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    The big problem the Pats are gonna have when it comes to reloading the offense is that if Brady makes it to free agency, no matter what they sign him for you have to add 13 million to the cap. There goes some money for those weapons. If they make it to free agency without a deal, he’s gone.


    And as a Pats fan... I’m ok with it. I get it. And what more can I really ask for? Almost 20 years of year in, year out success. 9 SB appearances, 6 wins. How can you ask for more?

    I want him to finish here, but if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. Still the best QB to ever play the game and brought this region a ton of success.

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    Brady going somewhere else will be even stranger than Montana with the Chiefs.

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    Just noticed that the Raiders relocated to Las Vegas? Big sports town eh? Gambling and eloping is all I know of the place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slutty Macwhoreface View Post
    Just noticed that the Raiders relocated to Las Vegas? Big sports town eh? Gambling and eloping is all I know of the place
    Its fucking stupid.

    A tourist city. The crowds wont be anything like Bay Area ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Henry will be back in TN. Just a question on if they stick the franchise tag on him or not. It's not really up to him.
    If Henry is saying Zeke's contract is the floor for him, does he play under the franchise tag? Or hold out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    If Henry is saying Zeke's contract is the floor for him, does he play under the franchise tag? Or hold out?
    He'll play under the tag if he wants to make anything at all. Which he does. I mean it'll piss him off and he'll hold out of training camp while his team says how bad they need him to be there etc. Same old same old.

    It sucks for him but this is the league. And I say do it to him TWICE. Sorry but not sorry Derrick. I want a super bowl and I also don't want to sign ANY rb to a long term free agent deal.

    And the tag isn't ALL bad. I mean Kirk Cousins just made a fortune that way for a few seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Its fucking stupid.

    A tourist city. The crowds wont be anything like Bay Area ones.
    Passion? I probably agree. Attendance? I don't agree.

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    Vegas has been amazing for Hockey. Yes there will be tourists who come to watch the road team but there are a lot of people in town who have been craving something of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Vegas has been amazing for Hockey. Yes there will be tourists who come to watch the road team but there are a lot of people in town who have been craving something of their own.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Passion? I probably agree. Attendance? I don't agree.
    Have the oakland crowds not been good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Have the oakland crowds not been good?
    They've been loyal but I think you're underestimating the idea of a loyal fanbase in Vegas. As Knee noted, the Golden Knights have done extremely well, ranking in the top 5 in attendance since becoming a team. That's hockey. If there's a fan base that is consistently showing up for hockey, you bet like hell they're going to show up for NFL football. There's obviously rich tourism numbers that allow the city to thrive but there's also a local community that wants some normalcy. This would be part of that in a lot of ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    He'll play under the tag if he wants to make anything at all. Which he does. I mean it'll piss him off and he'll hold out of training camp while his team says how bad they need him to be there etc. Same old same old.

    It sucks for him but this is the league. And I say do it to him TWICE. Sorry but not sorry Derrick. I want a super bowl and I also don't want to sign ANY rb to a long term free agent deal.

    And the tag isn't ALL bad. I mean Kirk Cousins just made a fortune that way for a few seasons.
    I completely agree with your logic. But saying he'll play under the tag if he wants money is not the same as saying he'll play under the tag. We've seen other RBs hold out in spite of this. I'm not a TEN fan so I'll admit there are others who surely have a better grasp on the type of player Henry is. But that's a major wild card if I'm Tom Brady. I'm not even considering TEN unless Henry is already under contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    I completely agree with your logic. But saying he'll play under the tag if he wants money is not the same as saying he'll play under the tag. We've seen other RBs hold out in spite of this. I'm not a TEN fan so I'll admit there are others who surely have a better grasp on the type of player Henry is. But that's a major wild card if I'm Tom Brady. I'm not even considering TEN unless Henry is already under contract.
    Oh I see what you're saying. Yeah I would agree totally. But I'm not even considering Tom playing here.

