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    Gotta be honest, Mace (that's the one that's Dio Madden, yeah?) actually looks kind of cool. With his mask/hair/outfit he looks like sort of a Predator/Alien combination.

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    I'm gonna defend the Mandy/Dana pairing a little bit. Both of them have potential, but are not ready to be in the title picture. Mandy had some fun moments with Otis, but where was it going to really go? She wasn't getting as much ring time since Sonya left. Dana and her both have a similar vibe, they can work a good pace, and this allows Mandy to primarily be a wrestler again. I actually like the pairing, and think the team could grow.


    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Gotta be honest, Mace (that's the one that's Dio Madden, yeah?) actually looks kind of cool. With his mask/hair/outfit he looks like sort of a Predator/Alien combination.
    I can only hope that this group gets progressively weirder, and they can someday join the boogeyman in the mth pantheon (mtheon?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I'm gonna defend the Mandy/Dana pairing a little bit. Both of them have potential, but are not ready to be in the title picture. Mandy had some fun moments with Otis, but where was it going to really go? She wasn't getting as much ring time since Sonya left. Dana and her both have a similar vibe, they can work a good pace, and this allows Mandy to primarily be a wrestler again. I actually like the pairing, and think the team could grow.
    It's not atrocious but I think we zoomed past the shit or get off the pot period with Dana. For whatever reason, they seem to be okay with doing something with her for maybe a month and then it's all gone. I've seen that 2-3 times and that just tells me that I can't really get too, too excited about her prospects going forward. Mandy, however, developed quite a bit over the last year. Yeah, she didn't get a lot of ring time but she was able to show some personality, some humor, some willingness to make herself look silly and it didn't look bad. If it's an entry point to getting Mandy acclimated to the brand, cool. If it's actually with the attempt to build them as a legit team and challenge for the titles...I don't have high hopes.

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    What a strange year Liv's had. She was barely seen in the second half of 2019, but actually got drafted despite not being on TV. Then there's the vignettes about her finding herself only to then be revealed as Lana's lesbian lover. Remember when that was a thing for 2 weeks? Then Liv focuses the rest of the year on singles competition before suddenly reconciling with Ruby, probably because WWE didn't have long term plans for either of them. Not it's like she never went out on her own at all and is firmly back in the Riott Squad. What happened to all the finding herself business?
    Was cool to do at the time but lost interest in it and the regime change probably played a role in it too. I remember she had a pretty decent one-off match with Charlotte too. There's upside there, for sure. Just have to stay invested in her.
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    Mandy Rose is going to be a top player in the woman's division sooner than later. I'm glad they've taken their time with her and she's had a great year or so with how she's developed her character.

    Dana Brooke......There's no upside here. Dana, Tamina, Carmella, put them on the next bus to TNA or something, idk man.

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    It’s a shame Mandy could never get that real blow-off against Sonya due to real life. Definitely still upside to Mandy but tbh a lot of the credit for this goes to Sonya being the perfect foil for her. Tragically cut short storyline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It’s a shame Mandy could never get that real blow-off against Sonya due to real life. Definitely still upside to Mandy but tbh a lot of the credit for this goes to Sonya being the perfect foil for her. Tragically cut short storyline.
    I think we probably got as close as we could with a finish, so there's some solace in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It’s a shame Mandy could never get that real blow-off against Sonya due to real life. Definitely still upside to Mandy but tbh a lot of the credit for this goes to Sonya being the perfect foil for her. Tragically cut short storyline.
    I think they definitely benefited from having each other to play off of. I can't give either more credit than the other because they both delivered 100% on both ends. There was more than just Sonya to this working. Props to Otis, Dolph, Tucker, etc.

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    Definite credit goes to them both and this definitely breathed life into Sonya and she was knocking out the park with her promos. Hope she can get her shit sorted out quickly and return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Definite credit goes to them both and this definitely breathed life into Sonya and she was knocking out the park with her promos. Hope she can get her shit sorted out quickly and return.
    I agree 100%. Here's how I view those two. It reminds me of Edge & Christian. It was another vehicle for Edge to get to the main event, just like The Brood. Coming out of that split though I think Christian really shined and made that feud better than what it might've been had he been more of a Jim Neidhart/Marty Jannetty character.

