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    Wilfred's Debate 2020: Official Sign-Up and Discussion Thread

    Rajahites, its time.


    Time to just stop practicing your arguments on how intergender matches are reflections of society. Time to stop playing around with debating whether Dolph Ziggler should go to AEW, or whether Cody will be an asset as a booker.

    Stop just thinking about how you wish you could invent a time machine trade Rowdy Roddy Piper into the Attitude roster, and how that would be WAY BETTER than someone doing the same with Bruno Sammartino.


    Its time to get real with this shit. And determine who the real king of IWC debaters is.


    That's right kids.


    The greatest internet wrestling debate is back.


    Wilfred's Debate has returned




    This debate is a Rajah institution.

    This is the tournament where the cocky get humbled by some old guns. And those old guns ride on, right until some young gun with a dream and a keyboard knocks them on their ass.

    Names are about to be made, and some legacies are about to cemented.


    This has been a lot of fun for a lot of years, and its time for installment 14.


    My noted debate tag team partner Mazer and I wanted to get this year's version off and running, and run the tournament this year. We've both won previously, and look forward to running the tournament consistent with the past, but potentially adding a few wrinkles.



    To establish a baseline (thanks for consolidating these previously Cewsh):

    - The tournament is conducted as an elimination style tournament. Think the NCAA Basketball tournament, just with fewer players.

    - The first round of debates will be comprised of 2 posts by each competitor, each with a word cap of 350 words (word cap and post count may increase in later rounds). It used to be 3 posts in every tie including the first round but this is a new thing to try and speed things up a bit. Also the first round questions should not be too hard just to ease people in but will increase in difficulty when we get into the later rounds.

    - All posts must be staggered. You can't make your next post until the other debater has had their turn.

    - Pictures, gifs and videos can be used in literally unlimited amounts to support your point. Information should be self-contained within your post. For example, you can't post a link to an article and expect people to go read it. Quote it in your post.

    - The winner of each tie will be chosen equally from 4 sources. 3 selected judges who will PM there votes to Mazer and myself and a public vote where readers can post who they won. Each judge's vote will be worth one point to the total score and the combined public vote will count as one point.

    - If there is a 2-2 score in the total score of a tie after all the judging and public voting, then either myself, Maxer or perhaps a mystery judge will be asked to step in and break the tie.

    - All votes must be backed up with solid reasoning. Anyone who just says stuff in their votes like "I voted for Mikey just because his argument was better or I agree with him" will be asked to elaborate on their vote further before it can be counted.

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    Ideally looking for 16 participants so we can get 4 rounds. I or perhaps Mazer could join in participating to make the numbers up but that is just in the event that numbers are short. We would be looking to start after the Royal Rumble so there is plenty time for sign ups so hopefully it won't have to come to that.

    No prerequisites needed. Anyone can sign up. Now then, who's in?

    Sign up below if you want to be a participant or a judge.

    Judges:
    Jarrod1983
    virmicious
    Psycho666Soldier

    Participants :
    kdestiny
    3puppies
    Nash Diesel
    Peter Griffin
    mth
    Donald
    Mikey_Jones
    BBF
    Spudz MacKenzie
    Romford Pele
    Kev
    The Diamond
    Huss Huss Huss
    Rusty Shackleford
    Defrost
    Gangers
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    I can be a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I can be a judge.


    You're in as a judge. Will edit the sign-ups onto the first post as we go.

    Also I know a couple of peoole were interested in the prior thread, but sign-ups need to be confirmed in here.

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    I can judge as well.

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    Depending on how many judges you need, I can step in. I think I will have to forego debating this year, though.

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    Thanks guys that’s the judging panel sorted.

    Just looking for players now!

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    I will throw my hand in - it was fun pinch-hitting last year.

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    3 players in, 13 spaces left.

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    As a reminder, this year's winner will receive this fabulous trophy mailed to their home address.







    Or it could be another address of your choosing I guess. PO Box. Parent's house. Significant other. Some enemy you want to taunt in a weird way. Your place of business. I'm not here to judge.....






    Unless we are talking about these very debates, and then I am here to judge.

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    Now if that’s not an incentive to sign up, then I don’t know what is! Nicer than the POTTY prize!

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    There isn't a POTTY prize anymore to be fair

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    Nicer than any POTTY prize there ever was then*

    Looks like this will just be a triole threat at the moment lol

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    Tag folks who have done it before, I mean I'll do it if needed even though I suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Tag folks who have done it before, I mean I'll do it if needed even though I suck.
    There's still a bit of time but if nothing further this week then yeah I'll do that.