    Also...kind of don't want him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    You know what would be fun?

    Brady to Dallas.

    Skip Bayless's head would explode.
    Hahaha yeah imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    The big problem the Pats are gonna have when it comes to reloading the offense is that if Brady makes it to free agency, no matter what they sign him for you have to add 13 million to the cap. There goes some money for those weapons. If they make it to free agency without a deal, he’s gone.


    And as a Pats fan... I’m ok with it. I get it. And what more can I really ask for? Almost 20 years of year in, year out success. 9 SB appearances, 6 wins. How can you ask for more?

    I want him to finish here, but if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. Still the best QB to ever play the game and brought this region a ton of success.
    It reminds me of the whole Steven Gerrard with Liverpool, he played all his career with us and wanted to finish his career and us fans wanted him to. But of course age comes into, declined and I think Brady has and of course how the people in charge see it and what direction they want to go going forward. It’s obvious he wants to carry on playing but I said the same about Gerrard for us, I think it’s time to move on.

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    https://www.clickondetroit.com/sport...thew-stafford/

    Rumors are being denied Stafford is on the trade market, but I really don't care. This franchise will never has sustained success with the Fords as owners. It doesn't matter who the QB or coach is, or even the front office.

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    Stafford is a good football player, and certainly not the thing holding the team back. The only reason they should consider it is if they absolutely think Tua is a nailed on, elite 15 year starter and they can get Stafford off the books to try and win during the rookie contract window. They were competitive with Stafford last season, and there's no reason to think they can't become a playoff team with this core and a 16 game Stafford, particularly with having that #3 pick to take a potential superstar in a key position. I can see the talks being an internal leak to be honest, to try and spark some activity in the draft to get that picked shopped for more capital. If the Dolphins genuinely think the Lions might take Tua they could give up 2 firsts for him, just for the Lions to take the player at 5 that they'd have taken at 3 anyway. Mind games.

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    The Lions are looking at $52M in dead cap over the next two years - $32M in particular for 2020 - should they move off of Stafford..

    ya, he ain't goin anywhere.

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    what's the cap hit if they trade Stafford?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    what's the cap hit if they trade Stafford?
    That was answered in the post before yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    That was answered in the post before yours.
    ahh sorry thought that was what it was if he was cut. usually the trade his is less.

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    Traded or cut the dead cap money is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Traded or cut the dead cap money is what it is.
    Don't think that's true. Alshon Jeffrey has a different dead cap hit for the eagles if he is traded vs being cut just as an example.

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    If a player has any guaranteed money in that particular season then his cut # would be higher than his traded #. If there is no guaranteed money outside of the signing bonus then those numbers are the same. At least that is my understanding.

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    Yeah no ones taking Stafford in a trade this season with that contact, not even we’re that stupid to trade for him. Clearly someone from Lions letting rumours out so they can trade down with someone.

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    Brees is back.

    That means Teddy will not be a Saint. I hope he ends up starting in New England.

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    I'll be happy for him to start anywhere not in the NFCN

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    Good for Brees.

    Can't wait for him to throw a ball so hard this season that his arm comes off with it.

    He still comes back in time for the playoffs.

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    Playoffs changing.

    1 bye per conference. 7 teams making it.

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    So Pitt and the Rams would've been playoff teams this past season.

    Fuckin dumb.

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    I don't like it because of what it does to the 2 seed. Losing that bye is tough to stomach, especially if you go 13-3. But it's less about them losing it and more about what the 1 seed is gaining. If you're the only team in the conference with a bye it gives you a huge advantage. I could see the 1 seed making the Super Bowl a higher percentage of the time now. The Conference Title games could become less competitive over the long term.

    But I don't hate it either. I can see the advantages of it. 2 extra playoff games will make Wild Card Weekend bigger and better (not better on a per game average but better on the aggregate). A full slate of playoff games at 1, 4:30 and 8:30 sounds pretty sweet. 14 out of 32 teams making the playoffs (44%) is still a good number. There will be years when an 8-8 team gets in and we'll say they stink, but there will also be 10-6 teams in that slot fairly often. Heck, the Patriots were 11-5 and missed the playoffs that one year.

