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    Kofi’s such a heel he bought his mother the middle seat on a plane ride.

    Loving this slow breakdown into madness. They haven’t gotten physical yet but no doubt they will and Rey’s likely gonna feel it soon.

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    I won't front I was negative af to the idea of "heel New Day" I've been such a mark for Woods thinking this was finally going to be his path to a US/IC title, maybe even World title run.

    Now I'm so jaded I'm thinking Big E is going to return, he's going to go beat their ass and then join them taking out Cody or Punk, something wild.

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    Thinking New Day hospitalising Rey might be the next step here.

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    The final cable network episode of RAW is starting... with limited commercial interruptions!

    And all I can think of is how fucking petty Spike TV was when RAW moved back to USA after their 5 year hitch with the program, when they silenced/bleeped every mention of 'USA' in the last ep on Spike LOL Didn't they have Hacksaw make an appearance and start a USA chant, or an I misremembering that?

    Man, the TV landscape has changed.

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    One of the promos for Raw on Netflix is frammed as a vertically rotating ring motif with specifically-shot vignettes of various current WWE wrestlers either posing or in action.
    Notably, Becky Lynch is either the last or second-to-last shown in-ring. I wouldn't expect they'd use her unless there's an imminent return scheduled....

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    The final cable network episode of RAW is starting... with limited commercial interruptions!

    And all I can think of is how fucking petty Spike TV was when RAW moved back to USA after their 5 year hitch with the program, when they silenced/bleeped every mention of 'USA' in the last ep on Spike LOL Didn't they have Hacksaw make an appearance and start a USA chant, or an I misremembering that?

    Man, the TV landscape has changed.
    Is that "fucking petty" to not want the show who is leaving your channel to be advertising the competition? Do you get mad when a wrestler is leaving for another promotion and they don't get to cut a promo saying "Hey guys, see you in AEW next week on Max!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Is that "fucking petty" to not want the show who is leaving your channel to be advertising the competition? Do you get mad when a wrestler is leaving for another promotion and they don't get to cut a promo saying "Hey guys, see you in AEW next week on Max!"
    Considering that you can watch NFL games on CBS and they'll openly refer to and advertise other games being concurrently (or later in the day) played on NBC, or FOX, or that coming Monday night on ABC/ESPN... sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    Considering that you can watch NFL games on CBS and they'll openly refer to and advertise other games being concurrently (or later in the day) played on NBC, or FOX, or that coming Monday night on ABC/ESPN... sure.
    Apples and oranges. The NFL wasn't exclusively on one network. It wasn't like Raw had matches on USA, TNN, ESPN, E!, and CBS. Why wasn't USA running ads for people to get caught up on Raw by tuning in to Spike? I guess I wouldn't call it petty especially when we're talking about WWE. They barely promoted their own talent being on other tv shows, movies, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Apples and oranges. The NFL wasn't exclusively on one network. It wasn't like Raw had matches on USA, TNN, ESPN, E!, and CBS. Why wasn't USA running ads for people to get caught up on Raw by tuning in to Spike? I guess I wouldn't call it petty especially when we're talking about WWE. They barely promoted their own talent being on other tv shows, movies, etc.
    Raw wasn't on multiple channels, but WWE was. TNN/Spike and UPN (or whatever it was around 2005/2006).
    Nfn, comparing individual talent leaving and plugging going to another promotion is as much apples to oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    Raw wasn't on multiple channels, but WWE was. TNN/Spike and UPN (or whatever it was around 2005/2006).
    Nfn, comparing individual talent leaving and plugging going to another promotion is as much apples to oranges.

    I didn't say anything about plugging another promotion I'm talking about the fact that for years you would rarely see WWE promote their talent making an appearance anywhere but something WWE related.

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    I do want to say this....If that is in fact the last time we see Raw on cable, Punk and Rollins promo was legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I didn't say anything about plugging another promotion I'm talking about the fact that for years you would rarely see WWE promote their talent making an appearance anywhere but something WWE related.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Do you get mad when a wrestler is leaving for another promotion and they don't get to cut a promo saying "Hey guys, see you in AEW next week on Max!"
    Well, for the most part, unless it was something specifically WWE branded (like their films, CDs, etc.), they kept a pretty tight leash on their talent. But I remember plenty of banter about watching Rock guest-star on Voyager, Big Show on Enterprise, a bunch of them on MAD TV, various Leno/Letterman/O'Brien appearances and other places that weren't strictly uder the WWE banner.

    And VKM was blasted for being petty about not mentioning ROH or Impact or most any other US promotion back in the day. The best rebuttal for that was since they were number one, there's no need to give any shine to other companies (whether they were seen as 'competition' or not). Classic 'No-Sell Vince'. Plenty of pieces, doc or shoot on WWE allude to that when getting into the post-Attitude/pre-Ruthless Aggression years. He didn't see those other promotions as anywhere near a threat as Turner, so it's like they didn't exist.... so the edict was to treat them as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casselmm47 View Post
    Well, for the most part, unless it was something specifically WWE branded (like their films, CDs, etc.), they kept a pretty tight leash on their talent. But I remember plenty of banter about watching Rock guest-star on Voyager, Big Show on Enterprise, a bunch of them on MAD TV, various Leno/Letterman/O'Brien appearances and other places that weren't strictly uder the WWE banner.

