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    Monday Night RAW - 12/2/2019

    - Seth Rollins has an apology to say
    - Charlotte vs Kabuki Warriors - handicappedmatch

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    Good intro to the show this week.
    We'll see how deep these respect games go with AOP...

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    Since when can you say bullshit on TV?

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    I don't know.
    Apparently, you can say ass but not h*le and it's okay to say people bitch

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    Loving this

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    Hell of an opening.

    I think Lashley and Lana getting arrested is what a lot of people wanted to see

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    Akira Tozawa is just awesome. Wish he'd won more though.

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    Nese vs Black is a match I think a lot of people wanted to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by corinoismybestfriend View Post
    Nese vs Black is a match I think a lot of people wanted to see
    Yes, Tony Nese is my third favorite wrestler after Braun and Apollo Crews. Happy to see him on Raw even though he'll lose.

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    I think Nese and Jay White should trade places but I guess they're fine where they are...

    EDIT - this RAW sure is jobberific. I'm digging Erick "Willard" Rowan...
    Last edited by corinoismybestfriend; December 2nd, 2019 at 10:51 PM.

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    Make your mind of king you felt so sorry for rusev and now you want him arrest god so dumb

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    Why is there 2 heel announcers makes no sense Samoa joe was stalking AJ’s wife last year and now he is his biggest fan

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    That was definitely a filler episode, slowly progressing things.

    The biggest takeaway was that Dio Maddin has gotten Wally Pipped. Joe is good at commentating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Make your mind of king you felt so sorry for rusev and now you want him arrest god so dumb
    *Arrested

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    I really enjoyed RAW. It was pleasant to see Akira Tozawa, Tony Nese, and Eric Young on the show, even though it was obvious they weren't going to win. I was though very happy to see them get some offense in. Why you wouldn't push Tony Nese, who has the look of a God and the skills of a God is beyond me.

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    Bingo.

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    I'll take an 8-pack, count them, over a personality any day

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    I think Tony Nese is far too sincere to be a douche
    Just like Seth Rollins is too sincere to be a douche
    And Jay White is the genuine douche we're being fed by WWE
    But really they're all douches

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    Why the fuck are people confused as the why Lashley got arrested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Make your mind of king you felt so sorry for rusev and now you want him arrest god so dumb
    Word on that shit, yo.

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    Who would win a fight between Robocop and Inspector Gadget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post

    The biggest takeaway was that Dio Maddin has gotten Wally Pipped. Joe is good at commentating.
    Pro Wrestling Sheet is reporting Maddin is off the commentary team; Joe is in the role until his injury is healed.

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    Joe is very good at commentary - but Joe is good at everything he does. They should have let him wear the wrist brace on commentary for a while, though. Then, after it is fully healed, he should still wear it, and someone like Drew should come over to commentary and suggest Joe is washed up or something, hiding behind the TV announcer desk. Joe should then break the wrist cast open over his opponent's skull. Whattya know, it feels better already.

    I am surprised that Lawlor is still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Joe is very good at commentary - but Joe is good at everything he does. They should have let him wear the wrist brace on commentary for a while, though. Then, after it is fully healed, he should still wear it, and someone like Drew should come over to commentary and suggest Joe is washed up or something, hiding behind the TV announcer desk. Joe should then break the wrist cast open over his opponent's skull. Whattya know, it feels better already.

    I am surprised that Lawlor is still around.
    He's not good at staying injury free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    Why the fuck are people confused as the why Lashley got arrested?
    I'm confused why the police didn't even make an attempt to stop rusev or go after him

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    I'm going to watch Raw tonight but I wanted everyone to know that my son and I will be attending the double taping of Raw on Dec 16th here in Des Moines. Yep, DOUBLE Raw motherfuckers. The 12/23 Raw will be here as well, I assume they're doing this for the Christmas holiday. I can't wait because the way we're thinking it's going to happen is they'll tape the 12/16 Raw first and then the 23rd, and they won't have to worry about gaps for commercials for the most part because they can just do all that in post production.

    We at first were like, holy fuck we're going to be for 6 hours but the doors are only opening about an hour earlier than advertised currently.

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    But it's Wednesday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    But it's Wednesday?
    That's what I thought was kind of strange but I know this wouldn't be the first time they've pre-taped Raw for the holidays and pulled a double header.

