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    Raw Thread 1/20/20

    Here's the thread because whatever.



    First up, Man Bun Inc.


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    Raw just aint the same no more without an active top title to compete for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepiroth View Post
    Raw just aint the same no more without an active top title to compete for.
    Ain't no sunshine when its gone.




    Only dark pants, they remain

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    Jerry Lawler just said “fans”.

    Vince is pissed.

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    Rollins & Murphy should make a great tag team ����

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    Couple of rough botches in that match. Still pretty good, though.

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    That had a few boitches good match and please can Selina Vega go away

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    That had a few boitches good match and please can Selina Vega go away
    This had a few good words. Some botches.


    And no.

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    Selina Vega has done more for Andrade than Andrade has done for himself. I don't want her to go away, but I expect her to take a swing at Rey while she was blocking the the top of the ladder, then she'd fall, and to continue the stupid storyiine that Rey's agood guy, he'd go check on her while Andrade scurried up the ladder.

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    always a good time when the entrance lasts longer than the match

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    Time for Lesnar to go back to UFC already

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    �� Heyman, Lesnar who gives af - just bring out r truth already.

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    Another boring lesnar promo

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    I'm tired of him holding the top belt hostage.

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    claymore kick to the ring bell guy wow

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    Lol randy laughing after destroying that guy

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    I bet that was a shot at the chiefs player that ran over the referee and walked off the other way in a funny manner

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    I haven't seen a timekeeper take a bump in YEARS. I recall back in the early 80's, the Moon Dogs (not sure if it was Rex or Spot) in consecutive weeks, hit a ring announcer, then a timekeeper, then a ref, with their Bone - causing them to lose by DQ, but retain their tag titles. The following week, they came after TV announcer VKM to swing the bone at him, but his broadcast partner Pat Patterson, stepped in to stop the hijinks. The moon dogs were of course terrible rasslers, but they were solid heels with Lou Albano as their mouthpiece, and the fans hated them.

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    How much offense do you think they'd give Ricochet in a Lesnar match?

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    yay Monday night Jesus time

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    It’s a joke if Rollins and Murphy win the titles

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    Wow this is pathetic

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    would you rather see an actual tag team with the titles?
    Obviously Rollins would be going after the top title if it was around for him to go after

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    I kinda feel bad for AOP

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    Great move - unpredictable tag team - instant switch ����

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    ​AOP should of won it and it’s pathetic how hardy is being used as a jobber to Rowan

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    God she is awful on the mic

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    I think it's effective. It's similar to the Vickie Guerrero heel and just being really obnoxious.

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    I agree that Lana is effective in this role, but I am not looking forward to seeing her wrestle.

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    The only disappointing thing about Andrade/Mysterio was the fact that this company couldn't be competent enough to make this a PPV feud. These guys faced off at least 4-5 times over the course of the last year and they couldn't make more of it. The two commercials cheapened the vibe to an extent. Hopefully they have something in mind with Carrillo because he just seemed forced onto TV before they went the injury angle route.

    Good on Lesnar for finally realizing he's not the only one in the world who suffers pain when taking a shot in the pills.

    I would believe McIntyre had a legit shot at winning the rumble if they didn't have him harp on the fact he hasn't gotten an opportunity at a championship yet. They really lack subtlety. The match with Orton was pretty good, though.

    Buddy Murphy started in NXT as a tag team guy, eventually won tag team gold there and now he's a Raw tag champ....and the other guy is forgotten. That took the piss out of an eventual AOP/Viking Raiders feud but what's done is done. VRs reign was pretty bland. Sheesh...Rollins has been a tag champion six times with five different partners. That's bonkers.

    They've announced 22 of the 30 spots for the Rumble. Would presume 5-7 of those go to NXT and then the remaining go to surprises.

    Meanwhile, seven of 26 posts for this thread came from one person within the span of the episode. I think we're ready to go to one thread for the show as a whole lol.