    Also a thread sticky may help so it doesn't drop down the page @mth @Pablo Diablo @Version 6

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    Thanks.

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    Fuck it, I'll give this another go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Does not suck at this, I've put him in along with mth.

    More importantly how about you sir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Tag folks who have done it before, I mean I'll do it if needed even though I suck.
    Don't be so hard on yourself. I remember you being quite formidable in your first run. Experience only makes you stronger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Don't be so hard on yourself. I remember you being quite formidable in your first run. Experience only makes you stronger
    Peter's debut run was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Does not suck at this, I've put him in along with mth.

    More importantly how about you sir?
    My problem is I have a clear point of view and have an argument in my head but when I got to debate I suck at putting it all into words. Or I'll start out strong and fizzle out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    My problem is I have a clear point of view and have an argument in my head but when I got to debate I suck at putting it all into words. Or I'll start out strong and fizzle out
    You've managed to win ties though. Also as Psycho just said, experience only makes you stronger. It's all about pacing yourself.

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    Ok, I'm in as long as I don't have a topic where I would have to debate against my monster, Braun Strowman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Ok, I'm in as long as I don't have a topic where I would have to debate against my monster, Braun Strowman.
    Deal.

    Everyone else get these hands!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Don't be so hard on yourself. I remember you being quite formidable in your first run. Experience only makes you stronger
    Too kind

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    I think it's only fair that I get a bye

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    Joking aside, it does raise a point. If someone fails to post within the allotted timeline then the opponent who did post would get a bye.

    Keeping timelines strict this year even if posts are uneven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think it's only fair that I get a bye
    I got you covered


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I think it's only fair that I get a bye
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    I got you covered
    I'll do you one better...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Joking aside, it does raise a point. If someone fails to post within the allotted timeline then the opponent who did post would get a bye.

    Keeping timelines strict this year even if posts are uneven.
    To modify a quote from a famous governor, I ain't got time to joke.

    Ok I'm kidding, and thank you Mazer and mth for the spank bank material which I will use to properly prep multiple victories I will achieve this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I'll do you one better...
    That ain't no lie

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    Need 9 more hardy souls to make 16.

    After the weekend I'll start tagging past participants to see if there's more interest and hopefully after next week we can get sign-ups wrapped up and the draw/schedule posted. Will insert myself in it need be.

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    Sounds painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Sounds painful.
    Yeah.

    Hey Romford, never seen you in these. Fancy giving it a go? Could always use fresh blood!

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    I typically like to reach out to some newer posters, and invite them to give it a go.

    Any recommendations?

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    Not new exactly, but a few guys who have been around the block but never competed but probably would be great at this:

    @PurePlayer @Rancid_Planet @Bagel, open invitation if you fancy it. Would love to see you guys in action!
    @Murphy too

    I’ll go to older hands after that, but would love to see at least one of these guys accept so we got a mix. However any other new guys that also fancy a go, you’re all welcome.
    Last edited by Badger; January 10th, 2020 at 7:54 PM.

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    If you don't get one of those guys signing up then I'll go this year @Badger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    If you don't get one of those guys signing up then I'll go this year @Badger.
    Thanks. I haven’t heard anything from them yet plus you were one of the past guys I was going to ask so yeah I’ll put you in.

    8 more needed.

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    I think we need to recruit @corinoismybestfriend.

    I'd also love to see @Spudz Mackenzie show us how his debate skills actually measure up after all the flak he's been catching.

    Get @Morrison in and make that a first round tie.
    Last edited by Psycho666Soldier; January 12th, 2020 at 4:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I think we need to recruit @corinoismybestfriend.

    I'd also love to see @Spudz Mackenzie show us how his debate skills actually measure up after all the flak he's been catching.

    Get @Morrison in and make that a first round tie.
    I don't debate things like wrestling. Don't get me wrong, I love wrestling and I've been a fan since the late-90's. But, I don't take it seriously enough as an entity to get involved in something like this. I'm willing to give my thoughts on it, praise who I like and rip off Jim Cornette's jokes to make fun of guys I don't like. But I'm not the kind of guy who gets into deep thinking sessions about it.

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    ... all that being said. Fuck it.

    I'm in.



