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    Totally in my face!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    On the Mickie finish, It seems like a possible legit shoulder injury.
    When Zelina was confronting Asuka, you could see the top of the ref's head peaking over the edge of the ring. He was probably tending to Mickie so an injury seems likely.

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    Mickie's not injured. She just took some hard shots and sold really well and the decision was made to call the match even though she was fine.

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    Feel bad for Mickie. Hopefully she gets another shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Mickie's not injured. She just took some hard shots and sold really well and the decision was made to call the match even though she was fine.
    Is that you Canton?

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    It was reported just a bit ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Is that you Canton?
    Nah, I didn't say anything about running her website or that she told me personally...


    Hey, on a different note: they should just merge the Men's tag titles and make them multibrand like the Women's tag belts. RAW's tag scene is virtually non-existant now that Garza/Andrade split and SD's isn't exactly leaps better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Nah, I didn't say anything about running her website or that she told me personally...


    Hey, on a different note: they should just merge the Men's tag titles and make them multibrand like the Women's tag belts. RAW's tag scene is virtually non-existant now that Garza/Andrade split and SD's isn't exactly leaps better...
    Totally, fuck the tag team split nonsense. Get them defended on both. It’s that bad they give away tag champs vs tag champs on Raw with very little or zero fanfare. Split tag divisions are fucked.

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    Cesaro and Breeze leaving their current in-ring tag partners and consolidating all belts for LRLR/UUDD purposes rubbing it in Creed’s face while still somewhat keeping up their UNO rivalry with Breeze refusing to give Cesaro a colour would be magical.

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    Should have built the champs vs. champs match for a few more weeks as a unification match at Clash of Champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Should have built the champs vs. champs match for a few more weeks as a unification match at Clash of Champions.
    It honestly sounds like they want to burn through logical ideas like that in order to move onto something else that is random.

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    I guess they can always just slap two singles wrestlers together to make a new tag team whenever they want...

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    Cesaro/Breeze dominating everything sounds like the best idea at this point. Breeze will still refuse to give Cesaro a colour.

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    Remember when Mustafa Ali returned to RAW and then disappeared two weeks later? Poor bastard. Ricochet needs a new partner...just put those two boys together as your superhero tag team and actually get behind them FFS and there's something, right?!

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    Remember when they thought Raw Underground was a good thing and they have the most intimidating guy who could kick everyone’s arse just guard the door? (Also totally agreeing on Ali btw).

    That staredown between him and Braun actually makes me want to see that. Why are they not using that giant? Is he really that green?

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    You're talking about Jordan Omogbehin? Then the answer is yes, he is that green. Signed in 2018, no wrestling background, and only started working in front of crowds last summer.

    I'm just digging that Dabba-Kato's looking pretty beastly on there. They've actually got me curious to see him and Braun next week. Thought they were going to follow up on him laying out Owens/Black a week ago but nerrrrp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    You're talking about Jordan Omogbehin? Then the answer is yes, he is that green. Signed in 2018, no wrestling background, and only started working in front of crowds last summer.
    Yes sorry I forgot the name.

    Honestly what’s the point in him standing there looking big on TV when he lets everyone in anyway? Be as well just having people ask Shane to let them in when he gives the word anyway. Should be developing that dude’s skills before putting him on as a pointless bodyguard (maybe they are atm I don’t know).

    What’s even the point of a bouncer if he’s not even bouncing anyone?

    Honestly this whole Raw Underground thing is right down there with the “try again” pile with the Retribution.

    Wasn’t that also the same guy that was Tozawa’s ninja once and he did nothing? Fair enough if he’s green and can’t work proper matches yet but have him do something!
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    On the flip side, he has it sweet to get paid and do nothing which is living the dream so he’s prob not complaining lol!

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    Maybe that's a testament to how good of a bouncer he is. No one wants to test him.

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    Eh, the guy's getting on tv and gets some face time with Shane. There are worse things. He looks like he could bounce someone.