    I see the same with Mandy and Sonya. It feels like with Mandy it's the trio (Absolution), then it's the tag-team. Now it's the split where she's the babyface but her heel underrated former BFF delivers above and beyond proving herself just as beneficial.

    If Mandy doesn't go on to be a multi-time women's champion then there must be something seriously wrong with the booking. Sonya's future, I hope she deals with everything in a way that brings her back because she most definitely could be a major player as well. We have 2 Shawn's, no Marty's lol

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    Awwww c'mon Jannetty did his part against Shawn. The only real time you'd see him fired up was against Shawn. Like Rumble 94 for instance, Jannetty was done with HBK storyline wise but they still had electricity together when Jannetty hit the ring and they traded punches. His best match in the New Rocker era was probably the single he had against Shawn on Raw too.
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    It's watered down because this isn't the first time they've squared off and it's been going on for months, but I do like the fact that they highlight the rarity of McIntyre being pinned.

    The NO DQ match seemed like a lesser-than version of E/Sheamus from Friday. The feud on Raw wasn't nearly as compelling and the match felt a little more formulaic. The meteora through the chairs was gnarly, though. That was a fun spot. Black turned heel and basically lost right out of the jump. Remember when he had an undefeated streak as a face and that amounted to nothing? Yuck.

    If it weren't for the alleged heat between them, I would have figured Riddle was going to be the guy who answered Rollins' challenge lol. It was a funny drive by burn from Styles as he passed Rollins. The triple threat was pretty nice and it was a given a ton of time. I think it's a bit now where you can't tell if Hardy is actually selling or if he's legit hurt haha. I'm beyond impressed they called back to the injury angle that took Elias off TV. Of course it couldn't be a total win because Charly outlined the story to Elias and he basically blah blah blah'ed it lol. Elias is on that Big Show pacing for turns, too.

    Considering we saw a healthy part of the women's tag match with Dana and Lana wrestling each other, that match wasn't as bad as it could have been. It was actually fairly decent in some parts.

    Good to see Garza didn't miss a ton of time with his injury from the PPV. The whole story with Garza, Andrade, and Zelina didn't really make sense when they tried to piece it together over the course of the match via commentary. Andrade and Zelina linking up again doesn't make a lick of sense lol. I'm also surprised Garza got one-up on Andrade with the win. Andrade's stock has fallen quite a bit over the last few months. It was like we saw the market correction right before our very eyes.

    Tag title match was solid. Roode and Ziggler are a good pairing. They're not flashy but they're really good in the ring. I imagine this was made to have Roode and Ziggler look like a threat because they'll go right after Street Profits on Smackdown.

    It made me laugh that half of the stipulation for Ricochet was that if he wins, he's just left the hell alone. It was good to see that Alexander and Ricochet got time to have a good match. Latino Heat was definitely smiling seeing that result. They're the Hurt Business, not the Smart Business. I'm curious to see if Ricochet actually has momentum to work off of, now that Raw is absolutely stacked with talent.

    Hilarious that they still found an opportunity to have Nia put Lana through a table with a Battle Royal. Lana winning is certainly a choice.

    Big reveal with Ali and Retribution and...nothing new this week. Oh well!

    The Draft:
    It makes sense for The Fiend to move to Raw. He was played out on Smackdown and I'm sure the added hour will give The Funhouse more time to operate. I think they've had their fun for the time being with him being in the title picture, so I really wouldn't look for him to be a threat for McIntyre anytime soon. Alexa was an obvious move, too.

    Injured people being drafted kind of kills the buzz of them suddenly returning when they return so I just would have ignored announcing Charlotte was on Raw.

    Street Profits moving to Smackdown was inevitable with New Day coming. I saw some people suggesting a title unification. That could have been a fun idea but now we get to see two watered down divisions so there you go! Good on SP becoming Triple Crown champs.

    Figured we'd see the changes with Riddle/Raw and Owens/Smackdown. Just didn't seem like either of them had a direct path to more relevancy so maybe a different brand will work for them. Will be interesting to see how Raw handles having Riddle and Lee on the same brand as they're two newer guys that have a lot of upside. Hardy seems like he'll be involved wherever he goes until he breaks down so I'm sure he'll be involved in the US title picture at some point.

