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    No, just millions of civilians in the middle east.

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    Bodybag biatch

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    Romford the faux moraliser/hypocritical gobshite for our time

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    People just suck, no matter where you're from. Governments are shady, it's all about money anyway. As for me, if it's wrestling, man I don't really care where the show is coming from, I'm just gonna enjoy my in ring action. It's not me supporting foreign governments, it's about me supporting the talent that goes into that ring.

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    Why are some people angry that WWE haven't cancelled WM yet?

    Standard practice to claim on the insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Why are some people angry that WWE haven't cancelled WM yet?

    Standard practice to claim on the insurance.
    Uninformed.

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    I think they see the MLB, NBA, MLS, etc. all suspending their seasons and everyone's like wtf WWE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Why are some people angry that WWE haven't cancelled WM yet?

    Standard practice to claim on the insurance.
    Do you really have to ask this question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    No, just millions of civilians in the middle east.
    Yeah, but they aren't paying WWE $50m to put on a show are they.

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    Romford the faux moraliser/hypocritical gobshite for our time
    Bore off you stupid moron. Post when you have more than one brain cell.

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    I stand by my thoughts that WWE went into this deal with the intention of being at the forefront of change in the country. And now they're caught up in this deal. And they can't get out of it.

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    Of course they could. You don't think they could cancel this deal with Saudis? Based on what?

    WWE couldn't give a fuck about making change. All about making money, that's it.

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    Well, they went from ppl being upset that they even advertised woman wrestling on a weekly show to women having an actual match there so..... progress?

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    Yeah but it is a by product. All the back slapping is nauseating when its profit that is all they care about, lets be honest.

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    There a fucking business.

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    So, what they should do business with anyone then? North Korea next?

    Guess Bryan, Owens and Cena were wrong then.

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    if they were fully against it like they say, they would leave the company

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    I mean..... that would be the ultimate show of defiance and humanitarianism.

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    It has to be about only one thing. Can't be about more than one thing. That'd be ridiculous. Money and progress? Fuck right off.

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    It's happening

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    WWE is about to announce that Mania will not be in Tampa and will be held at the PC.

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    No way . Should use the roster as the crowd.

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    WWE's statement:

    “In coordination with local partners and government officials, WrestleMania and all related events in Tampa Bay will not take place. However, WrestleMania will still stream live on Sunday, April 5 at 7 pm ET on WWE Network and be available on pay-per-view. Only essential personnel will be on the closed set at WWE’s training facility in Orlando, Florida to produce WrestleMania.”

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    way more interested in the show now than i would have been

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    That is absolutely outrageous. Hope it's still 7 hours long.

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    I hope the staff still bring aigns.

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    Per Brandon Thurston's assessment, they'll likely be out at least $23 million from the live gates and march for Mania and Mania weekend. What's salvageable is whatever they get for insurance (if anything) and roughly a projected amount of $9 million from network add-ons for the show.

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    What on bloody Earth is going on?

    This is going to be unlike anything we have ever seen.

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    In fairness, if there's been fuck all else on, ESPN and FOX might sell the shit out of it. They're taking the punt that people globally will be so starved of live entertainment that the money they lose on the gate can be clawed back on the PPV.

    It won't, but I can see the logic. Vince always likes to paint the post-9/11 story of the WWE providing a distraction in dire times, he fancies a bit of that again.

    It's going to be so fucking odd. If they can iron the wrinkles over the next couple of weeks in the PC then it could be artistically salvagable.

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    I am astonished.

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    Cannot believe they aren't just rescheduling for months down the road. I mean its wrestling. We aren't concluding a season or crowning a champion. This show can wait.

    Why do it in an empty garage just because?

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    Love it or hate it, Mania is still going on and Triple H essentially saved the day. He saw the need for the PC and it's saving WWE's ass right now.

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    I've said it before, but even in an (almost) empty arena, Goldberg and Roman Reigns are still going to get booed out of the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Cannot believe they aren't just rescheduling for months down the road. I mean its wrestling. We aren't concluding a season or crowning a champion. This show can wait.