    It makes the quest for the 1 seed more important but the quest for the 2 seed less important so that's kind of a wash.

    Wild Card weekend will look like this:
    2 vs 7
    3 vs 6
    5 vs 4

    I would certainly vote to keep things the same, but it's not the worst.

    The 17 game season though? That is less appealing. I don't want a work stoppage but I hope the players don't give in on that.

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    The entirety of the nfl schedule and playoff format is completely perfect as is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    The entirety of the nfl schedule and playoff format is completely perfect as is..
    The playoff system really is. Nobody has a better playoff system than the NFL and here they go fucking with it.

    Everyone thought it was so awful when Seattle got in with a 7-9 record.(Winning a game. Credit where its due) Well get prepared for a shit ton more of that.

    Totally on board with having an odd number of games. I hate all the 8-8 teams. So I'm down for that. And I guess as a fan of the 9-7 Titans I should be happy about an extra team getting in because when you're always 9-7 you're always on the bubble....but no. Fuck that shit.

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    I also heard some folks talking on the Floyd Reese show about how the 17th game would probably be a neutral site. Mexico or London. Everyone gets 8 at home 8 away and one neutral. And that 17th game could then be packaged into a tv deal for ABC who wants back in badly and they would get all the neutral site games, one each week, and the NFL gets a 2 billion dollar check from them.

    Don't know how workable that situation is but you can see where the NFL is frothing at the mouth to sell more games.

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    I can understand it more in the NFL because every team doesn't play every team right so you can have other matchups that aren't on the home or away schedule.

    Would it mean Jacksonville and the like don't get to give up home games for London? I thought they kinda liked the cash.

    Whilst I love the London games as the time is a bit more friendly for me I can imagine for west coast teams it must be an absolute pain the arse

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    I highly doubt they will play 16 games in London and Mexico under this format.

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    This playoff setup benefits only a couple ways for the league.

    1) Cash grab for the league for two more games wild card weekend.

    2) Chance that a team that should’ve made the playoffs but didn’t (10+ win team), but more likely a mediocre team or two makes it.


    The only benefit as a fan I see, is more gambling. Which I’ll do, of course, but otherwise that’s about it.

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    And for those who don't gamble, more playoff football watching. Some people are projecting that the next logical step will be that 16 teams make the playoffs with no teams getting a bye. Bleh. I don't like this but as I said before, look on the bright side... Wild Card Weekend will become akin to those first couple March Madness weekends in terms of just how many playoff games are on consecutively (I mean, obviously not the same volume of games but a similar "all day" marathon during the weekend). That part will be cool.

    No. 7 seeds by record, 2010-19:

    8-8: Five
    8-7-1: One
    9-7: Eight
    9-6-1: One
    10-6: Five

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    Unless the 1-seed makes the SB then we'll teams playing 21 games a year..

    because player safety..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Unless the 1-seed makes the SB then we'll teams playing 21 games a year..

    because player safety..

    This. Player safety matters unless there is money to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Unless the 1-seed makes the SB then we'll teams playing 21 games a year..

    because player safety..
    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    This. Player safety matters unless there is money to be made.
    There's a pretty easy concession that can be made that alleviates the perception that player safety is now in larger danger with the idea of a 17th game being added to the regular season: 16 game max for a player during the regular season.

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    They can cut back on the damn preseason games. Who needs a week 4 anyways?

