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    Welcome to a new decade of NFL football. Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes led the Chiefs to their first championship in 50 years and seem poised for more. I ask you, how many titles will Mahomes win before his career is over?

    Key Dates
    February 24 - March 2: NFL Scouting Combine, Indianapolis IN.
    February 25 - March 10: Window for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
    March 16: Legal Tampering Period begins.
    March 18: Free Agency and new league year begins.
    April 23-25: NFL Draft, Las Vegas NV.
    July 15: Deadline to sign Franchise Players to a multiyear contract.
    August 6: Start of preseason, Canton OH.
    August 8: Hall of Fame Induction, Canton OH.
    September 10: Regular Season Opener.
    January 9, 2021: Playoffs begin.
    February 7, 2021: Super Bowl LV, Tampa FL.

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    I'm pretty high on his chances, as most people are at this point. He's only 24 and already has his first. But it's very hard to win them even when you have an offense so stacked. Last year they lost in OT in the conference title game, this year they were down 10 in the 4th of the SB and could have easily lost (even though they are clearly well equipped for comebacks). The point being, when you get to the final four it's pretty much always a coin flip in those last 2 games.

    I say he will end his career with 3. Maybe he gets one more with this core of Kelce/Hill and one more later on. Getting to 4 is tough.

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    I am going to stay on the low side, be bold and say 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I am going to stay on the low side, be bold and say 1.
    are you worried that he's usurped Rodgers as the "most talented" QB of all time?

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    Not at all. I don't get all wrapped up in that stuff. I am taking the same approach I did with Tiger. When all my friends were talking about how he would break Jack's record I took the under. He has a supremely talented offensive group. That group is about to break up and Mahomes is about to get a boat load of cash, (and take up a lot of cap).

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    Let's rewind a quick sec. Rodgers wins SB in 2010. Goes 15-1 and wins MVP in 2011. Everyone anoints him (and GB) the new king(s) and crowns the Packers as the next dynasty.

    I think there's definitely a good shot Mahomes wins AT LEAST another one before it's all said and done but I'm gonna try my best to enjoy the show without setting expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post


    Welcome to a new decade of NFL football. Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes led the Chiefs to their first championship in 50 years and seem poised for more. I ask you, how many titles will Mahomes win before his career is over?

    Key Dates
    February 24 - March 2: NFL Scouting Combine, Indianapolis IN.
    February 25 - March 10: Window for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
    March 16: Legal Tampering Period begins.
    March 18: Free Agency and new league year begins.
    April 23-25: NFL Draft, Las Vegas NV.
    July 15: Deadline to sign Franchise Players to a multiyear contract.
    August 6: Start of preseason, Canton OH.
    August 8: Hall of Fame Induction, Canton OH.
    September 10: Regular Season Opener.
    January 9, 2021: Playoffs begin.
    February 7, 2021: Super Bowl LV, Tampa FL.
    Hmmmm. I say Mahomes will get one more champyachaw before it's all said and done.

    This team feels like it can win one more before free agency breaks it up and Andy dies or retires. After that? Man it's really hard to qb to more than 2 of these things.

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    Nobody other than Brady has won more than two since Aikman, right? So I think it'd take a brave man to go for three or more. It's a league of parity, let's see how the Chiefs adapt to him being the highest paid player in history rather than on his rookie contract. I'll lean with 2 as I think they keep the core of this team together temporarily and they either repeat or win it in the 2021 season, but after that I think that division gets better and they go into the role of every other team other than the Pats and Browns - they'll get to the Playoffs sometimes, might make a Super Bowl or two, but ultimately won't become a dynasty.

    For this year, my lean is the Ravens. Quarterback in a rookie contract, skill players still young and improving. They got shown up against the Titans, but these Playoff failures will hold them in good stead in the future. Ironically I don't think they storm to a Conference Championship or anything, probably actually face adversity in the regular season and come in with all the lessons under their belt. Beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

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    Iím calling Tua for Miami.

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    Detroit trades down and picks three tight ends for its first picks in the NFL draft.

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    I quite enjoyed the second half of the superbowl, And while I will never fully understand the rules I will at least be watching some games next season, So with that said I need a team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Detroit trades down and picks three tight ends for its first picks in the NFL draft.
    If they don't take Okudah they are crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    Nobody other than Brady has won more than two since Aikman, right? So I think it'd take a brave man to go for three or more. It's a league of parity, let's see how the Chiefs adapt to him being the highest paid player in history rather than on his rookie contract. I'll lean with 2 as I think they keep the core of this team together temporarily and they either repeat or win it in the 2021 season, but after that I think that division gets better and they go into the role of every other team other than the Pats and Browns - they'll get to the Playoffs sometimes, might make a Super Bowl or two, but ultimately won't become a dynasty.