    Why do it in an empty garage just because?
    Unless they're shutting down the stories, they need to be told in the meantime. Venues are going to get more scarce, unless you've already booked them, due to other acts needing to reschedule what they've already postponed.

    Answer: Vince is stubborn and the show must go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Unless they're shutting down the stories, they need to be told in the meantime. Venues are going to get more scarce, unless you've already booked them, due to other acts needing to reschedule what they've already postponed.

    Answer: Vince is stubborn and the show must go on.
    Fuck it. This is gonna be epic.

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    The last matches of Undertaker and Goldberg's careers could take place in front of a couple of hundred staff.

    I'm flabbergasted right now.

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    Do they essentially have all the heels go over to build to the rematches at Summerslam? Surely they won't launch the Drew era in front of nobody. Maybe they switch up the card completely and do their intended card in front of the crowd- write Edge back out, write Cena out, write Taker out, maybe add a body to both title matches to take the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Do they essentially have all the heels go over to build to the rematches at Summerslam? Surely they won't launch the Drew era in front of nobody. Maybe they switch up the card completely and do their intended card in front of the crowd- write Edge back out, write Cena out, write Taker out, maybe add a body to both title matches to take the fall.
    What if this pandemic extends into August?

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    Looks like into July now

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    Hell pump in crowd noise too!

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    Vince is just an endlessly fascinating, mad old bastard isn't he. I love him. How the fuck do you do a massive 7 hour wrestling show in front of a crowd of zero? There will be limited pagentary just based on logistics. It's amazing. What a mad cunt.

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    Obviously, WWE won't be collecting any kind of live gate for this.

    But this could potentially be the most viewed Wrestlemania of all time. There's literally nothing else to watch, no new wrestling, no sports, no new TV episodes of some shows, no movies, you can't leave your house, you can't go out to eat, can't go out to drink, no gatherings of 25 people or more, stores are closed, travel bans, flight bans, if you cough or sneeze the CEA - Corona Enforcement Agents attack you with radial clubs and put you in "quarantine" -- Wrestlemania, even if it looks like its being broadcast out of a high-class High School gym, in front of 25 people who don't really want to be there, is still the only pressing new piece of entertainment worth watching right now.

    If you're out of work and self-isolating, you can only binge watch "The Office" or "Friends" on Netflix for so long, before you need to see something first-run. Even if it is just live wrestling pantomime of the highest order.

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    I love wrestling so much. What a ridiculous industry. It's literally exempt from anything. Unfuckable. Everything called off behind closed doors. Except wrestling. Multiple interviews of wrestlers bragging about sexually assaulting women. Concussions. Just allowed to live in the attic like a mad grandad. It's superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I love wrestling so much. What a ridiculous industry. It's literally exempt from anything. Unfuckable. Everything called off behind closed doors. Except wrestling. Multiple interviews of wrestlers bragging about sexually assaulting women. Concussions. Just allowed to live in the attic like a mad grandad. It's superb.
    A volcano could sprout up from the center of the Earth and be primed to explode with enough force to bathe the entire planet in magma hot enough to burn to the center of the Earth, and Vince would still be worried about who goes over in Cena/Wyatt.

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    At this point they should just work out a deal with FOX and put it on TV instead of PPV (I know Vince will want to try and make some money off it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey73181 View Post
    At this point they should just work out a deal with FOX and put it on TV instead of PPV (I know Vince will want to try and make some money off it)
    That's what the network is for. If anything, they should be hoping Fox comes to them. At the very least, they're getting to advertise on Fox and USA.

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    He absolutely should try and make money out of it. It's the only thing ESPN and FOX will have to talk about all month. They'll never have this much potential live market share. The only show in town. NBA, MLB, NHL, March Madness, UFC, MLS, Top Rank boxing, the Sunshine double in tennis, the Masters - potentially ALL of those fanbases will be wanting to watch "sport" after a months absence.

