Vote Cout:
1-Kangus (Psycho)
Vote Cout:
1-Kangus (Psycho)
Badger and Stan were tied by my count. It's also possible Badger's vote for Stan didn't count because it was technically past the deadline.Originally Posted by wardy
I unvoted because I was paranoid about the fact that no one seemed to be countering the Badger vote. It wasn't really his last post like it was for Pablo. But I also felt he seemed very casual and unconcerned, which more often comes from a town perspective in my experience.
But kangus has been blocked twice with no kill from scum, so he's clearly Evan.
I'll admit, I feel like a fool for softening on Badger and I'm mad at myself for it. But at least the lynch went through.
So far, I feel like JP looks really good for choosing to go after Badger when he was set up to go for Stan.
Couldn't he still be Gary?
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kangus that is.
I also feel more confident that Pablo was indeed framed, which doesn't rule him out from being scum completely. I guess the question is whether scum would choose to use that ability to make scum look good or actually set someone up.
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kangus was roleblocked when Gary was active. When someone is roleblocked, that rules them out from being any other role that was active the same night.
But either way, he's deffo scum.
I posted that Badger's vote was in fact too late.
So we should probably spend our energy trying to find out who the last scum and the neutral would be.
The neutral, unfortunately, could be anyone.
I wish Vera could get her shit together, though.
Fuck aye I totally forgot Gary was active.
I'm keeping my vote on kangus, but make sure we don't hammer this before we've had a good chunk of discussion.
To everyone, do we think Badger was a lost cause and would have had a partner in JP or CWE lynch him for cred? I don't feel that way at all, but I'd like to hear other opinions.
I just noticed our neutral went for two of the quietest posters in the thread. Could that be part of the role?
I think it's personal choice. He's probably trying to find the important roles as well as seeking out scum who would be flying under the radar.
I'm curious who Robin tried to target. Normally hiders or commuters are shown taking an action, but perhaps Knee has opted have their action be hidden. Or someone has a passive ability.
Other than JP not being Vera and kangus all but confirmed killer, not a lot of new info from this phase.
Oh, and in case there was any doubt, Jarrod is damn near confirmed town considering both Mazer and Badger were trying to scapegoat him.
Oh, that is a night. That SK kill is chef's kiss worthy. Awful for scum, awful for the SK, absolutely perfect for town. *mwah*
With kangus, he can only be one scum, but a fair few town roles are still open to him. I'm (unsurprisingly, narcissistically) thinking Stan's the safer lynch following the last phase, but I'm open to persuasion.
JP.
No scum kill. Two nights in a row.
kangus was blocked both of those nights.
Are you telling me scum just has no kill?
Like Stan could very well be scum here, too, but we have kangus dead to rights. Including a pending cop investigation.
It's possible we're dealing with a cannoneer, I'll give you that. But the odds are so slim.
Badger or Mazer could've been the killer I suppose.
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If there was only one.
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Or two.
Usually, mafia don't outright lose their kill. It gets shifted to someone else. And if Mazer had the kill, he still would have pulled it off before he was killed.
Exactly.
If I see him drop his vote, mine goes to.
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*too
The shame.
I'm just surprised that even without the cop investigation, you'd consider Stan the safer option. There's no info on him, just behavior. There's pretty damning info on kangus.
No mafia kill one night. Ok maybe it’s alternating with the SK. No mafia kill two nights and the SK had a kill both times?
Vote kangus
I mean yes I guess we wait for the cops info. Unless he’s a godfather which considering who we have left is likely.
Harry is going to be a problem though.
Resume
Last edited by Kneeneighbor; February 14th, 2020 at 12:52 PM.
didn’t see knees post
Vote kangus.
This is definitely the way to go for now.
Curious why Pablo didn't die. Does this mean he wasn't poisoned?
Sorry Knee just read your message.
Game is back on.
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Vote Cout:
3-Kangus (Psycho, Pabs, Jarrod)
I’ll re post what I had in there
I forgot that we had two red scum left. I thought we were down to one red scum and the yellow scum. So maybe the cop can tell us something.