    And VKM was blasted for being petty about not mentioning ROH or Impact or most any other US promotion back in the day. The best rebuttal for that was since they were number one, there's no need to give any shine to other companies (whether they were seen as 'competition' or not). Classic 'No-Sell Vince'. Plenty of pieces, doc or shoot on WWE allude to that when getting into the post-Attitude/pre-Ruthless Aggression years. He didn't see those other promotions as anywhere near a threat as Turner, so it's like they didn't exist.... so the edict was to treat them as such.
    Sorry I thought you were saying in the quoted comment you responded to I was talking about going to another promotion not several posts prior my bad.

    Again I just don't think it's fucking petty for Spike to do what they did. Especially when we're talking about the WWE of all people. You just made a nice post I'm quoting here explaining why WWE of all people aren't the ones we should be doing the "oh poor baby you can't say USA on Spike". They're the most guilty at doing that kind of shit to the point they will redo parts of their intro if someone makes a mean tweet about the company lol. How many times has Ric Flair been in/out of the intro over the last 5 years? lol. They're the petty ones.

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    Loved that Punk/Seth promo just take my money.

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    Looking forward to the Netflix debut. Great card. I'm guessing they open with Rhea winning the title, but no idea where they go with the rest of the card. Logic suggests you put Roman and Punk over clean to display them as your top guys to a new audience, but there's a lot of interesting things they can do. Drew costing Roman maybe? Rock getting involved?

    Guessing Logan and Gunther at the Rumble. Makes sense to build the world title match around Paul early in the Netflix era to build Gunther. I think the dynamic would be pretty fun. It would also leave everybody fun in the Rumble - Roman, the Usos, Sami, Punk, Rollins, Drew, Solo, Jacob, Cena - all of that playing out with the history there would be fun as hell.

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    Final Boss High Chief Dwayne has announced he's gonna be on RAW tomorrow...

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    For us OG Netflix people we remember the days of having all those sweet DVD releases on Netflix. That's where I first saw the Dusty Rhodes and Jake the Snake DVDs. I watched the top 10 Raw tag matches hosted by Big E. It was a cool little set up. I'm excited for tonight. It's been a long time since I watched Raw live and not on Hulu or DVR.

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    Big day today, holy cow. I’m sure folks there are rumbling with anxiety on whether Netflix can handle the traffic that’s about to flood their servers. Hope it works out.

    historical day. Lets goooo!

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    That's definitely something I'm curious about. The Tyson/Paul fight was fine for a few but shitty for many. FF to the Christmas NFL games and we had zero issues but I know some people who had better service through their phone than the Smart TV. WWE probably won't have as many people trying to watch it all at once but even to this day you still get some streaming issues with their ppvs on Peacock just like with the Network.

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    Could do without the Rock or Hogan, but whatever. I'm tuning in to see who that teaser is for they've been running the past few weeks.

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    Could be wrong but I think it is Penta

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    The last one was literally his face. I think it's a safe bet.

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    23 fucking dollars for Netflix. I think the last time I subbed to it the price was like 12 bucks. I feel like I had Netflix in 22 when stranger things was came out. I don't actually remember.

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    My wife just cancelled or Netflix a few days ago but it was gonna run out after RAW tonight so we figured we'd try to watch. It looks like NXT and PLEs are on there, too, so we opted to renew, at least for now, to watch those, as well.
    Quick questions from an idiot: if these shows are live streaming, and I get home after they start and tune in, it'll be in the middle of the show, right? It wouldn't start at the beginning for me, so I'd have to wait until it's over to watch the part I missed, correct? 'Cuz when daylight savings kicks in in the Spring, my wife and I will both be working until after they start, so I might go back to my other methods of watching then....

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    I read someplace PLE's are still on Peacock for another year or so.

    On Peacock if you miss the start of the PLE it can only be rewound so far and you'd have to wait for it to be over and the replay to become available to watch the beginning. I'm hoping they have a more efficient method on Netflix for Raw.

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    Holy shit

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    This arena is fucking beautiful. The future of arena ls is going to be off the hook.

    Mth from what I understand netflix can start at any time. I could be wrong but I remember reading it.

    Edit: the audience mic is out of control. Needs turned down.
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    What a waste of the Rock.

    I guess he won’t be rasslin’ at Mania after all as all he did was kiss the asses of his perspective WM opponents for the first hour.

    Nauseating.

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    Topanga sighting though! @Mazer

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    Haha fuck you hulk Hogan

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    That's what LA was saying.

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    God, I am already sick of Michael Cole making the WWE a victim when it comes to CM Punk.

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    Michael Cole is not the greatest of all time, I don't care what Pat says

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    Good show, very... crowd pleasing. Had some audio problems, but overall it felt huge. Way bigger than any other RAW ever, production wise. It was like Wrestlemania condensed into a RAW.

    But man, 3 hours is still a long fuckin time. I'm sure this did massive numbers.

    Yeet.

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    It was ok. Not enough to get me to watch every week at least.