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    it would be incredible if they put this on TV and it was the most watched wrestling event of all time

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    HOF and Takeover will both not take place as previously scheduled, per Fightful. Takeover is the easier thing to "replicate" because they can do that any Wednesday they want, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    it would be incredible if they put this on TV and it was the most watched wrestling event of all time
    There's going to be a shit ton of mileage to get out of it for future documentaries for the network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    What on bloody Earth is going on?

    This is going to be unlike anything we have ever seen.
    It will certainly be interesting. I think it will be hard to get through the whole show once the novelty wears off though, actually the novelty may be totally worn off before then with the PC weekly shows.

    It would make more sense to have a different show and move it to a later date, you could even have most of the same matches, maybe pull another injury angle for Edge or Orton so that big match gets saved. Other than that match nothing on the card is a must be Mania match.

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    The fact that it was WWE and not Tampa that canceled this may utterly destroy indie wrestling. All those promotions that were running down there are fucked.

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    After that Edge promo, no chance it's getting delayed.

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    Showing the entire Rumble tells me they're gonna run a shorter card.

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    Well, that's quite interesting. Very curious to see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Showing the entire Rumble tells me they're gonna run a shorter card.
    For Mania? I don't see the correlation.

    They're having to improvise right now and showing the Rumble is a safe way to fill time. It's also a different way to promote one of your Mania matches.

    They have established things to get done at Mania so they won't need to air filler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The fact that it was WWE and not Tampa that canceled this may utterly destroy indie wrestling. All those promotions that were running down there are fucked.
    None of the shows had any chance of happening anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    For Mania? I don't see the correlation.

    They're having to improvise right now and showing the Rumble is a safe way to fill time. It's also a different way to promote one of your Mania matches.

    They have established things to get done at Mania so they won't need to air filler.
    The hour this takes to air would theoretically be in place of hype for what would have been the undercard. Can see them leaving off all the tag and midcard titles now. Just run a condensed, 3 hour event with matches that people might pay to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    None of the shows had any chance of happening anyway.
    That's not why.

    Because Tampa hasn't canceled events they are on the hook for all the expenses of the shows without bringing in the income for the shows. Check out the social media of these guys most of them are going to be put out of business by this.

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    I knew Drew couldn't sell out an arena.

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    This is some crazy shit. Going to be one hell of an odd, memorable, and historic show. Bummed that I won't be seeing it at the movie theater (since that shit's out either way) but pretty intrigued to see just what in the balls it's going to be like. Guess I'll get a taste of it when i watch some SD/RAW highlights and this week's NXT but the pageantry and spectacle of Mania (special entrances?) in that setting....man, it's going to be something...

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    Rumour mill is saying TakeOver that weekend will be done on a Wednesday to go head to head with Dynamite and the Hall of Fame speeches will be spread out throughout Raw and Smackdown that week.

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    John Cena already has the tendency to call every spot he does in a match through a loudspeaker. How bad do you think it'll be when he's working in an echo chamber of an empty arena?

    He and Bray Wyatt might as well invite us into the locker room and ask us to help them plan the match at that rate.

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    20 man battle royal might need to be 10 man to avoid the more than 10 people congregation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    John Cena already has the tendency to call every spot he does in a match through a loudspeaker. How bad do you think it'll be when he's working in an echo chamber of an empty arena?

    He and Bray Wyatt might as well invite us into the locker room and ask us to help them plan the match at that rate.

    They got plenty of time. They should just spend the next few weeks choreographing the whole damn thing as if it was a live theatre performance.

    Most of these matches should.

    Ironically, in a wired way, this could be the ultimate way to build your character as a wrestler. We’ve seen what you can do when you have an audience to feed off of. What can you do when it is legitimately you and your opponent, with a referee and that’s it.

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    Making guys wrestle in an empty arena in front of no fans seems like such a Jim Cornette in OVW thing to do.

