When you hear about Team Taz being a shoot it makes sense that he'd name his kid Hook
When you hear about Team Taz being a shoot it makes sense that he'd name his kid Hook
Onita is in his 60s and still wrestles
Gotta admit I was not expecting them to use real barbed wire
Great match shit finish
holy shit that explosion was lame
That was hilarious
Oh no it's... SPARKLERS.
I’ve seen Gilberg have better pyro in his intros.
Hello botchamania.
Ouch.
AEW struggles with producing satisfying ppvs. it was an alright show. some good stuff, some not so good stuff.
i'd be very happy if they set a hard time limit of 2 and a half hours for their PPVs.
I enjoyed it for the most part. Penta seems rusty, he had more than a few botches in the ladder match. I don't think Ryo can wrestle so I didn't enjoy her match with Shida. Besides those few things and the ending of the barbed wire deathmatch I thought it was a good ppv.
Fairly good PPV, but that final explosion really was a tragedy.
the giant sonic the hedgehog ring stole the show for me tho
A louder boom maybe? More smoke?
I mean if you're saying it wasn't meant to explode, that's fine...
..so why did Kingston sell it like he was dead?
Come on now.. admit it was shit and move on, don't pretend it was a work.
when it happened, I thought eddie was gonna look up confused, and the story would be kenny made the BIG COUNTDOWN EXPLOSION a dud cause he knew he'd beat mox before the 30 minutes mark, so was rubbing it in. I'd be fine with that given the rest of the match was brutal. but to have eddie sell it like death and the commentary team have try and put it over was comical.Originally Posted by Alexandria Ocasio-Bertez
A louder boom maybe? More smoke?
it would've looked much better if they had all three sides of the ring wrapped in wire detonate at once a couple times over. as it was done, literally nothing was close to the two men huddled in the middle of the ring to cause any injury.
Fell asleep last night and caught up this morning. There is no way to spin that finish, it is all time bad. It's like they went for two different ideas at the same time, not realising that one absolutely kills the other.
The idea of Kenny building a shitty explosion and it being a disappointment, I like a lot. A hell of a lot actually. But that can only work if Kingston's reaction is one of utter bemusement. But he sold it. He sold Gillberg's entrance pyro as if it were a near death situation.
They wanted WCW. Congrats?
Everything was great about that main event until the final explosion. They imitated Funk/Onita to a tee with Kingston in the Onita role and the countdown alarm. Now that explosion was also a bit of a letdown but I think it did the job there. But in this case people are going to mock it relentlessly and rightly so. In a world of memes this is going to be everywhere. As has been said, if the idea was Omega messing up, Callis should've been driving that home.
Also, Christian is a good signing for AEW but when you announce that you've signed a major HOF-worthy name and you're going to announce it at your PPV and it turns out to be Christian who we all saw sign for TNA years ago when he was actually in his prime... people are going to be disappointed. They should've just announced that they'd signed Christian and there'd be a lot more good will.
The show was solid but these two big misfires are the things people are going to remember.
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Good enough event I just hope Mox and Eddie are OK after that massive explosion
Alright now that I’m sober, full thoughts on the PPV:
- Jericho/MJF need to move this storyline along. The bucks match was FINE, but this needs to get moving. The tag division is loaded with teams and using one of your 4 PPVs on a makeshift tag team is not a way to get shit done.
- hangman page, god bless him, was not getting shit out of Matt Hardy there. Shoulda been a quick Buckshot and it’s done. I did like the Dark Order coming out to belp
him though.
- Ladder match for the Sonic ring was good, but I really couldn’t stop laughing at the ring. WHY WAS IT SO LARGE!?!
- tag team battle royal thing was actually really really fun. Happy Death Triangle got the W.
- Shida/Ryo was awesome. Shida always shines in the ring and I wish she had more opponents like this available to her outside of Deeb and Thunderrosa.
- Cinematic match was awesome. I loved the visuals, the entrances, and even the commentary. Def saw a Sting body double a few times, but that’s fine, it’s needed and doable in this situation. Brian Cage carrying Darby up the stairs, Sting chasing Starks, Darby’s big coffin drop were all great spots.
- Title match was awesome. Like, that match was just awesome. Fucking tragic pyro will make sure everyone forgets how awesome that match was though. Ugh.
