1989 WWF Mafia

[Kneeneighbor]

Time for a new mafia game.

Bobby Heenan and Slick are seen talking in the back quietly. Heenan stands up and extends a hand. “Then its agreed, we will pool our resources to end Hulkamania and the Mega Powers once and for all.”

“That’s right, because the laws of wrestling dynamics say we are 8 mens, and they are 3 mens and 8 mens always beats 3 mens,” Slick says as he heads off to find Akeem and the Big Boss Man.

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Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage are meeting in another locker room. “That weasel has me worried brother, but I know that you have my back, and you know I have yours.”

“OHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!”

***Commercial Break***

Mean Gene is with Bobby Heenan, Andre the Giant, Haku, Harley Race, and Rick Rude.

“Bobby Heenan, what is the meaning of this? We saw you earlier conspiring with Slick!”

“Some call it conspiring but I call it being resourceful. There is no way Hogan is getting out of this one. It is time to end Hulkamania and have the true heroes of the World Wrestling Federation be known to the world.”

The group of heels laughs mennicily as they make their way off camera.


Sign ups open now. 12 spots
(Note Mean Gene is not an active player, just here to help move the story line along.

[Kneeneighbor]

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[Caito]

oh man.... going on a trip this weekend..... but late 80’s WWF....

Fuck it. In.

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[Dreyski]

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2. Stan Accy
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[Pablo Diablo]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
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[Mazer]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
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[Fro]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
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[Mazer]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Fro
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You'll be 5 and you'll like it

[Fro]

Fixed

[Kneeneighbor]

Okay 5 down 7 to go.

[JP]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
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[Badger]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
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[Jarrod1983]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
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[CWE]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
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[Kdestiny]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
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[kangus]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
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[Grimario]

Mafia sucks.




1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
12. Grimario

[JP]

[Kneeneighbor]

Alright we are full. I will not be able to send roles out until tonight. I will post again once they are all out and when you can confirm.

[Grimario]

Excellent.

Vote JP.

[Kneeneighbor]

Roles on their way do not confirm yet.

[Kneeneighbor]

All roles are out. Delete your name to confirm. Reminder my games are more about the logic puzzle and less about the flavor in the write up.

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
5. Fro
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
12. Grimario

[Fro]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
3. Pablo
4. Mazer
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
12. Grimario

[Pablo Diablo]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
4. Mazer
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
12. Grimario

[Mazer]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
11. Kangus
12. Grimario

[kangus]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
9. CWE
10. Kdestiny
12. Grimario

[Kneeneighbor]

I am heading to bed. If everyone confirms before I am back up we can start.

Usual rules will apply. 51% to lynch.

[CWE]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
10. Kdestiny
12. Grimario

[Kdestiny]

1. Caito
2. Stan Accy
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
12. Grimario

[Kneeneighbor]

Okay I forgot I was taking the test to get on Jeopardy! tonight. Just wrapped it up. In the mean time enjoy this promo by Slick, Akeem and the Boss Man

[Caito]

2. Stan Accy
6. JP
7. Badger
8. Jarrod1983
12. Grimario

[Badger]

2. Stan Accy
6. JP
8. Jarrod1983
12. Grimario

[Grimario]

2. Stan Accy
6. JP
8. Jarrod1983

[JP]

2. Stan Accy
8. Jarrod1983

[Jarrod1983]

2. Stan Accy

[Kneeneighbor]

@Stan Accy and we can start.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Awwww, son of a bitch, I missed this.

[Kneeneighbor]

@Psycho666Soldier if we dont hear from Stan soon we may need a replacement

[Psycho666Soldier]

@Psycho666Soldier if we dont hear from Stan soon we may need a replacement

Sign me up if need be.

[Kdestiny]

He is probably writing a letter to Eminem

[Dreyski]

Sorry, work and Friday night and all that.

OKGO

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Vote Kdes

[Kneeneighbor]

And we are off. 24 hours. 7 to lynch

1- Kdes (Stan)

[Fro]

Day 1 lynch or nah?

[kangus]

I'm always in favour of a day one lynch Froski but I've been rejected so many times and now I have no magic left in my heart.

[Fro]

I’m with you 100%

Vote: kangus

[kangus]

Reported.

[Dreyski]

Unvote.

Vote Kangus.

[Badger]

I’ll save judgment til kangus responds.

[Kneeneighbor]

2- Kangus (Fro, Stan)

[Mazer]

On day 1, it seems more likely to get a bad lynching.

