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    The plane ride from Hell was a fucked up situation. How many people other than Goldust were fired because of that? Perfect?

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    Looks like they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

    Season four:
    The Outrageous Gags of Mister Fugi
    Greg Gagne’s Tall Tales of the AWA
    The Day King Kong Bundy Slammed A ‘Midget’
    Blading in Pro Wrestling Unveiled!
    How to do a drop kick with Don Muraco
    Bad News Brown Stain*


    *Andre The Giant Diarrhea Incident

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Looks like they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

    Season four:
    The Outrageous Gags of Mister Fugi
    Greg Gagne’s Tall Tales of the AWA
    The Day King Kong Bundy Slammed A ‘Midget’
    Blading in Pro Wrestling Unveiled!
    How to do a drop kick with Don Muraco
    Bad News Brown Stain*


    *Andre The Giant Diarrhea Incident
    I would love to hear Greg Gagne tell us about how he created the nWo storyline, invented Hulkamania, and helped bring Hogan to WCW.

    Truthfully, these are incredible stories. If you're ignorant to their importance then I suggest you watching them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I would love to hear Greg Gagne tell us about how he created the nWo storyline, invented Hulkamania, and helped bring Hogan to WCW.

    Truthfully, these are incredible stories. If you're ignorant to their importance then I suggest you watching them.

    Obviously, you’ve already heard all of Gagne’s stories as we all have....

    as far as them ‘all’ being ‘incredible’, that’s a matter of opinion, not fact based on who is or isn’t hip to what you consider to be incredible or that makes them ignorant.

    My point simply was and is that the third year seems to be slipping in terms of ‘behind the curtain’ type of storytelling to general knowledge stories all wrestling fans know.

    Theres only so many Snuka’s, Benoits, Bruiser Brody, Von Erichs, Dino Bravos et all, etc. out there to do behind the scenes horror stories on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Obviously, you’ve already heard all of Gagne’s stories as we all have....

    as far as them ‘all’ being ‘incredible’, that’s a matter of opinion, not fact based on who is or isn’t hip to what you consider to be incredible or that makes them ignorant.

    My point simply was and is that the third year seems to be slipping in terms of ‘behind the curtain’ type of storytelling to general knowledge stories all wrestling fans know.

    Theres only so many Snuka’s, Benoits, Bruiser Brody, Von Erichs, Dino Bravos et all, etc. out there to do behind the scenes horror stories on.
    I don't mean ignorant in a bad way, I'll use the word "not familiar" with some of these topics then you might write them off. It was just a general statement toward people who are not familiar with stuff like FMW, Nick Gage, Plane Ride from Hell, you'd have to be a pretty big fan of wrestling to know any of that stuff.

    I'll be honest, these shows are cool but they don't do the business any favors because it's such a niche product. It's like when people hear heavy metal, most just assume it's long haired tatted up devil worshippers. People see this show and it just adds to the stereotype that wrestlers are pretty much piece of shit psychopaths for the most part.

    But as a fan, these are great. If you're just wanting the same 10 stories that have been told 340 different ways in the last 20-30 years, this ain't for you. If you're willing to expand your knowledge, this is good. I mean, YOU might feel negative about say the XPW episode and then you watch it and become a fan--I hope you don't, XPW was terrible but until we see these shows drop who knows. For me, The Dino Bravo episode wasn't fascinating at all. He was a low card talent and his death was what it was. I doubt even a casual who remembered him from 1988 had been wondering whatever happened to Dino Bravo lol.

    They're not for the casual who only knows Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, and John Cena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Looks like they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

    Season four:
    The Outrageous Gags of Mister Fugi
    Greg Gagne’s Tall Tales of the AWA
    The Day King Kong Bundy Slammed A ‘Midget’
    Blading in Pro Wrestling Unveiled!
    How to do a drop kick with Don Muraco
    Bad News Brown Stain*


    *Andre The Giant Diarrhea Incident
    Fuji was the WWF's "fixer" on the road. It was his job to clean up all kinds of dark shit no one ever heard about. You joke but that would end up being the darkest episode of Dark Side of the Ring and they're doing an episode on Grizzly Smith.