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Oh yeah, I love Christian Cage and I’m excited to see him in AEW. I just love that creepy little bastard.
:yea:
either react like it’s an explosion and TK can explain that they had a technical issue OR make it like Kenny couldn’t rig the big explosion and Kingston pops up confused.
the way they did it tho, was just woof.
You forgot Ethan Page!
This is the one time I'm annoyed about this Game of Death thing because I really want an All Ego avatar right now. When is Wrestlemania?
I am really excited to see Christian with the opportunity to have some killer tv singles matches, which I’m hoping with his “outwork everyone” line is what he’s going to be used for. I could se me him and Darby allin having a great match
2nd AEW PPV I've ordered, first one off the ps4 direct so that was interesting.
All in all a good show. Highlights were definitely the women's title match, the Sting/Darby tag, the Ladder match, and the main event despite the ending.
Mox and Omega are good shit together and it's the main reason I've kept watching AEW.
So yeah, good show, I'd give it a C+ overall. If it wasn't so fucking long I might have given it a B-
no PPV should end at almost midnight on a sunday. that was brutal.
I agree. I don't care what promotion it is. I imagine they were running long and nobody was willing to budge on their match time. The funny thing is, the ppv didn't feel long until Tony said "20 minutes remaining until the explosion" and I'm like, motherfucker it's 10:20 central time someone needs to rig this bitch to blow up sooner.
Cry me a fucking river mate - how do you think we've managed all our lives?!
I'd say the street fight overdelivered and the ladder match underdelivered. Why were Cody, Arn and co. loitering around the tunnel for ages before finally disappearing (and then coming back soon after)? That was so distracting. There were some awkward spots as well. Compared to what we're used to in WWE, AEW's multi man ladder matches have all felt a bit off. Perhaps the production is the main reason for that? Archer was easily the best part of the match for me with Penta and Cody being more memorable than the rest. And since it seemed like this match was going to be all about giving Sky, Caster (and Page) the chance to shine I can't say that it really worked in that regard.
Really should take a page from WWE's playbook and start at 7 EST.
Double or Nothing is also a Sunday. TK said he wants to do Sunday if it's a 3 day weekend.
Scorpio Sky winning felt like when Jack Swagger won the MITB. I just wasn't feeling it and I'm not a big fan of Scorpio Sky on his own as it is. So now he has the Sonic Ring. Considering what Darby put himself through, if he retains it'll be a miracle.
And are we at a point now where we can get rid of the Dark Order?
No. Take the mask off 10 though. That dude is handsome.
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That's what he looks like? Damn!
10 & 5 havent "earned" taking the mask off. 3 & 4 only stopped wearing theirs after a banger match on dynamite. Let's see what gets 10 & 5 there.
5 can keep his but 10 shouldn't have one for the same reason Anna Jay doesn't.
Anna and Cabana were always treated as special recruits, thus they never had to wear masks. I think ditches his after a big title match against someone.
I think WWE and AEW need to accept that Retribution and Dark Order are failures. Especially AEW, they have way too many people on their roster. Dark Order has like 11 people.
Could we have Edge and Christian as World Champions as the same time in different companies?
I do feel for AEW trying to save face with the ending. The only glaring issue is Eddie selling it. Had he not sold it, we'd be cool. The worst part was Khan saying something about "we couldn't actually blow the guys up for real" We know that bro, anyone who has ever truly studied FMW, IWA, we know how this magic works. But that set up was fake as fuck in terms of the explosions. Onita should have been there to oversee the design. The only explosion spot that looked cool was the Onita Baseball bat hitting Mox.
It probably doesn't help that right before this ppv I watched Hayabusa v. Fuyuki so my expectations were a little high. (If you want to watch this match, it's from 10/15/2000-15,000 volt Electric Dynamite Cage Thunderbolt Death Match)
John Silver is more over than half of the AEW roster. Everyone loved the trust fall for Hangman. You're wrong.
If I'm wrong, you're an idiot lol. How is an opinion wrong? I would love to see what you are basing people being over to say John Nobody is more over than half of the AEW roster....Although considering half the roster are complete nobodies, I could see that. Everyone? No, not everyone, that part you are actually wrong about.