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    One has to be curious why on Earth they paired Mandy Rose with Dana Brooke. Dana is in the Alicia Fox role as someone who has nothing whatsoever to offer. I used to enjoy when people would say "Oh well they're good for when they need to send someone to a school or autograph signing" The fuck they are lol. Imagine who exciting it must be as a kid who watches Raw and Dana Brooke and Titus are your guests...............

    Anyway.....Mandy Rose deserves better. She can talk, she can work, she had a great angle going with Otis. Now what? Stuck with an anchor.

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    If I was a kid I would be excited to see Dana Brooke, not the xenomorph so much though I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    If I was a kid I would be excited to see Dana Brooke, not the xenomorph so much though I agree with you.
    Depending on what she was wearing lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    One has to be curious why on Earth they paired Mandy Rose with Dana Brooke. Dana is in the Alicia Fox role as someone who has nothing whatsoever to offer. I used to enjoy when people would say "Oh well they're good for when they need to send someone to a school or autograph signing" The fuck they are lol. Imagine who exciting it must be as a kid who watches Raw and Dana Brooke and Titus are your guests...............

    Anyway.....Mandy Rose deserves better. She can talk, she can work, she had a great angle going with Otis. Now what? Stuck with an anchor.

    I think Dana is complementary enough that she doesn't detract, but definitely doesn't overshine Mandy. I think they could go well enough in the ring, and Mandy is the definitive A, where I think Dana could be more seasoning than an anchor.

    All that said, I do love the thought of a middle school principal hyping up an assembly for Dana Brooke.

    You could see it "We have a real treat for you guys!...Quiet!....One of your favorite stars from WWWE.....Seriously, guys if you can't sit on your seats...we'll just wait......OK!....THANK YOU...THANK YOU......HERE SHE IS! WOMEN'S WWF WRESTLER .....DANA BROOKENS!"

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    Cue lots of tomatoes and other types of produce being thrown.

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    Repo Woman aka Dana Crook.

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    Dana Brooke is fucking awesome, you lot are insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Dana Brooke is fucking awesome, you lot are insane.
    Hey, you don't have to sell me. But you are going to have to convince the kids in this assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Dana Brooke is fucking awesome, you lot are insane.
    Oh that’s nothing....she can be much better!

    Dana Book....librarian gimmick where she tells the audience to shhhhh!!!

    Dana Cook...chef, comedian or just rip-off of the Rock if you smell what the Dana’s cookin!

    Dana Hook...pirate rip-off and a hook for a hand.

    Dana Look....she keeps running into things and not looking where she’s going....”Dana...LOOK!”

    Dana Rook where she has a bird gimmick.

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    They should have arnold come in and just yell Dana! Like he did in true lies

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    Halloween’s coming up. Can’t wait for her Dana Spook costume.

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    Dana Brook - she just lays on the ground and babbles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Halloween’s coming up. Can’t wait for her Dana Spook costume.
    If she scares herself, would that make her Dana Shook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    If she scares herself, would that make her Dana Shook?
    I do believe you’d be correct!

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    Dana peaked when she was was the comic relief in the MITB match. Her best role was, and still is, being the secretary in Titus World Wide.

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    I should change my name to Danald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I should change my name to Danald
    Do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Dana peaked when she was was the comic relief in the MITB match. Her best role was, and still is, being the secretary in Titus World Wide.
    Puns aside, she has been showing improvement but small fish in big pond. The usual response of “send them back to NXT” won’t even work here because that division is staaacked and better off than the women’s main roster.

    I was opposed to the comedy MITB stuff at first but now I think that’s probably the best chance she has to maintain her place. Not feeling this tram with Mandy who I think is better off on her own. Just go all out goofy with Dana.

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    Dana Crook - she should dress up like the Hamburglar and steal things out of the locker room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Dana Crook - she should dress up like the Hamburglar and steal things out of the locker room.
    I said that 8 hours ago!

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    My bad - it was before your longer list

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    If she is successful in her thievery, she'll be Dana Took.





    mth's brook is still the best one.

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    I did it all for the Dana Brookie, c'mon The Brookie, c'mon So you can take that cookie And stick it up your yeah!

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    Another Halloween reference since it is coming up. Dooking for apples so Dana Dook.

    Selling shit pics online could make her Dana Brookshart.

