait and see where the wind blows for me.

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