    For this year, my lean is the Ravens. Quarterback in a rookie contract, skill players still young and improving. They got shown up against the Titans, but these Playoff failures will hold them in good stead in the future. Ironically I don't think they storm to a Conference Championship or anything, probably actually face adversity in the regular season and come in with all the lessons under their belt. Beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl.
    Ill go the exact other way.

    Team that takes the biggest step back next season? The Ravens.

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    What if Tua falls to GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    What if Tua falls to GB
    I think the Colts would take him well before he fell to GB. Rumor has it they’re considering moving up to draft a QB. Not sure if they’ll move up far enough to take Tua though.

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    If Miami doesn't take him there would have to be some serious medical concerns. Which he will then overcome and set records. It's the Miami way.

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    My thought is that the Dolphins trade down from 5th for the team that takes Tua. I think Fins go best player available for their three picks and go QB next year. Maybe trade out of the first round too with their 26, for another first rounder next year. Although the Brady situation could change that. If Brady leaves and the Pats don't take a QB via free agency or trade, they'll attack the draft and go for key skill positions in the hope of being in the mix for the division straight away. Brees situation too, could see the Buccs being aggressive if he retires as I don't think Bridgewater or Hill win them big games. There's loads of teams that might need a QB at this rate - Big Ben, Wentz and Rodgers could do with more able deputies given the injury history, the Lions and Panthers will be monitoring the health of Stafford and Newton. Titans, Chargers, Patriots, Saints and Buccs have their starters entering free agency, and the Colts, Jags, Raiders and Bears could be looking for upgrades. Throw in the Dolphins and Bengals, the latter who will definitely take Burrow, and half the league could be shopping. I think most of the teams stay as is (Pats, Titans, Bears, Lions, Panthers, Saints, Eagles, Steelers, Packers, Jags and Raiders maybe take a flier on a late rounder or take a Rosen or Mariotta in free agency), but it'll be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    If Miami doesn't take him there would have to be some serious medical concerns. Which he will then overcome and set records. It's the Miami way.
    Hahaha yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    My thought is that the Dolphins trade down from 5th for the team that takes Tua. I think Fins go best player available for their three picks and go QB next year. Maybe trade out of the first round too with their 26, for another first rounder next year. Although the Brady situation could change that. If Brady leaves and the Pats don't take a QB via free agency or trade, they'll attack the draft and go for key skill positions in the hope of being in the mix for the division straight away. Brees situation too, could see the Buccs being aggressive if he retires as I don't think Bridgewater or Hill win them big games. There's loads of teams that might need a QB at this rate - Big Ben, Wentz and Rodgers could do with more able deputies given the injury history, the Lions and Panthers will be monitoring the health of Stafford and Newton. Titans, Chargers, Patriots, Saints and Buccs have their starters entering free agency, and the Colts, Jags, Raiders and Bears could be looking for upgrades. Throw in the Dolphins and Bengals, the latter who will definitely take Burrow, and half the league could be shopping. I think most of the teams stay as is (Pats, Titans, Bears, Lions, Panthers, Saints, Eagles, Steelers, Packers, Jags and Raiders maybe take a flier on a late rounder or take a Rosen or Mariotta in free agency), but it'll be interesting.
    Nah we ainít trading down with anyone, especially knowing theyíll take Tua. If anything weíre trading up, rumours looking to do that with Redskins.

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    Titans will coach defense via committee with no DC after Dean Pees retirement. Not so big on that idea.

    Also not on the sign Henry to an huge contract bandwagon. It's just bad business with rbs.

    It's cruel but just double franchise tag him the next couple seasons and by then the wheels will be off more than likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    My thought is that the Dolphins trade down from 5th for the team that takes Tua. I think Fins go best player available for their three picks and go QB next year. Maybe trade out of the first round too with their 26, for another first rounder next year. Although the Brady situation could change that. If Brady leaves and the Pats don't take a QB via free agency or trade, they'll attack the draft and go for key skill positions in the hope of being in the mix for the division straight away. Brees situation too, could see the Buccs being aggressive if he retires as I don't think Bridgewater or Hill win them big games. There's loads of teams that might need a QB at this rate - Big Ben, Wentz and Rodgers could do with more able deputies given the injury history, the Lions and Panthers will be monitoring the health of Stafford and Newton. Titans, Chargers, Patriots, Saints and Buccs have their starters entering free agency, and the Colts, Jags, Raiders and Bears could be looking for upgrades. Throw in the Dolphins and Bengals, the latter who will definitely take Burrow, and half the league could be shopping. I think most of the teams stay as is (Pats, Titans, Bears, Lions, Panthers, Saints, Eagles, Steelers, Packers, Jags and Raiders maybe take a flier on a late rounder or take a Rosen or Mariotta in free agency), but it'll be interesting.