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    I'm interested in all of them to be honest. Some of them I already know quite a bit about but I'm looking forward to seeing how they tackle them (plane ride from hell and collision in korea for example). I know very little about Bruiser Bedlam or even Kanyon really outside of his coming out and suicide. Nick Gage and Dynamite Kid are pretty fascinating characters who wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans alike would be intrigued by. I'm not sure that Warrior, Luna or Pillman stand out as having particularly interesting stories beyond the ways that they died but maybe I'll be surprised. The Grizzly Smith story is obviously the darkest shit here - I hope they go after the people who gave him jobs and worked with him for so long despite his crimes apparently being common knowledge. I've heard Jake talk about him on podcasts in the past but I'm not sure he's ever gone into that much detail. Plenty of criminality involved with XPW and FMW as well and I hope they've got interviews with the key players from both promotions.

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    The Pillman episode is up on YouTube now, it's a two parter so you'll have wait for part 2 though. Was really good and was a lot darker than I expected, I knew most of the story as most on here will but still revealed quite a lot more than I didn't know or know in that much detail.

    Its only got to the point where he's had the car crash so hasn't really got into drugs, injury, depression and his death yet and it's quite a horrifying story.

    Seemed like a very conflicted guy, caused a lot of his own problems but still despite doing some pretty bad stuff comes across as a likeable bloke as well

    I live this series, it's just loads of interesting stories, I mean they've somewhat put themselves in a corner with the name of the show cause there's a lot of stories that they could expand on that doesn't have bad endings but the premise and what people expect is total tragedy now.

    They still have loads they can cover though, they could easily get another 4/5 series out if they want to but it'll be more obscure stories at that point.

    Hopefully it'll also inspire some to make similar documentaries looking at some of the stories that aren't so tragic though as there's some great ones where people have had to overcome adversity in their lives to become a success. It's not all downbeat int he wretling industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Fuji was the WWF's "fixer" on the road. It was his job to clean up all kinds of dark shit no one ever heard about. You joke but that would end up being the darkest episode of Dark Side of the Ring and they're doing an episode on Grizzly Smith.
    Really thinking about it man if someone could have gotten Fuji to talk near the end it would have been something. He knew where all the bodies were buried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    I'm interested in all of them to be honest. Some of them I already know quite a bit about but I'm looking forward to seeing how they tackle them (plane ride from hell and collision in korea for example). I know very little about Bruiser Bedlam or even Kanyon really outside of his coming out and suicide. Nick Gage and Dynamite Kid are pretty fascinating characters who wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans alike would be intrigued by. I'm not sure that Warrior, Luna or Pillman stand out as having particularly interesting stories beyond the ways that they died but maybe I'll be surprised. The Grizzly Smith story is obviously the darkest shit here - I hope they go after the people who gave him jobs and worked with him for so long despite his crimes apparently being common knowledge. I've heard Jake talk about him on podcasts in the past but I'm not sure he's ever gone into that much detail. Plenty of criminality involved with XPW and FMW as well and I hope they've got interviews with the key players from both promotions.
    I'm speaking on this as someone who hasn't watched the Pillman episode yet on YouTube but there are a lot of fucked up stories ESPECIALLY after he died. Listen to his son talk about what their mom did with all that money Vince gave her, the money from the memorial shows, etc. Plus he had to put up with a ton of shit during his early days in WCW, his childhood was rough too.

    Luna will be cool. Gangrel is such a good dude and he's lightly touched on her demons over the years. This is actually one of the more interesting ones for me because I do not know much about her outside of the WWF and ECW stuff she did, the shoots she's done were pretty eye opening, very awesome, very cool yet tough as fuck woman.

    Warrior.....The dealings with him behind the scenes, his speaking engagements at colleges after his wrestling career ended, and then the obvious craziness behind his sudden passing after cutting one of the greatest promos of all time (for me) foreshadowing his death like he was Biggie Smalls.

