Tell me, in what way does it benefit town for me to exclaim JP is scum, which although overwhelmingly likely, is not a guarantee? I only knew for sure when you made that post accusing Jordo and myself. BY THE WAY, JP is not the focus right now so quit distracting. Kdestiny is scum Fa Sho Virm, please shoot him.
I think by the rules of the game you'd both live and die.Originally Posted by virmicious
Virm, do me a favor. Peruse some threads and see how often anyone writes a paragraph were the first three sentences start with H's. This idea that I did it on accident essentially and then remembered and ran back yo find it is ridiculous.
The idea I did it as insurance is bonkers. The chances it'd work out are silly stupid. If I was scum I would of been better off just doing what kdestiny did.
I'll give him credit though, making a claim that was the same as my dees was brilliant. They sacrifice HFR and kdes almost clears himself.
JP played a pretty quiet game which is not his style. But just as I pointed out earlier scum win a quiet game in this set up.
I can justify every strange move I made this game, most of them at their core were to try and get conversation going because I knew a quiet game was to the advantage of scum.
But I'm not really sure any of that matters at this point. I said earlier it really does come down what you think about my trail post.
Well no, just because his investigation of kdes showed up scum didn't mean I wasn't the last scum. We could of made the entire argument up together.
Your situation (which is based on a lie). Lines up differently. If you had been the cop and investigated kdes and he had turned up clean by numbers then ya me and Kangus would be the last two scum.
That didn't happen though.
Kangus' simply knowing kdes is scum didn't immediately clear me or you.
You lying did however sink you in both me and kangus' book.
I should of just fucking spoke up yesterday and said I thought JP was gonna pull this shit. I fucking knew it and I didn't say it because I thought I'd look like a fucking loon
Your fellow scum probably didn't plan that far ahead.
I'm working solo home slice.
You guys did though that's for sure. And it was a great plan in this game.
The insurance idea is that I (as scum) would of decided that I would pick one of my scum mates, and leave a trail that I was going to investigate him. So I would of been picking one of three at random because HFR hadn't really done anything all that scummy, no one was really pointing a finger at him. So I would of picked a guy at random, made a post with a trail all. In hopes that maybe just maybe if they looked at him I could sacrifice him and clear myself.
Or... I was the cop and left a trail because I knew who I was going to look at.
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What's more likely virm? Really man, which seems like a thing that would happen?
You said that because you didn't think the cop would come out as I did.
I have been cleared by the cop here. It should be pretty straight forward by this point.
Kangus showed himself to be similar to Jordo by messing about here with his claim. It would be the perfect scenario for him to continue to muddy things the way he has here after having been very quiet most of the game having hidden in the shadows.
I stuck with my info and gave you scum virm, don't follow this false claim here.
Even then I would of known I was going to have another cop speaking up and arguing against my claim. It would of been a ridiculous plan.
your scheme, while elaborate... has its holes.
Hopefully the man with the gun can see that and know from what we've had occur here today shows it should be straight forward at this point.
Isn't it odd that JP was the one that brought up insurance? And then didn't investigate me?
If you actually had that info that was supposedly given to you then why not stay confident?
You backed off and joked because you didn't want someone to call you out on it. I stuck with it because I'm town.
You didn't because you can't really afford anymore eyes on you, but you in turn made it worse. Playing it off as a joke didn't help you out.
He had his choice, he decided to go after me. He got lucky because scum had a solid chance at taking out the cop but they didn't.
Me backing off had nothing to do with confidence. It was to give you rope and room to double down and you did.i played it off as a joke because me joking around like that fits my MO in these games lately.
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Did he tell you this?
I mean you've been all over the place of late so who knows
Here's kdes dismissing my gut read JP was scum based on gameplay. (you did too virm)
(this is cwe's list)
Jordo
virmicious
Kangus
JP
BBF
TimeSplitter
HFR
Kdestiny
Notice HFR made a point to say at the top of the list. Confirmed scum pointed a finger at me you and Kangus. JP is 4 but forth place isn't top.
