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    Why is Jackson Ryker associated with the KKK? Because he supported Trump?

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    Riddle is steadily becoming one of the best things on Raw every week. I am so looking forward to Randy's reaction to Riddle "stealing" his signature move.

    Nikki Cross has been forgotten for months, then finally she returns and appears as a lumberjill. Now she's over-thrilled about lasting more than 2 minutes against the champ? Why was she thumbing her nose at Charlotte? Nikki looked awfully small between Charlotte and Rhea.

    And what is it with WWE lately and the wrestlers' entrances - followed by the commercial break - only for the return after commercial to feature a backstage promo by someone else before remembering that someone else is in the ring? They did this with Roman last week on SD! as well.

    When Kofi complained all this time later about never getting a rematch, I would have loved for Drew to respond that "Well, Kofi, you lost in 8 seconds to the Beast Brock Lesnar, the guy I soundly defeated and we've never seen since." Drew helped restore some of Kofi's credibility in a long match. But commentary had a big fail when they talked - at the start of the match - about who Lashley would prefer to face at the next PPV. They said since he's just beaten Drew a couple times and Kofi beat him last week, he'd be more afraid of Kofi. Sorry, but Kofi hasn't looked like a main event threat in a couple years.

    Where are the Viking Raiders?

    Alexa Bliss missed the show as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post

    Where are the Viking Raiders?

    Alexa Bliss missed the show as well.
    They're probably hanging out with Lucha House Party and Jinder Mahal.

    No idea if she was intentionally held off but she did mention on her IG that her pig was sick and ultimately passed away. Lilly was subtly placed in the background near Reginald so by proxy, that was her involvement for the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Not terrible but not great, call it 5/10.
    Everyone knows not terrible but not great is 3.6

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    Pairing Reginald with Nia + Shayna makes little sense, as does having him face Shayna next week. This is doing nothing to help either, and I'm sure it's heading to a feud of Nia & Shayna that nobody wants.
    Going through BG's review of the show with matches listed, there's not much in the way of what would've worked as a main event going by the end result(s) but they could have run Drew & Kofi in that spot instead of what we got. Looking forward to Smackdown and things making more sense and running smoother. I really hope Reginald starts dressing like Kane and they play up getting severely burned, putting a mask on him and not getting him to talk. Do it WWE!

    Pretty sure we could be getting Brock back for Summerslam with the crowds coming back. Don't know how much that would help or which champ he'd face but just my guess anyway.

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    What was up with that 2 minute challenge? Rhea is still fresh off her win at 'Mania and they make her look like a complete twat because she can't keep her eye on the clock. It's like they were trying to show how brutal she was because she cared more about beating down Nikki than winning. If that was the intention, then she should have absolutely destroyed Nikki and put her through the barricade or something. Instead, Rhea embarrassed herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    What was up with that 2 minute challenge? Rhea is still fresh off her win at 'Mania and they make her look like a complete twat because she can't keep her eye on the clock. It's like they were trying to show how brutal she was because she cared more about beating down Nikki than winning. If that was the intention, then she should have absolutely destroyed Nikki and put her through the barricade or something. Instead, Rhea embarrassed herself.
    Nobody came out of that looking better - Nikki got a little bit of offense but she looked worse than a little kid in a make-a-wish segment with her overplayed celebration for simply lasting 2 minutes? And as you said, Rhea looked like the world's biggest idiot for not looking at the countdown on the huge jumbo tron monitor. Of course, it probably means Nikki will face Charlotte in a 2 minute match next week, where Charlotte will destroy her in about 8 seconds or so.

    As for the ladies tag champs, it seems they may be done with Nia/Shayna, which is fine with me, but Nattie/Tamina should move along to the Riott Squad. We will likely get Bliss/Lily involved distracting Shayna, but maybe not until after we get Shayna feuding with Nia because of Reginald.

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    Cedric Alexander to interfere in the match between Kofi and Drew since Lashley or MVP can't?

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    The Jimmy Smith era begins. He was infinitely better than Adnan Virk. His background certainly helped and he felt much more fluid in terms of actual chemistry with Corey Graves and Byron Saxton. He didn't seem very lost and knew when to cede control the other two. We'd probably have a heck of a table if it were just Smith and Graves. His timing going to commercials didn't seem to be on point but otherwise I thought he was pretty solid.
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    Positives:

    -Nikki Cross getting over.
    -RK Bro.
    -Orton v Woods. Woods with the US title this Fall, please.
    -Ricochet and Carrillo getting TV time.
    -The women’s tag match.
    -Love me some Kofi Kingston, dude deserves one more run with one of the big titles.
    -The new announce booth.

    Negatives:

    -Charlotte and Rhea on the mic. Yikes.
    -The Nia/Shayna/Reginald storyline. Yikes.
    -Natalya and Tamina on commentary.
    -Shelton Benjamin deserves better.
    -Elias bailing on Ryker. K.
    -We go from the awesome Hurt Business to this Bobby “Godfather 2.0” Lashley. Fuck’s sakes.

    5/10.

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    I am so glad that even while hurt, they can keep the Miz on my TV. Will the Johnny Drip Drip - Drip Stick be the first merch best selling item when they go back to live crowds? We don't just need full capacity crowds again, we really need to make sure we get a super spreader event.

    Nikki Cross at least looked like she had a clue this week, compared to last. Her intentionally wasting time outside the ring, running away from Charlotte, showed some smarts on her part - which is something few wrestlers get to ever do, especially the women, and almost never any faces.

    Was this Reginald's first win?