    I'm intrigued with the Grizzly Smith one as well. BEYOND THE MAT was really the introduction most of us fans who weren't deep deep deep in the dirt sheets had to not just Grizzly Smith but the darkness involved in that story. It wasn't until I saw that Jake the Snake DVD the WWF put out that I even knew about what happened to Jake's sister. Maybe I did and just never registered it, but holy shit that family is fucking insane.

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    I had no idea Gangrel and Luna were married.

    Pillman’s son is in some of the DDPY classes I’ve been doing so they’ll be an easy one to get my wife to watch with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    I had no idea Gangrel and Luna were married.

    Pillman’s son is in some of the DDPY classes I’ve been doing so they’ll be an easy one to get my wife to watch with me.
    Yep and now that you know it's one of those "That makes total sense" LOL. If you ever get a chance, look up a shoot they did together, probably early early 2000's. I can't find the full interview but holy shit, Luna is the baddest bitch of all time:


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    Thanks man, I’ll check it out. I vaguely remember her during her time in WWF but she’s not really standing out in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    Thanks man, I’ll check it out. I vaguely remember her during her time in WWF but she’s not really standing out in my mind.
    Oh man if you were watching from like 1994-1999ish I think she was there heavily. Especially when Sable hit. Hop on the Network and check out some of her stuff. I think the last shit she did was the Oddities with ICP, Golga, Giant Silva, and Kurgan. I know in that shoot I shared, well the full shoot, she just shits on ICP so hard. HOnestly I don't think she liked anyone in the business, including Gangrel lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Oh man if you were watching from like 1994-1999ish I think she was there heavily. Especially when Sable hit. Hop on the Network and check out some of her stuff. I think the last shit she did was the Oddities with ICP, Golga, Giant Silva, and Kurgan. I know in that shoot I shared, well the full shoot, she just shits on ICP so hard. HOnestly I don't think she liked anyone in the business, including Gangrel lol.
    Yeah I was a big fan back then so I’m obviously blocking her out of my memory haha. I remember the Oddities but barely remember her at all. It’s crazy how much of the late 90s wrestling I’ve forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    Yeah I was a big fan back then so I’m obviously blocking her out of my memory haha. I remember the Oddities but barely remember her at all. It’s crazy how much of the late 90s wrestling I’ve forgotten.
    I'll throw some shit out here:

    Bam Bam Bigelow/Luna v. Doink/Dink @ Mania 10.

    Goldust managed by Luna when he was doing the Manson-dust shit.

    The evening gown match with Sable.

    If you really want to dive into her library, check out ECW. She teamed up w/ Dreamer challenging Raven/Richards for the tag-team titles. Then she did a steel-caged match against Stevie and I THINK that's where we get the iconic footage of Raven cuffed to the cage and gets crushed by a chair via Dreamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'll throw some shit out here:

    Bam Bam Bigelow/Luna v. Doink/Dink @ Mania 10.

    Goldust managed by Luna when he was doing the Manson-dust shit.

    The evening gown match with Sable.

    If you really want to dive into her library, check out ECW. She teamed up w/ Dreamer challenging Raven/Richards for the tag-team titles. Then she did a steel-caged match against Stevie and I THINK that's where we get the iconic footage of Raven cuffed to the cage and gets crushed by a chair via Dreamer.
    I do remember her with Bam Bam and the evening gown match with Sable. Definitely don’t remember her with Goldust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
    I do remember her with Bam Bam and the evening gown match with Sable. Definitely don’t remember her with Goldust.
    I think this was right around the time of the Sable feud. This is when Mero came back and was like an abusive husband.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The plane ride from Hell was a fucked up situation. How many people other than Goldust were fired because of that? Perfect?

    Perfect was... and I believe this was the last straw for Scott Hall as well.