Annnnnnd HFR was suspicious of me and you going after JP in that same fucking post.
Except I've been completely clear and 100 percent about why I backed off since I was asked
Virm if you would like to win the game then kill Kdestiny. It's as simple as that.
Grasping for those straws isn't a great look.
That was CWEs read based on clear or not. He didn't straight up finger point, just asking for reads which a lot of this is based on.
I gave my info straight up with no strings, that's all I can do is give the facts I've been given
Curious to me that you're pretty much silent all game but when I'm cleared you are able to pop in. It's too much of a coincidence to just ignore.
Forgive me but I'm not overly concerned with what you think is a great look.
However scum rarely ever directly points a finger, it's nearly always soft by the very nature of trying to remain hidden.
However it's confirmed scum trying to draw attention to me in particular, virm at number two and Kangus at three.
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In what world would HFR try to point at me if I was also scum and he knew that?
I've directly pointed a finger so what does that mean?
Only confirmed things we know is our dees. I have you a scum and have been cleared.
Your white knight came in to try to save you, but hoping it's too late.
Virm has his shot with Jordo or Kangus. Take your pick. Flip a coin at this point. It has to be one of those two.
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Smokescreen Jordo. Just like you did with your false claim.
Late game my dude. We are all pot committed now.
Oh as a townie who can not be lynched and who also does not have a role I felt no need to contribute immediately as the game progressed. But circumstances change and here I am. Hope that clears it up. Any other questions Kdestiny?
So you had 0 reads the entire game?
I think you were trying to blend in
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Though I guess it worked for you until this point
Blend in? The first thing I did in the game was tell Mazer to shoot me. The very first thing! I wanted that damn gun!
Bloodshed is usually your first go to regardless of the game
Yes, bloodshed as a result of Mazer dying and me claiming ownership of the gun. This could only happen if I were town. The alternative outcome is essentially suicide which would have been an odd tactic don't you think Kdestiny?
Why would he shoot someone telling him to shoot them? Makes no sense for town or scum.
Once again, it being early doesn't mean a whole lot. There's no reason for town to shoot someone who says to just shoot them, so maybe that's the tactic you went for.
I mean you weren't overflowing with hot takes either
But I haven't disappeared off of the face of the earth, I've at least chimed in a bit because I'm trying to offer help. Reads aren't the most help, but I'll offer them when I have them because I think in this game they are needed.
Things were getting tighter and you rambled a lot after claiming you had info you didn't. Now when I'm cleared Kangus decides to appear after you are treading water.
Connecting the dots
If virm shoots me or kangus this will be a great fucking win for scum.
I've done everything I can here
Kdes has played a lovely end game.
I hate him.
JP has played a lovely end game
I hate him.
If my trail and l HFR pointing a finger at me virm and Kangus doesn't convince virm I'm not sure what will
Confirmed scum...said we should look at the top of a list... I was the very top of.
It's fucking I have to argue how fucking solid that is. Keep your gin JP I'm drinking bourbon
Just follow the actual info that's been given and you'll see that the target should come down to Jordo or Kangus.
The fact that Jordo has gotten so wound up has me amused though. Kangus can't help you here scum!
That's such a fucking cop out.
"follow the real info"
The real info is what me and Kangus havd given.
Everything you've said has been cop out bullshit. You haven't made one solid point I couldn't rebuttal. I've had logical answers for every question asked of me.
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Virm feel free to ask me anything as well
I haven't given bullshit, I've given the info straight up.
You are grasping at what you can because your back is against the wall. I got the info on HFR and he was scum. You claimed such. Your scheme is clever, but not clever enough.
Your shtick has gotten a little tired though, maybe kangus can give you tips in the chat since he was able to slip under the radar for so long.
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Virm can ask anyone anything, but you are going to be the one feeding him line after scummy scummy line.
Virm, end this, you know what you need to do.
I told you who I was going to target before I did it.
