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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    What you mean? There’s a trade value chart they all use, it’s pretty basic
    Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.

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    I hate these four day drafts. I stop caring by the 14th pick and don't bother to watch Saturday.

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    Goes to show how much SEC schools, Clemon, Ohio State and Clemson dominate the scene nowadays. One mid major first rounder so far. Of course, it's not as bad as that year Miami had 11 guys go in the first round.

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    Our pass rush sucks but if they take Cleveland I won't blame them.

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    The packers pick doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, surely rodgers has 3 years left in him. When the pats picked Jimmy G it was after a season in which Brady posted a passer rating of 87 so you could at least see a case that he was in decline. Rodgers still seems on his game. Similar timing though, I think Brady was also 36 at the time. Hopefully for the packers Rodgers will respond to it as Brady did

    (Jimmy was also about 30 picks later)

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    Ohio State got a massive recruiting uptick from this draft. Ravens got another beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Ohio State got a massive recruiting uptick from this draft. Ravens got another beast.
    A beast that needs to gain some weight or else get flattened by Henry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.
    Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. His results are pretty average for the league Iíd say (taking into consideration they always start with late picks). Usually the logic is the guy (or guys) they want will still be there at the lower spot.

    They dropped to 37 here so thatís still a high pick, they dropped like 14 spots I think.

    And to be fair they stuck at 32 last year and stuck at both their 1st rounders the year before. But certainly youíre right he loves to move around (more often down). Heíll make at least 2 trades tomorrow, easy.

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    If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

    Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

    Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.
    Oh he's gonna get injured.

    But if he doesn't...

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    Lots of interesting stories off of the first night but I have to imagine Green Bay's pick is going to get the most steam over the next few days.

    Not a very logical pick.

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    Green Bay is the only NFC team I've ever cared for and I love Rodgers but he's def gotten to that point where he wants to throw it away way too much and his playoff performances have gone to shit the last several appearances. I can see why they'd want to start slowly grooming the next guy.

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    The slower the better.

    I am ready for the drama especially considering Chicago won't do shit this year, I need something to take pleasure in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

    Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.
    Miami played is there thinking we won’t mind those other 2 picks cos we drafted Tua.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Oh he's gonna get injured.

    But if he doesn't...
    He’s got AJ watching him now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.
    Belichek's strength hasn't been with the draft, though they've done pretty well considering they've generally started toward the end of each round because they've been so good at what counts, the actual games. And they've lost several picks over the years, which impacts their overall draft class.

    But where Bill really shines is his nerve to get rid of top players before a sharp decline sets in, and especially his ability to pick up players that get released from other teams, and he finds a way to get the most out of them.



    Overall, I enjoyed what I watched of the draft. When you see the sharp distinction in the homes of the execs/owners vs. the shack I live in, it's clear that the rich lead a completely different life.

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    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...uarantine-man/

    Pretty fun response by Mike Vrabel about what was going on in his home during the draft. He seems like a pretty cool guy.

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    For Texans fans..

    ..it's finally draft day.. woot woot.

    I say that and we'll now take a Div II TE no one's ever heard of who practices really really hard..

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    Speaking of which there's an embarrassment of riches available for a potential 40th pick..

    Jaylon Johnson - CB - Utah
    Kristian Fulton - CB - LSU
    Yetur Gross-Matos - ED - PSU
    AJ Epenesa - ED - Iowa
    Ross Blacklock - DL - TCU
    Neville Gallimore - DL - Oklahoma
    Terrell Lewis - ED - Albama
    Zack Baun - LB - Wisconsin
    Antoine Winfield Jr - S - Minnesota
    Jordan Elliott - DL - Missouri

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    Baun still on the board. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Speaking of which there's an embarrassment of riches available for a potential 40th pick..