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    That era felt like the culmination of decades of the wrestling business being "darker" than what people ever truly understood. When Eddie died then a year or so later Benoit killed himself and his family the WWE had no choice but to really start trying to make a bigger effort in cleaning up the business. Even if other promotions and parts of the world didn't and still haven't followed suit, they had no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Really thinking about it man if someone could have gotten Fuji to talk near the end it would have been something. He knew where all the bodies were buried.
    Fuji talked all the time:

    ”Pain, torture”

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    Pillman DSTOR was just sad. It just made me really sad for all those kids.

    I've enjoyed watching Pillman Jr grow as a performer. I'm not too keen on the Varsity Blonds, but he's leagues better than he was in the Hart Foundation in MLW. Give him another 2-3 years and that kid will be a beast in the ring.

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    Collision in korea has been the most surprising episode this season. I knew about it, but never heard any of these stories before.

    Scorpio is the fucking man btw

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    I had never heard of it.

    Scott Norton is such a dumbass. Who goes to North Korea and doesn't think their phone is going to be tapped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I had never heard of it.

    Scott Norton is such a dumbass. Who goes to North Korea and doesn't think their phone is going to be tapped?
    This was in 1995 though. and he was talking to his wife and trying to calm her down. I can see why he wasn't thinking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Fuji talked all the time:

    ”Pain, torture”
    "And you will suffaaaaaaah"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Collision in korea has been the most surprising episode this season. I knew about it, but never heard any of these stories before.

    Scorpio is the fucking man btw
    I always liked Scorpio and it seemed odd to me at the time that he was just gone from WCW. Now I guess we know a little more why. Him saying he had Hawk's eyeball halfway out of his skull made me wince. I also get why Bischoff was genuinely concerned for that woman that was supposed to keep an eye on him, but he went for a jog and she was livid. I hope they didn't disappear her after they left.

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    It's almost impossible to believe everything you hear especially after Jake the Snake flat out lied about the Warrior angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It's almost impossible to believe everything you hear especially after Jake the Snake flat out lied about the Warrior angle.
    About them being a tag team or about Warrior saying he didn't care about Jake or his family?

    It was pretty obvious his ex wife was making up a lot of that shit at the gym that Warrior supposedly said to her. It felt like an improv comedy sketch, yes and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    About them being a tag team or about Warrior saying he didn't care about Jake or his family?

    It was pretty obvious his ex wife was making up a lot of that shit at the gym that Warrior supposedly said to her. It felt like an improv comedy sketch, yes and...
    No, the part where Jake said he was going to feud with Warrior and get the World title run he'd been waiting on lol. It was total bullshit, he's never once said in like 2 billion interviews over the last 20 years that him and Warrior were going to feud for the World title and he was going to win it. He WAS going to feud with Warrior, he DID have to go talk to Warrior and get his approval, but it was never in a million years going to be for the World title.

    I remember watching it with my friend and we were like, hold up, wasn't Hogan champ? Then didn't it get vacated, Flair wins it, Jake is fuckin gone by Mania 8 doing the job to Undertaker on his way out. There's no way Vince in 1991 was going to put the belt back on Warrior so quickly and then give it to Jake lol.

    I'm not going to speak on his ex-wife. They spent way too much time on that aspect but that's all they really had. Nobody of worth participated beyond JR and Cornette which was good enough for me. The downside was that they had pretty much NOBODY from the 80's and early early 90's speaking on Warrior. They couldn't find anyone but Jake? Then again....Pretty much everyone he worked with are deceased or in the WWE. I assume Sting's rate I mean morals were too high for this lowbrow shitshow (which I love).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'm not going to speak on his ex-wife. They spent way too much time on that aspect but that's all they really had. Nobody of worth participated beyond JR and Cornette which was good enough for me. The downside was that they had pretty much NOBODY from the 80's and early early 90's speaking on Warrior. They couldn't find anyone but Jake? Then again....Pretty much everyone he worked with are deceased or in the WWE. I assume Sting's rate I mean morals were too high for this lowbrow shitshow (which I love).
    Sting turned them down. Hogan is part of WWE and I don't think they allow them to participate. I guess they couldn't gotten Honkey Tonk Man? I can't think of anyone else that is alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Sting turned them down. Hogan is part of WWE and I don't think they allow them to participate. I guess they couldn't gotten Honkey Tonk Man? I can't think of anyone else that is alive.
    Yeah they had really no one they could use and unfortunately those they did couldn't even acknowledge the guy was a top guy, a legend, and influenced many many people that have been in wrestling the last 30 years.