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    The funny thing is I really didn't want to go. My mom called me, my birthday is December 12th so she wanted to do something "cool" and tickets were about to go on sale. She's like "well maybe your oldest would want to go" so that sold me since we hadn't been to a show together in 5-6 years. Not since Triple H fired Cody Rhodes for losing to WWE champ Randy Orton lol.

    So this past weekend I'd been holding out on telling him, wanting it to be this huge surprise and the kid already fucking knew about it!! Apparently my mom called him FIRST lol, asking if she bought tickets would he go with his dad lol. Slick ass kids.

    We'll be sitting 4th row facing the entrance which I don't think in all the years and all the shows that I've ever been on that side. Hopefully a motherfucker does a run in or they start brawling, something wild, right next to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolph View Post
    Who would win a fight between Robocop and Inspector Gadget?
    Everyone.

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    Thoughts on Raw

    Holy fucking shit that opening segment was arguably the worst segment in Raw history. Bliss-Bayley This is Your Life might have lost the championship. The fucked up part of me saying that though is that I actually liked the part where they were both arrested. Most of this angle is dogshit, I like Rusev and Lashley throwing down but it's just fucking terrible...but again, for some reason I found slight enjoyment in Lana getting arrested.

    But Seth was just as terrible before that.....And again, I actually like the concept, but the delivery on SETH'S part is lackluster at the moment. He doesn't play a good "I'm about to turn heel" type heel lol. It's too obvious.

    I was a fan of the squash with Drew and Akira. I liked the 6-man with the OC v. Rey, Humberto, and Ricochet. Surprisingly the 2-1 handicap match with Charlotte v. Kabuki Warriors was IMHO the best match of the night. When has anyone ever said that about a handicap match? Lol.

    All in all, the opening fucking sucked for the most part but the rest of the show was solid. Samoa Joe is made for commentary. His voice, his articulation, and what he brings from a wrestler's POV=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    I think Seth is doing a fantastic job in his current role. I don't think he is supposed to be convincing. we are supposed to see through his shit like KO does.

    As for the Rusev angle, while I am not a big fan of it, the fans are giving it a reaction and cheering Rusev on and booing Lana and Lashley. The same for the Starrcade show. The Bliss/Bayley segment got zero reaction and the fans shit on it. Here the fans cheered and booed like they were supposed to.

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    Seth Rollins was great. He's slowly getting me to care about him again, after a few months of eh he's there. I think a heel run will do wonders for him, plus he can use his knowledge from over the years to help AOP out. I'd add a fourth person too, make it a solid faction. I miss factions god damn.

    What if the have Seth and AOP feud with the OC? That may be cool, but then you'd have to turn AJ face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I think Seth is doing a fantastic job in his current role. I don't think he is supposed to be convincing. we are supposed to see through his shit like KO does.

    As for the Rusev angle, while I am not a big fan of it, the fans are giving it a reaction and cheering Rusev on and booing Lana and Lashley. The same for the Starrcade show. The Bliss/Bayley segment got zero reaction and the fans shit on it. Here the fans cheered and booed like they were supposed to.
    I know we're supposed to see right through it. That's what I'm saying, he's doing a shit job of doing that. It's almost TOO phony, he's overselling what he's supposed to be doing.

    I'll be honest man, I get sucked into "Oh but the fans this the fans that" while forgetting I'm a fucking fan as well lol. Sometimes what some fans cheer for I'm like....you're fucking stupid stop watching wrestling so the good shit can shine through and Vince and co. don't keep pushing silly idiotic shit lol.

    Like I said man, one on hand it was arguably the worst segment I've ever seen on Raw. On the other, I like Rusev and Lashley fighting, and I enjoyed Lana getting arrested. The fans that cheered this segment and found entertainment in the entire segment, those fans can fuck off. That just shows how dumbed down the product and some of the audience is to where this is the type of stuff that gets over...But you can easily find people who fucking hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Seth Rollins was great. He's slowly getting me to care about him again, after a few months of eh he's there. I think a heel run will do wonders for him, plus he can use his knowledge from over the years to help AOP out. I'd add a fourth person too, make it a solid faction. I miss factions god damn.

    What if the have Seth and AOP feud with the OC? That may be cool, but then you'd have to turn AJ face.
    I think Seth and AOP are going to be the shit.