    Team RKBro continues to entertain. Riddle's interaction with Damien Priest to start, through Randy's promo - loved where Randy acknowledged how Riddle and Woods both had a heckuva match last week - even to Riddle looking for the "key" was terrific. And commentary is doing a great job talking about how "Randy must see something in Riddle that he likes". Randy winning with Riddle's finisher was something we should have seen coming, but I'll admit I didn't, so when it played out, I enjoyed every bit. Riddle's reaction - how big an honor it was for Randy to use his move - was fantastic.

    Are they trying to make Ryker a face - mentioning he served in Iraq? Then Elias bailing on him. Ryker is better in the ring than Elias, but AJ can make anyone look more than passable.

    I thought Kofi and Drew had a better match last week. Lashley continues to bore without the full Hurt Business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I am so glad that even while hurt, they can keep the Miz on my TV. Will the Johnny Drip Drip - Drip Stick be the first merch best selling item when they go back to live crowds? We don't just need full capacity crowds again, we really need to make sure we get a super spreader event.

    Was this Reginald's first win?
    The merch wouldn't be wise because of idiot fans lol.

    In a singles match, yes. He's won a six-person tag, and this was his third singles match.

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    Can you imagine if they had sold Drip Sticks back in Roddy Piper's day? They used to get the crowd to throw all kinds of trash into the ring - beer cups. Ravishing Rick Rude used to get soiled diapers, etc. thrown at him. Heels would get the crowd so mad they would need police escort. In many arenas, they'd enter through a tunnel, and fans would routinely "spill" drinks on them from above.

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    When the fans come back I don't think anyone is going to give a shit about either Benjamin or Alexander. Alexander's not the smoothest talker and this could be hidden in Hurt Business. Maybe send him back to NXT and run him as a face. Guy is athletic and fun to watch, just that segment speaking last week was a total snooze.

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    I wanted to mention the opening Memorial Day tribute was very good, as usual. WWE always does a great job showing gratitude to those who have served and sacrificed for their country.

    Sheamus legit breaking his nose - the picture he posted, with the blood on his chest, makes me glad that I am not a wrestler. These guys are way tougher than all of us watching at home. Sheamus is terrific as a heel, but after posting pics like that, he's gonna become a face. I wouldn't mind face Sheamus battling a returning Jinder.

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    According to the PWTorch, the May 31 episode of WWE Raw averaged 1.418 million viewers across the three hours, which is down from last week's average of 1.62 million viewers. It's the lowest viewership number of 2021. Also, there was an overall 1.1 cable rating.

    Hour 1: 1.536 million viewers
    Hour 2: 1.549 million viewers
    Hour 3: 1.168 million viewers
    I'm sure the holiday accounts for some of that but still.

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    As much as I love me some Drew McIntyre, dude needs a separation from the WWE Title scene as he’s headed perilously close to Superman Cena/Forced Face Roman territory.

    If I were a betting man, however, I’d put money on him emerging victorious at HIAC and being the red brand focal point as they hit the road again.

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    Lashley has been gold as the champ, but putting the strap on Drew could be seen as desirable by management for the return to the road. I'd still keep the belt on Lashley, but we shall see.

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    Week two, and Jimmy Smith wasn't that noticeable on Raw. The thing is, that is a good thing. He had some minor flubs but he just blended in and did his job.

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    Positives:

    -The tag team battle royal, even if The Viking Raiders went over.
    -Ricochet v Carrillo. They might never be singles stars but can we at least have these two as a tag team, please?
    -If this MVP peptalk means Kofi gets back in the main event picture, I’m all for it. The respect from MVP to Kofi is legit; MVP has an Instagram post of himself and Shad Gaspard (RIP) in a bar, in tears, watching Kofi’s Mania victory.
    -Hardy v Alexander, even if Jeff went over. Fuck whomever (Vince) made the decision to break up The Hurt Business.
    -The RK Bro dynamic. Love it.
    -Riddle v Kingston

    Negatives:

    -McIntyre v Lashley at HIAC; I really hope Lashley retains but I bet Cena 2021 pulls it off. The sad thing is, is that I really like Drew…
    -Charlotte and Rhea talking. Asuka’s a better talker than those two and she got pigeonholed into the “I don’t speak English” stereotype.
    -NXT Rhea had to have been more interesting, right? Because RAW Rhea is very boring.
    -This week’s direction with Alexa.
    -So the company cuts a very unique athlete/legit main eventer and breaks up two (of the few) legit women’s tag teams in “cost cutting measures” to way overpay for an overhyped/glorified Divas reality show cast member? Fucking embarrassing.

    Very pedestrian effort by the “flagship” show, 5/10. Definitely not inspired to drop $60+ per ticket to watch this shit in person when it goes on the road.

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    Eva Marie vs Naomi tonight. Looks like Naomi drew the short straw.

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    Good thing Damien Priest moved on from Miz to...catering.

    Two of what should be the most bankable women in WWE have been broken down to terrible acts. I can't believe we've gotten to this point with Charlotte Flair and Rhea Ripley. Nikki Cross continues to get these fluke wins and she's not even involved at the PPV. Nothing seems to matter and that's a big problem. Even with the crappy/confusing booking for these three women, Asuka couldn't buy a win over Rhea lol (though their chemistry continues to improve). Charlotte and Rhea had a decent brawl after Rhea's match but it feels too little, too late here.

    Teasing a retirement stipulation for Jeff Hardy and Cedric Alexander couldn't capitalize (after Hardy just had a match and lost to John Morrison) didn't do any favors for Alexander lol.

    It is a shame that commentary, who is supposed to be an outlet for the audience, doesn’t watch NXT UK for relaying who Eva Marie’s heater was. Seems like she will be fka Piper Niven so we'll see what humdinger of a name they come up with. Piper ended up forcing the match to take place, with her facing Naomi instead of Eva. She looked fine and should be more than serviceable in this role, but I'm curious to see what comes of it. I can buy them as a pairing for the time being.