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    I thought that was a pretty strong debut NetFlix episode, 4/5. Did not intend to write a short essay, it just happened:

    -WWE continues to solidify their hold as the entertainment leader for hype/promotional videos, everyone else is a distant second. That opening montage, prior to the in-ring Paul Levesque promo, was world class.
    -It’s very cool to see Paul getting his flowers as the current head of the company, the saviour who picked up the pieces after Crazy Old Man was seemingly hellbent on destroying his own creation. I truly hope he has discovered work-life balance, because hearts/tickers are totally unpredictable and I’d like to see him do this for the next 20-odd years.
    -Corporate Dwayne told us all without actually saying it, but he won’t be wrestling in Vegas. I have to imagine that production for Fast XI starts pretty soon, in order to meet the intended Summer 2026 release date.
    -Reigns goes over, all is seemingly right in the Bloodline saga, for now. Even though we all know business is about to pick up, headed into Mania season.
    -The Cena retirement tour begins, dude deserves it: the centerpiece of the 2026 HOF class and a spot in the Mt. Rushmore discussion awaits.
    -Rhea goes over, hopefully thats the end of this feud for now; Morgan got cemented as a main eventer, Ripley affirmed her spot as one of the present/future centerpieces of the women’s division. They both need new opponents.
    -If it weren’t for Cena, I’d have Jey as my 2025 Men’s Rumble Winner. Not to go all Rikishi, but it’s time to attach the rocket to The Yeet Man.
    -Punk/Rollins already on MOTY shortlist, an absolute banger.
    -I muted Hogan when he appeared, going back afterwards to find out he got booed off the stage makes me extremely happy.
    -Taker’s appearance was just as awkward and random. If that was the on-screen send off for those two legends, I’m totally fine with it. “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” - Harvey Dent

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    I find it mind boggling that we have a generation that cannot even fathom forgiving Hogan for saying something but at the same time you will always find ample people in the same group who will insist that a murderer (Benoit) Who is definitely guilty of a most heinous double murder of his own wife and son is innocent.

    Oh well, on to the observations:

    Cena as much as told us he is breaking Flair’s record of 16 World Title reigns by coming out and telling us there was absolutely no chance he was going to be able to win a 17th title, seeing as he hasn’t won a match in 2400+ days......
    I had just finished telling the fam that I do not want Cena winning a World title as all his matches in the past 5 years are simply him going through the motions and are real snooze fest.
    I for one do not want this in a main event of WrestleMania.
    So if Cena is going to wrestle for (and win) the belt at WrestleMania, he better put some effort in and do some serious training.

    Well, in any case, here’s how I would book Cena’s last run:
    Have him get down to the last 2 in the Royal Rumble, go out by just barely not hanging on over the ropes....
    Then, he wins the Elimination Chamber, gets the ‘other’ championship title shot that the Rumble winner doesn’t choose. At WM, after multiple false finishes and 2 counts, both wrestlers collide and go down, shoulders on the mat. Of course, the champ gets his up and Cena loses a controversial decision.

    So, Cena has to enter the MITB Match, which he wins of course. But he is then repeatedly thwarted from cashing it in. Perhaps even a particular wrestler who knows Ric Flair or worked with him could be brought in to wear a mask (or not) and ‘stand up’ for Ric’....

    Ah.. ....Perhaps Andre?

    It then becomes a race against time to see if John Cena can (successfully) cash in before the year ends... .

    And at Survivor Series or a RAW in nearly December, he finally does it of course as the crowd goes wild, throwing babies off the upper deck, etc.....
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    I felt a bit bad for Jimmy Hart but still Hogan getting booed was great!

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    I'd rather lick my own taint than see John Cena in a Rumble, contending for any title, in 2025. As you said John, you had your time.

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    Why was Hogan booed was it the Republican conference thing?

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    Hogan has just shown to be a shitty person over the years and yeah of course him being MAGA doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'd rather lick my own taint than see John Cena in a Rumble, contending for any title, in 2025. As you said John, you had your time.
    I kind of want to see him in all these matches to try to earn a title shot and keep losing. But like he needs to find a way to earn his way into elimination chamber and MITB. Rumble is one thing to just say hey I am in. The other ones he needs to find a way to get in and maybe he just barely gets in. He can still put a lot of people over on his way to coming up short of the record which is not really the record anyway. Flair had more than 16 wins depending on how you count things.

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    Hogan was getting booed years ago for being a racist. Undertaker is as proud a Republican as Hogan is and he got a monster pop. People just don't like the bullshitting, phony, racist old cunt. A good point made above though, the business has historically been full of terrible people. It doesn't bare thinking about how many women (and underage girls) that the 80's stars would have sexually assaulted, or how many wives Steve Austin would have beaten. But Hogan's indiscretions are on tape and indisputable, so he gets the heat. And that's fair enough. But more of the past guys should likely get more pelters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    I find it mind boggling that we have a generation that cannot even fathom forgiving Hogan for saying something but at the same time you will always find ample people in the same group who will insist that a murderer (Benoit) Who is definitely guilty of a most heinous double murder of his own wife and son is innocent.
    He was booed for way more than just like one thing he said.

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    I would have loved to seen the Undertaker get booed out of the building.

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    The opening was fire. WWE, no matter who is in charge, will always dominate the video package aspect of pro wrestling. That painting on the ring canvas, that's worth a million.

    Roman/Solo was my son's MOTN. I gave the nod to Punk/Rollins. Drew/Uso was a very solid tv match. Rhea/Liv, if that was the payoff fuck yeah. I felt super fucking odd having to explain to my 23 year old son that Taker came out to American Badass by Kid Rock and it wasn't Sad But True by Metallica. I was like, you don't remember American Badass Taker coming out to this? He was like, no but I remember Limp Bizkit lol. I thought Taker rocking the OG purp was (maybe) a subtle nod to the colors of everyone involved with JD past and present.