Confirmed scum tried to point a finger at me.
I'm clean
Kdes and JP have both lied about being cops. They're both scum.
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End it virm
Keep grasping
Not really much else to say that hasn’t been said. Just gotta trust the info that’s been brought forth and not false claims.
the end.
I agree with this totally.
Shoot kdes
You are the OG false claim.
When you come up scum, I'll still love you Jordo.
Only if Virm targets you or kangus though.
Fuck all those quotes weren't supposed to go on that post.
There is JP pointing at virm me and ts, all three of which are town also within a couple posts of HFR pointing at the top of cwe's list
Then kdes saying HFR is his clearest (right before he "investigated" him)
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I honestly don't think I'm ever going to be able to forgive you for this end game
Aww come on, it's only a game.
When you're outed as scum I'll gladly buy you a bourbon
As the bell of the ball it's time to ask the real question.
Who is going to stimulate my paypal?
Let the bidding begin.
No.
Even though you're a Cubs fan you should at least relish in the fact that we got the football schedule today
*spits on hands*
See jordo is speaking my language. Forgot kdest is fucking swine. Let me engrave my bullet
Shooooooot kdes
Really want to shoot jp in his pee pee
That works too
Virm, you are going to feel really really silly when you find out Jordo played you.
I'm trying to make it as easy as possible.
Yes I like the Cardinals, but the Cubs have been the better team lately am I wrong?
Don't make this mistake and lose on all of the hard work town had done to this point
Not gonna lie, after everything you said in the scum chat in the last but one game about wanting to kill me, I thought we'd lost the moment you got the gun. Proved me wrong on that one already by waiting for info on the investigation of HHH, so fair play.
I have to learn a little bit from this, because apparently everybody has noticed how different my game has been this time around. When you're town you have to work with people, not against them. Confrontation, aggression and posting a hell of a lot are things I use quite liberally when scum as they add pressure to the game and normally help to spread the suspicion around and maybe even offer cover for other scum members. The obvious reason as to why I haven't been like that this game is because I'm town. As I get closer to possibly winning as scum, I get more and more excited. Now, that's not a tactic, that's just my natural reaction. All the traits I mentioned will be turned to 11 and you'll never see me shut up, trying to force the kill instead of working with people to work things out.
The boring but obvious reason that's not happening this game is because I'm town.
It's all over Jordo's posts though (and Kangus's to a certain extent, but trying to force kills is Kangus whether scum or town and why we love them so).
So, yeah. Jordo and Kangus are the scum, kdestiny and me town. Kangus doesn't have much of a tell depending on if he's town or scum, but both me and Jordo do. I've played this as I play when I'm town, Jordo's got loud, domineering and thrown confusion into the mix (why would anybody think there would be a GF? We were told the rules beforehand and what would be included. It was simply a way for him to muddy the water).
Shoot Jordo or Kangus and we can get to having Tequilla shots with CWE in the Saloon. Unless he's had all of it by now, which I think is a very real possibility.
Virm, this post is the most obvious for me.
I say something incredibly simple to understand (either Jordo or kdestiny was lying, whoever the cop was [and and it was me] would have immediately known everybody else's alignment based on the result of an investigation on either) and pretends as if it's not accurate.
That was Day 2. Apparently my supposed scummy ally thought it was a great idea to shine my name up front and centre on day 2! Did you also fucking notice how I didn't even defend myself as the time ticked away to mere minutes? Not a peep from me! Please tell me what elaborate plan involves offering up a fellow scum, ONE OF ONLY THREE I MIGHT ADD, at this early stage of the game? I think you'll find as a townie I was completely at ease with my name being out there as I certainly couldn't be killed by Jarrod nor would it bother me to be investigated.
Also, you keep mentioning Jordo as if he's hasn't properly addressed any of his posts. He's responded to everything you've thrown at him to a very satisfactory degree I would say. I still haven't seen either of you address his HHH hidden post. I'm not going to speak for him but Virm please go back to day one and re-read Jordo's questions about the game. It's genuinely a guy trying to figure out the rules wouldn't you say?