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    Shit way to end Raw

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    Just imagine having a massive storyline dominating your show that involves a career resurgence for a main event star as he aligns with a dominating tag team who's been built for months through vignettes...and then having the non-tag team win the titles.

    Just...why?

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    Because Buddy Murphy > AOP

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    Yeah, I can't fault it. Changes up the usual stable trope, and leads to immediate possible dissension within the ranks as AOP protect the titles that they see as rightfully theres. Or you go the Freebird route. Either way, it's different, which is good.

    The Rumble match line-up shows how stacked the actual roster is at the minute, while it's healthy (is ANYBODY of any relevance, old man Jeff Hardy aside, on the shelf at the minute?). 22 announced, with Show, Kane, Andrade, Miz, Morrison, Big E and Kofi to add if they're not doing a tag title match presumably. That would be seven former winners (Roman, Orton, Brock, Braun, Nakamura, Rollins, Mysterio), an additional seven former recognised world champions (Show, Kane, Kofi, Owens, Miz, Ziggler, Styles), seven more with top titles in NXT or TNA (Lashley, Big E, Morrison, Black, McIntyre, Joe, Andrade). I'm presuming the women's match has more NXT representation, as I can't see any spaces in the men's unless there's a tag title match taking those 4 out.

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    First off, the Viking Raiders didn't deserve the titles anyway. They were barely over as the WWE couldn't decide how to book them.

    Congrats to Buddy Murphy for his first title

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    LOL @ Rollins and Murphy winning the tag-team titles. I haven't been down with a Rollins tag-team title run since he was in The Shield. Every other time has felt like 2 hours before the show Vince decided, "Let's have Seth win the tag-team titles tonight!"

    There are certain things that don't need fucked with and that's the stable dynamic where if you have a fucking tag-team they should be the tag-team champs. Especially AOP, who were fucking awesome in NXT and have been booked like dog shit since being called up. The last thing Raw's tag division needed was another makeshift tag-team championship team with Seth Rollins.

    Weird part is, this isn't Murphy's first title. It's his 3rd. But maybe they don't count the CW title despite it being on pay per views with the other brands.

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    Am I the only one who thinks Matt Hardy is going to stick with the WWE, and him tweeting about being nearly done is a way to fool us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    First off, the Viking Raiders didn't deserve the titles anyway. They were barely over as the WWE couldn't decide how to book them.

    Congrats to Buddy Murphy for his first title
    Third title?

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    Since Tony Nese beat Murphy for the CW title, shouldn't Seth Rollins have recruited Tony Nese? But then again, that guy who does power point presentations beat Tony Nese, and then Lio Rush beat that guy, and then Angel Garza beat Lio Rush so maybe Seth should be recruiting Angel Garza

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    I'm impressed that it took WWE a week to fuck up a cool stable by doing some "out of the box" shit. Yep, I'll gladly be the glass half empty guy on this particular booking decision. The only positive would be that somehow this leads to AOP turning on them and winning the tag belts. I imagine this will set up Joe/Owens v. Rolllins/Murphy for the tag-team titles next week where Owens and Joe will win them......

    I get it , some promoters don't care for tag-team wrestling but don't sabotage your own talent.

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    Maybe they're just not down with AOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Just imagine having a massive storyline dominating your show that involves a career resurgence for a main event star as he aligns with a dominating tag team who's been built for months through vignettes...and then having the non-tag team win the titles.