    I was hoping Adam Cole would show up to bounce some day, just so the NXT thread can lose its mind.

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    The guy’s deffo living the dream as I said, just a bit boring for us to watch though.

    Unless Hornswoggle comes back and tries to run under him....

    Or he bounces Cole because that won’t get old.

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    Adam Cole would sell that bounce like he had been shot out of a cannon. You hear me? Like a cannon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Adam Cole would sell that bounce like he had been shot out of a cannon. You hear me? Like a cannon



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    Or Heath Slater getting in but being bounced one time then trying to get in again wearing comically obvious disguises just because he should be on TV more and has kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Or Heath Slater getting in but being bounced one time then trying to get in again wearing comically obvious disguises just because he should be on TV more and has kids.
    Since WWE can do their "cinematic" bullshit, maybe they could just do this, but with Heath Slater?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Eh, the guy's getting on tv and gets some face time with Shane. There are worse things. He looks like he could bounce someone.


    I was hoping Adam Cole would show up to bounce some day, just so the NXT thread can lose its mind.
    Were you really hoping for this Mazer? If so, I'm sorry brother, you need better shit to hope for in life lol

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    I am. We all have our hopes and dreams. Some people dream of peyton royce taking over the women's division.

    I hope for Adam Cole - bouncer.


    Who are we to judge these flights of fancy?

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    I want to see Adam Cole give somebody a flipping piledriver in the context of a "shoot fight".

    Just to see disbelief pulled so far back it snaps and takes out somebody's eye.

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    I could only make out Mia and Mercedes

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    So, who else thinks Buddy Murphy drops the fall tonight and Rollins kicks his ass, Murphy fires back, turns full face, and that's a match at Clash of Champions?

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    Phew, I'm just happy RAW this week is way less in my face than last week.

    There's a pandemic going on out there, RAW. Respect my six-feet personal boundaries.

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    Man, having that match was like going around your ass to get your dick and all just to have Andrade and Garza Jr against The Street Profits round 87,234.

    Yay!

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    The Viking dude getting hurt couldn't have come at a worse time for this division.

    And why the fuck did they fire AOP when they're in desperate, desperate need of heel teams? Imagine Dominic Mysterio and Humberto Carillo as underdog babyfaces against AOP. That's a match I'd like to see.

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    Its so nice to see Retribution went from looking like what Conservative Trumptards think Antifa looks like to WWE ripping off Mad Max on the budget of a middle-school kid buying a Halloween costume at Rite Aid a half-hour before trick or treating starts.

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    Yeah, Retribution look like they came straight out of Mad Max. Vince is going too far with this Thunderdome gimmick.

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    Lol Vega is so bad but of course vince is pushing her

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    Zelina beating Mickie clean and getting a title shot after barely wrestling for several years

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    Feels like Mickie's winding it down, guys. She lost to Asuka clean last week. She lost to Zelina clean this week.

    She's got a kid at home, a podcast they'll probably try to stop her from doing, and a music career that she can make a lot of money off of, once the Covid clears up.

    She doesn't need WWE.

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    Lol Alexander is so bad but of course vince is pushing him

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    Let me get this straight. A bunch of wrestlers came out dressed like Bane, someone was eaten by a shark, and they're for some reason rerunning the Eddie is your father angle from 15 years ago?

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    Loving that Ruby Riott and Liv Morgan are out here, dressed like the bottom and top halves of Beetlejuice, respectively.

    Also, getting bodied by women that actually deserve a push is probably the best use of Lana I can think of, until she winds up being "All Elite" in a few months.

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    Mace, Slapjack and T-Barr? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Let me get this straight. A bunch of wrestlers came out dressed like Bane, someone was eaten by a shark, and they're for some reason rerunning the Eddie is your father angle from 15 years ago?
    WWE at it's finest, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Mace, Slapjack and T-Barr? Wow.
    Missed a trick not naming T-Barr "K-Bar", because at least that's a kind of really badass knife.