I mean if I was lying it'd be easy to infer I was scum, but mathematically it wouldn't be a sure thing.
They both think it was insurance or I got insanely lucky
I knew I was town and Virm was town. That left two out of you, kangus, T/S and kdestiny.
One of you and kdestiny was lying, so a check on either of you is a check on both of you. I found out kdestiny isn't scum, so that means you have to be.
That meant that one of T/S or Kangus was scum. T/S was killed, which means Kangus had to be the last remaining scum.
But please, continue on this path, because you're just emphasisng you didn't consider the numbers (which you had no need to as scum).
My dude, you getting a clean kdes read is different than kangus getting a dirty kdes read.
You've laid out how it works for you and you're right, I never said you weren't. I just said it's all based on bullshit dees.
Kangus getting a dirty kdes read would mean either you or I would be the last scum. While kangus could totally make the jump that I'm the last scum because me and kdes both claimed, mathmatically for kangus, the last scum could of been me or you, until you false claimed.
Ebwop
Kangus could totally make the jump that I'm clean because me and kdes both claimed**
It's not hard to understand how kangus has a different set of math here than you because his real dees are opposite of your bullshit dees.
Dicking around with math posts is just trying to confuse people (virm)
How much time is left?
I'm getting very tired
About 28 hours remain.
Man alive. You and kdestiny both claimed to have been the cop that investigated HFR. Nobody spoke up to say you were both lying, so one of you had to be telling the truth. If Kangus had investigated kdestiny and found him to be scum, you would have to be clear and I (the remaining alive player except the already clear Virm) would have to be scum.
You guys messed up on the numbers. It happens, God knows I've done it before as scum, but it means it's a bit easier for us to point out the flaws in your set up.
You and Kangus didn't consider that the numbers meant the other remaining player would HAVE to be scum. Because of that, you both presented a front that I "revealed" myself when I shared my dees, where a real cop would have known before any supposed "reveal".
You tripped up.
This is pointless lol.
I actually get what you're saying now but it's still pointless. Kangus didnt account for the fact that because no one else spoke up one of us had to be telling the truth.
You right JP
Neither of you did. All the best laid plans go to waste, eh?
On an unrelated note, it's a Bank Holiday, and despite not being able to go out, I've been drinking since silly early. It's just past 3 and I'm twelvety sheets to the wind. Wohoo!
I feel like we need some mood music
A friend brought over a bottle of scotch last night. Holy fuck does it not agree with me in the wake upOn an unrelated note, it's a Bank Holiday, and despite not being able to go out, I've been drinking since silly early. It's just past 3 and I'm twelvety sheets to the wind. Wohoo!
Virm my dude... This game is killing me. What is the hold up on the decision?
Just to be fucking clear, what JP is claiming about me 'messing up the numbers' is ridiculous.
At the beginning of the this current day phase I knew this:
Scum: Kdestiny
Unknown: JP, Jordo
Town: Virm, Kangus
JP claims I should have AUTOMATICALLY moved Jordo to the Town column at this point by virtue of his actions of the previous day. But HOWEVER LIKELY OR UNLIKELY someone's alignment is based on mere gameplay it does the town no favours to unquestioningly declare them town.
JP then made the following post as the day began:
At this point I could be very certain JP was the last remaining scum and responded with this post
And that was it. Very uncomplicated. Any other questions?
Dont worry about.
I can't believe kangus is going to save his scum buddy by just popping in on a whim and claiming some false information.
Virm, don't mess this one up
What false information? Please be specific. Where did I err?
Claiming to have it for starters based on what it looks like.
Your effort with Jordo, while clever, can't have happened.
But really I'm just repeating myself at this point.
Jordo even pointed out that he breadcrumbed and no action was taken, which had me believing he had to be scum. With your backing of him you've only solidified who the real culprits should be.