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    Most of the real players don’t play preseason anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    The entirety of the nfl schedule and playoff format is completely perfect as is..
    This 100000000000%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    They can cut back on the damn preseason games. Who needs a week 4 anyways?
    There will be only 3 if the 17 game schedule gets passed. That 4th game is important for fringe players, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    There's a pretty easy concession that can be made that alleviates the perception that player safety is now in larger danger with the idea of a 17th game being added to the regular season: 16 game max for a player during the regular season.
    I hate that idea so very much. I mean, look at what happens in the NBA when teams rest players. Fans don't like paying for a game months in advance only to have the star player resting. Imagine you plan a very expensive trip to see your team play on the road and Patrick Mahomes is off that week to meet his quota. And it's not just the ticket buyers - it would make the television product worse as well. ESPN selects the Chiefs for a MNF game, and the same shit happens. And gambling.... When do the teams announce these healthy scratches that would cause the spread to shift dramatically? The more I think about that idea and the downstream effects, the more it makes me barf. I don't see that as a viable solution though I've seen it suggested in other places. We talk about extra games diluting the quality of play... mandatory benching of players would be the definition of dilution.

    It's up to the players union to say no to a 17 game schedule. If they need to go to a work stoppage, so be it. I agree it's very hypocritical in regard to player safety to extend the season. NFL owners are greedy bastards. And the players, seemingly, are about to say yes to it. They will reap the benefits of higher salaries because that extra $5 billion or whatever in tv money will cause the salary cap to rise (not immediately but as that new revenue comes into effect). And future generations of NFL players will have no say in the matter. They will be playing a 17 game schedule now until forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    There's a pretty easy concession that can be made that alleviates the perception that player safety is now in larger danger with the idea of a 17th game being added to the regular season: 16 game max for a player during the regular season.
    I would be pissed if I buy tickets to a game and I get Tim Boyle and not Aaron Rodgers.

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    why not add an extra bye week for every team? people want more football so extend the season into mid february.

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    I would be pissed if I buy tickets to a game and I get Tim Boyle and not Aaron Rodgers.
    I get your argument but itís a poor example in my opinion lol. Froís was better.

    My counter to your point is the NFL doesnít care about you. They care about your money but necessarily about you. Thereís no legit reason for the nature of the sport to change from where it is now. Thereís no reason. Thereís legitimate reasons as to why they can look to expanding. It doesnít mean that it is right but it makes sense why they would.

    Itís actually pretty damn ballsy on the part of the owners to suggest this in regards to the timing. This is a substantial talking point in regards to the financial landscape of the league and the fact itís coming time to where a new CBA is on the on the horizon. It is in everyoneís best interest (players and owners) to get a deal locked up now. Even more of a best interest is to make it a long-term deal. Thatís going to bring in a boat load of revenue to share.

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    Its the same example. I drive 6 hours to Lambeau once a year. I would be pissed if it is for the back up QB because the starter needs to rest to only play 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Its the same example. I drive 6 hours to Lambeau once a year. I would be pissed if it is for the back up QB because the starter needs to rest to only play 16.
    Rodgers is on the back end of his career and not nearly as good as he once was. Mahomes, in theory, has more years ahead of him and more fun to watch in general. You also said it’s an annual trip so you’ve done this before and seen him multiple times, I’m guessing over a longer period of time, compared to the same circumstances for Mahomes.

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    So by that logic a Mahomes fan could go see him several more times. I only have a limited amount of time to see Rodgers before he is done.

    Mahomes also had a capable backup who beat playoff teams with him out of the line up last year.

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    Sounds like the Packers need a better backup then lol.

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    Sounds like its a stupid idea to limit the number of games a player can play.

    Think about teams like the Bears. They cant find one competent kicker. Now they are going to need a second for the rest week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Rodgers is on the back end of his career and not nearly as good as he once was. Mahomes, in theory, has more years ahead of him and more fun to watch in general. You also said itís an annual trip so youíve done this before and seen him multiple times, Iím guessing over a longer period of time, compared to the same circumstances for Mahomes.
    Who cares about the specific example, lol. It would suck to have QBs (or any players for that matter) sitting out games unnecessarily. It would by definition lessen the quality of the sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    My counter to your point is the NFL doesnít care about you. They care about your money but necessarily about you. Thereís no legit reason for the nature of the sport to change from where it is now. Thereís no reason. Thereís legitimate reasons as to why they can look to expanding. It doesnít mean that it is right but it makes sense why they would.