    If there's anything I enjoy more than wrestling, its pointless arguing.

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    I look forward to see what you bring to the "table" Spudz....

    Sorry couldn't help it! Any questions though, give us a shout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I look forward to see what you bring to the "table" Spudz....

    Sorry couldn't help it! Any questions though, give us a shout.
    Do I have to answer in the form of a question?

    Also, when do I start and who am I competing against?

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    Keen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Do I have to answer in the form of a question?

    Also, when do I start and who am I competing against?
    Will post ties/schedule once sign-ups are done.

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    You lot still looking for volunteers?

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    Cheers for the invite @Badger

    I may be up for a future one, just don't have the time at the moment.

    Will try my best to read them this time around though.

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    Spending all your free time considering not dropping the WWE Network?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    You lot still looking for volunteers?
    Absolutely.

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    I will do it if you still need numbers then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    I will do it if you still need numbers then.
    Okay you’re in.

    We need 6 more people, I’ll tag the rest of the list from last year to see if they’re interested this year. Not all of these guys might still be active but just on the off chance they come back and want to join in:

    @JP @Defrost @Kneeneighbor @kangus @Jordo @The Diamond @G @Kotre @Judas Iscariot

    Anyone not tagged and wants to sign up before any of these guys respond, please feel free to do so. It’s still first come first served.

    Okay can’t tag G, curse the short name lol

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    Thanks for the consideration, but I wouldn't be able to commit fully with other things I've got coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Thanks for the consideration, but I wouldn't be able to commit fully with other things I've got coming up.
    Understood.

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    nice. Welcome back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Keen!
    Put me in coach

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    You're in. But please refer to me as Sensai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Put me in coach
    My bad Kev, I thought you were talking to Spud and meant was keen lol! You and Diamond are added.

    Just 4 more needed, we can do this! I’ll do the draw as soon as this is completed.

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    Let me in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huss Huss Huss View Post
    Let me in.
    Never had anyone sign up in their first post before, however we welcome all new blood though so welcome aboard. Hope you make an impact.

    If you have any questions about this works, then please let us know.

    PS cool Berzerker username!

    Just need 3 now.

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    Welcome Huss Huss Huss. This could be the greatest debut of all-time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Welcome Huss Huss Huss. This could be the greatest debut of all-time.
    Overtaking me

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    Think I will leave sign-ups open til the end of the week at the latest in the hopes we get 16. Need to crack on with ties and schedule after that.

    If somehow we don’t, then I have an idea or two for a workaround which I’ll run by Mazer.

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    @Mazer clear your PM box please.

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    Don't tell me my business.


    But yes, I did clear pm space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    Don't tell me my business.


    But yes, I did clear pm space.

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    I've read this forum close to every working day for the past 6 or 7 years, lurking and not posting. Always enjoy the debates and would like to take part. Mind you, I've only ever watched WWE so depending on what you have planned, that might count me out.

    Equally, if you want to wait and see if another few regular posters want to sign up then that's cool too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford View Post
    I've read this forum close to every working day for the past 6 or 7 years, lurking and not posting. Always enjoy the debates and would like to take part. Mind you, I've only ever watched WWE so depending on what you have planned, that might count me out.

    Equally, if you want to wait and see if another few regular posters want to sign up then that's cool too.
    Not all man, you got in here first. First come, first served. We love new blood as well as regulars. Would love to see what you can do!

    Lots of wild cards this here and honestly this makes it more exciting.

    Just need 2! If these get filled up quick, will do a draw tonight or tomorrow.

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    Nice one, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford View Post
    I've read this forum close to every working day for the past 6 or 7 years, lurking and not posting. Always enjoy the debates and would like to take part. Mind you, I've only ever watched WWE so depending on what you have planned, that might count me out.

    Equally, if you want to wait and see if another few regular posters want to sign up then that's cool too.
    I've also only ever watched WWE, cause quite frankly, everything else looks like it sucks. Long live Vince McMahon.

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    All questions will be WWE only. I think it’s only fair especially to our newer competitors.

    Will probably delve deeper into WWE history the more this goes on but the first round anyway with 2 posts each per tie will be gentle.
    Last edited by Badger; January 15th, 2020 at 6:13 PM.

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    The hell with it. I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    The hell with it. I'm in.
    One moooore!!!!

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    If I draw Frosty I call conspiracy

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    The lurkers often go far. They're not always caught up in thread style argument posts-which typically don't work as well. Looking forward to Rusty Shackleford's Wilfred's debut.