Virm isn't gonna fuck anything up. The evidence is massive you and JP are scum
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I left a trail, same as a hider would do.
It's legal
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LEGAL!
I even pm'd psycho after I did it because I was so fucking giddy about how brilliant it was.
And I was right to do it because you're false claiming scummy ass tried to claim too.
You.. You.. You...
Butt hole
In the game set up how would leaving a trail be a rule break? Tell me how it makes the game unfair kdes.
What evidence? There's none other than me handing over scum and you walking it back because you knew that I had the actual info. Come on, we've been over this.
I give you credit for your scheme, but there's no chance I could be scum considering I had that info. I was checked but now your white knight is trying to keep you afloat after having done nothing all game long.
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It's in the rules, breadcrumbing is not allowed and people have been modified for it
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Modkilled
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leaving a trail is literally breadcrumbing ffs
Oh this is very scummy
I've lost my fucking mind at this point.
Do what you're gonna do virm. I think I've argued my side to death.
I'm very very tired
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I'm town, Kangus is town.
You're town virm. Kill kdes of JP and let's go to bed.
I've given info straight up killing scum and came up clean.
I am definitely town
Nope
Of course you wouldn't think that
I know
Look at how carefully kdes picks his words, it's why he repeats himself.
He's being careful to not slip
I'm being precise because that's what town needs to win.
I'm not gonna walk back what I say
I've found out that hangovers in lockdown are somehow even worse than normal.
The way I'm going today, by tomorrow I may actually want to be shot in real life.
I can't speak for kdestiny, but consistency isn't a scum trait, it's town. Scum modify or dismiss their story as the game does to try and keep up. You guys buggered up the numbers and now Kangus is modifying it to include stuff which is chaff, you dismissed it as irrelevant.
Oh okay, so nothing specifically. Great. Also, why are you worried about Jordo breadcrumbing when if he were scum the HHH post a day before he was investigated would be a mere coincidence?
Because of he had truly gotten that info, wouldn't he have gotten modkilled?
I guess I don't know how lax things are with breadcrumbing, but I figure outright saying you did it would be grounds for it...
Unless he wasn't actually the cop
Nah mate. It's what we've been taught since we were little. The danger of telling a lie is that another must follow behind it, and another, and another, and soon you're lost in a web of them. Lie after lie, folding and twisting, each nudging the one before and after.
It's hard my dude and I feel for you.
Because it's hard to keep them straight. Because once they stack to a certain point it's all you are. You can't talk and converse like a normal person anymore because the fear of being discovered has eliminated any ability to riff. You fall into repeating a route memorization because improve could very easily lead to the entire structure collapsing around you.
JP is better at it.
Maybe because he's drunk.
But you're not, and I can see it. I can see it in the repeated phrases and the robotic delivery. Don't feel bad though my dude, not being comfortable in the world of untruth means you're probably a well adjusted dude. You probably have truly loving relationships, your parents are probably very proud of you.
But you can't tell a story. You can't make the world believe your lie. I see it and I'm sure virm does too.
You've played great man, you've made me want to put my fist through a fucking wall but you don't have the pizaz to bring this one home.
I've been off the wall this game, I've looked scummy and I've said and done things town probably wouldn't. That's because I've been clean since day one, I had no ulterior motives. I wanted town to win and everything I've done regardless of how you want to paint it has been in the idea of town winning.
Maybe you guys were threatened by it, I can't wait to read your scum chat. I gotta know if HFR was worried about me and that's why he quoted cwe's list. If that's why JP pointed a finger at me.
I think it was.
I think virm is going to do the right thing and put a bullet in you. Because I have nothing to hide, I've played with my dick and balls on the table. You've played scared.
I've played scared?
I'm the one who left all the info out there, I didn't need to walk back a claim I made.
That's because I trusted my info, and because you didn't really get info so you had to scramble.
I don't "tell stories" because in this game the truth matters so forgive me for not paying full attention to your "stories"
"walk back a claim"
Another kdesism
That's what you did though, am I wrong?
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