    Not sure what to think of The Rock playing super babyface especially with Cody. Now he's coming to NXT tonight that's just fucking madness. I feel like Hogan's appearance/booing is getting way too much attention because it was pretty much a "no shit" moment. We should be spending way more time talking about Topanga, KEVIN! holy shit Maculay had an AUSTIN/ROADWARRIOR pop. *The Batman nerd in me was like, hold up no love for Topanga's brother in law Terry McGuinness??* Of course shout out to Iowa's own Ashton Kutcher there with his son and Vanessa Hudgens needs to be involved more somehow.

    All in all, had zero streaming issues, the show looks fucking awesome (so did Stephanie McMahon) and I'm curious to see where we go from here with the Bloodline, Punk, etc. I also noticed something-they were talking way more in the ring than I've noticed. Not spot calling just dialogue.

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    I think Culkin's pop was helped that probably everyone just watched Home Alone over the holidays and he was fresh in people's hearts.

    I think people also boo Hogan for that horrid Randy Savage impression he does in every interview. Just like people say he's not a good guy but then trying to get Savage's goodwill doesn't help either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    I find it mind boggling that we have a generation that cannot even fathom forgiving Hogan for saying something but at the same time you will always find ample people in the same group who will insist that a murderer (Benoit) Who is definitely guilty of a most heinous double murder of his own wife and son is innocent.
    ...
    Ain’t nobody think that monster is innocent, let alone ample people…swing and a massive miss, boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I think Culkin's pop was helped that probably everyone just watched Home Alone over the holidays and he was fresh in people's hearts.

    I think people also boo Hogan for that horrid Randy Savage impression he does in every interview. Just like people say he's not a good guy but then trying to get Savage's goodwill doesn't help either.
    Culkin is an icon and plus we can't forget the kid is an OG WWF fan. I'll never forget when he was shown on camera and Monsoon was like "That little youngster" he had no clue that was probably the biggest movie star at the time repping Hulkamania.

    I thought Hogan was getting booed because he didn't have Brutus the Barber and Nasty Boy Knobbs with him and instead we got Jimmy Hart waving an American flag like he was trying to put out the forest fire level of boo's lol. I actually thought what a dumb partnership....lol

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    Hogan deserved the reaction he got. Makes me want to write another letter, this time saying "I told you so!" Hogan got sincere boos, far more than DirtyDomDom or the New Day, because the crowd knows those guys are just playing a role. Hulkamania is dead. When Hogan finally kicks the bucket, I wonder how many boos the WWE universe will give him. For the work he did in the ring, and all the tickets he sold, he deserves more than a simple "In Memorium" graphic, but this reaction makes me wonder if they'd be second guessing the ten bell salute.

    As for Cena, it seems to me that he will probably end his losing streak when he faces the Miz. I disagree with those that will say he doesn't deserve a great last run. He often admits himself that there are lots of current guys who are more talented in the ring than he ever was, but last night's promo was masterful. People forget that the best matches are often because they are part of the best storylines. Cena tells a story as well as anyone ever did.

    Looking forward to Gable vs Penta

    Rollins v. Punk was a lot of fun, and I expected Punk to come out on top. He is likely moving on to GUNTHER, and we should expect more great things. Ref Rod Zapata sure looked like he spent too much of the day in the tanning bed.

    Rock not mixing it up with potential WM opponents Cody or Roman means he misses Mania? I wouldn't go that far. I wanna see Rock-Cena one more time.

    Congrats to Rhea Bloody Ripley. She helped make Liv a bona fide main eventer along the way.

    I am glad they punted Priest/Finn to next week. It would have gotten lost in the shuffle with the other stories going on. Same with the women's IC match tourney.

    Roman / Solo was very good, and because of the story I thought it was Match of the Night. Interesting to see what they do with Solo next. I wouldn't mind seeing Jacob Fatu get mad at Solo for failing, as I think those two could bring out the best in each other.

    Jey Uso got a big, and needed win, over Drew. Looking forward to more from these two.

    As for the celebrity pops, Fluffy actually looked smaller than Woods, but we can always tell he was having the time of his life. Travis Scott, Macauley Culkin's and certainly Topanga's pops were well deserved.

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    How can Hogan ever kick the bucket when he's Immortal

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    John Cena absolutely deserves a last hoorah and a Super Cena type run imo. Sure, put over some people on the way out but why not give him the big Rumble win? They did it for Edge, he's maybe half the name of Cena in and out of the business. Does he break the recognized record of World titles? Why not?

    The crazy thing is that I'm one of many older fans who were rolling our eyes half the time at Cena's booking after the Angle feud in 2005. But I feel like it's that old saying, time heals all wounds or maybe it's don't know what you got til it's gone...something like that lol. So you either give him the big Rumble win and tie Stone Cold at 3 or you have him win the Chamber to get the title shot at Mania 41. Or maybe you hold off on giving him the World title until Summerslam or hell why not on SNME or even Netflix Raw? Again, plenty of time for him to take a few L's but I'm here to see the last big run.

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    Man yeah Calkin got a mad reaction, think it helped the way he revealed himself too. Awesome.

    I wonder where Austin was? Surely they asked him.

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    I heard Austin didn't come because they were selling Hulk's beer and not his brews.

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    Re: Cena getting #17.