    Only way I see the Dolphins trading out of Tua to get a QB next year is for Lawrence, and the Dolphins arenít gonna be bad enough to be the top pick next year. Take Tua, sit him behind Fitzpatrick, move Rosen either by trade or just cut him (though I honestly donít know his cap hit) and let next year play out.

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    If they trade down for a team looking to take Tua (say if the Colts give up a 2nd and next years first), it's not out of the realms of possibility for that pick to be quite high as he's likely a QB that sits behind a vet. That could then give them the capital to get Lawrence next year. If they can get 2 firsts or a first and a second for that five pick, I'd consider it good business. I think they go best on the board as they're short in a lot of areas, and go rookie QB when they've got the skill players to make a playoff run while he's in the rookie contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    If they trade down for a team looking to take Tua (say if the Colts give up a 2nd and next years first), it's not out of the realms of possibility for that pick to be quite high as he's likely a QB that sits behind a vet. That could then give them the capital to get Lawrence next year. If they can get 2 firsts or a first and a second for that five pick, I'd consider it good business. I think they go best on the board as they're short in a lot of areas, and go rookie QB when they've got the skill players to make a playoff run while he's in the rookie contract.
    I would be shocked if anyone traded the 1st pick next year and didnt take Larwernce.

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    Who do we see as being terrible next year to get him? He's definitely a franchise QB and should go first, but most of the bad teams from this year either underachieved, are in win now territory and will pursue a QB this year (Chargers, Panthers possibly) or are already in a rebuilding project with a young QB or a guy signed to a big contract recently. Would be funny if the Cards bombed and they took a QB for the 3rd time in 4 years. Or the Browns.

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    My point is if you end up in that spot then your "franchise QB" you already have isn't actually a franchise QB. If the Browns end up there they have to cut bait on Baker. Same thing with teams like the Giants. You cannot stick with Daniel Jones ig Trevor Lawrence is staring you in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Only way I see the Dolphins trading out of Tua to get a QB next year is for Lawrence, and the Dolphins arenít gonna be bad enough to be the top pick next year. Take Tua, sit him behind Fitzpatrick, move Rosen either by trade or just cut him (though I honestly donít know his cap hit) and let next year play out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I would be shocked if anyone traded the 1st pick next year and didnt take Larwernce.
    The only point I'd make in contrast to these stances is that you just never know. I think many thought Cincinnati wasn't going to be good this season and they just had the floor ripped out from under them and went straight to the bottom. Tanking, to an extent, is pretty damn hard in the NFL and one-off injuries (especially at the QB position) really derail a team.

    Like let's say....Buffalo, Houston, Dallas, Seattle are four examples. Let's say one of them suffered an injury at the QB position that crippled them for the year and they bottomed out and got the first pick. I doubt they'd take Lawrence. I'm sure there's other scenarios (not many) but those were the first four that came to mind.

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    Or if they trade down to the Colts or Buccs for their 2021 first - scenario, start the season with Brissett (or Winston), go 0-4. Tua comes in and wins 3 on the bounce but breaks a couple of fingers, misses a month and they sit him at 3-9, leading to a 3 or 4 win season and top pick, but enough tape to run with Tua going forward. Possibilities are plentiful. Niners went from #2 pick to #31 pick in a year. League of parity. A lot of the teams that sucked last year are as good as the fringe playoff teams. Look at the Lions early last year, and the Panthers. The bottom just fell out. Sport is weird man, look at the Titans - if they don't get those Tannehill comebacks when they were 2-4, do they kick on? If they're 3-6 going into that Chiefs game, the confidence probably isn't there to nick it late. All of a sudden you're swapping between Tannehill and Marcus the rest of the season (like the Jags or Steelers), you finish 5-11 and are picking early.

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    I would argue that Dallas 100% should take Lawerence and dump Dak. Dak wants $40 million. F that.

    I could argue that with Buffalo Allen is not special. Hes solid. Soon he needs to get paid. Lawrence gives you another 5 years of rookie contract QB. You do not pass on a generational QB to keep Josh Allen.

    Houston has enough talent that even with a back up QB they wont pick #1.

    Seattle I do not know enough on Wilson's contract but at 31 years he is getting up their in age. I also think they wouldn't finish with the 1st pick. Cincinnati was bad from the start. But even losing a top QB doesnt mean #1 pick. Shit look at Green Bay a few years ago, Pittsburgh this year.

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    Let me put it this way: how many teams would not take Larwence if they ended up with the first pick?

    Kansas City
    Baltimore
    San Francisco ???
    Seattle (I will concede this one)
    Arizona

    Anyone else?