    Itís actually pretty damn ballsy on the part of the owners to suggest this in regards to the timing. This is a substantial talking point in regards to the financial landscape of the league and the fact itís coming time to where a new CBA is on the on the horizon. It is in everyoneís best interest (players and owners) to get a deal locked up now. Even more of a best interest is to make it a long-term deal. Thatís going to bring in a boat load of revenue to share.
    I can't make heads or tails of what you're saying in this post. We know the reason is money. Money is a legitimate reason. And the timing is not coincidental or ballsy - they can only make these drastic changes when the CBA is under re-negotiation so this is the time to do it. They've been talking about it for years in advance of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post

    I can't make heads or tails of what you're saying in this post. We know the reason is money. Money is a legitimate reason. And the timing is not coincidental or ballsy - they can only make these drastic changes when the CBA is under re-negotiation so this is the time to do it. They've been talking about it for years in advance of this.
    Well it’s ballsy because you suggested that the players should force a work stoppage due to it. That’s the last thing either side needs. I’m sure it’s nice for players to think of future generations but not everyone is that noble.

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    Ok no NFL team would ever rest players of their own accord outside of game 16s that dont matter. The season is too short and each game matters too much. The NBA season is 82 games, MLB 162, NHL 484...it feels like, so they have the option. Would never fly in football. Has never flown.

    So then they'd just start doing it as a matter of rule? Because they care so much about player saftey over good product? Gtfo. Never ever ever gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Well itís ballsy because you suggested that the players should force a work stoppage due to it. Thatís the last thing either side needs. Iím sure itís nice for players to think of future generations but not everyone is that noble.
    It's not just future generations I mean it's also the players that will still be around in a couple years when the 17 game schedule would go into effect. But I would argue that perhaps the player's union is in drastic need of a work stoppage. The owners will not stop being so ballsy as to suggest schedule expansion in the face of long-term-health issues until they start losing hundreds of millions. A work stoppage is at times very necessary, and perhaps this is a key moment in the history of the sport where it is warranted. We are at the intersection of health detriments becoming widely known (CTE, etc) and the NFL pushing for a longer season. If not now, when?

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    So the plan is to start the season 1 week earlier (eliminating the final pre-season slate) and have an extra 2 games wild card weekend? It sounds good, but I'd worry about the quality of football decreasing due to coaches having to think of the health of the players. Plus, with an extra game to catch up, and an extra playoff spot up for grabs, these 21-0 games at half time could disolve into farce as the losing team lives to fight another day, with the percentage chance of progressing incrementally higher with 1 loss out of the 17 games and an extra wild card spot, than it would be in the existing format. It all adds up from a TV perspective obviously on paper (more football = more $$$), but in terms of how I'd see the viewing experience going, not so much. There are obviously positives from a viewing standpoint with wild card weekend expanding, but isn't it already pretty fucking exciting?! If we took this year for example, we'd have hardly been filling our knickers over the Steelers going to the Chiefs. Packers vs. Rams might have been decent mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    It's not just future generations I mean it's also the players that will still be around in a couple years when the 17 game schedule would go into effect. But I would argue that perhaps the player's union is in drastic need of a work stoppage. The owners will not stop being so ballsy as to suggest schedule expansion in the face of long-term-health issues until they start losing hundreds of millions. A work stoppage is at times very necessary, and perhaps this is a key moment in the history of the sport where it is warranted. We are at the intersection of health detriments becoming widely known (CTE, etc) and the NFL pushing for a longer season. If not now, when?
    Just to be clear, I'm not opposed to the line of thinking you're presenting because safety is obviously of high importance. I just didn't want it to come across that I'm pro owner and anti player. I just don't see the players doing it, especially when there's so much money there.

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    Don’t be surprised if the players do indeed make the concession to go to a 17 game season, especially if they get weed cleared by the drug tests.