    New Day vs. RK-Bro was easily the strongest part of the night. This was just a fantastic tag match and a good culmination for a month-long storyline. Depending on the rest of the PPV, this match probably should have just gone on that card instead. It wasn't promoted that well leading up to the show and didn't make the PPV so that feels like a missed opportunity on WWE's end. A live crowd would have eaten this match up, especially with a hot finish of Xavier Woods going for the Honor Roll but eating an RKO. They really haven't tweaked a lot to Riddle's character during this pairing with Orton but seems to be coming across more appealing. Keeping this momentum throughout the duration of RK-Bro, the eventual breakup, and blowoff match could really send Riddle on a fast trajectory towards some singles gold.

    This carried over to more goodness between Kofi Kingston and MVP after the match. The hint of truth, which makes a great heel, is the fact that MVP is referencing that Woods could be holding Kingston back. Woods lost to Riddle and Orton in singles matches over recent weeks and Kingston won his matches against them, and Woods was the one who ate the pin here. I highly doubt they're breaking up New Day but they're planting strong seeds for that.

    Dumb to see they wanted to just go halfhearted with Alexa Bliss here. Nia Jax challenged her to a match and Alexa now has a match at the PPV against Shayna Baszler...and you couldn't give Alexa a clean win here? Instead there's a stupid DQ finish because of Reginald.

    Color me unimpressed with the go-home stuff for Drew McIntyre/Bobby Lashley. Let this feud mercifully end on Sunday.

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    - Alexa wasn't wearing her contacts at the beginning. She was also wearing black instead of pink which, in the past, signifying that she went through a transformation. That's something she's only done for matches. If they're not going to explain her powers, they can at least be consistent.

    - I never watched Rhea in NXT. What's she about? Brutality? They've given me no reason to care one iota about her as champ. And Charlotte can't keep track of the Ref's count. What a goof.

    - What a terrible idea to have Lashley get pinned on the go home show before the PPV. Makes me think he'll retain, but who knows with this company...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    - I never watched Rhea in NXT. What's she about? Brutality? They've given me no reason to care one iota about her as champ. And Charlotte can't keep track of the Ref's count. What a goof.
    She was a badass who was a tad limited with promo work but they would go with a less is more approach at times with her talking segments. She totally went through a makeover from the first time she appeared on WWE, during the Mae Young Classic back in 2017. She was easily classified as a Charlotte clone because she was a tall blonde with bright colors for her gear. She went with this current look the next time she came around and hit the ground running. Rhea was menacing and imposing on NXT UK and NXT...and it has all gone away. They didn't reinvent the wheel or anything, which is the sad part of all of this.

    She feels like a performer who is built off confidence and momentum. She hasn't been booked to have either of those so we're seeing a very disjointed character and a performer who is trying to find her way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    She was a badass who was a tad limited with promo work but they would go with a less is more approach at times with her talking segments. She totally went through a makeover from the first time she appeared on WWE, during the Mae Young Classic back in 2017. She was easily classified as a Charlotte clone because she was a tall blonde with bright colors for her gear. She went with this current look the next time she came around and hit the ground running. Rhea was menacing and imposing on NXT UK and NXT...and it has all gone away. They didn't reinvent the wheel or anything, which is the sad part of all of this.

    She feels like a performer who is built off confidence and momentum. She hasn't been booked to have either of those so we're seeing a very disjointed character and a performer who is trying to find her way.
    I remember a segment with Rhea right before 'Mania last year where she talked about the Charlotte comparisons. The new look definitely made her stand out. Knowing more about the way she was handled in NXT, her booking on the main roster is completely disjointed. Rhea looks like she should be a total bad ass, fucking up women left and right, but she's more like a cat who's been declawed.
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    Positives:

    -Nikki Cross getting the W
    -Can I get Morrison in the US title mix, please?
    -New v RK Bro, inject that shit to my veins.
    -Asuka v Rhea
    -Alexa freaking Bliss
    -AJ freaking Styles. One more run, ferda…

    Negatives:

    -WWE math suggests that Charlotte doing the job on the go-home TV event means she’s going over at the PPV. Which would royally suck because Rhea desperately needs the W.
    -Not a good look that you have your women’s champion at the broadcast booth without a headset. Was she a better talker in NXT or is that simply not her forte?
    -Cedric whining about disrespect is ironic.
    -Two combined matches between Jeff Hardy/John Morrison/Cedric Alexander, all solid workers, get less than ten minutes?
    -So the company released Braun and broke up two of the few women’s tag teams for an over-rated and glorified manager? Fuck right off, Vince.
    -Can we finally admit that the women’s tag division is dead and buried? Fucking embarrassing.
    -Some serious Drew McIntyre fatigue, yo. Take some time off when you job to Lashley at HIAC, come back to a monster face pop just prior to Survivor Series.
    -Ryker v Elias, nobody gives a shit.
    -that six man tag.

    A brutal go-home show. 4/10.

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    I hardly watch Raw lately. Tyson and BG's recaps are sufficient enough. I hope they're just pacing themselves for the returns of crowds to deliver at least halfway decent shows regularly, or... just have the Smackdown people do all the work. The difference in quality of both shows is insane, considering all that is/was there on Raw. WWE better get their shit together or the live crowds are going to be booing this garbage.

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    Much as I might think #NaomiDeservesBetter, I am 100% on board with this Eva Marie/fka Piper Niven situation. Lots of potential. Nuclear heat for Eva can benefit those she opposes and fka Piper whenever she turns on her. One of the few things on RAW that i actually want to pay attention to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Much as I might think #NaomiDeservesBetter, I am 100% on board with this Eva Marie/fka Piper Niven situation. Lots of potential. Nuclear heat for Eva can benefit those she opposes and fka Piper whenever she turns on her. One of the few things on RAW that i actually want to pay attention to.
    Hopefully the RK-Bro and New Day (with MVP lurking) is on that short list.