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    It's hard to say without seeing how a team ends up with the #1 pick, and what they do in terms of contracts in the next year. The Rams, for example, surely wouldn't consider it based on Goff's contract being difficult to get off the books. But in terms of talent, and knowing the top tier QB's are really young, 35+ or one Russell Wilson. I think every team who has an older starter would draft him and sit him for a year if possible. The teams with younger QB's, not do sure. If teams tank because of Baker, Darnold or Allen, they probably move on. If those teams struggle due to injury, they probably stick with what they've got and give it another year given they were top 10 picks.

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    They would all do the same thing the Cardinals did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    They would all do the same thing the Cardinals did.
    I may be wrong but that doesn't exactly check out to what FB suggested. He referenced three QBs later in the post that have shown more potential than Rosen ever did with Arizona. Granted, that offense was trash but he didn't really look like a QB that was going to amount to much. You can understand the argument of what the Cardinals did based on what Rosen did.

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    If you say "I am going to pass on Lawrence because I have Daniel Jones" that is a clown move.

    What young QBs and teams are we adding to that list above?

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    For the record Goff can be cut or traded after next seasons and its only $15 mil cap hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    If you say "I am going to pass on Lawrence because I have Daniel Jones" that is a clown move.

    What young QBs and teams are we adding to that list above?
    Depends on the cut-off for "young"...?

    Regardless of the cut-off, you're probably at 25 percent of the league that would be in a mix of unequivocally say they're passing or would believe they're not interested for the potential headache.
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    Generational QB but not worth the headache. Got it.

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    Good talk, lol.

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    I have 5 teams on my list that wouldnt take him. You havent added any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I have 5 teams on my list that wouldnt take him. You havent added any.
    And you didn't answer my question so I can help provide you with what you need.

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    You can add any Team in the NFL you want.

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    Well, I'll just go with young since that's the basis of the conversation point.

    I'll add your five, add Houston, add Dallas, add the three FB mentioned, add the Eagles for starters. The thing is, you're thinking like you think and that's fine but I don't think that's exactly how NFL teams think (which is what I'm taking into account). Specifically with FB's examples, those aren't exactly great organizations but have tried to show a commitment to improving. They still may be flawed but confirmation bias could be a situation that clouds their overall judgement. They picked their guy and they have to feel they're right. Doesn't mean they're right, but that's a situation that runs rampant in the NFL quite often.

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    Houston I agree.

    Dallas I 100% disagree. They dont want to give Dak a boat load of money. Now if they sign him this offseason to a huge contract that change.

    Eagles I disagree but can see the argument. Wentz hasnt shown me enough but its hard to get out of his contract till after 2022.

    I get what you are saying with the NFL way of thinking but I think its a giant mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Houston I agree.

    Dallas I 100% disagree. They dont want to give Dak a boat load of money. Now if they sign him this offseason to a huge contract that change.

    Eagles I disagree but can see the argument. Wentz hasnt shown me enough but its hard to get out of his contract till after 2022.

    I get what you are saying with the NFL way of thinking but I think its a giant mistake.
    I think the jury is still out on Dak but I'm inclined to think he's more in the worth it category versus not being worth it. I just don't think they want to be the team that has to set the market. They're also negotiating with hubris though because they're trying to market that being the QB of the Cowboys allows you ventures once your career is over. While true, that's not something that should really be a selling point when it's time for a contract (his first big one).

    The Eagles one is entirely due to them already paying Wentz.

    I agree that the general conservative approach to the NFL is a mistake, but that's why I baked it into your assessment and thinking a good chunk of teams would pass on Lawrence. It's not entirely based off talent.

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    I think Dallas would if they bombed, just based on Dak's salary expectations after the 2020 season. That's a team with too much talent to finish bottom regardless of if Dak got injured. In the weakest division in the league, they should at least go 3-3. Bengals, Browns, Cardinals, Falcons too. If they finished last with that D (surely better this year) and Zeke at RB, then Dak ain't going to turn them into Super Bowl challengers from that, though Lawrence could. I do think the Texans, if they lost Watson for the majority of the year, could theoretically tank. It's already happened once. Watt is held together with skipping rope and they're not strong at running back. But with Watson healthy, they're a fringe contender. They wouldn't draft Lawrence and would surely draft edge rusher #1, or trade down (my original point) if somebody wanted Lawrence and they weren't falling behind edge needy teams.