    I haven't seen the A&E one but I heard it's not exactly any better lol.

    The truth is, I was never a Warrior fan despite my mom thinking I was and buying me a poster for my birthday back in 1989-1990. I just wasn't into those super jacked chiseled dudes and I've never been a dick about in-ring ability considering Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan are my #1 and #4 favorites of all time respectively. But holy shit this guy was a tool. I still wish him and Nash fought for real like Nash proposed, 500k from each, winner take all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Sting turned them down. Hogan is part of WWE and I don't think they allow them to participate. I guess they couldn't gotten Honkey Tonk Man? I can't think of anyone else that is alive.

    Just remembered Flair, Million Dollar Man and Slaughter but they are all associated with WWE.

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    Jake's timeline was really throwing me off too, I've never heard anything about this big Jake-Warrior run. Not from Jake, Bruce, any of the conrad people, nothing.

    I've heard more about jake signing his rights away to the WWF so he could go get a fat WCW contract and then Bill Watts came in and killed that too

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    I heard about the potential Jake/Warrior feud but not for the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah they had really no one they could use and unfortunately those they did couldn't even acknowledge the guy was a top guy, a legend, and influenced many many people that have been in wrestling the last 30 years.

    I haven't seen the A&E one but I heard it's not exactly any better lol.
    They had Sam Roberts and Peter Rosenberg featured. That should tell you enough about that. I can't believe they didn't have a recent interview with Hogan.

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    Watched the Warrior episode last night and they had nothing but his ex wife, who was faking every word. This was a disappointing episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Watched the Warrior episode last night and they had nothing but his ex wife, who was faking every word. This was a disappointing episode.
    I definitely think she had crocodile tears but I can't say she was faking every word.

    Shit I didn't even know the guy was married prior to Dana.

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    I thought his ex wife came of fairly well. She didn't really shit on him even though she could have and probables gave him more props than anyone else ever has.

    It was a poor episode though. Basically just said he was a shit wrestler with a good look and energy and he rubbed the guys up the wrong way with his ego.

    Everyone already knew this, didn't even get into roids which was probably the best angle they could have had for making it more grim.

    Worst of the three series so far.

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    Fuck. What an episode. Just fuck Grizzley Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    I thought his ex wife came of fairly well. She didn't really shit on him even though she could have and probables gave him more props than anyone else ever has.

    It was a poor episode though. Basically just said he was a shit wrestler with a good look and energy and he rubbed the guys up the wrong way with his ego.

    Everyone already knew this, didn't even get into roids which was probably the best angle they could have had for making it more grim.

    Worst of the three series so far.
    The problem I have with some of these shows is that there is very little that they cover that we didn't already know over the last 20-25 years. Like the Montreal episode, there was absolutely nothing I had never heard, including Scott Hall's take on it being a work.

    So with Warrior, and others, I have to remember not everyone is a big mark like me when it comes to wrestling lol. My best friend for example isn't one but he loves wrestling and he was blown away by the episode. He had never heard about Warrior doing the public speakings and what that entailed lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Fuck. What an episode. Just fuck Grizzley Smith.
    This was a particularly dark one like but I think we all knew it would be.

    As fucked up as some of the 80s lots were I can't even imagine what a lot of the 60s and 70s wrestlers were able to get away with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The problem I have with some of these shows is that there is very little that they cover that we didn't already know over the last 20-25 years. Like the Montreal episode, there was absolutely nothing I had never heard, including Scott Hall's take on it being a work.