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    I love how kneeneighbor's point that it would suck to make an annual trip to see your team and they sit the starting QB was met with a statement that Mahomes is better and that GB needs a better backup QB lol.

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    Such a shame. No need for personal attacks on other QB’s such as Aaron Rodgers.



    Even if he’ll never be as great as Tom Brady, no matter what anyone likes to think....

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    So the player reps will meet tomorrow to decide, or at least begin the decision process, of approving the proposal on the table. I'm rooting for them to reject it! Everything in the media seems to be pointing that this is a done deal that the players will accept 17 games but the owners could easily be manipulating the reporting to their benefit.

    No team has reached the Super Bowl without a bye since 2012 (Ravens). That's 7 years, 14 straight SB berths for bye teams. I hate that we're losing the balance of 2 bye week teams in each conference. But if and when the Patriots earn the 1 seed in the coming years I won't hate having the conference handed to us on a platter

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    But if and when the Patriots earn the 1 seed in the coming years I won't hate having the conference handed to us on a platter
    If there's ever a season for Buffalo to take the East, this is probably it, lol.

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    Word. The players have the league by the base of their snardlys. They want that 17th game and extra playoff games BAD. So now is when they need to man up and demand better healthcare and pensions for retirement.

    And yeah all the leagues need to grow up and stop failing guys for testing poisitive for weed. I mean grow the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    And yeah all the leagues need to grow up and stop failing guys for testing poisitive for weed. I mean grow the fuck up.
    And stop throwing them in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Word. The players have the league by the base of their snardlys. They want that 17th game and extra playoff games BAD. So now is when they need to man up and demand better healthcare and pensions for retirement.

    And yeah all the leagues need to grow up and stop failing guys for testing poisitive for weed. I mean grow the fuck up.
    Do the owners want that 17th game and extra playoff games as much as many of the players need to not be out of work..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Do the owners want that 17th game and extra playoff games as much as many of the players need to not be out of work..?
    I don't think it would come to a work stoppage. But good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Word. The players have the league by the base of their snardlys. They want that 17th game and extra playoff games BAD. So now is when they need to man up and demand better healthcare and pensions for retirement.

    I want to agree with this, because in theory they should, however the NFLPA has shown itself to be the weakest players union of the 4 major American sports time and time again. The owners know a work stoppage hurts players more, because at the end of the day, they’re still billionaires, and the players are not. So, they’re going to be a bit more willing to player chicken than the NFLPA will.

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    One suggestion I heard to the proposed 17 game season, but for "player safety" any individual players could only play 16 games, would be to allow players to count the 16 games as part of 32 halfs-games, or maybe 64 quarters. And the rosters would be expanded even further by allowing another couple of players.

    Then, teams could sit a star like a Brady or Mahomes for the 4th quarter in games when they've got a comfortable lead, so fans could still get to see them - even if it only was for a half or so. It would make the coaches have to think a bit more, but it would also make the fantasy / gambling scenarios even harder to predict.

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    The Tom Brady free agency story is getting a lot of coverage. None of it is particularly interesting or informative but certain insiders like Jeff Darlington have said they'd be shocked if he returned to New England at this point. That seems like someone who is very easily shocked. Others have said the Patriots are waiting for the CBA to be settled to engage in negotiations. But anyway, just curious to do a straw poll here: who do you guys got, New England or the field? If the field, what's your best guess as to where he lands?

    I still have New England.

    If not here, I think the Chargers make a lot of sense but I have reservations that he would want to play in LA when his family is currently centered in the NYC area.

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    I will take the field.

    I am not sure where yet but I feel like if he and New England wanted to get the deal done it would have been done by this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The Tom Brady free agency story is getting a lot of coverage. None of it is particularly interesting or informative but certain insiders like Jeff Darlington have said they'd be shocked if he returned to New England at this point. That seems like someone who is very easily shocked. Others have said the Patriots are waiting for the CBA to be settled to engage in negotiations. But anyway, just curious to do a straw poll here: who do you guys got, New England or the field? If the field, what's your best guess as to where he lands?