    Aside, I agree mth had the best one as no easiest one to pull off.

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    Let's be honest....when 99.9% of our talks concerning Dana Brooke over the last 5-6 years been nothing but what if's, it's time for her to go.

    Mugs act like when she takes a babystep toward improvement once every 2 years it's some sign that she has something to offer. I wish I was a younger fan, like 15-20, so I didn't have to grow up during a time where wrestling companies wanted actual talented wrestlers. And they didn't give them 4-5 years to finally figure out how to do even the smallest things.

    Imagine if we had to sit through 5 years of randomly seeing the worst jobber in WWF sparingly used with actual talented people? Nobody ever hit up Duane Gill and said hey buddy, let's get you in a tag-team with Ultimate Warrior and then we'll have you team up with Hogan and maybe we'll get you back a year later and you can team up with Jake the Snake.

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    But if they let her go, she'd be jobless.

    Then she'd be Dana Broke

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    If I were a better man, I’d say these Dana Jokes are getting out of hand.

    But I’m not.

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    I thought Eddie Vedder was the better man.

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    Just don't call him daughter.

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    I actually really enjoyed Dana's idiot shtick in the MITB and was really hoping it might lead to her being featured more with a more entertaining character. I pitched the idea of her playing this total ditz and fumbling and bumbling her way into a title match where the champ thinks she's a cakewalk because she's a moron only for it to be revealed she was playing the part all along. Could've been a fun little feud for a couple months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Puns aside, she has been showing improvement but small fish in big pond. The usual response of “send them back to NXT” won’t even work here because that division is staaacked and better off than the women’s main roster.

    I was opposed to the comedy MITB stuff at first but now I think that’s probably the best chance she has to maintain her place. Not feeling this tram with Mandy who I think is better off on her own. Just go all out goofy with Dana.
    The only value I can see in Dana is putting people over. There really aren't any jobbers in RAW's women's division and that seems like her speed. Like Nash said, she's been around for a long time and just hasn't made the progress that you would expect. Since Carmella is no longer with Truth, I could also see Dana filling the role of his sidekick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    The only value I can see in Dana is putting people over. There really aren't any jobbers in RAW's women's division and that seems like her speed. Like Nash said, she's been around for a long time and just hasn't made the progress that you would expect. Since Carmella is no longer with Truth, I could also see Dana filling the role of his sidekick.
    Truth’s sidekick has to be Carmella, can’t replace that really. The best possible use for Carmella ever and they took her away from Truth and turned her back heel to complete apathy cos Mella is moneyz lol.

    Could at least turn Dana heel and have her (at least attempt to) cheat. Dana by Hook or by Crook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    The only value I can see in Dana is putting people over. There really aren't any jobbers in RAW's women's division and that seems like her speed. Like Nash said, she's been around for a long time and just hasn't made the progress that you would expect. Since Carmella is no longer with Truth, I could also see Dana filling the role of his sidekick.
    She doesn't really matter so I don't know if it actually matters if she's putting people over. There's at least 12-14 women on the Raw side of the women's division and she's nowhere near being seen as priority. Make a list and she maybe is more important or viable long term than maybe two of them. Maybe or probably less than that. She's honestly on the wrong brand if she's going to amount to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Truth’s sidekick has to be Carmella, can’t replace that really. The best possible use for Carmella ever and they took her away from Truth and turned her back heel to complete apathy cos Mella is moneyz lol.

    Could at least turn Dana heel and have her (at least attempt to) cheat. Dana by Hook or by Crook.
    Yeah, but it's all foreign currency that's only worth a buck fifty here.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    She doesn't really matter so I don't know if it actually matters if she's putting people over. There's at least 12-14 women on the Raw side of the women's division and she's nowhere near being seen as priority. Make a list and she maybe is more important or viable long term than maybe two of them. Maybe or probably less than that. She's honestly on the wrong brand if she's going to amount to anything.
    I look at someone like Billie Kay. She's pretty bad in the wrestling department, but has allot of personality and can talk. Even if she's hopeless in the ring, they can still do something with her as an on screen character. Dana is just a lost cause and I don't know what they can do other than stick her in random tag teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post

    I look at someone like Billie Kay. She's pretty bad in the wrestling department, but has allot of personality and can talk. Even if she's hopeless in the ring, they can still do something with her as an on screen character. Dana is just a lost cause and I don't know what they can do other than stick her in random tag teams.
    If there's a compelling character Dana has, we've yet to see it. You usually can see glimpses of potential, whether it be in the ring or charisma, even if it's a short amount of time. I just don't think there's been much there to be seen with Dana.