John Silver is great but he does kind of feel like the only member who has really clicked. Like with a lot of AEW roster, I feel like the Dark Order are quite enjoyable as a lower card enhancement act but they shouldn't be given much more prominence than that. I think that's true for the likes of Sabian, Private Party and the Best Friends too. Even the jobs for friends guys like Luther, Serpentico and Brandon Cutler have been more competitive than they should be.
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I hate the Dork Order
I have no desire to see John Silver. People that watch AEW love to shout out the super midgets like Silver and Stunt so I'm not shocked but I feel like they do not serve any purpose. It feels like a gimmick they're still doing so they don't have to admit it sucked.
I really don't like the pairing with Adam Page. They just need to let that boy go on his own and do his thing. I'm not a fan of him, but here's the guy they wanted to put in the first World title match and he's been dicking around ever since. All that momentum he had leading up to the Omega split vanished when he started fucking with the Dark Order. That angle has sucked since day one, when they built it on the idea that Matt Hardy was going to be the Exhaulted One. Even Mox said that role wasn't made for Brodie Lee and it was terrible.
They're hilarious on BTE, but without Brodie, they REALLY need a star of the group. I'm hoping that's Adam Page.
I'm certainly no fan of Marko Stunt (not to mention many of the other AEW "originals") but you're wrong about Silver. He's really come into his own during the pandemic. He's really impressive in the ring and has connected with people organically. I expect to see him continue to blossom in front of a full crowd. He's rapidly become quite the star.
How am I wrong about John Silver? I'm not impressed with his in-ring work, his look, his mic work. That's cool that he's connected with people organically, so has Marko Stunt and a laundry list of other wrestlers I'm not a fan of. So maybe we're both wrong about Marko Stunt....?
"He's rapidly become quite the star" How so? In what way that people measure star power is this guy a star? What kind of ratings does he get? Does he have any merch? Or are we just basing this off the one time Meltzer said he got the biggest pop in a tag-team battle royal which was total bullshit.
Okay, throw in the words "I think" before "you're wrong" then. I'm impressed with him and think he's good. I fancy him as looking quite the star as of late. That's a separate thing. But the evidence that he's gotten over would be the pops he gets and overall fan response to him.
What pops? From Billy Gunn's family and Jade Cargill?
If that's what you think a star looks like that's cool. I'm not impressed at all with his work in the ring. Mainly because he literally does every move everyone else does in AEW and many do it better. I think if people are going to come here and say I'm wrong for not being a fan of John Silver you better have something better than personal taste.
If a year from now this guy is on his own killing it then that's great! Right now, in a jobber tag-team in a jobber stable that is only still around out of respect for a man who died.....Yeah I don't see it. But again, you guys are hearing massive pops whenever he comes out and he's selling a lot of John Silver merch, I think he's helped Dark Order sell a non-Brodie Lee shirt once or twice so that's an accomplishment.
lol who the fuck is 'shouting out' marko stunt.
Do I have to subject myself to going on social media across 3-4 platforms to show people giving props to Marko. Shit in this thread people were propping him, all excited for him to work with his favorite wrestler Big Slow.
How are you not impressed with his in ring work? He's so smooth, specifically with Reynolds. He's also strong as fuck.
I want to see him fight Pac and I think so do a lot of people after the tease last night.
The crowd was chanting "Johnny Hungie", for fucks sake.
You're confusing Hero saying that Marko was marking out because Big Show is his favorite wrestler for anyone being excited about Marko.
Yeah, it's a silly comparison because I don't think they're being received in remotely the same way from fans. It's not as easy to remark on with the lack of proper crowds but ND wanted evidence so here's some. cagematch.net is a big database where you can comment and rate on wrestlers, matches, events etc. I think it's a good source to see how wrestling fans generally view a given worker or match
Here's the last 10 comments on John Silver
and here's the last 10 comments on Marko Stunt
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Marko Stunt can sing, that's really all he has going for him.
I don't really think Luchasaurus is a great wrestler either.
Jungle Boy will do the best when he goes solo.