    Just...why?
    I'm willing to let it play out, mainly because it's going to lol. It's also baked in that Vince doesn't really care about tag teams. The ruse is that Rollins is a manipulator and radically egotistical so it would make sense that what happened last night actually happened. He wanted to expand his group, so he found that option in Murphy. He placated the new guy and propped his message up by giving that guy a title. Rollins ultimately wanted the shine so he put himself in the tag situation, not the obvious tag team in the group. If it's completely ignored and doesn't circle back around, it'll definitely be a problem. An issue I have with AOP and Rollins is I really don't know why AOP decided to join Rollins in the first place. I don't think that was ever really explained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm willing to let it play out, mainly because it's going to lol. It's also baked in that Vince doesn't really care about tag teams. The ruse is that Rollins is a manipulator and radically egotistical so it would make sense that what happened last night actually happened. He wanted to expand his group, so he found that option in Murphy. He placated the new guy and propped his message up by giving that guy a title. Rollins ultimately wanted the shine so he put himself in the tag situation, not the obvious tag team in the group. If it's completely ignored and doesn't circle back around, it'll definitely be a problem. An issue I have with AOP and Rollins is I really don't know why AOP decided to join Rollins in the first place. I don't think that was ever really explained.
    It really wasn't. Seth said originally he had nothing to with AOP attacking KO. But then he said after the fans insinuated that he did, he said fuck it and aligned himself with AOP to spite the fans right? So why did AOP attack JUST Kevin Owens?

    I'll tell you what, if this is a way to bring Shane McMahon back in to get revenge on KO for getting him fired, I'll shit myself.

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    At least AOP is doing better than whatever the fuck that was with the Street Profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I'm willing to let it play out, mainly because it's going to lol. It's also baked in that Vince doesn't really care about tag teams. The ruse is that Rollins is a manipulator and radically egotistical so it would make sense that what happened last night actually happened. He wanted to expand his group, so he found that option in Murphy. He placated the new guy and propped his message up by giving that guy a title. Rollins ultimately wanted the shine so he put himself in the tag situation, not the obvious tag team in the group. If it's completely ignored and doesn't circle back around, it'll definitely be a problem. An issue I have with AOP and Rollins is I really don't know why AOP decided to join Rollins in the first place. I don't think that was ever really explained.
    Same. I'd like to see where this goes. Just tired about the end of the show and Lashley always seemingly getting the 1-up on Rusev. Outside of Rusev popping up out of the cake this hasn't done anything to make me think they'll do much with Rusev. Should've ended the show with Rollins & Murphy winning the tag titles instead.

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    The Rusev/Lashley stuff is going exactly how I thought it would go: next to no heat for an actual match (or matches), the matches themselves aren't that good or memorable, and the gaga leading up the matches has hit its expiration date.

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    On one hand I want to commend the WWE for giving Rusev and Lashley an actual storyline but on the other, it's this kind of a storyline.

    The problem is that the curtain has been pulled so far back that it's only believable to the completely unaware. Young kids, super casuals like my ex-gf who hit me up and was like "Are they really getting a divorce?" because she saw something shared on social media.

    But as time goes on, the level of kayfabe that is needed for this storyline to actually work-even with the hideous "acting" from everyone involved-it doesn't exist. You think it was bad back in the 80's when older folks would tell me "You know it's fake right?" and being fucking depressed at 7 knowing Barbarian didn't really big boot Smash!?!? Try today where it's not just fake, but that they're all friends and take pictures on vacation together.

    Pro wrestling is to the mainstream as thrash metal is to pop music. All that technique and high impact and fast paced "music" but almost no substance. And what substance there is caters to a very specific type of person. Ask Metallica how they wound up becoming one of the biggest bands period in music. It wasn't because of Hit the Lights and Blackened, it's because they slowed it way down and gave you Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters.

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    Vince is hoping for a repeat of the 90s, where storylines led to break-ups.


    He has never forgiven Lana/CJ for destroying the Ziggler feud via social media.



    It also ties into the masterplan he's initiating with Mandy/Otis. How much more obvious can he make it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Vince is hoping for a repeat of the 90s, where storylines led to break-ups.


    He has never forgiven Lana/CJ for destroying the Ziggler feud via social media.



    It also ties into the masterplan he's initiating with Mandy/Otis. How much more obvious can he make it?
    lol.

    I can't forgive you for ruining that storyline, so let's just give you 100x more camera time as punishment! HAHA good shit-Vince McMahon

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    I will say this...That crowd sucked. The ladder match suffered the most because of this. Dude gets DDTd through a ladder and like 5 people were in amazement lol.