    When he gets it, it likely won’t be a lengthy run as we’ve been accustomed to. I could see him going over Rhodes at Mania and then dropping it the next month (TV/PLE) as he puts over someone newer/less established; a means to an end where both the legend and the company benefit. Also, it keeps The Golden Boy Cody protected…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I heard Austin didn't come because they were selling Hulk's beer and not his brews.
    Definitely could see that being a beef but wwe acquired a minor ownership control in the deal and austin probablydidnt want to do that. I'm honestly surprised they are promoting any sort of alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Man yeah Calkin got a mad reaction, think it helped the way he revealed himself too. Awesome.

    I wonder where Austin was? Surely they asked him.
    His reveal was incredible lol.

    I wonder if there is something going on or we're just making something out of nothing when it comes to Austin. Couldn't get him for Mania 40, couldn't get him for Netflix. And are any of us including the dorks like Meltzer privy to that info? Doubtful. Either way I'm a little shocked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I heard Austin didn't come because they were selling Hulk's beer and not his brews.
    I didn't even have to hear it because the first thing I thought of was, of all people why not try to bring in Stone Cold but then again as Virms mentions below....

    Quote Originally Posted by virms View Post
    Definitely could see that being a beef but wwe acquired a minor ownership control in the deal and austin probablydidnt want to do that. I'm honestly surprised they are promoting any sort of alcohol.
    They were promoting that tequilla brand with Rey Mysterio not too long ago but again, another rare occasion.

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    Loved the packed-ass arena and drone shots. Very cool atmosphere. Opening video package was phenomenal.

    Rock's opening promo was nice and to the point. Odd they seemingly dropped any beef between him and Roman/Cody...seemingly, could always be revealed he was just being a polite businessman for one night.

    Tribal Combat was good enough and had a nice Attitude Era throwback with the run-ins and stuff, good way to push intertwining feuds.

    I'm cool with Cena in the Rumble and I'm also fairly cool with him going against Gunther/Cody assuming they're still both a champ by Mania (he might not be my first choice but it's not a bad one).

    Rhea/Liv delivered. Nice to see Rhea finally hit her finish on Dom. Don't really give a shit about Taker but I guess it's cool Rhea got the nod.

    Jey/Drew was decent enough.

    Hogan getting booed outta the building was a goddamn delight. We may be heading into some dark times but there's still some signs of hope.

    Punk/Rollins was good shit. I will say tonight was really "kick out of finishers night" throughout the show and it might've been a little much overall.

    Smooth stream with great quality so happy about that. Not happy I couldn't cast it on my TV, though, and we had to watch through the laptop. Looking forward to PENTA and the Women's IC Title match next week.

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    I literally was falling asleep during Rollins/Seth. I love Rock coming out, but it really does feel like I am not going to be at Mania, so why bother pushing any storyline with Cody or Roman. The Roman/Solo was great as was Rhea finally winning. I am not sure why Taker came out, I guess Becky was going to, but they went for another nostalgic pop. Which blow up in their face with Hogan. Good. Drew should have beat Jey. I get some of the segments for the casual viewer tuning in, but the matches made no sense as they were mostly blow offs for month long storylines. I hope Cena is in the Rumble for Punk to eliminate him. I just hope its not Logan Paul. I am already less enthusiastic about this Mania compared to the last one. Much of that is that I am not going so there is that, but I am not feeling a lot of the storylines heading into this. It does feel like we are at the end of this hot period and into what I fear is going to be a very much brand/foreign influence era.

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    Cena jumping through hoops does play to his “Never Give up” shtick.

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    The opening video package was brilliant. Production values throughout the night were excellent.

    The near falls in Punk vs Rollins were very good. I was surprised by the clean win and no post-match shenanigans.

    Nice to see Rhea get a big moment on this episode. I really hope she and Priest move on from Judgement Day now. Undertaker coming out during her celebration was bizarre. And it was hilarious to see Hogan booed. You could tell from his face that he was livid. Good.

    Jey Uso’s entrance is always great and then I just lose interest in his matches completely. I wonder if we’re going to see Drew, Rollins, and Owens come together once Owens loses the ladder match.

    Tribal combat was pretty tame. But that’s my bias - I’m a bit turned off by the epic and methodical style of some of WWE’s marquee matches these days. When a PLE only has 5 matches and they all get the dramatic video package, extended introductions, and big stare downs, I find it a bit of a drag. I wanted this to be an all out brawl and it was just very slow and cautious in the early going.

    John Cena’s promo was hands down the best part of the night. I despised his run in the second half of the 2000s. But there’s a definite Federer/Nadal vibe to his retirement and that fairytale of one last title. He will play a great role in the Rumble and I’m certain he won’t win so that he can get a last gasp ticket to Mania through the chamber. But it’s surprising to think in 2025 that I’m rooting for Cena to tie with Austin’s three rumble wins.

    The Rock dropping the Final Boss character was a crushing disappointment. I would have preferred him not to show up at all and keep that story with Cody hanging in the air. I love Rock and I’m always here for another “Finally…”. But I was waiting for the turn and it quickly became apparent that he was just giving a big pat on the back to everyone. Then they made it worse by bringing him out for the end of tribal combat and doing nothing.

    If they undo this or pull the rug out at a later date, fair play but it will still be a lame way to utilise him on such a big episode. I’d prefer them to be honest about him not being available for Mania rather than bring him back and just pretend like he wasn’t swearing all over the place and making Cody bleed last year.