Vote: no lynch

[Fro]

thats bullshit

[Mazer]

Why? You asked yes or no.

2 games in haven't seen where it's narrowed down mafia before 1st night.

[Pablo Diablo]

I’ll save judgment til kangus responds.

Love these comments on the Day 1 lynch discussion

No lynch

[Fro]

Why? You asked yes or no.

2 games in haven't seen where it's narrowed down mafia before 1st night.

nothing great is ever achieved without great risk

[Grimario]

Vote Mazer


Anyone using the "more likely to get a bad lynch on D1" reasoning is straight up bad. Whether that's bad as in Mafia or just bad at Mafia, that is yet to be determined.

[CWE]

You are more likely to hit town. But it's always good to get as much discussion as possible.

Vote JP

Rule #1...

[Mazer]

I don't know man. Any sport, any coach worth his salt tries to exploit the numbers advantage.




A three on one fast break is pretty great. Hard for me to want a probability give up a numbers advantage.

[Badger]

Love these comments on the Day 1 lynch discussion

No lynch

kangus can be hard to read at times. When I’ve played games with him, he can be passionately town.

[JP]

You are more likely to hit town. But it's always good to get as much discussion as possible.

Vote JP

Rule #1...

Ahhhhhhhhh...

[Grimario]

I don't know man. Any sport, any coach worth his salt tries to exploit the numbers advantage.




A three on one fast break is pretty great. Hard for me to want a probability give up a numbers advantage.

No lynch means N1 is completely blind. Our cop can't go "Grim dropped the hammer on that lynch without any discussion, that's pretty suss and I need to investigate" or "Grim is playing really gungho, I think he might be the cop and is shouting for protection" or "Grim looks like he is jumping about trying to get people started on different bandwagons, I need to investigate". You just get stuck going "well Grim is undoubtedly the best mafia player we have ever had on Rajah so on the off chance he is scum/cop/something important, I better act and choose him for my role". Instead of game related intuition, we just get actions based on past game actions which are useless.

Unless the cop hits scum (the same % chance as lynching scum on D1 with zero info) AND chooses to out themselves as our most important power role on D2, you start D2 with one dead townie almost guaranteed and as little info as D1... so yay, you get to do an almost blind lynch on D2 which people somehow justify despite having almost as little evidence as D1 when they refuse to blind lynch!

[Fro]

do you think vince mcmahon in 1989 would have hesitated to lynch on day 1? get real.

[Badger]

do you think vince mcmahon in 1989 would have hesitated to lynch on day 1? get real.

Couple of years earlier he would’ve told us to stand back.

[Grimario]

do you think vince mcmahon in 1989 would have hesitated to lynch on day 1? get real.

I don't really know. Was Vince mafia scum or a townie in 1989?

[JP]

No lynch means N1 is completely blind. Our cop can't go "Grim dropped the hammer on that lynch without any discussion, that's pretty suss and I need to investigate" or "Grim is playing really gungho, I think he might be the cop and is shouting for protection" or "Grim looks like he is jumping about trying to get people started on different bandwagons, I need to investigate". You just get stuck going "well Grim is undoubtedly the best mafia player we have ever had on Rajah so on the off chance he is scum/cop/something important, I better act and choose him for my role". Instead of game related intuition, we just get actions based on past game actions which are useless.

Unless the cop hits scum (the same % chance as lynching scum on D1 with zero info) AND chooses to out themselves as our most important power role on D2, you start D2 with one dead townie almost guaranteed and as little info as D1... so yay, you get to do an almost blind lynch on D2 which people somehow justify despite having almost as little evidence as D1 when they refuse to blind lynch!

Intuition

Vote: Grim

[Fro]

knee i think you have Hogan in green by mistake in the write up

[Badger]

Maybe Hogan got turned green by eating more vitamins and saying prayers.

[Kdestiny]

You are more likely to hit town. But it's always good to get as much discussion as possible.

Vote JP

Rule #1...

Not the worst idea, but I do think we apply a little pressure at least.

Vote Mazer

[Fro]

man btw I was 3 years old in 1989, did yall old asses watch back then or do we just know this era from going back and watching later. idek who a lot of these guys are

[Kneeneighbor]

Sorry Hogan should be red. Trying to get it through my head the Faces are red and heels are green.

2- Kangus (Fro, Stan)
2- Mazer (Grim, Kdes)
1- Grim (JP)
1- JP (CWE)
2- No Lynch (Mazer, Pabs)

[Grimario]

Intuition

Vote: Grim

Now now, just because you have left the EU, no need to take it out on me.