    Jaylon Johnson - CB - Utah
    Kristian Fulton - CB - LSU
    Yetur Gross-Matos - ED - PSU
    AJ Epenesa - ED - Iowa
    Ross Blacklock - DL - TCU
    Neville Gallimore - DL - Oklahoma
    Terrell Lewis - ED - Albama
    Zack Baun - LB - Wisconsin
    Antoine Winfield Jr - S - Minnesota
    Jordan Elliott - DL - Missouri
    You got Blacklock. You like?

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    If the jets dont take Baun we got him

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    Pats jumping up. Hope its for a TE or a WR

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    Fuck. Bill mustve thought thats who we wanted.

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    Amd we take a corner. I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    You got Blacklock. You like?
    I do. He's versatile in a multiple front and can be schemed up with a lot of experience playing de/dt games at tcu. Super competitive and downhill.

    Bit of an injury concern with an acl in 2018, but his 2019 performance has done lots to offset that.

    No disappointment at all here.

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    Bears now got 10 TEs on their current roster including Kmet

    Plus they're still paying Burton.

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    Kmet is a stud. As a Notre Dame fan, I'm quite pleased with the Steelers WR pick. Now if they can pull off that Fortane trade from the Jags and the offense will be massively better.

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    After 3 rounds

    Tua A+++
    Jackson C+
    Igbinoghene A-
    Robert Hunt B+
    Raekwon Davis B+
    Brandon Jones C+

    Overall B+

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    Indy getting Eason in the 4th is an incredible value pick in my opinion.

    Win-win there

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    Where will cam newton land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Where will cam newton land?
    My guess: Pittsburgh or nowhere for the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Where will cam newton land?
    why not the Pats?

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    No cap room. We’d need to trade Thuney

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    So I read that Jameis is now slotted to be around 52 for contract money for QBs at $1.1m with his deal with the Saints.

    That's less than the likes of Beathard, Daniel, Sudfeld, Peterman, Rush, Keenum, Mariota and many, many more.

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    A terribly erratic qb who's still young and arguably talented enough to reestablish himself as a starter in the league getting paid a mill to take a one year qb course from Sean Payton, Pete Carmichael, and Drew Brees..

    sounds like a sign of maturity..

    good for him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    A terribly erratic qb who's still young and arguably talented enough to reestablish himself as a starter in the league getting paid a mill to take a one year qb course from Sean Payton, Pete Carmichael, and Drew Brees..

    sounds like a sign of maturity..

    good for him..
    Also enables Taysom Hill to carry on doing Taysom Hill things.

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    Value in Winston if there's 3 seconds on the clock and you're 50-60 yards from the end zone too, particularly if Brees' arm strength is getting weaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    why not the Pats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    No cap room. We’d need to trade Thuney
    Belichek has reportedly been yelling at Brady for years that "I can get Joe Foxboro from down the street to play quarterback", so we don't need Cam.

    God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.
    Careful with that day drinking, my dude. It'll get away from you real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Indy getting Eason in the 4th is an incredible value pick in my opinion.

    Win-win there
    Agreed. I'm very happy the Colts got him in the 4th. They had a pretty good draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Where will cam newton land?
    I’m thinking Chargers.

    The guy is to talented not to end up on a team even if it’s a back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Also enables Taysom Hill to carry on doing Taysom Hill things.
    $10M a year to carry on doing Taysom Hill things is pretty good, the lads done well there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Belichek has reportedly been yelling at Brady for years that "I can get Joe Foxboro from down the street to play quarterback", so we don't need Cam.
    Uhhh, what's your source on this? Sounds like something Tony Massarotti said hyperbolically while filling 25 hours of radio air each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.
    i read that as jason statham, which would be way better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Iím thinking Chargers.

    The guy is to talented not to end up on a team even if itís a back up.
    Unless the Chargers GM was full of crap on Monday, they're not looking at Cam.