    I still have New England.

    If not here, I think the Chargers make a lot of sense but I have reservations that he would want to play in LA when his family is currently centered in the NYC area.
    The field.

    1. Titans
    2. Chargers
    3. Raiders
    4. Niners

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    I take the Patriots still as well. Football isn’t kind enough to Miami for Brady to leave yet.

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    Free agency starting early. Tony Romo just got paaaaaaid

    Breaking: Tony Romo and CBS have agreed to a deal that will make him the highest paid NFL analyst in TV history in a deal that will pay him around $17 million per season, according to sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Free agency starting early. Tony Romo just got paaaaaaid

    Breaking: Tony Romo and CBS have agreed to a deal that will make him the highest paid NFL analyst in TV history in a deal that will pay him around $17 million per season, according to sources.
    Deservedly so. I actually get excited when I find out Romo is calling my game. He has a great grasp of what kind of insight that we fans want to hear/can understand. He's just dynamite.

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    All these people saying how Brady should sign with TN.

    It's becoming more real.

    Not a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    The Tom Brady free agency story is getting a lot of coverage. None of it is particularly interesting or informative but certain insiders like Jeff Darlington have said they'd be shocked if he returned to New England at this point. That seems like someone who is very easily shocked. Others have said the Patriots are waiting for the CBA to be settled to engage in negotiations. But anyway, just curious to do a straw poll here: who do you guys got, New England or the field? If the field, what's your best guess as to where he lands?

    I still have New England.

    If not here, I think the Chargers make a lot of sense but I have reservations that he would want to play in LA when his family is currently centered in the NYC area.
    You guys moving up then to take Tua away from us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Free agency starting early. Tony Romo just got paaaaaaid

    Breaking: Tony Romo and CBS have agreed to a deal that will make him the highest paid NFL analyst in TV history in a deal that will pay him around $17 million per season, according to sources.
    https://twitter.com/bryancurtis/stat...58330769883136
    My favorite fact, which I never get tired of re-upping, is that Madden made more than any NFL player in 94.The equivalent is ESPN paying Romo like $40 million per year.

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    I think in only two of his NFL seasons did he make more than 17 mil.

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    Romo is set to make eight times more talking about football than Prescott made last season playing football. Get paid, Dak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Romo is set to make eight times more talking about football than Prescott made last season playing football. Get paid, Dak.
    Romo is better at talking about football than Dak is at playing football.

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    Romo is set to make eight times more talking about football than Prescott made last season playing football. Get paid, Dak.
    I have to say, I can't believe Jerry doesn't seem more in on Dak. If he doesnt pay that man as soon as the CBA is announced he's being dumb. No Dak isn't perfect. But you can spend another 25 years trying to find one who is. Pay him, keep building around his strengths and try to win something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I have to say, I can't believe Jerry doesn't seem more in on Dak. If he doesnt pay that man as soon as the CBA is announced he's being dumb. No Dak isn't perfect. But you can spend another 25 years trying to find one who is. Pay him, keep building around his strengths and try to win something.
    Naw let him walk, draft a QB and keep paying guys at other positions.

    That would be my move as a GM over and over unless I drafted a generational guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    I have to say, I can't believe Jerry doesn't seem more in on Dak. If he doesnt pay that man as soon as the CBA is announced he's being dumb. No Dak isn't perfect. But you can spend another 25 years trying to find one who is. Pay him, keep building around his strengths and try to win something.
    Pay him and keep building around his strengths are kind of the crux of the problem..