But at least if I do get lynched, it will give people something to look at and not just a random blind N1.

[Grimario]

man btw I was 3 years old in 1989, did yall old asses watch back then or do we just know this era from going back and watching later. idek who a lot of these guys are

I don't know half of these wrestlers and I was 10... wasn't until early 00's that I started watching.

The main streaming sport service here in Oz has just picked up the rights for all WWE stuff, so I might watch something in the near future.

[Kneeneighbor]

This is right when I started watching. I was 6.

[Mazer]

No lynch means N1 is completely blind. Our cop can't go "Grim dropped the hammer on that lynch without any discussion, that's pretty suss and I need to investigate" or "Grim is playing really gungho, I think he might be the cop and is shouting for protection" or "Grim looks like he is jumping about trying to get people started on different bandwagons, I need to investigate". You just get stuck going "well Grim is undoubtedly the best mafia player we have ever had on Rajah so on the off chance he is scum/cop/something important, I better act and choose him for my role". Instead of game related intuition, we just get actions based on past game actions which are useless.

Unless the cop hits scum (the same % chance as lynching scum on D1 with zero info) AND chooses to out themselves as our most important power role on D2, you start D2 with one dead townie almost guaranteed and as little info as D1... so yay, you get to do an almost blind lynch on D2 which people somehow justify despite having almost as little evidence as D1 when they refuse to blind lynch!

Best explanation of why I've seen. I can't get behind most of the do for the sake of doing, but I see your point.

My observation has been that tactically its too easy for the mafia to light bait, use light supports, or wait for someone else to and do just enough to get the wrong person. Very likely they all don't even have to vote for the elimination. From a practical perspective, I think there odds of going wrong are better than just the pure ratios.

Your point on intuitions is understood, but I'm not sure the collective group intuition is strong enough on day 1 to feel like it negates the advantage. It seems at least similarly likely for someone to have to grasp at mild intuitions.

Obviously night 1 is blind, but there's action and chances for logic/puzzle narrowing.

I get that its been two games, and I might be a bad player (I did role eliminate last time), and I think thats a very valid argument, but it still seems tilted to me. I guess it comes down to the perceived value of early reads.

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Vince 89 was definitely mafia scum.


This shouldn't even be an argument.

[Badger]

Vince 99 was the real mafia scum. Kidnapped his own daughter to be married to Taker just to mess with Austin.

[CWE]

Was Vince ever a face besides the invasion angle? Even as a commentator he was neutral.

[Badger]

Was Vince ever a face besides the invasion angle? Even as a commentator he was neutral.

Maybe initially when they had Bret push him around claiming he was getting screwed, but we all know the end result there...

[Badger]

Though to be honest, would take Vince’s overexcited “whatamaneuver!!” over some of the commentators we have today.

[Kneeneighbor]

I'm off to bed.

[Fro]

Intuition

Vote: Grim

I agree that Grim has come off the most scummy so far. I get scum vibes for him for sure. Mazer comes off far more clean to me.

UNVOTE.

Vote: Grim.

[Grimario]

Interesting. I had JP pegged as poking for a retaliatory reaction but didn't really expect anyone to jump on it this quickly.

[Grimario]

I agree that Grim has come off the most scummy so far. I get scum vibes for him for sure. Mazer comes off far more clean to me.

UNVOTE.

Vote: Grim.

Mazer comes off as a naive newbie, not someone who is clean. His innocence is actual innocence to the machinations of mafia, not in game innocence.

[Fro]

Mazer comes off as a naive newbie, not someone who is clean. His innocence is actual innocence to the machinations of mafia, not in game innocence.

I disagree. I think that if Mazer's scum he's playing it extremely well and I would salute him. It's possible but not likely. Now granted, I'm also surprised he's only played 2 games before. Is that true? Feels like he's been around for more.

You on the other hand are still reading scum. I think we shouldn't fuck around and should actually push through on your lynch. Let's end this game in short order, shall we town?

[Grimario]

I disagree. I think that if Mazer's scum he's playing it extremely well and I would salute him. It's possible but not likely. Now granted, I'm also surprised he's only played 2 games before. Is that true? Feels like he's been around for more.

You on the other hand are still reading scum. I think we shouldn't fuck around and should actually push through on your lynch. Let's end this game in short order, shall we town?

Still reading scum... because I think a D1 No Lynch is ever a good idea, like I have since day zero, 4 or 5 (or 6 or 7? Fuck, how long has it been?) years ago? If your view point is as simple as "you think D1 lynches are good, therefore you are scum" then you are deluded and I fear you are jumping on JP's "intuition" and trying to push an agenda.