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    Riddle's always been tough for me to get into and the fact that he's still tied up in a rape trial doesn't exactly help. But I'll admit the RK-Bro stuff sounds like it's probably one of the better things going. And the New Day stuff as of late seems intriguing. I'm all for Kofi getting in the title scene and/or tensions between Kofi and Woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Riddle's always been tough for me to get into and the fact that he's still tied up in a rape trial doesn't exactly help. But I'll admit the RK-Bro stuff sounds like it's probably one of the better things going. And the New Day stuff as of late seems intriguing. I'm all for Kofi getting in the title scene and/or tensions between Kofi and Woods.
    Orton has gotten more interesting by association (and actual utilization) so that's a plus. Woods has really gotten time to show that he can go in the ring. He is VERY good in the ring with Riddle but he's leveling up. The character work between MVP and Kofi is solid.

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    I like how people think they released loads of folk just to sign Eva Marie ffs.

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    The vitriol from these anti-Eva people are going to make her one of my favorites real quick...

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    The little that Eva even does, she doesn't do it well. Still after all this time, she can't show a shred of charisma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The vitriol from these anti-Eva people are going to make her one of my favorites real quick...
    The fake out of wrestling and her self proclaiming herself does have promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    The fake out of wrestling and her self proclaiming herself does have promise.
    It's very similar to the awesome shit she was doing at the tail end of her previous run where she kept getting hyped and coming out and then having some stupid reason not to wrestle. Eva the Queen Troll of Nuclear Heatsville is A-OK by me. Even more so if Piper benefits by association.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    It's very similar to the awesome shit she was doing at the tail end of her previous run where she kept getting hyped and coming out and then having some stupid reason not to wrestle. Eva the Queen Troll of Nuclear Heatsville is A-OK by me. Even more so if Piper benefits by association.
    I'm not against Troll Eva in theory. I actually think they should have saved this for when they go to a live arena in order to get live nuclear heat. As it is now, it will have too long to simmer, I think. And if it ran long enough, and people actually did start to get behind Piper as a try hard face (and she wins more often than not due to Eva interference, keeping her heat), then that is a good line to go with. But I fear Piper will go down by association because people will reject it the way it appears to be going. Yea, I know, it's only the first week. But people aren't going to give this time if you start out right out the gate awful.

    What I hated was that Naomi got squashed in a minute. It just looks shitty. You mean you couldn't do that with anyone else you have left? Liv Morgan? One of the "sexy muscle friends"? A little seen random from NXT and possibly hype up "hey, she's getting a shot on the big stage with a big, returning star"! Nah, it was one of the few consistently good hands you have, that was once a former champion if you want to pretend that means what it does, and is marketable. Nope, make her look like a punk loser.

    The only other thing I wanted to mention from this episode was the further seeds of the New Day break up. Hasn't it always been Woods that has said in interviews that they would never turn on each other? It would be most fun if they lead up to a Kofi turn, and you think he's going to do it, but it ends up being Woods. Kind of like how everyone assumed it was going to be Roman that turned on the Shield, but it was actually Seth. Big E tries to play peacemaker, but eventually turns on either one of them or both of them. They have a banger 3 way match at a big PPV, then reform after having gotten that "out of their system". Maybe Survivor Series...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar View Post
    I'm not against Troll Eva in theory. I actually think they should have saved this for when they go to a live arena in order to get live nuclear heat. As it is now, it will have too long to simmer, I think. And if it ran long enough, and people actually did start to get behind Piper as a try hard face (and she wins more often than not due to Eva interference, keeping her heat), then that is a good line to go with. But I fear Piper will go down by association because people will reject it the way it appears to be going. Yea, I know, it's only the first week. But people aren't going to give this time if you start out right out the gate awful.

    What I hated was that Naomi got squashed in a minute. It just looks shitty. You mean you couldn't do that with anyone else you have left? Liv Morgan? One of the "sexy muscle friends"? A little seen random from NXT and possibly hype up "hey, she's getting a shot on the big stage with a big, returning star"! Nah, it was one of the few consistently good hands you have, that was once a former champion if you want to pretend that means what it does, and is marketable. Nope, make her look like a punk loser.

    The only other thing I wanted to mention from this episode was the further seeds of the New Day break up. Hasn't it always been Woods that has said in interviews that they would never turn on each other? It would be most fun if they lead up to a Kofi turn, and you think he's going to do it, but it ends up being Woods. Kind of like how everyone assumed it was going to be Roman that turned on the Shield, but it was actually Seth. Big E tries to play peacemaker, but eventually turns on either one of them or both of them. They have a banger 3 way match at a big PPV, then reform after having gotten that "out of their system". Maybe Survivor Series...
    I doubt Piper is going to go down via guilt by association. She's more likely to go down due to WWE losing interest in her when they break them off.

    Liv is on Smackdown, Dana and Mandy are in a tag feud, and literally everyone else on the roster for Raw is being used or is pregnant (Lacey). Naomi was the only option available on the roster. Naomi takes a hard fall here but it does help Piper. She was thrown off by facing someone entirely different and got got. It can happen.

    Woods being the one to flip is interesting and he may possibly need that if he's ever going to get a singles run, but I'm going to remain on the side that New Day stays together as long as they want to stay together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post

    Liv is on Smackdown, Dana and Mandy are in a tag feud, and literally everyone else on the roster for Raw is being used or is pregnant (Lacey). Naomi was the only option available on the roster. Naomi takes a hard fall here but it does help Piper. She was thrown off by facing someone entirely different and got got. It can happen.

    .
    Guess it says something about them switching people around so much that I still think she's a Raw person. Last I saw her before stopped watching for a while, she was getting mangled each week, but trying to win matches. I think it was the her and Ruby reforming angle.