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    This is saying something, but this was one of the most non-sensical episodes of WWE programming in quite some time. So, you have vandals messing around and the logical action by WWE was to offer them contracts? Now that they got deals, they magically changed their look? We doubled down on the grouping from last week with The Hurt Business tangling with them. THB has been booked as heels but they're standing up to heels. This is like Strowman/Fiend from Summerslam where the build made it seem like no one involved was likable...yet this is worse.

    Illustrating a messy situation, this was the competitors for the tag titles -
    Andrade & Garza - no longer a real team
    Rollins & Murphy - no longer a real team
    Carrillo & Mysterio - a team paired together
    How anyone can get excited for another round of Andrade & Garza is beyond me.

    It feels like they've booked themselves out of the goodwill they provided with the win Lee got at Payback with Orton. Lee has had seven matches since moving from NXT. Four of them have led to no contest or DQ finishes. That seems to lack productivity for someone you're trying to establish because you simply refuse to book different stuff.

    There seems to be a major disparity in terms of usable depth when looking at the respective women's divisions for Raw and Smackdown. Raw probably gets the benefit of the doubt with having the tag champs, but it still seems Raw is booked to give more attention to the women. That might be a case where the added hour does give them a little more room to work with. The match between Zelina and Mickie was a little awkward in parts but I guess it served its purpose.

    Not sure how its productive for Crews or THB (particularly them) for Crews to get a rollup win on Alexander, only to have Lashley wreck him and taking the heat back. That didn't really do anyone favors.

    I'm curious to see how much of an audible WWE had to do in regards to this Rollins/Mysterio stuff due to the fact that Mysterio is hurt. I mentioned last week that I had my suspicions that they could create more compelling stuff to keep this going because it has run its course at least once or twice over. The initial reaction is that this is pretty silly. The hook might be that Aaylah is the pivot point for a potential turn within the family. Be that as it may, it's still a relatively awkward angle to be pushing.

    It was hilarious how the match was done and the two women's tag teams were sizing each other up only to see Nia randomly grab Lana and drop her through a table again. Lol. Someone clearly didn't like Miro's promo from two weeks ago. Hard to rely on this all being coincidence now.

    This match with Asuka was a night and day difference for Peyton. The match a few weeks back with Billie looked rudimentary (at best), but Peyton looked much more comfortable. Certainly helped that Asuka was the dance partner. It probably says something that Peyton got some nearfalls and was actually protected with the finish.

    The "main event" for Raw Underground seemed pretty underwhelming. Dabba-Kato seemed like a guy they were looking to push through this platform but he got put in his place by Strowman.

    Just one more blatant thought on Retribution: if WWE does mention NXT as part of history to an extent, why the heck are we supposed to believe these stupid names? Lol. These names were right out of Prichard's box of gimmicks. Slapjack, T-Bar, Mace??? Get the hell out of here with that, haha. What a shock, another main event finishing without an actual clean finish. And an eye poke signaled the end? Sheesh.

    Raw is being burdened by having to rely heavily on Retribution, a very drawn-out Mysterio/Rollins story, Raw Underground, and a title feud that's a little played out. It's not even close in seeing which show between Raw and Smackdown is delivering right now.

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    I started reading the results and it said Retribution unmasked. So off i went over to youtube to watch the segment. 5 seconds in and 48 camera cuts I was no closer to knowing who was in the group.

    Also the WWE started they gave contracts to retribution. Retribution appears to be 20 members deep. Does that mean contracts to all 20 members?

    They also had the corniest names that should double for Lynx deodorant names - Mace, T-bar, Slap nuts. The names are weird because are they pissed about the names WWE gave them. Do they not want to be referred to as their "slave names"? They called me Dio Madden but I prefer to be named after something that makes you cry if sprayed with by the police. Shane Thorne nah my name is something that knock's you out from behind. My legal name nah I want to be named after what you hook a trailer to Tow-bar.