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    I find it funny that Netflix and WWE are patting themselves on the back. Surely in three or four weeks when the novelty wears off, RAW won't be anywhere near the top 10 streaming shows for the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I find it funny that Netflix and WWE are patting themselves on the back. Surely in three or four weeks when the novelty wears off, RAW won't be anywhere near the top 10 streaming shows for the week.
    Hard to say. Some folks can't handle change, especially when it comes to "tv"

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    They'll have definitely have been a 'new show' spike that will produce an audience dropoff, but there's no reason to believe they can't build on Netflix. I've known old casuals watch it that enjoyed it, and if retention is only 50% of that crowd then they've succeeded.

    Wrestlemania is completely up in the air isn't it, and not in a 'they've not planned anything' kind of way. Everybody has seeds planted with everybody. Except Gunther, who has the World title. Does he get involved at the top table or do they keep that reign going with him beating an Uso or Sami Zayn?

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    Penta's debut tonight then. Was never a huge fan, but the look, work and charisma is there so he'll have every chance to succeed, and Gable is the perfect foil to get him over out the gate.

    Big one for the women too. You'd expect the IC Title to be a workhorse title so it's important this is the match of their careers. I'd like to see Dakota win it, a shams how the injuries derailed her as the NXT turn and heel run really worked.

    Surely the line under the Priest/Judgment Day story tonight. Put Priest over big and move on.

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    100% to all of that. More a Rey Fenix fan, but Penta probably more interesting in terms of look etc, like you say.

    Also pulling for Dakota. No rush for Lyra. Both could do with some good character development though. Hope the match is good, can only see it being given a good chunk of time.

    Surely, the end of Priest and Finn/JD tonight and a definitive win.

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    Always thought Pentagon Jr was the shit mainly because he looked like Johnny and the boys from Karate Kid at the Halloween party. Also, I had only seen the first season of Lucha Underground until a couple years ago and I was really into his whole thing on there with Vampiro. Obviously what he's done since then in TNA, AEW, very good. His first match being against Chad Gable is almost like Rey Mysterio's first match being against Kurt Angle.

    I'm pulling for Dakota Kai. I feel like she's going to take the L since we already had "veteran finally wins a singles title" with Chelsea Green winning the US title. Lyra is someone the WWE is very high on, she has a big singles win over Becky Lynch, made it to the finals of QOTR. If she wins I would not be shocked. I'm just honestly choosing with my heart when it comes to DK. Personally I wish it was Kairi Sane v. Lyra if we're talking about Damage Ctrl members.

    Balor/Priest blowoff...we can only hope but I will say this, kinda feels like it should be on ppv. With the way WWE is spreading everything out though they want every show to feel mega important. Nothing new, why else did they stop having jobber matches on Raw during the late 90's? Nobody wanted to watch Undertaker v. Terry Guido when WCW was having Sting v. Stache-less Hulk Hogan on Nitro.

    What's next for CM Punk? How about Seth Rollins? Is that feud done or will it cool off until during/after the Rumble? Gunther will be there tonight. He needs a strong opponent going into Rumble. Jey Uso getting the win over Drew McIntyre could get Jey the title shot. Punk has a strong case as well. Maybe it won't even be a guy we typically see on Raw but what other babyfaces are waiting in the wings?

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    There's definitely enough to get me to tune into RAW tonight with PENTA, Women's IC Title match, and the Street Fight. We'll see if they can hook me with enough stuff to get me back next week. 3 hours is a lot to sit through on a regular basis. Last week was more PPV stacked and this one's halfway there but I can't see it keeping that same level of must-see long term...and even so, i woudn't want there to be a PPV every week, either, so yeah...

    Oh, beeteedubs, if anyone doubted it's PENTA tonight, they've already released his merch on WWEShop.com...

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    Dakota Kai has to have a strong showing in the ladies' IC title final, but what makes me hesitant to expect something great from her is simply her history. She hasn't had a great singles match that I can think of, and she more often has been booked as a weak link, or overmatched against top tier talent. I hope she and Lyra are given at least 15 minutes to show the world they are capable of delivering a really good story.

    Lyra runs the risk of being placed in the "never can win the big match" that has plagued tons of talent for years.

    Both have too slight a build, and therefore the audience is not expecting power moves that can create excitement out of nowhere. I hope they use that to their advantage and give us something memorable.

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    I've decided to go to bar trivia instead of watching RAW on Netflix tonight, even though I really want to see Penta's debut, but that will have to wait. I like trivia more than WWE. I like trivia more than anything really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I've decided to go to bar trivia instead of watching RAW on Netflix tonight, even though I really want to see Penta's debut, but that will have to wait. I like trivia more than WWE. I like trivia more than anything really.
    The joy is that it's on Netflix and like most people you can watch it whenever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The joy is that it's on Netflix and like most people you can watch it whenever you want.
    I'll watch it on my phone while pooping at 2 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    There's definitely enough to get me to tune into RAW tonight with PENTA, Women's IC Title match, and the Street Fight. We'll see if they can hook me with enough stuff to get me back next week. 3 hours is a lot to sit through on a regular basis. Last week was more PPV stacked and this one's halfway there but I can't see it keeping that same level of must-see long term...and even so, i woudn't want there to be a PPV every week, either, so yeah...