    But you bring up another point that had me going "what"? It's that the ref was acting like he didn't know what was going on. You'd think THE REFEREE would be in the know of who is competing, and that this was pre-approved by someone like Adam Pearce or Sonya. I thought, in this world, just some random can't step in the ring and compete (unless there is a storyline reason explained beforehand). I don't mind the "she was not ready for this person", which actually was referenced by commentayr. However, commentary didn't know who she was, either. I only found out her name by looking after people started talking about the segment. When you add all these elements together, it just was bad. To me. I know I can be a bit of a negative Nelly sometimes. Like I said, it could actually be good in the long run.

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    The fact that you got so ruffled by it being Naomi is exactly why it was Naomi. Someone less significant and it wouldn't have meant as much. And you're essentially saying, "Someone can't wrestle for someone else!" and you're right. You're supposed to be mad about all of it. You're getting worked.

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    I unsubscribed from Peacock, that's how upset I am about Naomi jobbing to Piper Niven.

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    I've calmed down now and have resubscribed to Peacock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supernovametalstar View Post
    Guess it says something about them switching people around so much that I still think she's a Raw person. Last I saw her before stopped watching for a while, she was getting mangled each week, but trying to win matches. I think it was the her and Ruby reforming angle.

    But you bring up another point that had me going "what"? It's that the ref was acting like he didn't know what was going on. You'd think THE REFEREE would be in the know of who is competing, and that this was pre-approved by someone like Adam Pearce or Sonya. I thought, in this world, just some random can't step in the ring and compete (unless there is a storyline reason explained beforehand). I don't mind the "she was not ready for this person", which actually was referenced by commentayr. However, commentary didn't know who she was, either. I only found out her name by looking after people started talking about the segment. When you add all these elements together, it just was bad. To me. I know I can be a bit of a negative Nelly sometimes. Like I said, it could actually be good in the long run.
    Ruby got released recently.

    Commentary (more importantly the directive to commentary) screwed it up by not having answers to how Piper is and where she came from. Of course that's going to be sprinkled exposition over the time being but you'd like to have something there to help. As for the actual execution of the match and how it came to be...WWE Shrug. That's just what they're comfortable doing.

    Naomi fit because she's credible as @mth said.

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    Piper needs new gear. That outfit sucks. Happy to see her on Raw though.

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    I'd much rather Naomi lost to Piper than to Eva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Holy shit, Drew's on a losing streak!
    He lost back-to-back weeks on Raw ending April and starting May.

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    Where the hell is Damien Priest? You've got MITB and this guy is nowhere to be found?

    You might have to go back to early 2020 to find more of an important win for Ricochet. Obviously got help in the form of a distraction from The Viking Raiders and Omos but it's a big win. Probably not ideal for AJ Styles to take Ls like this that might not really matter. Regardless, Ricochet in a ladder match is a good idea.

    Really convoluted presentation in week two with Eva Marie and Doudrop. It was also a try-hard attempt to make up for last week, where they clearly had a legit name to use by opted to go with a new name. I guess there's going to be more of a story to tell but I'm not sure how interesting it is going to be. Doudrop is a stupid name but she can be a solid performer for Raw. Hopefully they see that (both the name and the value).

    Alexa's gone through like three themes since she's changed. Not sure which was more egregious:
    Nikki suddenly embracing her inner Mighty Molly or just flat out ignoring she was tagging with her former BFF, who continues to act like a madwoman. What a wild-ass pairing of them tonight haha.

    I'm starting to wonder if Drew McIntyre's new gimmick is that he's a history buff. I can't imagine when Riddle is going to have a bad match on TV. This guy is on fire. Hilarious when he almost lost his shorts, then pointed to Jimmy Smith as he was applying the armbar. There's a good hook there with Riddle winning his qualifier and Orton not winning his. Beyond impressive that Orton didn't break as Riddle was pleading with him to talk after the match. McIntyre's gotta work on his rollup defense.

    When New Day delivers a promo not based entirely on comedy, they really deliver. Loved them and MVP/Lashley to start the show. What an incredible spot for Xavier Woods: Singles match in the main event of Raw, in Hell in a Cell. Also impressive that this got just about the same amount of time as the Smackdown HIAC match on Friday. They didn't need the cell but they had a very entertaining match.

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    So they are breaking up rkbro already, WWE just keeps digging themselves deeper and deeper.
    ...also where was the day when Randy repeatedly smashed Morrison's head into the table? Meh

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    Positives:

    -Some singles shine for Woods and Kingston? I’ve got all day for that.
    -Ricochet in the MITB match? I’m down.
    -Piper getting one over that colossal waste of money Eva. I want Braun and Ruby back.
    -Now THIS is the Rhea that I want to see. Ripley needs to go over cleanly at MITB.
    -Randy Orton spending his time putting over some midcard talent.
    -Alexa fucking Bliss.
    -Nikki Cross getting the W.
    -Riddle going over McIntyre.
    -Really want them to pull the pin on a Woods singles run, think he would do great as the IC/US champ.

    Negatives:

    -Doudrop? Are you fucking kidding me? Poor Piper, getting glossed with a shitty Retribution level gimmick.
    -I got time for Naomi, but this raver girl gimmick ain’t working.
    -Adam and Sonya doing the equivalent of “a meeting that really could have been an e-mail”.
    -The Women’s tag division is dead.
    -Orton doing the job to Morrison and missing out on MITB? Bro.
    -For someone selfglossing as “Almighty”, you’ve been using some nefarious methods of victory. Lame.

    That was a very solid show. 7/10.

    This company really doesn’t need the likes of yesterday’s stars like Lesnar/Cena/Edge to return, just do a better job of building up those already on the roster…

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    I guess they're only interested in using Priest when Bad Bunny is around.