    Allen, Mayfield and Darnold, if they don't improve, would be in the Trubisky situation right now, which is to say they'd get another year most likely, sparing absolutely catastrophic performances. To your point, in fairness, I think all 3 would look to upgrade if the stats didn't make up for the results. If they win less than 6 games and the INT's outweigh the TD's, sure. Back to my initial point, my scenario entailed a team trading their first next year for a pick this year, and finishing with the worst record too. I don't think that's out of the realms, as they'd be trading up for Tua, yet might sit him behind a veteran to start the season. Then you end up with what very nearly happened to the Redskins. Do you think they'd have gone Burrow if they hadn't beaten the Dolphins and ended up #1? They run with Haskins, who showed late promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    If they trade down for a team looking to take Tua (say if the Colts give up a 2nd and next years first), it's not out of the realms of possibility for that pick to be quite high as he's likely a QB that sits behind a vet. That could then give them the capital to get Lawrence next year. If they can get 2 firsts or a first and a second for that five pick, I'd consider it good business. I think they go best on the board as they're short in a lot of areas, and go rookie QB when they've got the skill players to make a playoff run while he's in the rookie contract.
    Good points but all said and done, why wouldn’t a team looking for that willing to do that just go all out for Lawrence anyways next year.

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    Ah my bad just seen the posts raised about it.

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    Just read Tua’s hip is completely healed and will be doing football stuff in a month. It’s all set in place for us, it’s just meant to be.

    On another note about Lawrence, you’ve got to think Jags, Colts, Bucs & Panthers will be shit next season so will be favourites to get him.

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    Despite all of his immense talent, I would feel so uncomfortable if my team drafted Tua..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Just read Tua’s hip is completely healed and will be doing football stuff in a month. It’s all set in place for us, it’s just meant to be.

    On another note about Lawrence, you’ve got to think Jags, Colts, Bucs & Panthers will be shit next season so will be favourites to get him.
    Any good news for Tua that is good news is, in some form or fashion, good news for the Lions.

    I'm not so sure about the assessment about the Colts and Bucs but the other two could be in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Despite all of his immense talent, I would feel so uncomfortable if my team drafted Tua..
    That's my lean. If you can trade down to a team desperate for a QB, you could end up with some pretty solid capital. If you're Miami or the Chargers for example, do you take Derek Carr or Cam Newton and the Raiders/Panthers first to move back from 5th or 6th? You'd get a dependable starter for a couple of years if you're not convinced of Tua's franchise altering talent, with a first round pick still as ammo. Cam in particular I could see getting used as bait, as you'd only be falling back a couple of spots.

    There were rumours that the Lions were thinking of moving on from Stafford, so I could just see him going third there, and Stafford going to maybe Tampa Bay for a second rounder.

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    Colts def won’t be in the running for Lawrence next year unless Jacoby takes a major step back.


    I also see the Buccs bringing the electric factory known as Jameis Winston back. Going for 40/40 next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Any good news for Tua that is good news is, in some form or fashion, good news for the Lions.

    I'm not so sure about the assessment about the Colts and Bucs but the other two could be in the mix.
    You think the Lions would really be in for him if they did move on from MS? I honestly think they’ll trade an established one or get a free agent.

    Jamie and Jacoby are at their level, they can’t get any better. Colts less likely to be there out those teams mentioned yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Colts def won’t be in the running for Lawrence next year unless Jacoby takes a major step back.


    I also see the Buccs bringing the electric factory known as Jameis Winston back. Going for 40/40 next year.
    You honestly think BA will carry on with Jamies if he carries on like that?

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    Why would the Colts pass up Lawrence to keep Brissett..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    That's my lean. If you can trade down to a team desperate for a QB, you could end up with some pretty solid capital. If you're Miami or the Chargers for example, do you take Derek Carr or Cam Newton and the Raiders/Panthers first to move back from 5th or 6th? You'd get a dependable starter for a couple of years if you're not convinced of Tua's franchise altering talent, with a first round pick still as ammo. Cam in particular I could see getting used as bait, as you'd only be falling back a couple of spots.

    There were rumours that the Lions were thinking of moving on from Stafford, so I could just see him going third there, and Stafford going to maybe Tampa Bay for a second rounder.
    Just to be clear my issue with Tua has zero to do with his talent.. It's 100% with his injury history/future..

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    Same, he might have ended up consesus number 1 without the injury history. The accuracy and legs are very promising if he can hold up. Be interesting to see if he's a full participant at the combine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    You think the Lions would really be in for him if they did move on from MS? I honestly think they’ll trade an established one or get a free agent.

    Jamie and Jacoby are at their level, they can’t get any better. Colts less likely to be there out those teams mentioned yes.
    I am only looking at it from the perspective that a clean bill of health on Tua creates urgency for teams behind Miami and they're the first team to likely target a trade with. They have any and all options on the table and that's an opportunistic position to be in. Like him? Draft him. Okay with multiple guys? Take the best offer available to move down a few spots.