[Grimario]

And I never said Mazer was scum. I stated that D1 No Lynch is shit and gave the reasoning for that. Mazer, in his defense, has replied to that and taken it on board, but is still skeptical about its benefit. Obviously, harder to be in favour of something when your head is the one on the chopping block, but conceptually he's aware of if not accepting of the reasoning.

[CWE]

Classic scum/scum disagreement. I'm watching you both.

[Grimario]

Classic scum "I'm watching you " post without actually adding anything

[Badger]

He’s hinted like this before and turned out to be good to be fair.

Also Mazer is exceedingly clever for being newish at this and won as scum. He should be watched.

[JP]

You are more likely to hit town. But it's always good to get as much discussion as possible.

Vote JP

Rule #1...

Was Vince ever a face besides the invasion angle? Even as a commentator he was neutral.

Classic scum/scum disagreement. I'm watching you both.

Well, CWE's scum all day long.

Unvote

Vote: CWE

[CWE]

Your read is wrong.

[Fro]

I don't have a read one way or the other on CWE

[Dreyski]

Obviously Grim's a bloody good mafia player and here he's taking Psycho's usual role of creating D1 conversation. Not getting a scummy read on that, even though a D1 no lynch isn't going in blind if we get interesting/valuable information from it in this phase.

[Caito]

Vote No Lynch


mkstly cuz I’m on the 10th hole at Bay Hill and just wanted to vote lol

[Dreyski]

I don't have a read one way or the other on CWE

I think posts the same way, and gives very little away regardless of alignment.

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ebwop I think he posts the same way

[Kneeneighbor]

1- Kangus ( Stan)
2- Mazer (Grim, Kdes)
1- Grim (Fro)
1- JP (CWE)
3- No Lynch (Mazer, Pabs, Caito)
1- CWE (JP)

[CWE]

Unvote
Vote no lynch

[Grimario]

Obviously Grim's a bloody good mafia player and here he's taking Psycho's usual role of creating D1 conversation. Not getting a scummy read on that, even though a D1 no lynch isn't going in blind if we get interesting/valuable information from it in this phase.

I think what you mean is I'm taking my usual role and Psycho just learnt from the best. Bloody hell, can't believe I've been forgotten like this.

And we only get information if people participate. When I get on the computer, I'll follow up with more... But it's currently 40 degrees and my study isn't air conditioned, so I'm avoiding it for a while.

[Grimario]

I think what you mean is I'm taking my usual role and Psycho just learnt from the best. Bloody hell, can't believe I've been forgotten like this.

And we only get information if people participate. When I get on the computer, I'll follow up with more... But it's currently 40 degrees and my study isn't air conditioned, so I'm avoiding it for a while.

Niece is watching some god awful tween TV show so 40 degree sauna with just a fan is preferable to that. Blergh.

Jarrod - 2 posts. Signed up, said he got his role, disappeared. Has not participated at all. He has posted less content in the thread than Psycho who isn't even playing.
Caito - 3 posts. Sign up, confirm and voted no lynch, lol, because he was busy playing golf and just wanted to vote, lol.
Pabs - 3 posts. Sign up, confirm, then voted no lynch with a comment about Badger's "I will wait till player X has responded before I give my thoughts" post.

That's the kind of lack of participation that flies in the face of "we get interesting/valuable information"... all you have to do is not bother posting and you cruise into D2 without problem.



Jarrod doesn't appear to have been on at all and Pabs is a lifelong member of the "wait and see" tribe (JD from Scrubs was also a member of this tribe... note to self, write up a Scrubs mafia) who foolishly favours a No Lynch. So of the 3 lowest participators, throwing a vote because "just wanted to vote lol" is the lowest value participation award.



Unvote
Vote Caito

[Fro]

FYI knee said 24 hours and we passed that point a few hours ago.

not that we'd be getting anywhere anyway. obviously headed for a no lynch. might as well get on with it.

[Grimario]

Ah shit. Didn't realise there was a 24 hour timer posted yesterday.

Still glad I posted. Got me to think about Scrubs Mafia which I feel we have probably maybe already done.

[Jarrod1983]

Busy day Grim. My daughter spent the night at a friend's house and there was a group of girls which always seems to lead to 13 year old lady drama.

I've been on but there doesn't really seem to be much going on other than the ever present day 1 lynch/no lynch conversation. I usually don't say much day 1 anyways as I like to wait and see what develops.