    One thing that I've noticed with Seth Rollins is that it seems the WWE always wants him to be a champion. For the most part of his career for the last 6-7 years he's had a title of some kind. I'll even include the MITB briefcase that he had for 8 months. They'll always throwing him in random tag-teams to get the tag gold, or he'll have the World title or a midcard title to play with. I mean shit, he wouldn't even go to NXT if he wasn't the champion. So I have to assume Vince and co. were like, shit, it's been 5-6 months we need to hurry up and find a title for Seth to wear!

    Idk. I want to like the decision but Seth's been in so many random tag-teams just for the fuck of it, I have a hard time getting into the idea. Especially when you have a badass team like AOP, who have for the most part been booked like assholes since joining the main roster.

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    They should have at least put Seth and Buddy in a few tag matches before giving them the gold. Have them show they are worthy, rather then getting a shot right out the gate.

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    I don't know. Buddy was getting over with the crowd-not major, but he's a good worker. I think they need to give them things that continue to piss people off, so they stay solid as true heels.

    If they actively defend, some illegitimate wins could establish some of the tag teams as being strong, but build heat for....The messiah and the disciples? seth and the angels? The Cult (but not of personality)?



    Also, agree that the crowd was crap.

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    Maybe Razar will win the Rumble and the other one will be US champion to balance this nonsense out.

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    Wasn't Razar one of the Ninja Turtles 2 dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Wasn't Razar one of the Ninja Turtles 2 dudes.
    Ah I guess dude spells it REZAR not RAZAR but they are pronounced almost the same. Dude I'm Super Shredder I need my babies to fuck up these Jumpin Jeff Farmer lookin motherfuckers.

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    It's like in the song Block Rockin' Beats by the Chemical Brothers, he says "We're about ready to rocksteady" but I always say "We're about ready to bebop" and then I go into full Cyndi Lauper mode, but that's she-bop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Wasn't Razar one of the Ninja Turtles 2 dudes.
    lol.

    my 6 year old found this movie on netflix 2 nights ago, and wanted to watch. Still not sure who would win in a fight between tokka and rahzar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    lol.

    my 6 year old found this movie on netflix 2 nights ago, and wanted to watch. Still not sure who would win in a fight between tokka and rahzar
    Vanilla Ice is always the answer. We all know the real reason Super Shredder was defeated, those sick beats.

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    Ninja Rap may be the greatest song not named Braun Strowman's Theme.

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    After the Turtle Power Rap from the first movie, I didn't think there was anywhere to go but down (despite the song misidentifying the leader).


    Wow-was I wrong. The Ninja Rap was next level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    After the Turtle Power Rap from the first movie, I didn't think there was anywhere to go but down (despite the song misidentifying the leader).


    Wow-was I wrong. The Ninja Rap was next level
    Holy shit it's been forever since I heard the Turtle Power song and yeah they did have the wrong leader. The only thing i can think of is a lot of times these songs are written while they watch the movie or after seeing it so I could understand why they felt Raph was the leader. He had the most camera time of the 4.

    The group that did the song was called Partnerz in Kryme. That's some old school rap shit for sure lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    After the Turtle Power Rap from the first movie, I didn't think there was anywhere to go but down (despite the song misidentifying the leader).


    Wow-was I wrong. The Ninja Rap was next level
    New shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    After the Turtle Power Rap from the first movie, I didn't think there was anywhere to go but down (despite the song misidentifying the leader).


    Wow-was I wrong. The Ninja Rap was next level
    I firmly recall a bunch of us kids losing our minds when Raphael was mentioned as the leader.

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    And whaddaya know, on the new Rise of the TMNT show, he is the leader. And people WILL NOT HAVE IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    And whaddaya know, on the new Rise of the TMNT show, he is the leader. And people WILL NOT HAVE IT.
    What does Leo do?

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