    As far as the HIAC match, from what I understand, the rumor is that USA was pissed that Smackdown got the match on Friday. To pacify them, Vince probably had to let them have their own HIAC tonight and go the same amount of time as Smackdown's.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    He lost back-to-back weeks on Raw ending April and starting May.
    I forgot about those losses. Everything on RAW just sort of blurs together at this point. With this in mind, Drew really is on a downward spiral. No idea what they'll do with him if he loses again next week.

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    So Wrestling Twitter just enlightened me to the fact that “Doudrop” apparently is a pretty derogatory term…

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    I doubt Piper will be Doudrop after turning on Eva for being pissed at the name.

    Also for the twitter meltdown nerds, Nikkis new gimmick is her own creation as confirmed by her husband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    I doubt Piper will be Doudrop after turning on Eva for being pissed at the name.

    Also for the twitter meltdown nerds, Nikkis new gimmick is her own creation as confirmed by her husband.
    They filed a trademark for the name, was reported online about 4 days ago. She's gonna stay Doudrop.

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    OK Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    OK Dave.
    Glad I could help.

    PS Subscribe.

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    Kiss my ass.

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    At least it's not Mountain Dewdrop

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    I could use one of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Positives:
    -Randy Orton spending his time putting over some midcard talent.

    Negatives:
    -Orton doing the job to Morrison and missing out on MITB? Bro.

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    Main Event may actually be worth a watch this week as Karrion Kross and Bronson Reed have their own matches. Kross faces Shelton Benjamin and Reed faces Drew Gulak. Apparently they're getting a test run.

    Disappointing @Caito, Scarlett was not present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Maybe it is just me, but this didn't make sense to me.
    Yeah I was totally fine with that.

    Though it took Miz getting injured, I hope they give Morrison solo time to shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah I was totally fine with that.

    Though it took Miz getting injured, I hope they give Morrison solo time to shine.
    What I meant is that the points seemed contradictory to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    What I meant is that the points seemed contradictory to me.
    I agree with them being contradictory as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Where the hell is Damien Priest? You've got MITB and this guy is nowhere to be found?
    In case anyone else was curious, now reports are popping up that the back issues he had prior to Mania are flaring up again.

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    Nikki Cross lol. I don't know what's worse, Nikki Cross or Piper Nevin aka Doudrop.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    What I meant is that the points seemed contradictory to me.
    Without speaking for dude I did notice he said SOME midcard talent. Maybe that didn't include John Morrison lol.

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    Nikki’s at least entertaining enough to ham it up.

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    Though I still miss the old Sanity Nikki too.

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    I'll take super hero Nikki over smiling happy to be in a match Nikki

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Nikki’s at least entertaining enough to ham it up.
    It's something my 10 year old daughter might sink her teeth into but if you're talking to the wrong person when it comes to Nikki being entertaining. She's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Though I still miss the old Sanity Nikki too.
    I liked her in this group because it was cool seeing this little crazy chick who never talked just start beating the shit out of people EY or whoever just pinned. Once they called her up, where she just randomly appeared on the sage smiling like a jackass ear to ear about the women's ppv-that was it. Literally every single member of Sanity has flopped HARD and I think it just showed that while the Sanity gimmick was cool-it was the gimmick that worked, not the other 4.

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    Booking Piper Niven as an old Scottish mate of Nikki’s could have been a boon to the women’s tag division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Booking Piper Niven as an old Scottish mate of Nikki’s could have been a boon to the women’s tag division.
    I think releasing Nikki Cross would be much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think releasing Nikki Cross would be much better.
    There is certainly more deadweight *coughTamina* that should be released ahead of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    There is certainly more deadweight *coughTamina* that should be released ahead of her.
    Oh yeah nobody is saying Nikki Cross is #1 on my list to get released. We can definitely go the signing/release thread and talk about who is still there that needs cut. Tamina would be right up there with Nikki Cross for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Main Event may actually be worth a watch this week as Karrion Kross and Bronson Reed have their own matches. Kross faces Shelton Benjamin and Reed faces Drew Gulak. Apparently they're getting a test run.

    Disappointing @Caito, Scarlett was not present.

    Damnit

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    Rumors are that Scarlett will have to "tryout" in front of Vince and others on the main roster. Further showing that NXT is NOT considered main roster.

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    She’s also never wrestled on NXT, so I don’t find it that surprising really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    She’s also never wrestled on NXT, so I don’t find it that surprising really.
    She's also never really been a wrestler to begin with. So it is surprising that someone who has been under contract for 2 years would need to "try out". She's part of Kross' deal, if she sucks as a wrestler and Kross winds up on his own it kind of takes away a nice part of his presentation. That wouldn't be surprising considering WWE enjoys destroying everything that's cool.

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    I will preface this by saying i personally haven’t seen it, but I have been told that she does have experience and is decent at the very least.

    For whatever that’s worth I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I will preface this by saying i personally haven’t seen it, but I have been told that she does have experience and is decent at the very least.

    For whatever that’s worth I guess.
    Yep I've been following her career since she was in ROH and she CAN wrestle but it's not really her thing. She's a Sable. I guess if anyone can point to a time where an NXT talent had to do a 2nd tryout when getting called up I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    What I meant is that the points seemed contradictory to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I agree with them being contradictory as well.
    Both things can be simultaneously true.

    I love seeing Randy working with some of the midcarders and helping them get over by virtue of a program with a future HOFer. I feel like this whole RK Bro angle doesn’t even happen if he had vetoed it. That said, the MITB match becomes that much more of an attraction if Orton is in it; the possibility of him winning the briefcase and becoming another highend opportunist would be a great storyline.

    Now, maybe Randy has already been offered and turned down this match and is opting, for the time being, to chill in the background. “I’m good here, just don’t forget my spot come Rumble/Mania season”.