    This probably isn't the first time John Cena's had to wrestle just for the boys and some selected staff members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Vince is just an endlessly fascinating, mad old bastard isn't he. I love him. How the fuck do you do a massive 7 hour wrestling show in front of a crowd of zero? There will be limited pagentary just based on logistics. It's amazing. What a mad cunt.
    I watched some of the empty arena Raw and it just seems odd with no visible people there. I heard the same thing about the Smackdown from Friday. I think, and I've seen someone else mention this, they could film Mania like an actual tv show or movie. Something similar to the old WMAC Masters. No crowd is needed. Or if they do have a crowd, make it the performers in the stands, watching the contest from the stands. That way you could still edit out mistakes, add various audio, still have a scaled down production, and they can have dynamic matches. Have more backstage dynamics going on and get people invested in the "real" inner workings as a guy or girl is doing stuff backstage. Maybe have interactions with people they never would have seen normally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    That's not why.

    Because Tampa hasn't canceled events they are on the hook for all the expenses of the shows without bringing in the income for the shows. Check out the social media of these guys most of them are going to be put out of business by this.
    I've seen a lot of rage directed at Mariot in particular.

    I mean you can blame WWE for some things, I'm just not sure this is one.
    I doubt they waived the insurance for the crack of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    This is some crazy shit. Going to be one hell of an odd, memorable, and historic show. Bummed that I won't be seeing it at the movie theater (since that shit's out either way) but pretty intrigued to see just what in the balls it's going to be like. Guess I'll get a taste of it when i watch some SD/RAW highlights and this week's NXT but the pageantry and spectacle of Mania (special entrances?) in that setting....man, it's going to be something...
    It will be great, can't wait for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    I've seen a lot of rage directed at Mariot in particular.

    I mean you can blame WWE for some things, I'm just not sure this is one.
    I doubt they waived the insurance for the crack of it.

    I am not blaming WWE. I am blaming the local government.

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    Wonder what the financial hit WWE must be taking with these shows at the PC. I guess they can't afford to pay people if they shut down for a while, but they aren't making any money off of ticket sales.

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    It still would surprise me if the city of Orlando cancels the show considering the amount of people involved. If they want to guarantee they have a show to air, they might want to consider taping the marquee matches ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Wonder what the financial hit WWE must be taking with these shows at the PC. I guess they can't afford to pay people if they shut down for a while, but they aren't making any money off of ticket sales.


    Hopefully those tv deals and Saudi shows give them some breathing room and they don’t have to make many temporary (or permanent) cutbacks.

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    WWE could pause its operations for a year and still be able to pay everything they need, all with the check from one Saudi Blood Money show.

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    This will be the most happy face WM ever. Vince is going to want to sell this as the WM where they put "happiness" out in a time of global stress,

    By the time this rolls around, they are going to have twitter reactions running constantly during the presentation. They might even start streaming reaction shots.


    Weird Youtubers....Vince needs you. Maybe now, more than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Hopefully those tv deals and Saudi shows give them some breathing room and they don’t have to make many temporary (or permanent) cutbacks.
    This helps answer some questions

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Brandon Thurston is fantastic with his financial breakdowns and analysis in general so if you have time to watch this, he breaks down the projected loss WWE would suffer by not having Mania.




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    Yeah..... I still haven’t watched that BG lol.

    Not even when you posted it in the football chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Yeah..... I still haven’t watched that BG lol.

    Not even when you posted it in the football chat.
    Even the spoiler tag would give you a shorter answer lol. It's something to do when you put your controller down from your game.

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    I want to argue this..... but i can’t.

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    idk if this is news but

    Gronk is hosting and it's a 2-day wrestlemania this year

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    They should just have an online version of UpUpDownDown for Mania. It would be entertaining enough.

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    Hope they're both 7 hours long too, fuck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    idk if this is news but

    Gronk is hosting and it's a 2-day wrestlemania this year
    Just saw that. Good idea, honestly.

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    This alleviates the concern about a marathon show, allows the matches that could have been shelved to now happen.