    Oh, beeteedubs, if anyone doubted it's PENTA tonight, they've already released his merch on WWEShop.com...
    It's a lot to sit through live and we also don't know if every show is going to be 3 hours. Triple H said it could 40 minutes, could even be 4 hours there are no time constraints. Not to mention if you don't want to watch it live you can watch it tomorrow, next month, FF through shit. That was my favorite part about having DVR, skipping the commercials and bullshit I didn't want to watch lol. 3 hour Raw turned into 43 minute Raw. Or on HULU where it was 90 minutes-although they'd cut out the shit I'd want to see lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'll watch it on my phone while pooping at 2 AM.
    Replace "it" with porn and that's my weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It's a lot to sit through live and we also don't know if every show is going to be 3 hours. Triple H said it could 40 minutes, could even be 4 hours there are no time constraints. Not to mention if you don't want to watch it live you can watch it tomorrow, next month, FF through shit. That was my favorite part about having DVR, skipping the commercials and bullshit I didn't want to watch lol. 3 hour Raw turned into 43 minute Raw. Or on HULU where it was 90 minutes-although they'd cut out the shit I'd want to see lol.
    Seems like they edit the replay though. I think last week they cut out some language, chants, and the booing of Hogan lol.

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    Yeah, they chopped last week's episode down to 2 hours 20 min, taking out the ad break action, and muted the swearing. Not keen on them doing that as it means you're getting a different show live than on replay even though you're paying for Netflix and whatnot...

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    most weeks I will probably end up watching the replay if I watch it. so much wrestling content out there that I don't watch as much as I want and sometimes just do the highlights.

    Made a point to watch live last week and going to try to do so today for Penta's debut. But beyond that probably mostly replays for me

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    I love that everything Drew says is right. I can't wait for Roman be eliminated by him.

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    Ahh, good for Penta. Hope he fuckin' kills it here.

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    Jesus Christ, Pat! First saying he had no idea what Penta was saying and then saying the Philadelphia Eagles have too many white guys.

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    Penta's debut was great. Dude's gonna be a fucking star.

    Had to bail on the rest of the show as I'm currently at the ER with the wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Penta's debut was great. Dude's gonna be a fucking star.

    Had to bail on the rest of the show as I'm currently at the ER with the wife.
    Best of Luck.

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    Should have been Dakota. I like Lyra, but I don't feel she's as good as the spot she's been put in right now. She's pretty bland character wise, but her wrestling is good... but Dakota would have been a better inaugural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Should have been Dakota. I like Lyra, but I don't feel she's as good as the spot she's been put in right now. She's pretty bland character wise, but her wrestling is good... but Dakota would have been a better inaugural.
    Respectfully disagree. And I love Dakota Kai and she's a good worker, and I know she will capture the IC or US title, likely this year. But Lyra is a damned workhorse in the ring, and if that IC title is known for anything in the men's division, it's for in-ring prowess. Her matches with IYO, her matches with Becky and Rhea in NXT, and even getting a good match out of Nia at QotR back this up.

    Also, I don't understand how someone who wears oversized feathers and literal glitter to the ring and literally gets the crowd to "woo" during her theme music like Lyra could ever be called "bland." LOL. With the little screen time and character development they've given her outside of being Tatum's bestie, the crowd seems to respond to her really well all the time. Totally agree that her character needs to be enhanced (maybe a heel turn?), but I personally don't see her as bland.

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    Hogan commercial. Seems they learned

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    Really good episode. Great matches, good storyline advancement, the stars getting put over. Good stuff. Priest and Sami getting put over as threats when there's no clear 'Mania match for Gunther is inspired. It would be a surprise if either won the Rumble, but it's not out of the realms. There's gonna be that big Roman segment on the go home Raw where I imagine Sami and Jey declare every man for himself, much to Roman's chagrin.

    The Bloodline orbit may be the most consuming Rumble storyline of all time - Roman, Drew, Punk, Seth, Sami, the Usos, Solo, Jacob, Tama - a third of the field revolving around it. With Cena, Priest and Logan Paul rounding out the big contenders. I watched the 2 consesus best Rumble's, 1992 and 2001, and they have a lot of filler still. Filler in this is going to be legends like Rey Mysterio and Sheamus. Should be a great one.

    Penta's debut ruled. He has IT. Coolest looking wrestler in the game. There's a gigantic heel in there too when they're ready. But until then, give me him and Bron at 'Mania for the IC Title. Big Shamo can inevitably Finish The StoryTM when they book Croke Park for a PLE. Let today's stars steal the show at 'Mania.

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    I really enjoyed RAW overall. This was not McAfee's best week on the mic.

    Penta showed he deserves the hype, and Gable deserves a lot of credit for making him look like a star. Gable seems to have taken Dolph Ziggler's spot as the guy who can sell for new talent, and no matter how much he loses, we know we're going to get a solid match. I wouldn't be surprised to see them rematch next week with Gable getting a cheap heel win, perhaps due to Creed Bros interference, or maybe an eye poke. I don't care, these guys have chemistry, and I want more.

    Honestly, I really don't like people announcing they're in the Rumble. I want entrances to be a surprise. Except for R Truth, has he announced he's in the women's Rumble yet? The Seth / Punk / Drew announcement segment was boring. At least the Nia interuption of Rhea's segment to announce her Rumble intention was fun, especially as hometown gal Bayley got into the mix.

    The tease with Kross wondering if Miz had anything to do with the Wyatts leaving RAW for Smackdown was interesting to me. Miz had a decent - if predictable - match / loss to Zayn, but the crowd was into it.

    Lyra deserved the IC win more than Dakota. Both performed well, but the lack of character development for both of them really made the crowd wonder why should we care who won?

    GUNTHER accepting MEJU challenge for SNME. The crowd enjoys Jey, but nobody really expects him to beat GUNTHER. This could become a lot more fun if they pull the trigger.