    So with Warrior, and others, I have to remember not everyone is a big mark like me when it comes to wrestling lol. My best friend for example isn't one but he loves wrestling and he was blown away by the episode. He had never heard about Warrior doing the public speakings and what that entailed lol.
    Yeah, I mean it's gonna be targeting different audiences but it just wasn't particularly dark. He lived a pretty good life and made the most out of what he had. Excelled even when you take into account he wasn't very talented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Yeah, I mean it's gonna be targeting different audiences but it just wasn't particularly dark. He lived a pretty good life and made the most out of what he had. Excelled even when you take into account he wasn't very talented.
    I think the "dark" stuff was the contract issues with WWF and then the 5 minutes they spent on his public speaking debacle.

    I mean, they had to resort to Jake the Snake lying just to fill some void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think the "dark" stuff was the contract issues with WWF and then the 5 minutes they spent on his public speaking debacle.

    I mean, they had to resort to Jake the Snake lying just to fill some void.
    Just a bit grasping at straws ain't it. Bloke has disagreement with boss over money basically happens everyday.

    Public speaking debacle was just that he was a bit of prick but maybes people buy into that I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Just a bit grasping at straws ain't it. Bloke has disagreement with boss over money basically happens everyday.

    Public speaking debacle was just that he was a bit of prick but maybes people buy into that I guess.
    I don't think it was grasping at straws when it was a common theme in Warrior's dealings with both WWF and WCW. That was nothing new.

    "He was a bit of a prick" is putting it mildly. He was a bigot, homophobic racist. They could've gone deeper into his views but it would've pretty much shit on the dead and we didn't need more of that. IDK, maybe you're ignorant to what kind of person he was and how he felt toward gays, blacks, etc.

    I like how you just write that shit off like it's no big deal. Eh he tried to fuck Vince over 3-4 times, that's normal! Oh he said some racist/homophobic comments multiple times throughout the years-eh, who cares!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I don't think it was grasping at straws when it was a common theme in Warrior's dealings with both WWF and WCW. That was nothing new.

    "He was a bit of a prick" is putting it mildly. He was a bigot, homophobic racist. They could've gone deeper into his views but it would've pretty much shit on the dead and we didn't need more of that. IDK, maybe you're ignorant to what kind of person he was and how he felt toward gays, blacks, etc.

    I like how you just write that shit off like it's no big deal. Eh he tried to fuck Vince over 3-4 times, that's normal! Oh he said some racist/homophobic comments multiple times throughout the years-eh, who cares!
    Loads of people have tried to rip Vince off over the years though and load aid people get sacked or quit for not getting the money they want all the time. It's not particularly bad, it just meant that Warrior valued himself higher than Vince valued him and he quit.

    Well yeah all that shit is bad but they didn't get into it that much as you said. If they are gonna do it then do, don't beat about the bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Loads of people have tried to rip Vince off over the years though and load aid people get sacked or quit for not getting the money they want all the time. It's not particularly bad, it just meant that Warrior valued himself higher than Vince valued him and he quit.

    Well yeah all that shit is bad but they didn't get into it that much as you said. If they are gonna do it then do, don't beat about the bush.
    Yeah but how many have the letters between Vince and Warrior. They didn't even read Warrior's. There's a reason I put quotes around dark. They didn't have much that was dark about his life beyond what?

    They could've spent more time on him getting fired several times and the reasons why I guess, they could've dabbled more into his batshit crazy rants. They only had like an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah but how many have the letters between Vince and Warrior. They didn't even read Warrior's. There's a reason I put quotes around dark. They didn't have much that was dark about his life beyond what?

    They could've spent more time on him getting fired several times and the reasons why I guess, they could've dabbled more into his batshit crazy rants. They only had like an hour.

    Yet they managed to fit a load of crap about Jake making mates with Warrior at the HOF in, could have cut loads out and made it more interesting by actually focusing on the stuff that would make it fit into the theme of the series.

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    Dynamite Kid episode was pretty good as expected. I think most the stories about him are out there, couldn't remember the one about him sticking a gun to his wife's head or boxing in garages though so some interesting stuff.

    His book was a great read even though you all suspect there's a lot missing or try to play down incidents. Pretty cool story about Jacques that I never knew as well. One of the better episodes.

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