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    I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?
    Which do you think is more cost-effective for a team in that situation: whatever it costs to sign Cam or a 2nd/3rd?
    If it's the money, you pick Cam.
    If it's the pick, you probably pick someone like Dalton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?
    easier said than done. if that opportunity doesn't come then sitting out his 31 year old season is tough, who knows what he'll get offered next year. and if it does come, it's tough to get up to speed with a team if the season has already started. very tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Uhhh, what's your source on this? Sounds like something Tony Massarotti said hyperbolically while filling 25 hours of radio air each week.

    My mistake. Belichek wanted Johnny Foxboro, the local high school quarterback, not Joe Foxboro.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/18/nf...gland-patriots

    Stuff like this is why I don't think Brady will be as successful without Bill. It remains to be seen whether Tom will perform well without him.

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    Johnny Foxboro the local high school quarterback huh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Unless the Chargers GM was full of crap on Monday, they're not looking at Cam.
    Oh not seen anything he’s said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    My mistake. Belichek wanted Johnny Foxboro, the local high school quarterback, not Joe Foxboro.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/18/nf...gland-patriots

    Stuff like this is why I don't think Brady will be as successful without Bill. It remains to be seen whether Tom will perform well without him.
    Good shout on the Belichick quote. Brady has always been tough enough to be treated as just another one of the guys by Belichick and that’s why they lasted so long together. Most other QBs if they reached the pinnacle of the sport wouldn't have stuck around as long with that kind of treatment, I reckon.

    Brady certainly doesn't need that anymore though, he's extremely self motivated and dedicated. It's probably unfair to use his age 43 and older seasons as a judgment of whether he can be successful without Bill but were it not for this damn Covid I'd full expect him to come out firing this year and be an almost certain Pro Bowler (I'd say All Pro but Mahomes and Jackson make that a tall task). I still expect that, but the likely cancellation of OTAs and shortened training camp could cause a slower start.

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    Brady succeeds without New England, he is the greatest ever confirmed. He sucks and he can blame it on age. It's foolproof!

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    I think neither TB or NE makes the playoffs. If I had to bet on one, it'd be NE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    I think neither TB or NE makes the playoffs. If I had to bet on one, it'd be NE
    I would think if only one makes it, it's Tampa. I think there's a relatively decent chance that both can, though.

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    TB is loading up. I can easily see them making the playoffs now.

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    They were 7-9 and had a DPOY candidate as the QB. As long as Brady hasn't hit the fan with his talent, they should be right in the thick of it for a playoff spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    They were 7-9 and had a DPOY candidate as the QB. As long as Brady hasn't hit the fan with his talent, they should be right in the thick of it for a playoff spot.
    Jameis threw A TON of picks, don't get me wrong.

    But he also led the league in pass attempts, passing yards, and came in 2nd in passing TDs in order to keep them competitive. It's basically a wash when you consider all the INTs I guess. But while Brady won't throw those picks, I don't think he'll match the attempts/yards/TDs either.

    More concerning to me though is the poor OL and invisible running game in TB that will likely be huge obstacles for an aging QB (only three teams averaged fewer rushing yards per carry, and only four QBs were sacked more than Winston). They spent their first pick on a top OT prospect, and then their 3rd selection on a RB, but it will be interesting to see if those two players make immediate improvements to their respective positions from a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    Jameis threw A TON of picks, don't get me wrong.

    But he also led the league in pass attempts, passing yards, and came in 2nd in passing TDs in order to keep them competitive. It's basically a wash when you consider all the INTs I guess. But while Brady won't throw those picks, I don't think he'll match the attempts/yards/TDs either.

    More concerning to me though is the poor OL and invisible running game in TB that will likely be huge obstacles for an aging QB (only three teams averaged fewer rushing yards per carry, and only four QBs were sacked more than Winston). They spent their first pick on a top OT prospect, and then their 3rd selection on a RB, but it will be interesting to see if those two players make immediate improvements to their respective positions from a year ago.
    I mean, he doesn't need to make wholesale changes to match the yardage and everything in order to make it a wash. He just needs to be competent and not cripple both sides of their team. Gronk is probably some form of insurance as a blocker, also helping with the first-round lineman.