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    Kevin Owens slays Lana and her response is "You're a candy eater!" She's a try-hard. It's painfully obvious why she's on tv more and more. You put those puppies on in any era and people want to see more. She's hot, cool. That's one thing that will NEVER change no matter how many dudes out there start out their twitter profile like my brother ("I'm so blessed to be married to my best friend!"). Big titties on a hot woman=OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

    Why do you think they've slowly turned Charlotte back to being a babyface? The more she exposed her breasts the more pops she started to get. It's why I own a Sunny shirt while she's chalking the stick. Took me until I was like 30 to appreciate her mic work lol.

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    Sunny talked on the mic?

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    Oddly enough, Akam's real name is Sunny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puppies View Post
    Sunny talked on the mic?
    lol. I'm pretty sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Oddly enough, Akam's real name is Sunny.
    No shit? That's weak.

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    I'm not really ok with them using the likes of Akira Tozawa, Tony Nese, and Eric Young as jobbers. They are so much more talented than that. Sure, the matches are a bit more competitive than when local talent are wrestling, but did anyone think that any of those three was going to actually win? Especially against the likes of McIntyre, Black, and Andrade? On the flip side, was glad that they appeared and seemed to make the most of their opportunities.

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    I'm also not okay with the way they refuse to elevate the cruiserweight division (although i know eric young aint lookin like a cruiser anymore thesedays) the way they have with the women's division. It shows they really don't have a lot of faith in their own roster. Have they forgotten the days of Scotty 2 Hotty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    I'm not really ok with them using the likes of Akira Tozawa, Tony Nese, and Eric Young as jobbers. They are so much more talented than that. Sure, the matches are a bit more competitive than when local talent are wrestling, but did anyone think that any of those three was going to actually win? Especially against the likes of McIntyre, Black, and Andrade? On the flip side, was glad that they appeared and seemed to make the most of their opportunities.
    It's a very WCW 1997ish move where WCW started to have guys go over CW wrestlers because they had essentially done away with "jobbers". And as time goes on, it's the norm. And it's VERY VERY difficult to shake that image, look at Jinder Mahal. You just couldn't take the guy serious, even if the story was that he just kind of got lucky every single time, even as a heel. It's just hard to take someone seriously that they put even a minute into their character because you have to think they want everyone to rise up the ranks so to speak and make the most money they can.

    IDK if making Cedric Alexander and Akira job guys if that helps anyone including the people beating their ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by corinoismybestfriend View Post
    I'm also not okay with the way they refuse to elevate the cruiserweight division (although i know eric young aint lookin like a cruiser anymore thesedays) the way they have with the women's division. It shows they really don't have a lot of faith in their own roster. Have they forgotten the days of Scotty 2 Hotty?
    Well, when was Scotty 2 Hotty over as a singles wrestler? Never. As Too Cool with Rikishi, hell yeah. But on his own, the worm was all he had and really all they gave him because that's all he could do. He looked like he was 55 years old, he couldn't cut a promo, he was a good worker with a funky gimmick that only goes so far.

    But with all that said.....It's getting some shine now in NXT but 205 Live is almost a joke if you ask me. Just consolidate the wrestlers into NXT like they've been doing. I just don't think it's wise to make the others who are on Raw and SD jabronis. I guess if you're doing the job to the top tier it's not that bad, so let's hope Akira doesn't start putting over EVERYONE.

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    Seth could be the heel that Cena wasn’t able to be.

    As for Scotty being over as a single, that Backlash match, as an example his singles match with Dean Malenko was fucking boss and not just all down to Dean. He was more than capable working as singles but Too Cool with Brian was his meal ticket.

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    Was this the first time they played that new theme for the Kabuki Warriors? I don't remember hearing it last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    , when was Scotty 2 Hotty over as a singles wrestler? Never. As Too Cool with Rikishi, hell yeah. But on his own, the worm was all he had and really all they gave him because that's all he could do. He looked like he was 55 years old, he couldn't cut a promo, he was a good worker with a funky gimmick that only goes so far
    I think you've forgotten that Scotty was The Worm and "The Worm" was OVER LIKE ROVER~

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    Scotty/Dean is probably my favourite cruiserweight/light heavyweight match ever. Top rope DDT finish was epic.

    Everything about Backlash 2000 was perfect, even or especially Debra’s ring announcing.

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    I still remember that London/Akio (Jimmy Yang) six-minute match on Velocity, I think after that they had a bit of a series, but it was just perfect, in spite of the short time they had.

    Although I was a huge mark for Paul London, the man could do no wrong in my eyes. I used to watch him and Bryan's indy promos and crack-up.

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    Er, and that was my favourite Cruiserweight match..

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