    Main Event had some great spots. I hope this means Priest can move on from Balor.

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    I don't mind the whole Rumble field, besides 4 or 5 spots, getting filled and hyped up. The top stars should be declaring victory. It's showbusiness! Chance to main event Wrestlemania, of course you'd call your shot. It's always good to have a couple of big angles cooking going in too, as that's generally what makes a higher tier Rumble. Plus I have memories of 2012, where hardly anybody was announced, and the line up was terrible. I'd rather an announced Miz over a surprise Ricardo Rodriguez. 2002 for example, I think every last wrestler was announced and it still ruled.

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    This Corey Graves thing is a work right?

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    I would've been cool with either Lyra of Dakota winning but was rooting harder for Lyra. Her main roster run so far has been a bit here and there so it's nice to see her really get some momentum and get solidified. Dakota is certainly deserving but there's no reason to think she's out of a chance to get it down the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    This Corey Graves thing is a work right?
    Considering he said, "Be sure to watch NXT tonight, I have a lot to say." I'm going to say yes. Pretty sure he said he had been cleared to wrestle awhile back. Might be leading to him against McAfee...
    EDIT: Now he's off the show tonight and left town, so I guess not...

    P.S. Update on the ER visit, for anyone wondering, the wife's asthma flared up real bad so that's what it was about. She got some stuff to help and is feel a lot better. Thanks to all concerned.
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    Glad she is alright.

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    Glad to hear @mth

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    Wasn't impressed by Penta, but time will tell.

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    Penta's second match was really good though I don't care for Dunne's finger snapping nonsense. Once again, Penta showing he can sell like a champ. Some nice tweaks to his entrance, too. Dude is being positioned/presented as a big fucking deal and the Cero Miedo chants are getting louder. I am loving it and will keep watching RAW just for him, honestly.

    Rest of the show was decent but it felt like it dragged a little bit. Nia/Bayley was one of their better matches. Seeing New Day work as heels is pretty great. Punk's promo was excellent, particularly popped for the bit about Hogan. The Zayn/KO confrontation was also really interesting. I zoned out during Drew/Seth and the end of the show felt a little "we're seen this shit a million times".

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    Just canceled Netflix so no more RAW for me, but then again I just watched the premier episode and Penta's debut and nothing else since who knows how long so it's not like it's a loss. Still will get PLEs from Peacock. Don't really watch those either, though will watch Rumble and Mania probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Wasn't impressed by Penta, but time will tell.
    Me either. He's got a lot of personality but I've seen many luchas just as good go no where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Ain’t nobody think that monster is innocent, let alone ample people…swing and a massive miss, boomer.
    I guess you haven’t spent much time on YouTube, not-boomer? (is Gen-Zee-er more appropriate?)

    Go spend a couple hours watching the ‘indepth documentaries’ by Benoit fans who can’t fathom that their favorite rassler actually went bananas and did the crime, not the ex-hubby who played devil worshipper in the ring at one time.

    (btw: I met Sullivan and Nancy by chance in Orlando Airport back in ‘86 -the whole WCW crew minus the Four Horsemen was in the nearly empty and very small place. We ended up at a small counter eating breakfast as Sullivan charmingly held court a few seats away with Nancy quietly contented next to him.....an odd note: Dusty of all people was an aloof prick to me, like, WC Fields, “Get away, kid. You bother me.” when I walked up and said hello.)

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    Who fills out the Rumble, then? 10 announced, most of the big names.

    Jacob Fatu, Tama Tonga and Jimmy Uso seem safe bets. Been on TV a lot lately and add extra layers to the Bloodline drama. Logan Paul likely declares in a segment. Bron and Sheamus make sense, as well as Ludwig Kaiser. Miz probably gets in so he can chip away at the appearance record. Likewise Kofi. Kross maybe to finish off the angle with Miz. Damien Priest probably gets his own declaration promo next week. Dirty Dom for the Rey and Priest interactions. 4 talented warm bodies in Carmelo Hayes, Santos Escobar, Andrade and Chad Gable. That would leave 4 spots. I'll say Penta, but not sure they'll break the undefeated streak yet. Then from TNA either both Hardyz or just Jeff and the other being Joe Hendry. And finally Trick Williams. I can see Randy Orton, but if he's in he's winning it.

    Would be just about the most stacked Rumble of all time. Loads of star power and talent. The two title era being back changes things too as just about anybody could conceivably challenge Gunther if the main events are Cody's title match and Punk vs. Reigns. I think Cena wins to challenge Cody, with Punk and Reigns setting their angle up in the match, but could see a surprise winner if they want to play the longer game with the Cena going for the record story. To me though they're the biggest 2 non-Rock matches they have on the slate right now, so you play that hand given the success of the Press Conference on Super Bowl weekend last year. Get those matches set up and get Gunther's challenger from the Chamber.

    The women's match I fear will be Charlotte, but the crowd shitting on her in her title feud against Tiffany will push Tiffy into the top babyface role the fans seem to want her in. I think Flair is a great wrestler but she's regressed into a really uninteresting character, and her face being completely different now further distances her from feeling authentic. That crap music change too. Throw her out there against Tiffany, make her look like a relic of past wrestling and use that to transition her into a vicious, bitter veteran.

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    In-ring, I think Charlotte is the best they've ever had. At least, best main event talent. But there is little else there to get excited about, IMO.

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