    I disagree with both QBs to different degrees and for different reasons. Brissett clearly wasn't the same QB after he suffered his knee injury in the middle portion of the season. He looked very solid as a game manager with flashes before he got hurt. They didn't have a full compliment of pass catchers from the jump (not having their rookie and free agent acquisition). That's two key weapons missing and Hilton was hobbled in the later portion of the season.

    Jameis was awful with turnovers but that was the first year in a new system. They were 7-9, despite that. Their footing would have to completely disappear for them to be a tank team.

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    Tua will probably be drafted higher than the concerns about his health justify simply because there will be at least one GM/Head Coach who is more afraid of what will happen to his job if he passes on Tua and Tua is a success than if he drafts Tua and Tua turns out to be a bust.

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    What really is worse in the NFL draft? Drafting a mega bust or passing on a future hall of famer?

    I know they go hand in hand, like the 2003 Pistons drafting Darko and missing Dwayne Wade. But one has to be slightly worse than the other.

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    1. Brett Favre, GB, 253
    2. Phillip Rivers, SD/LA, 224

    That streak is major. What a shame he never made it to a super bowl. It would be a great story if he made a run with his new team. Iím against Rivers as a hall of famer but heís nevertheless been an institution in the AFC, albeit on an underwhelming franchise.

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    Before TEN started making plans around Tannehill there was a lot of talk last year that the Titans would bring in Rivers for the 2020 season. At the time I was very much for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    What really is worse in the NFL draft? Drafting a mega bust or passing on a future hall of famer?

    I know they go hand in hand, like the 2003 Pistons drafting Darko and missing Dwayne Wade. But one has to be slightly worse than the other.
    Well I think passing on a future hofer is looked at as worse by a lot of ownerships. Coaches seem to bite the dust quite often over guys they didn't draft opposed to guys they did but things just didn't work out for.

    I don't really know if that's fair though. I mean like perc was pointing out. There are some legit concerns to be made about Tua. If he gets passed on by one or more teams then I'm certainly not passing judgement.

    I mean who am I? Just saying though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I am only looking at it from the perspective that a clean bill of health on Tua creates urgency for teams behind Miami and they're the first team to likely target a trade with. They have any and all options on the table and that's an opportunistic position to be in. Like him? Draft him. Okay with multiple guys? Take the best offer available to move down a few spots.
    Well itís certainly interesting how Lions play it all out, I do think they are the only team that can mess our plans up to get Tua, if we donít fancy drafting 2nd. We can match anyone below us draft capital wise.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I disagree with both QBs to different degrees and for different reasons. Brissett clearly wasn't the same QB after he suffered his knee injury in the middle portion of the season. He looked very solid as a game manager with flashes before he got hurt. They didn't have a full compliment of pass catchers from the jump (not having their rookie and free agent acquisition). That's two key weapons missing and Hilton was hobbled in the later portion of the season.

    Jameis was awful with turnovers but that was the first year in a new system. They were 7-9, despite that. Their footing would have to completely disappear for them to be a tank team.
    Out the two Iíd say Jamies will get worst. I mean how longs he been in the league now? And not as if heís had good receivers every season. His decision making is awful, come 5 games in BA will be tired of him.

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    Is there a city in the US that stands out to you? One youd like to visit more than any other? I might go with that one. It would make things more fun should you ever get to visit.

    Jacksonville is playing 2 games in London next year so theres that. Theres a rumor Miami might play 2 games in London next year as well. If you pick the dolphins you and Pabs can be miserable together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Tua will probably be drafted higher than the concerns about his health justify simply because there will be at least one GM/Head Coach who is more afraid of what will happen to his job if he passes on Tua and Tua is a success than if he drafts Tua and Tua turns out to be a bust.
    I was kind of thinking this way, but the opposite. I.e. that GMs won't be patient enough to spend a high first round pick on a QB that likely won't play year 1, with how short of a leash most coaches/GMs are on. I feel like guys like Herbert/Love/Fromm will be drafted higher than they should go because GMs will trick themselves into thinking they've extended their leash by drafting a guy who can (hopefully) start right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    Is there a city in the US that stands out to you? One youd like to visit more than any other? I might go with that one. It would make things more fun should you ever get to visit.

    Jacksonville is playing 2 games in London next year so theres that. Theres a rumor Miami might play 2 games in London next year as well. If you pick the dolphins you and Pabs can be miserable together.
    I'm gonna have a look at the divisions later and pick a team, I don't wanna be a glory supporter but at the same time I think picking a team that loses every week may scupper any enthusiasm I am building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Before TEN started making plans around Tannehill there was a lot of talk last year that the Titans would bring in Rivers for the 2020 season. At the time I was very much for it.
    Rivers in Tennessee would make a ton of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    Rivers in Tennessee would make a ton of sense.
    It doesn't in the sense of thinking of developing someone like Brown. You're theoretically setting that very promising stud to catch passes from four different QBs in the span of 2-3 years.