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    I will say this....Morrison being in a ladder match is more of a spectacle for the match than if Orton was in it simply because of what people would expect out of them in this setting. It definitely raises the value in terms of status if Orton is in the mix compared to Morrison, but I can see why Morrison and not Orton is in it.

    But then they just announced a last chance match with Drew, AJ, and Orton so we'll see. Either one of those names being added elevates the stature of the match for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Both things can be simultaneously true.

    I love seeing Randy working with some of the midcarders and helping them get over by virtue of a program with a future HOFer. I feel like this whole RK Bro angle doesn’t even happen if he had vetoed it. That said, the MITB match becomes that much more of an attraction if Orton is in it; the possibility of him winning the briefcase and becoming another highend opportunist would be a great storyline.

    Now, maybe Randy has already been offered and turned down this match and is opting, for the time being, to chill in the background. “I’m good here, just don’t forget my spot come Rumble/Mania season”.
    He's done a decent amount of stupid-looking crap over the last year or two lol, so he's either got no veto stroke or he's just down for whatever. I tend to think it is the latter.

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    Yeah I mean, he was feuding with Fiend on some wild shit for like 8 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    In case anyone else was curious, now reports are popping up that the back issues he had prior to Mania are flaring up again.
    The irony of reoccurring back issues considering he was putting over his bullshit chiro and cryo treatments on his 24 special...

    For reals, though, it's too bad as I like the guy and really wanted him to continue off the Mania momentum. Priest vs. Sheamus right about now would be dope. Speaking of which, where's Sheamus? His shit with Ricochet/Carillio/Mansoor just dropped off the map...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The irony of reoccurring back issues considering he was putting over his bullshit chiro and cryo treatments on his 24 special...

    For reals, though, it's too bad as I like the guy and really wanted him to continue off the Mania momentum. Priest vs. Sheamus right about now would be dope. Speaking of which, where's Sheamus? His shit with Ricochet/Carillio/Mansoor just dropped off the map...
    He got a legit broken nose and had surgery for it. On Monday, he was with the group of Mahal, Hardy, and Alexander that were bitching about not being in MITB qualifying matches. Then when Pearce showed a hint of buying the argument and wanted Sheamus to wrestle, Sheamus tucked his tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The irony of reoccurring back issues considering he was putting over his bullshit chiro and cryo treatments on his 24 special...

    For reals, though, it's too bad as I like the guy and really wanted him to continue off the Mania momentum. Priest vs. Sheamus right about now would be dope. Speaking of which, where's Sheamus? His shit with Ricochet/Carillio/Mansoor just dropped off the map...
    What was bullshit about them?

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    Guys like Ricochet and Morrison are only in the MITB match to create moments that people will forget about a day later. They have 0 chance of winning.

    It's like Kofi in the Rumble, or Shelton in past MITB matches, though I suppose now being a former champion Kofi could win the Rumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    He got a legit broken nose and had surgery for it. On Monday, he was with the group of Mahal, Hardy, and Alexander that were bitching about not being in MITB qualifying matches. Then when Pearce showed a hint of buying the argument and wanted Sheamus to wrestle, Sheamus tucked his tail.
    Ah yeah, forgot about the broken nose for a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Guys like Ricochet and Morrison are only in the MITB match to create moments that people will forget about a day later. They have 0 chance of winning.

    It's like Kofi in the Rumble, or Shelton in past MITB matches, though I suppose now being a former champion Kofi could win the Rumble.
    That's the beauty of MITB, sometimes a talent we think is just there to fill a slot winds up winning. Jack Swagger jumps out. I didn't expect him to win that MITB. Same with Otis last year.

    Speaking of Otis and MiTB. Aside from Kennedy who basically dropped the case to Edge because he was either about to serve a suspension or deal with an injury....but is Otis the only person to ever win and never get to cash in?

    I will say this though....If Ricochet wins, he could be a guy who gets elevated due to having the case and possibly winning a World title. Sadly I don't see it because while he is breathtaking to watch wrestle, the guy hasn't found his niche. I truly 1000% believe a heel turn could do him wonders as we've seen some pretty bland babyfaces turn in a star making performance as heels (see Neville for a great example or AJ Styles).

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    I don't see anything in Ricochet that makes me think he's able to pull off a convincing heel turn. Put a microphone in front of him and people cringe worse than putting Lana in the ring.

    He's a lot like Cesaro in that he's really talented in the ring but really mediocre on the mic. But Cesaro is ten times better on the mic than Ricochet is.

    And he hasn't been allowed to participate in long enough matches to let his ring work convince the audience he's worth the investment. Kind of like Gable initially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    I don't see anything in Ricochet that makes me think he's able to pull off a convincing heel turn. Put a microphone in front of him and people cringe worse than putting Lana in the ring.

    He's a lot like Cesaro in that he's really talented in the ring but really mediocre on the mic. But Cesaro is ten times better on the mic than Ricochet is.

    And he hasn't been allowed to participate in long enough matches to let his ring work convince the audience he's worth the investment. Kind of like Gable initially.
    I didn't see anything in Neville at the time prior to turning heel that he could be a convincing heel-proved me wrong. Let me ask you this---when has he portrayed a heel since being in NXT/WWE? Being a shit babyface doesn't mean you're automatically a shit heel. ROMAN REIGNS has proven that he is a much better heel than a babyface. Especially if we're talking mic work. There was nothing prior to him turning heel again that made me go you know what, based on mic skills, Roman would be a great heel one day. Roman on the mic as a babyface was TERRIBLE.

    I can't speak on the audience because we're both part of that same audience and have very different views about Ricochet.