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    I thought her pairing with Emma was nice. Then they cut Emma and replace her with Charlotte. Nothing ever came of that pairing or breakup that helped Dana.

    Everyone is pretty much salvageable to an extent. When Dana came out to face Ronda and she cut that promo basically saying she was a nobody but was never given a chance or whatever, that could have been something as well.

    It's almost like she was signed with the background she has with the intent that they could do something special but they literally never did shit with her. She comes out, flips, and then flexes but has no muscle.....See, if she was a great worker, the gimmick wouldn't matter as much if it was as generic as hers is.

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    They should really just pair her up with Tony Nese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    They should really just pair her up with Tony Nese.
    Tony Nese managed by Dana Brooke and Donald'd be over here just fainting away. Hell, bring back Mixed Match Challenge and they can win and Donald can ascend to a higher plane.

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    Dana is so gorgeous

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    Good to see they got more milage out of that song from Bianca's video from Smackdown. Nice to see them go for something other than rock for an intro song.

    I really like the pairing Alexa and The Fiend. Alexa is buying into the role and they seem to vibe off each other incredibly well. You've got the chaos The Fiend brings and then another type that Retribution has. Seems a bit problematic to have Retribution lose cleanly against a team in The Hurt Business that has been stepping up to them and then The Fiend ate the scraps, taking them all out on his own. I guess they had a chance to make amends later.

    I think Styles downgraded in terms of business associates, going from Joseph Parks to Jordan Omogbehin. It also looks like Raw booked an entry point for Riddle differently than when he debuted on Smackdown. Both had Riddle go up against Styles but Raw opted for somewhat of a clunky match (for these two's standards), due to trying to get Omogbehin over, and had Riddle get pinned right away.

    Glad that sudden build for Lana was worth it. Goodness. WWE isn't against trying to insult our intelligence but I'm thankful they didn't go a bridge too far and make this seem like this was legitimately a chance to be competitive and lengthy. What happened after that seemed like a mess.

    I get the message that Nia and Shayna were trying to portray, going after Asuka and Lana, asserting their dominance but the rest was stupid. Why break up The IIconics to go ahead and pair Peyton up with someone who doesn't make sense as a partner in Lacey? Why bring a Smackdown team over for the heck of it? This seemed like a supreme waste of time.

    The Elias concert was another waste of time but at least the music was entertaining and a good enough way to build up some more attention for him.

    I do like that E showing up in The Thunderdome helped turn the tide for Kingston against Sheamus. That said, the match had some good moments but it was a step down if iit is going to be compared to what Sheamus and E were doing over the last few weeks. Woods was a notable standout as a second for Kingston. He was very animated and helped convey ebbs and flows of the match.

    I really enjoyed Ali's promo. Good on them to go ahead and close the loop with revealing that he was the hacker. I like the approach Ali had with creating his motivation for being the hacker and then ramping things up with establishing Retribution. That was all good and he's a compelling character, but it still felt unnecessary to have Retribution job out and look like chum afterwards. They will need to be heated up in a hurry to help wash that stain away.

    The Big Fat Man...oh well. Just another silly moment of spitting on the split.

    Funhouse was fun. Should be cool to see how Alexa will be incorporated within it.

    Main event wasn't hyped very much over the course of the episode, which seems counterproductive. I really don't know what I was expecting but I didn't anticipate a 3-4 minute match with Lee losing, only to have the heat taken right away with Lee turning this into Styles/Nakamura...a battle of the balls. I also don't know if it does Strowman any favors having him writhing in pain on back-to-back episodes of WWE programming.

    This closing segment felt as clunky as Reigns and Lesnar playing tug of war with the title. At least there was physicality with that segment. McIntyre "broke into hell" but then we didn't see anything as they went off air. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Dana Rook where she has a bird gimmick.
    But she can only move in straight lines.

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    After what happened to Retribution last night, they better win big at Survivor Series.

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