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    See, I think the Skins and Giants are such dysfunctional organisations NOW that if you can buy another season from Dak with the franchise tag, you do. If they get better, and you have to imagine they eventually will, you don't want a big chunk of money wrapped up in a QB that isn't proven in a competitive division. He's been in a division which is 50% good and has reached the playoffs in 50% of his seasons. He's not over achieving to the tune of $40 million a year. 1-2 in play offs. No Conference game. Would they find better in the next couple of drafts? Maybe not. Can they find competent while retaining and rebuilding key pieces elsewhere? Probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Pay him and keep building around his strengths are kind of the crux of the problem..
    Feels like the defense sitting on its ass for 3 out of 4 quarters is the real problem in Dallas. But I only caught a couple games of theirs last season.

    Quarterback pay is what is in this league. Pay them or start over and probably don't get one as good as Dak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    Feels like the defense sitting on its ass for 3 out of 4 quarters is the real problem in Dallas. But I only caught a couple games of theirs last season.

    Quarterback pay is what is in this league. Pay them or start over and probably don't get one as good as Dak.
    Start over or stick with a guy who is around 14 or 15th best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Start over or stick with a guy who is around 14 or 15th best...
    14th or 15th can win you a SB if you have the other pieces.

    It's not that I like Dak all that much. But it's not like Jerry's getting any younger. If I'm him I don't want to wait another 5 years for someone else to develop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid_Planet View Post
    14th or 15th can win you a SB if you have the other pieces.

    It's not that I like Dak all that much. But it's not like Jerry's getting any younger. If I'm him I don't want to wait another 5 years for someone else to develop.
    Lamar had a shot in his 2nd and 3rd year. Mahomes was so close year 2 and won it year 3. Goff was there in year 3. A QB on a rookie deal is worth it. Paying for average QB play is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Lamar had a shot in his 2nd and 3rd year. Mahomes was so close year 2 and won it year 3. Goff was there in year 3. A QB on a rookie deal is worth it. Paying for average QB play is not.
    While all of those are true, it feels like you're trying to simplify a point that can't be simplified in light of this comparison. It's not like those QBs did it on their own. Lamar - strong run game, strong defense, smart coach. Mahomes - elite skill talent on the edge, conceptually-gifted scheme and coach. Goff - run game, offensive attack, tail end of a strong effort defensively.

    I can't begin to explain any kind of consistency Dallas has had in terms of their defense, principles on offense, and their coaching. They've had talent but it's never been close to cohesive. If anything, he's been more dependable or reliable out of everything that can be examined with them. I can't fathom anyone is saying Dak is elite, but he's not average either...and he's had far less to work with in terms of stability compared to your examples. The price you have to pay for QB play is what it is. They missed their window to capitalize on it but he's not a scrub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Lamar had a shot in his 2nd and 3rd year. Mahomes was so close year 2 and won it year 3. Goff was there in year 3. A QB on a rookie deal is worth it. Paying for average QB play is not.
    Well you have to consider why youre getting that play. For Dak you can look at his league average completion pct and his near top of the league yardage and understand pretty quickly that he's throwing too much and too deep down the field because of the holes his team keeps finding itself in.

    You may be right. I just see an above average talent that can win if you build your team right.

    All that being said, I'm skeptical of what Dallas can do to turn things around quickly. They've signed a lot of bad deals lately.

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    Is this Brady stuff finished now ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Is this Brady stuff finished now ffs.
    no but we are a mere 11 days away from the legal tampering window. get hyped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Is this Brady stuff finished now ffs.

    I wish it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    I wish it was.
    Enjoy it while it lasts buddy. There will come a time when the Patriots are a regular franchise again, without the greatest coach and quarterback of all time, and this kind of attention won't be coming our way. Whether Brady stays or leaves, whether the result is good or bad in my mind, I'm savoring the journey, even these potential last couple weeks. It's fun to get this much attention, it's fun to be the story. Let the media clowns give us their daily report on what their sources are telling them. If this is the end of the dynasty, it deserves that attention.

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    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve enjoyed this ride, and if it’s over, I think if they never win another while I live, I’m cool with six....

    but this whole “will he/won’t he” has been so tedious and annoying that I just want it done with. If he’s back, cool. If he’s not, thanks for the 6, and who is next?

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