Also no need to rush through with any other votes I think. Let’s try and suss things out before the next phase.
I'm pretty sure he was framed. So he could be dirty, but the cop investigation won't really clear that up unless he got a town result.
You know what, I think it's possible they don't.
We have to lynch every day phase, no choice in it. We also have an SK. Presuming scum do have a kill, that would mean 3 dead per phase, barring a successful rb. That seems high to me. Scum are large too, plus 25%. So, say each day every forced lynch and kill hit town, that means the game would be done after 3 night phases. Even if town hit one scum in that time, it would still only be 3 night phases.
And that is that.
Still holding off on voting though, we got a day to talk.
For me it was how he was like. “Oh well. Come up to the wrestling forum and vote” as Psycho said that was such a non defense it almost became a defense. To me I decided that at the worst he wasn’t an important town so that’s why I didn’t switch it to Stan. Stan wouldn’t have had enough time to give a true defense. So end of the day I left the votes as they were on Badger. Glad I decided against putting the vote on Stan as that could have made things 50/50.
It would be beneficial to review Badger's and Mazer's posts, as well as those who interacted with them. I aim to do a bit of this myself when I get the chance, but I'm headed to work soon so not sure how much time I'll get until much later.
Beautiful day and night.
Badger's post seemed like town resigned to dying. Thank God I was asleep before work or I would have unvoted as well.
Here are all of Mazer's posts. The last two are in reverse order for some reason
Not much to gain from Mazer's posts alone, it seems. At best he might have been defending virm and was possibly cool with lynching Pablo? If the plan was to frame him to make him look good, it would be kind of silly to waste your breath insinuating he's a good lynch. But it's such a light mention that I don't think we can glean too much from it.
Not enough to vote Virm, but he's probably going to be mostly AWOL this game, so I think he should either be the cop or the block target next.
Badger's posts Part 1
And after I helped you guys out last game as well by being Good News Brown. So disappointing.
Badger's Posts Part 2
It's funny when you and I reach the same conclusion for different reasons. I think Virm is a strong option for the SK.
Definitely cop choice #1 tonight for me. Maybe block too?
Part 3
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And his last two
Oh and today is obviously a Kangus lynch day. But we loads of time for discussion.
I was actually thinking he could be the SK as well. Would explain why he's so concerned about math.
I'm a bit torn on Stan. Badger was quick to join the "interesting indeed" train about him, and Badger was Stan's first target on D1. The circumstances make these pretty common scenarios for scum, but it's not really indicative either way.
I'm town and I honestly messed up yesterday, probably from skimming on my phone.
What happens on D1 if the Badger train takes off?
And Kangus seemed VERY eager to get me lynched.
Well, the alternative is that since Badger was already the lynch leader, if scum vote you and you flip red, both Badger and kangus look good. Whereas with Badger being lynched, there's still ambiguity as to your alignment.
Aye but to me it was just a bit [I] too[/] defeatest.
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EBWOP
That was supposed to be italics lol.
BTW
Vote kangus
Vote Cout:
4-Kangus (Psycho, Pabs, Jarrod, wardy)
Sorry for being a bit awol, have been on a work trip Wed then working yesterday aaaaaaaaand today aaaaaaaand I'm working tomorrow as well!
I totally missed the Error thing on my phone, what a dickhead.
I'll try and be more active but even after reading through I dont really know much. I was surprised a bit badger was mafia.. but then.. I'm awful at this game aren't I.
It's probably still JP.
Unvote
Everyone else stay on kangus, but with 4 votes, that's enough for scum to pile on and rush the phase to an end. I'll hop back on later.
I may try to vote other people just to see what happens.
This post makes me feel like Badger was actually trying to brush off the vote. Knowing that he did seem to actually be a bit worried about dipping his toe in anywhere, I'm not sure he would have been ready to fake this kind of reaction. Or if nothing else, I would imagine how defense would be much more brief and probably more banter-like to match Stan's tone.
He waffles on JP and Pablo. Especially JP. He seems to be more willing to let Pablo be painted as scum. If either of them are partners, I'd say it's more likely JP from this.