    This will be one of those ideas that come across now in this new way of life that has to be considered when we get through this mess.

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    They’ve also said that it’ll take place at multiple locations over the two nights but the locations will be closed sets with essential personnel.

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    I don't mind the length when I usually watch it at the movie theater but splitting it will be nice for watching it at home this year.

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    Two Nights for a PPV...where are we Japan?!

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    What they're not telling you now is that both halves will be 7 hours long.

    If Vince can't get Wrestlemania 36 in front of 80,000 people, he'll make it the longest one ever.

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    They should steal AEW’s idea of having the wrestlers in the crowd, its not great but its not as awkward as an empty arena. They can throw in some legends or HOF’ers, put Beth in the crowd to sell the Edge/Orton match and just spread them out. You won’t get the boos or cheers but I’m pretty sure they are fans of wrestling so they will respond to a unique spot and there wont be silence.

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    As long as Iron Sheik is in the front row by himself, I am ok with this.

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    This being an empty arena thing has me immensely interested in WM now. Before I was apathetic, but this will have me watching live for sure just to see how the frick they pull it off.

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    Mania should be a two day thing anyway. Maybe this will open their eyes to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Mania should be a two day thing anyway. Maybe this will open their eyes to that.
    Absolutely. Them cramming so much into one show has been a recipe for some major burnout. Two days sounds delightful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Absolutely. Them cramming so much into one show has been a recipe for some major burnout. Two days sounds delightful.
    Yeah I can way see making it a weekend.

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    So, considering entrances are going to be massively scaled down, and they're still starting at 7 ET, guessing there will be 2 4 hour shows of matches all clocking in less than 10 minutes. Could be an outrageously big card, particularly with the "multiple" locations caveat.

    Lesnar/Drew
    Fiend/Cena
    Roman/Goldberg
    Rhea/Charlotte
    Becky/Shayna
    Edge/Orton
    Undertaker/Styles
    Owens/Rollins

    Bryan&Gulak/Cesaro&Nak
    Sami/Braun
    Andrade/Mysterio/Garza/Carillo
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    Sheamus/Hardy
    Dolph&Roode/Machinery
    Corbin/Gronkowski
    Moss/Truth/Mojo
    Lashley/Ricochet


    All snappy sprints please.

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    Per Fightful/WWE:

    April 4 -
    Lesnar versus Mcinture
    Ripley versus Flair
    Undertaker versus Styles
    Rollins verus Owens

    April 5 -
    Goldberg versus Reigns
    Lynch versus Baszler
    Cena versus Wyatt

    More to come, obviously
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    They should pretape the majority of this stuff (if not all) and produce the fuck out of it to make it look as slick as possible.

    Make it look more like a “normal” tv show than what weekly wrestling shows look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    They should pretape the majority of this stuff (if not all) and produce the fuck out of it to make it look as slick as possible.

    Make it look more like a “normal” tv show than what weekly wrestling shows look like.
    I feel like that's how it should always be because WWE has looked invariably cheap for a long time. Their backstage segments... their promotional junk... their execution comes off as thrown together and held by flimsy scotch tape. If they were to do these things beforehand, it would mean more time to prepare and not force them to come up w/ things on the spot.

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    According to Post Wrestling, it looks like WWE is planning to tape the remaining episodes of TV in the build to Mania. This week's Smackdown is set to be live but they will then begin to plan taping the future episodes.

    They have obviously scrapped both battle royals. There is a thought Mania could be taped as they tape these build-up episodes but PW wasn't able to confirm that will actually happen.

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    They could still hold the battle royals.

    Just make it 5 guys or 5 girls in at a time.

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    Like on WWE2K, instead of 8 max, 5 max at a time.

    Except that's not how battle royales work, in that they all start the match.

    Darn.

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    On the plus side of pre-taping Mania itself, that would make for a botch-free program. They can just redo any spots that get bungled and there'll be no live crowd there to witness the mistakes. Even if they just think something could be better, they can just do a new spot and edit it in. So that might improve match quality.

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