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    That's assuming Gronk is the same TE he was before retiring, losing a bunch of weight and getting a taste of post-NFL life without the discipline that made him what he was. Maybe he will be as good (or even better in the new environment). But I just see a lot of variables and have very meager expectations is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    That's assuming Gronk is the same TE he was before retiring, losing a bunch of weight and getting a taste of post-NFL life without the discipline that made him what he was. Maybe he will be as good (or even better in the new environment). But I just see a lot of variables and have very meager expectations is all.
    He was a better blocker than pass catcher down the stretch in New England so even a drop-off in that department (and working as a decoy) should be a welcomed addition to Tampa.

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    I think a year off will have done Gronk a lot of good physically and I expect him to be more effective in 2020 than he was in 2018. Having Godwin and Evans pulling secondaries away from him won’t hurt either.

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    Gronk should still be a capable blocker, and help Brady as a known entity in a year where prep will be down. Nobody would still want to lay too much money on him playing 16 games.

    New England should be able to make the playoffs. I'm not sure Buffalo replicates last season, so they've got a reasonable shot at their division, and the expansion to 7 teams in each conference helps their odds.

    I also like Tampa to make the play-offs. New Orleans will win the division, but TB should get better as the season progresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Gronk should still be a capable blocker, and help Brady as a known entity in a year where prep will be down. Nobody would still want to lay too much money on him playing 16 games.

    New England should be able to make the playoffs. I'm not sure Buffalo replicates last season, so they've got a reasonable shot at their division, and the expansion to 7 teams in each conference helps their odds.

    I also like Tampa to make the play-offs. New Orleans will win the division, but TB should get better as the season progresses.
    Buffalo hinges Allen's development, to me. Feels like even with a year-to-year turnover that they're still pretty skilled defensively and hoping for some general growth on offense.
    It feels like they were built rather well and Diggs is a move you make if you're feeling you're on the right track to make a move.

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    Pass interference replay is dead. They changed the rule for one year because of a bad call in the NFCCG and then realized it was dumb and are not bringing it back. Maybe if that call goes the other way the saints beat the pats in the super bowl so I’m not complaining. But as for the rule, yes it was a bad idea from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Pass interference replay is dead. They changed the rule for one year because of a bad call in the NFCCG and then realized it was dumb and are not bringing it back. Maybe if that call goes the other way the saints beat the pats in the super bowl so I’m not complaining. But as for the rule, yes it was a bad idea from the start.
    It was so fucking weird because they had the ability to challenge it but it had to be so egregious that challenging it was almost always a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    It was so fucking weird because they had the ability to challenge it but it had to be so egregious that challenging it was almost always a waste.
    This.

    When they weren't upholding challenges, that according to the language of the rule, that they should have, it became clear that this was a one-year experiment doomed from the start.

    Guess we have to wait for another egregious non-call, in a highly visible spot with dramatic implications, for this to get brought up again and maybe done right.

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    Well see I preferred the challenge of PI being used only on egregious mis-calls not normal mis-calls because like holding, if you called it by the book on review then there could be countless overturns each game. If you guys are saying you would like them to keep the rule in place and overturn more calls by the letter of the law, I disagree. That hurts the game more than it helps it in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Well see I preferred the challenge of PI being used only on egregious mis-calls not normal mis-calls because like holding, if you called it by the book on review then there could be countless overturns each game. If you guys are saying you would like them to keep the rule in place and overturn more calls by the letter of the law, I disagree. That hurts the game more than it helps it in my opinion.
    I think you're right, letter of the law would of hurt the game. I do think the bar was a bit too high though.

    I guess in my head I thought there was a better way you could do it. Overturn a few more calls but still let the guys play.

    Would of been a delicate balance and you risk setting a precedent with every overturbed call. Probably best they got rid of it.

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