    Welcome back Defrost. Love to see you in these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    If I draw Frosty I call conspiracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazer View Post
    The lurkers often go far. They're not always caught up in thread style argument posts-which typically don't work as well. Looking forward to Rusty Shackleford's Wilfred's debut.



    Welcome back Defrost. Love to see you in these.
    Yes this is true. I remember one time the_man_diva signed up and was drawn against him and he seemed to not post anywhere else except the Women’s Wrestling forum. He gave me a hell of a fight though on his debut and he went on to perform really well in future debates.

    Wonder who’s going to be the John Cena #30 Rumble guy to take the last spot here? Counting down the buzzer....

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    It's ME, Badger! It was me, ALL ALONG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    It's ME, Badger! It was me, ALL ALONG!
    JR: "Awwww son of a bitch!"

    Glad to have you aboard if you're in.

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    Okay we got a full 16 it looks like!

    I'll draw and post the line-up tomorrow.

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    Draw is coming up very shortly!

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    Really glad the interest picked up here.

    I'm going to bloody read these, I swear.

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    Draw and dates. This is a doozy!

    @Romford Pele vs @3puppies - Monday 27th-Thursday 30th January
    @Nash Diesel vs @kdestiny - Monday 27th-Thursday 30th January
    @Peter Griffin vs @Kev- Tuesday 28th-Friday 31st January
    @mth vs @Mikey_Jones - Tuesday 28th-Friday 31st January
    @Spudz Mackenzie vs @The Diamond - Monday 3rd-Thursday 6th February
    @Gangers vs @BBF - Monday 3rd-Thursday 6th February
    @Huss Huss Huss vs @Donald - Tuesday 4th-Friday 7th February
    @Rusty Shackleford vs @Defrost - Tuesday 4th-Friday 7th February

    Tentative schedule to start after the Royal Rumble. I’ve deliberately avoided weekend dates as it’s usually quieter on a weekend.

    If there’s any problems with these dates, please let us know ASAP and we can swap about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Really glad the interest picked up here.

    I'm going to bloody read these, I swear.
    While watching NXT on the WWE Network, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    While watching NXT on the WWE Network, hopefully.
    I get NXT on BT now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I get NXT on BT now.
    Table for 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Table for 3?
    Ha, I do like the odd episode, but I can live without it.

    I'd rather watch some shit on Netflix. Currently enjoying Safe.

    We're getting off topic here, Donald.


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    Yeah let the draw trash-talking err discussion commence!

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    It should say @Huss Huss Huss vs. @Huff Huff Huff since that's what I do after walking up a flight of fucking stairs.

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    Iowa boys.

    Best of luck ND

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    Iowa boys.

    Best of luck ND
    Noticed that when I was doing the draw heh, no worries about a time zone clash there! Nothing like a local derby to spice things up!

    I’m pleased how this draw has turned out. Think mth/Mikey could also be a show-stealer, tough first match for Mikey to retain his title. I don’t believe anyone has ever retained the title in Wilfred’s before.

    Gangers/BBF could be a great match too, all UK match up.

    Donald has a complete wild card and I hope the Berzerker does turn up. Rusty thrown in at the deep end against Defrost but Rusty’s lurked for years and could pull something special. It’s also an advantage the newer guys are going on later too so they can see how this works for their ties.

    Kev is an old vet who used to do this back in the day and Pete does well in these debates and just been a bit unlucky. Diamond and 3puppies got to the semis last year and face stiff competition against Rom and fellow newcomer Spudz who does a lot of old school posts.

    Very interesting draw and really looking forward to it!

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    The chase for the cup begins

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    So is this Defrost fella pretty good then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford View Post
    So is this Defrost fella pretty good then?
    He has a great all round wrestling knowledge and been in every Wilfred’s tournament and has a way of getting to the point without saying too much. If this were anything but WWE you’d definitely be struggling but this is WWE only. By his own admission, he’s not a great WWE fan these days but he knows enough to keep up.

    You have your work cut out a bit but if you keep up with the current product that could help plus with the first round just being 2 posts a piece anything can happen. 3 days so take your time and choose your words carefully.

    Oh that reminds me. For the newer guys here, there is a strict no editing rule. What you put in your post is what will count so be careful with your words. Also no going over the word count please.

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    The rules will be posted during each tie too.

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