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    The greats (Hopkins, Thomas, Fitzgerald) have all done a fine job adjusting to different QB's throughout the years. If they maintain the same system you'd think the WR would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    The greats (Hopkins, Thomas, Fitzgerald) have all done a fine job adjusting to different QB's throughout the years. If they maintain the same system you'd think the WR would be fine.
    Seems really unnecessary to do now if you think you've found someone who fits in Tannehill, especially if you're opting to go with someone as erratic as Rivers can be.

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    It's whether they think a short term Rivers deal is more financially benefical than a long term Tannehill one. Perhaps they see the Super Bowl window is within 2 years, and if they can get Rivers to his best level for 2 years then it's probably a step up from Tannehill's potential production. There's more tape to suggest that Rivers can win you more games, regardless of last season. We didn't pick Tannehill up for the change behind the sofa for no reason, this was unforeseen, and a drop off would have to be expected based on history. I'd stick with Ryan because he's part of a winning culture now and deserves to ride that wave, but I'd be tentative in giving him a Cousins type of guaranteed deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    Is there a city in the US that stands out to you? One youd like to visit more than any other? I might go with that one. It would make things more fun should you ever get to visit.

    Jacksonville is playing 2 games in London next year so theres that. Theres a rumor Miami might play 2 games in London next year as well. If you pick the dolphins you and Pabs can be miserable together.
    Isn’t that Jags playing 2 games you mean?

    Oh my bad you mentioned that. I doubt we’ll play 2 games any year in London, just the usual one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    It's whether they think a short term Rivers deal is more financially benefical than a long term Tannehill one. Perhaps they see the Super Bowl window is within 2 years, and if they can get Rivers to his best level for 2 years then it's probably a step up from Tannehill's potential production. There's more tape to suggest that Rivers can win you more games, regardless of last season. We didn't pick Tannehill up for the change behind the sofa for no reason, this was unforeseen, and a drop off would have to be expected based on history. I'd stick with Ryan because he's part of a winning culture now and deserves to ride that wave, but I'd be tentative in giving him a Cousins type of guaranteed deal.
    Rivers is hot garbage. He is a loser and will always be a loser. Now he is a loser with no arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    It's whether they think a short term Rivers deal is more financially benefical than a long term Tannehill one. Perhaps they see the Super Bowl window is within 2 years, and if they can get Rivers to his best level for 2 years then it's probably a step up from Tannehill's potential production. There's more tape to suggest that Rivers can win you more games, regardless of last season. We didn't pick Tannehill up for the change behind the sofa for no reason, this was unforeseen, and a drop off would have to be expected based on history. I'd stick with Ryan because he's part of a winning culture now and deserves to ride that wave, but I'd be tentative in giving him a Cousins type of guaranteed deal.
    Woof that'd be a hell of an assessment on Rivers because there were multiple times over the course of the season where he just looked washed.

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    I see it now Brady to Chargers and Rivers to Patriots

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    I keep thinking Teddy may end up in NE. Seems like Bill could do wonders with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    I keep thinking Teddy may end up in NE. Seems like Bill could do wonders with him.
    I think he’d be more excited with the multi-faceted nature of Hill but Bridgewater fits too. Pretty sure it’d be easier to get TB too because Hill is a restricted free agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Well itís certainly interesting how Lions play it all out, I do think they are the only team that can mess our plans up to get Tua, if we donít fancy drafting 2nd. We can match anyone below us draft capital wise.

    I really dont donít think the Lions are ready to move on from Stafford. He is still a good QB. Plus, Iím not sure Matt Patricia wants to start brand new at that position, considering if they donít do well next year, he could be fired as soon as mid season.

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    Yeah he’s gone by Thanksgiving. Lions will be crap again. Forgot to add them to the Lawrence list.

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    There is something to be said for the fact that they basically suffered two rough losses early in the season (GB and KC) and that stupid tie in week one and they lost every game after Stafford went out.

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    AFC: KC Chiefs
    NFC: Vikings

    These are the teams I now follow

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    LoL. Enjoy cheering for the Vikings man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slutty Macwhoreface View Post
    I'm gonna have a look at the divisions later and pick a team, I don't wanna be a glory supporter but at the same time I think picking a team that loses every week may scupper any enthusiasm I am building.
    Supports the defending Super Bowl champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slutty Macwhoreface View Post
    AFC: KC Chiefs
    NFC: Vikings

    These are the teams I now follow
    You are now a rival of my bears and I hate your god damn face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    Rivers in Tennessee would make a ton of sense.
    Would have at the time. Offense is looking to need a different kind of guy now though and the team is in love with Tannehill. He will be given a contract. He actually just switched agents to the same one Jon Robinson, the GM uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    I see it now Brady to Chargers and Rivers to Patriots
    You know what would be fun?