The tone of the second paragraph, though, makes me feel more comfortable calling Grim town(or neutral at worst).
Points in favor of wardy here. Feels like Badger was trying to fish for a potential target, hoping people might jump on the wardy suspicion.
That being said, there is a part of me that felt like wardy was trying to distract from kangus at the beginning of this phase. I got the same tone from JP with him being more interested in Stan, but considering he would know that kangus would come up dirty from the cop investigation, I'm not sure he'd put himself out there by trying to sway the vote away. I feel he's be more likely to plop a vote down quick.
By saying that you'll hop back on later though wouldn't scum not react to anything you vote now? Is it more to hunt for the neutral? Just curious as to how your brain works playing this game. It crazy how you and some of the others Sherlock Holmes this shit.
It might be for naught for that exact reason. But the idea is that if someone else happens to pile up votes, we could see some interesting developments where someone starts acting different because they're nervous, or maybe people being happy to hop on to someone other than kangus. Plus, if we catch someone, we could always lynch them and block kangus again, locking scum from doing another kill and potentially taking out their partner or Harry.
I don't really expect much from it, though, so it's more just passing time and seeing if anything shakes out.
Jarrod, something that helps me is trying to imagine the motivation behind every post. Would scum benefit from saying what they did? Does it sound forced or insincere?
Then when people start making actions like voting, people are forced to take action, choose a side and have an opinion on the matter. And you further elaborate why someone would do that, whether the timing was too convenient, whether someone would put theirselves out there like that.
Something that helps me is tequilla.
Bottoms up...
Makes me wonder if we should take a shot at someone we suspect is SK.
I had definitely pondered the same thing, because if we kill kangus, we won't have a guaranteed kill block the following night phase.
^this.
Vote Cout:
3-Kangus (Pabs, Jarrod, wardy)
2. Psycho666Soldier
3. CWE
5. Grim
7. Stan
8. HFR
9. Wardy
10. JP
11. Pabs
12. Virm
14. Jarrod1983
15. Kangus
These are the remaining players. kangus is scum. I believe Jarrod, Grim, and CWE are not scum. Doesn't rule any of them out from being Harry other than maybe Jarrod.
That leaves JP, Stan, HFR, wardy, Pablo and virm. I still have a paranoia about JP, but I feel pretty good about him being non-scum. Stan, wardy and Pablo have town points that makes me hesitate to consider them red.
HFR and virm have flew completely under the radar, which makes for a good chance of being neutral or scum. But really, any of the above pool has neutral equity.
As far as hunting the remaining scum, I think my priority list, in order, goes something like this:
HFR
virm
Pablo
wardy
JP
Let's see
Vote HFR
I don't think JP is the SK because I would be dead.
Virm, HFR, Wardy. My top 3.
With Wardy being a very distant third.
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Again, I'll back Psychi
Vote HFR
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EBWOP
Psycho
Great advice. Thanks Psycho.
Also great advice.
The last time I got good and drunk on tequilla was in Mexico on my honeymoon. Had a week at a resort with everything included. Plenty of tequilla in the pool bar. My wife and I had our first argument as a married couple because we both got blasted on the stuff.
The next day we scaled a Mayan ruin hungover. It was fucking hot and we didn't bring much spare cash for the carts that people pushed to and from the ruins. It was like 2 miles to them scaling the thing which was pretty high on the steps that just seemed to want to crumple under your feet. Then 2 miles back. Then back to pool bar.
It is a bold strategy to keep alive the red mafia killer. Especially since we know we've taken out their "stalker". As long as kangus stays blocked maybe the red scum wont get any kills.
I'd feel a lot better about this plan though if we weren't forced to lynch. Because we're forced to lynch we need to have a pretty good read on a second, because we don't want to kill a strong town role. Or even worse accidentally kill the blocker.
That's a great point.
Unvote
Let me think about this
Well hello everyone! Quite the interesting situation we have here. I'm actually very harmless. You know, I'm not a killer in any capacity. That is one hundred percent the truth.