    Like I said, Neville was in the same boat. AJ Styles too. Neither of them shined on the mic as babyfaces but were very over with their wrestling style-and Ricochet is over in the ring. Long matches don't prove anything. Triple H is in the longest matches every year he's on the Mania card, most of them suck.

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    Sometimes I think folks think babyfaces have shit mic skills when the real problem is they just don't have anything interesting to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Sometimes I think folks think babyfaces have shit mic skills when the real problem is they just don't have anything interesting to say.
    Exactly. If he turns heel and blows, then it was never meant to be. Sometimes if you're stuck playing the same character over and over people just assume you can't pull off any other role. Remember when Adam Sandler did that 9/11 movie? Or Punch Drunk Love? Or Uncut Gems? Those were reallllly good performances but every time he was written off because people thought he was just going to be Waterboy.

    Or when people thought Mark Wahlberg couldn't do comedy because he was never in a comedy until later in his career-and he's fucking hilarious.

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    You can't compare Ricochet to Reigns because Reigns also has something that Ricochet completely lacks - a fantastic look. When Roman debuted as part of the Shield, it was clear he was the one grabbing everyone's attention. As Enzo used to say about Big Cass, you can't teach that.

    I will grant you that Neville didn't overwhelm as a face initially, and his heel turn showed a side that we didn't expect to be so good. But to counter your Neville example, consider someone currently on the roster with a failed, or shall I say at the very least a completely underwhelming - heel turn - Ali.

    The most enjoyable characters are the ones who fans can believe are fully into their gimmick. Randy Orton and Riddle are at a very high level right now. So is Alexa Bliss. MVP has brought out the very best side of the Almighty Bob Lashley.

    From there, it's a step down to the next level, where we have maybe Kofi and Woods, Sheamus, even Jinder. Morrison is at this second level only because the Miz - even hurt - has helped him. And I think due to viewer fatigue and overexposure, Drew has fallen to this second level as well. Rhea stepped it up so she's here. Nobody is ready for Asuka. Not sure where to place Charlotte. Mighty Nikki is entertaining enough that she belongs here. Piper DouDrop has shown more in two weeks than most of the women's division, to make us look forward to more from her. AJ Styles and Big & Tall shopper partner belong here only because they are the tag champs but they aren't really doing anything interesting. Eating smoked turkey legs is not entertainment for those of us eating chicken wings at home.

    The rest of the roster is at the level where fans don't really care - we might be familiar with some of what they do, but due to failed pushes , injuries and/or forgotten storylines, it is easy to forget who's away and who is on the roster but stuck in catering.

    I think it was really smart of the WWE to keep Miz around for Morrison's sake, but if he's hurt but can still appear, and Sheamus appears with a broken nose, then why can't they even mention why others are gone or are not used?

    Instead of giving a second chance to just McIntrye, AJ and Randy, they should have had a battle royal for the remaining MITB spot.

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    Whaddaya mean Ricochet doesn't have a good look? He's a hunk with abs that could grate cheese.
    Your Ali counter doesn't really count because Retribution was a pile of hot garbage. Dude's probably never going to shake off that stink.
    Ricochet is literally face Neville right now: bland-ass quasi-superhero babyface that can do gravity-defying high-flying. Ricochet has yet to have his King of the Cruiserweights-esque opportunity to evolve. He's still in his Apollo Crews-for-the-past-four-years phase.

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    Shit there's another guy. CREWS. That guy had ZERO going for him. Even Scott Hall couldn't help him. But now look, fantastic performances every week.

    You're talking about Bobby Lashley....Another guy who fucking sucks on the mic, both as a heel and babyface-but not once in the WWE did we ever see him as a heel until recently and wow, look at you giving him props lol. It's almost like they put Lashley in a different role than we were used to seeing and it worked!

    My comparison (and several others you obviously left out) works perfect for Roman. You were talking about mic skills. Roman was hideous on the mic, calling him hideous is actually giving him more credit than he deserves. You want to change it up and start talking about look.....Ricochet looks totally fine. His look is the least of his worries lol.

    Again, maybe if you saw him in a different role you'd have a different opinion. Just blindly assuming he wouldn't be a good heel based on how he's booked and what he's told to say as a babyface is extremely narrow minded.

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    I hate that WWE will book a guy to basically be a jobber, then all of a sudden they say "Hey let's start pushing this guy" and he starts winning. It can't be that hard to make guys look always credible can it? Like Cesaro, just started winning after what losing most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I hate that WWE will book a guy to basically be a jobber, then all of a sudden they say "Hey let's start pushing this guy" and he starts winning. It can't be that hard to make guys look always credible can it? Like Cesaro, just started winning after what losing most of the time.
    Without enhancement talent/jobbers it's very hard to make EVERYONE look credible.

    The way I see it is like in MMA. You will have a guy midtier, 50/50 record. Then all the sudden after 7 years he goes on a 9-fight winning streak and wins the title. This happens quite a bit.

    To be fair, Cesaro was a very accomplished tag wrestler and he's not wrestling the same exact people. In pro wrestling it's hard to incorporate reality in terms of wins/losses because you could have John Cena losing for a year, and then he becomes the biggest name since The Rock.

    They try to do 50/50 booking and people shit on it because then nobody looks strong. And when they don't 50/50 someone like Roman Reigns, people bitch that they never lose--while forgetting that a win against someone like Roman, who doesn't lose often, is a big deal. Just like John Cena....He didn't elevate the US title at all. It was never about winning the US title, it was always about beating John Cena. Kevin Owens didn't get a big push by beating the US champion, he got the push and credibility by beating John Cena.

    I like when they take someone who hasn't been winning often and they tell the story of this person pulling off the upsets, or finally getting to that next level and being better than he was the last time he fought so and so. They just have to make it consistent. People are going to lose and without jobbers, that means talent that have purpose, no matter how big/little, will have to put someone over.

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