    Also their contract states they can do what ever they want? bull shit.

    I was excited about the line up and how they could be great....

    Also a shark attack and a paternity test rehash from 15 years ago. This raw was written by an AI bot.

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    Excellent RAW. Excited for the future of Retribution, good way to introduce new talent.

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    Are we sure this Retribution angle isn't part of some Make A Wish granting? 'Cuz I feel like it's being written by an 11 year old on progressively increasing pain medication.

    Donald, are you a dying child?

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    Bruce's box of gimmicks innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Are we sure this Retribution angle isn't part of some Make A Wish granting? 'Cuz I feel like it's being written by an 11 year old on progressively increasing pain medication.

    Donald, are you a dying child?
    No, just enjoy the shows. Didn't think anything negative about the show until I got on here actually

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    I am glad you're not a dying child, Donald. That would be sad. I'm also glad you're enjoying the shows. I'm happy that you're happy.

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    I had a wrenching feeling that they were going to feed Braun Strowman to Abbo Dabbo, and man what I relief I felt when that didn't happen. It's stupid enough they took the Universal title off of Strowman, him losing to generic big guy #432 would have been awful.

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    Mace, T-Bar, and Slapjack sound like three WCW Power Plant guys you'd see in 1998 on WCW Saturday Night, sent out to do a 4-minute six-man tag-team job to Meng, The Barbarian, and Hugh Morrus.

    Good Christ.

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    Asuka/Zelina rematch has been announced fro tonight.

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    Read a report that Retribution may have to quarantine as they were exposed to people with the COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Mace, T-Bar, and Slapjack sound like three WCW Power Plant guys you'd see in 1998 on WCW Saturday Night, sent out to do a 4-minute six-man tag-team job to Meng, The Barbarian, and Hugh Morrus.

    Good Christ.
    In reality though, a lot of names fucking suck. Triple H? That's the name of a guy who is in the company of men with names like Joh Cena, Ric Flair, Randy Orton. How about "CM PUNK"? What the fuck?

    Here's my favorite: Dusty Rhodes. Seriously? That's the best you can do? Sounds like a country song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Asuka/Zelina rematch has been announced fro tonight.
    They must hate ratings or are wanting to try and make up for last night. I don't know if anyone came out of that match wanting to see more, maybe they'll wrap it up lol. That was the only match last night that I just wasn't feeling. I understand it was moved to the main show because without they would've had nothing for the women aside from the "match" with Asuka and Bayley but damn I forgot Vega was not very good back in the day and she barely wrestles now so.....

    I think they can do better. Asuka is pretty good at getting the best out of people (see her matches with Carmella and the IIconics) but this was very not good lol

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    The Asuka/Zelina match last night was basically WWE's version of the Moxley/MJF match from All Out.

    Two eminently talented wrestlers, but with the heel unintentionally working babyface. Zelina is supposed to be the heel, but she's smaller, less muscular, and presented as way less of a physical threat than Asuka. An Asuka who built her reputation on a long undefeated streak and by killing people in 30-second squash matches. Zelina should have been cheating left and right last night to get any kind of an advantage. Instead, she got it over on Asuka in a straight wrestling match. By the end, I wanted to see Zelina pull off the upset. And then Asuka hooked her, she fought it like a babyface, and then she tapped out.

    Even weirder, they had her "go heel' on Asuka after the match. When she was already supposed to be a heel? So she's a double heel? Extra heel?

    Really, what Zelina needs, if she's going to be a single, is a crew. Tamina and Dana Axface aren't doing anything. Give those two to her as muscle and maybe they could do something with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    The Asuka/Zelina match last night was basically WWE's version of the Moxley/MJF match from All Out.

    Two eminently talented wrestlers, but with the heel unintentionally working babyface. Zelina is supposed to be the heel, but she's smaller, less muscular, and presented as way less of a physical threat than Asuka. An Asuka who built her reputation on a long undefeated streak and by killing people in 30-second squash matches. Zelina should have been cheating left and right last night to get any kind of an advantage. Instead, she got it over on Asuka in a straight wrestling match. By the end, I wanted to see Zelina pull off the upset. And then Asuka hooked her, she fought it like a babyface, and then she tapped out.