    Brady to Dallas.

    Skip Bayless's head would explode.

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    I honestly can't imagine where Brady ends up. Literally none of the realistic options make sense in my head.

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    New England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Supports the defending Super Bowl champions.
    Who won for the first time In 50 years right hardly a Dynasty, Let's see where this train goes baybay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    New England.
    That's the only team that makes sense to me honestly. I'd love to see him go somewhere else just because it'd be a super interesting story, and people are reporting he and Bill are having some minor beef too, but I'm having trouble visualizing him playing for anyone else lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    That's the only team that makes sense to me honestly. I'd love to see him go somewhere else just because it'd be a super interesting story, and people are reporting he and Bill are having some minor beef too, but I'm having trouble visualizing him playing for anyone else lol
    Out of the teams that have been prominently mentioned:
    Titans - They are probably not rocking the boat but the offense is probably catered to him rather well. Will be revered by the organization.
    Raiders - Missing an dynamic WR but they've got everything else on offense. Defense is sketchy. Probably set up for disaster in terms of chemistry between the coach and QB.
    Cowboys - Probably a good fit but Dallas isn't likely abandoning what they've built with Dak.
    Niners - See Cowboys.
    Chargers - The O-line is rough as hell.
    Patriots - Need more weapons on offense.

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    So removing DAL and SF, OAK and LAC were both losing teams and play in the same division as SB-winning chiefs. They do each have some good pieces though, particularly LAC.

    TEN was great down the stretch, but without Henry that doesn't happen, Brady or no Brady. And Henry is saying Zeke's contract is the floor of what he will accept, and may not be back in TEN.

    NE isn't set up to scratch Brady's itch of what he wants, but it's familiar and he's won with that setup before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    So removing DAL and SF, OAK and LAC were both losing teams and play in the same division as SB-winning chiefs. They do each have some good pieces though, particularly LAC.

    TEN was great down the stretch, but without Henry that doesn't happen, Brady or no Brady. And Henry is saying Zeke's contract is the floor of what he will accept, and may not be back in TEN.

    NE isn't set up to scratch Brady's itch of what he wants, but it's familiar and he's won with that setup before.
    More elaboration...

    As for the first two teams after your removal, if they're good, they'll be a wild card team. Those two teams are big-fish hunting I presume with their moves. The Raiders need a glitzy face to market for the move, and the Chargers desperately need anything to try to entice people to watch them from a local perspective. I think looking at everything, I think there's potentially a better avenue of success with the Chargers over the Raiders. Despite the issues with the line with the Chargers, there's too much institutional chaos that can arise with the Raiders.

    I do think the Titans were unfathomably successful in terms of red zone scoring proficiency over the later portion of the season so if that regresses a bit, the team might not be as strong as they were this season.

    The Patriots simply need more at tight end and receiver in order to get things in order there. It's a matter of if they're willing to go to bat at the level that's probably required.

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    The Patriots have generally reloaded big time with offensive weapons after a down year in the passing game so I have faith that will happen again. One challenge is that they tried to do that with Sanu when they sent a 2nd rounder for him, and he disappointed. He didn't become black Edelman as I predicted, but I'm hopeful that with a full offseason with the team he will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    So removing DAL and SF, OAK and LAC were both losing teams and play in the same division as SB-winning chiefs. They do each have some good pieces though, particularly LAC.

    TEN was great down the stretch, but without Henry that doesn't happen, Brady or no Brady. And Henry is saying Zeke's contract is the floor of what he will accept, and may not be back in TEN.

    NE isn't set up to scratch Brady's itch of what he wants, but it's familiar and he's won with that setup before.
    Henry will be back in TN. Just a question on if they stick the franchise tag on him or not. It's not really up to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The Patriots have generally reloaded big time with offensive weapons after a down year in the passing game so I have faith that will happen again. One challenge is that they tried to do that with Sanu when they sent a 2nd rounder for him, and he disappointed. He didn't become black Edelman as I predicted, but I'm hopeful that with a full offseason with the team he will be better.
    Something that makes me question the general process is that they want a plan and they want to execute it with time in mind. Any successful organization is going to want a plan that is sustainable over time. The difference is that the Patriots have been able to actually do that. That's where the dichotomy begins though now with Brady. If you're keeping Brady in the mix, you're not looking at promising prospects. You're looking at guys like Sanu (not in stature, but vets) and you have to hope you hit with them and that fit within the scheme. That's not making the team younger and it will be less built on finding deals/steals with contacts. Is that something Belichick is going to want to do? If he's willing to do it, can Brady hold up? If he doesn't, you've got all these shiny toys and Brady can't capitalize on them. There's a lot of variables in play.

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