Smart minds and all that jazz, eh? Even if I was a bit sus on you jumping on Badger, but mostly because I got no decent read off his lynch or defense at all.
Will read more when the band in my skull stops smashing things.
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Obviously. There is no killer in this game, just the "we want to shut down your bar"er.
We still have plenty of time. I don't see why we can't at least apply a little pressure.
Vote HFR
He's not even his usual self which is concerning.
Robin probably tried to target whoever Vera is. Since she is calling looking for her husband, it would make sense to me that she isn't here.
This makes sense to me.
Also, unrelated, bit I just got accepted to one of the colleges I applied to with a $5000 per year scholarship! I just had to share it with someone.
Congrats bro.
Let me say this I am very sweet but not worth anyones time.
We can play the long game and not vote for anyone during the day. This would theoretically force mafia out. If kangus is the killer and we keep blocking him there is nothing they can do while we investigate.
I know we cant vote no lynch but what if we just dont vote? I saw someone say we had to lynch
Is this a posted rule I didnt see?
I hate this post. My scum-dar is going off.
Erm, ok, so.. I'm not the neutral or the SK. Though you'd expect me to say that.. but genuinely not.
I've not played it smart so far as I've been busy and I'm pretty incapable of being smart but I've definitely been at work a lot recently (hence why I'm up pre-6am today!). I guess I can't prove anything as anything I know you guys will already know as you can read just like me. So I have no benefit to offer I guess. Well.. anyway.
So it's not me, though I admit I'm fairly useless currently but... that's just normal isn't it?
But lynching me will tell you nothing, really, except which town I was.
Not neutral or SK = not mafia or SK .. brain fart. I'm too tired.
The other thing is Mafia probably know who I am.... ironically.. so have a vested interesting in removing me in the day phase. So watch my train, I guess.
I'd be pretty happy with clearing Grim and Jarrod based on Badger's second paragraph there.
This paragraph...
Jarrod is 100% town. He's the only player I have nailed down besides myself. I THINK I know who Psycho is.
All thanks to the power of Patron.
If Badger was good at mafia, I would say he's done an excellent job of throwing shade in our direction knowing he could well be lynched in an attempt to make us look clean. The smart thing to do as mafia is be suspicious of everyone, including your own team.
Big if though.
Based on their reactions to accusations, virm is now #1 on my list before HFR. Advocating for "how about we all unvote" is up there with the dumbest things I have ever seen in a mafia game. We have had tied votes (both nights?) already and looks like Knee has gone with randomised lynching so if everyone ends on zero votes, it stands to reason that the pool is just everyone to be randomly lynched. And not just that, if we all have a gentleman's agreement to not vote, all it takes is kangus to vote with 3 seconds left in the phase to get a guaranteed town dead.
Unvote
Vote virm
Unvote
Vote Virm
I'm good with this. That response was pretty whack, whereas I actually feel pretty good about HFR's responses.
Vote Virm
What they said...
And since we are not killing known scum, Cliff, pay your buddy Kangus another visit tonight please.
The only downside I can see of not lynching scum is that if they successfully block or kill Cliff, we might give them a freebie.
No fuck off Cliff, leave me alone! I have rights you know. Also, to reiterate the point I made earlier, I am definitely not a killer. Ol' kangus wouldn't dream of hurting anyone.
Well damn another townie going to die. Luckily town won't lose anything of huge importance other than a loyal paying customer.
Since I am probably gonna get kicked out of the bar I might as well get ready to head to Gary's and set up shop there but might as well throw a vote down
vote psycho
If you don't trust me you can look at me during the night phase.
It's a waste of your time though, town through and through.
Vote Count:
3-Kangus- Pabs, Jarrod, Wardy
3-Virm- Grim, Psycho, CWE
1-Psycho- Virm
A shot to get the SK while blocking the practically confirmed scum that hasn't had a kill yet (though, as I explained earlier, I'm not sold that scum have a kill). I'm down with that.
Vote: Virm
Unvote
Vote kangus
Some fucking morons in here.
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