    Even weirder, they had her "go heel' on Asuka after the match. When she was already supposed to be a heel? So she's a double heel? Extra heel?

    Really, what Zelina needs, if she's going to be a single, is a crew. Tamina and Dana Axface aren't doing anything. Give those two to her as muscle and maybe they could do something with her.
    See the part about "eminently talented wrestler" is where they fucked up with Vega. She's not. WRESTLER is not something she is very talented at being. Awesome manager? Yes. But like with Lana, once that bell rings, terrible. This is what happened to Cameron. They had her challenging AJ Lee with about 5 matches under her belt in the WWE and it was terrible. Vega's had nothing but mixed tag matches, mostly against Lana. Terrible.

    I don't think they had her "go heel" on Asuka. They just had her remind Asuka next time don't put your fucking hand out when it's Vega on the other end. Seen this countless times.

    And GOD PLEASE FUCK NO we don't need Tamina and Dana doing anything but maybe going to AEW where they can get a chance to show us what Vince has been holding back from us all these years. Shit, I fully expect Tamina to pop up with Roman sooner than later anyway because apparently the only Samoan women who want anything to do with wrestling are her and The Rock's one legged kid,.

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    My guess is Samoa Joe answers the open challenge. He's gotta be cleared by now.

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    Nice to see Murphy finally get aggressive, can’t wait to see him send Rollins off for his Daddy vacation.

    I’m guessing Mahal v McIntyre tonight.

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    Aleisters new theme is terrible.

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    So is Aleister

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    Andrade was kind of hit or miss with his promo, but good on him for trying to carry a heavy promo on his own. That subsequently got snuffed out as Lee answered his challenge and had a glorified squash win.

    The awkwardness is still continuing with Aalyah and Murphy. Why? I'm not so sure.

    I don't get why Dana Brooke was moved to Raw prior to the actual draft. Seems to undercut the importance of something you're promoting. Also seems odd to be doing it with Dana Brooke. Good shoutout by Mandy to have an outfit like Trish Stratus back in the day.

    At least they got around to allowing Black to have an explanation as to why he turned on Owens. Just about 3-4 weeks, at best, too late. I guess because he's firmly a heel now he had to get a different theme. Owens and Black clearly work really well together but it's being muddied up by stupid booking.

    Roode and McIntyre had a pretty solid main event, especially considering it was a freezing cold match. I doubt it actually amounts to much for Roode but it was there to show McIntyre was resilient and had heart as a champion. The stuff with Orton was...overproduced. It had its slyness and charm to it, but it was still a rehash.

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    I'm not sure why we should give a damn about a draft when folks move from show to show all the time with little or no explanation.

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    I had to look it up since I couldn't remember how long they've been going. The Rollins/Mysterio feud starting back on May 11th when Seth messed up Rey's eye. This has going on almost 5 months with no sign of stopping.

    The MVP/Crews feud started back on June 15th, so that's been going on 3 and a half months with no sign of stopping.

    WWE's just running these storylines into the ground.

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    I’ve been apathetic with Lashley and Benjamin for a long time but adding MVP as their mouth piece and creating The Hurt Business has been a huge boon to their careers.

    Where the fuck is this Rollins/Mysterio family feud going? Dominik has some legit potential, Seth has made the kid looking like a million bucks by working with him. Does one of Dom/Rey eventually “injure” Seth so he can take some time off when Becky has their kid? Where does Dom go, that isn’t considered a demotion? Is Aalyah also eventually going to get into the wrestling business?

    So it’s going to be Orton v McIntrye III at the “Hell in a Cell” pay-per-view, right? Orton goes over finally, right?

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    Roode's return was kinda flat because you knew there was no way he was going to win.

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