I haven't watched a full AEW show since Double or Nothing but watch the clips on a Thursday and BTE, and I enjoy Silver. He's a laugh. I just hope AEW don't fall into the "over so they get a push" trap like with Orange Cassidy. It's alright being a midcarder. You can be the most over act in the company and just not fit that role. It's like Road Dogg in 1998. I don't think you'd hear many arguments that Triple H was more over at that point, but he rightfully wasn't pushed in the main event because his act didn't translate to that role. Let fun midcarders be fun midcarders. Like when people complained about Zack Ryder in 2012 - like, good on him for getting over and he deserved a spotlight on the show for that, but he clearly should have been getting kicked in by the top heels.
Luchasaurus is awful. Dude tries to be an “athletic big man” but all his athletic feats look like shit. It’s not good. He needs to work far more aggressively
guys like Cage, Luchasaurus, and Archer would benefit tremendously from just watching what Dustin Rhodes or will Hobbs do. Those guys know how to work their fuckin size
Just seems like a really bloated roster. Hopefully they get another show starting soon. Does AEW Dark have any storyline progression or is just people fighting people?
They're supposed to get a one hour TNT show sometime this year with Jericho on commentary for it.
Dark is basically what heat used to be. Midcard guys go there to squash jobbers or low card guys. The only storylines on there will be for lower card guys like Peter Avalon, Brandon Cutler, Serpentico, Luther, dark order's lower guys. It's a fine background noise show...i mostly watch it to see new faces and hear Taz's commentary.
I think as a general rule you shouldn’t advertise a surprise new signing unless it’s Punk or Brock. If it’s not one of them two then just bring them in like you did Sting and Big Show.
I would have announced Christian, and had the surprise be Big Show, because that was genuinely a surprise.
I literally said why I'm not impressed. He does literally everything everyone else does just not as good. How many times did he do the same back brain kick? Half of them missed. Such a talent. Seeing him square up with Pac made my son go "Wow I didn't realize how tiny that guy is" because Pac is like 5'5".
WOW, Johnny Hungie chants!!?!??!? No fucking way. Wow. I mean, that right there is proof he's on his way. The talent around the ring chanting that is comical.
I am and for that I apologize.
I wasn't even trying to make a side by side comparison of John Silver and Marko Stunt, I just used someone equally if not smaller than John Silver as way to show that yes, there are fans who appreciate what both contribute to the product.
But I will use your evidence as proof that he is more popular on cageside than Marko Stunt. An argument that was never actually made but hey, whatever it takes to sell a nobody as "over".
Exactly. We've already had the "OMG Christian isn't in WWE anymore!" moment about 10+ years ago in TNA.
But hey we're in the realm of "booker of the year" according to some fans so you get what you get.
The fans in attendance were the ones chanting Johnny Hungie and it is a ridiculous chant, that's literally my point. You have to really love a wrestler to chant something that ridiculous.
So basically just because you don't like John Silver no one else must either seems to be your opinion, even when given evidence to the contrary.
You seem like you just want to win an award at the Player Haters Ball, to be honest.
Strongly agree. He needs to simplify his offense badly
I wish this was the 90s, where you didn't know contract statuses, etc. Then Christian showing up would have been oh wow.
Still waiting for the first AEW guy to defect to WWE though.
People chant ridiculous shit all the time especially at AEW shows. I swear to God every wrestler has about 4 chants a piece and none of them are good. I mean, The Rock has been able to get some of the dumbest shit over with crowds over the last 2-3 years so are you really that shocked AOB?
No...you said my opinion was WRONG. So really it's YOU saying that if everyone doesn't like John Silver we're wrong and you're right. That's literally the sole reason for this wrestler even getting mentioned is because you told me I was WRONG. How ninja?
I just dropped $50 last night on this ppv while the rest of you snakes pirated it so who's the hater? Don't ever disrespect Outkast by speaking their song title.
Who's this we you're talking about, you and your son? As opposed to evidence from a website and multiple posters here who like him and say he's good.
I dropped $20. Learn how to use a vpn.
I was referencing Chappelle's Show.
I dropped $0 and did something better with my time.
I'm saying "we" in general. You're trying to say you're own personal opinion is right. That's comedy. I never said nobody on the planet likes John Silver and I never said if you think he's over you're wrong. I pointed out why I personally don't think he's over at all and you're trying to defend this guy for what reason? Did he vote for Trump as well, idk....Who's this we you're talking about, you and your son? As opposed to evidence from a website and multiple posters here who like him and say he's good.
I dropped $20. Learn how to use a vpn.
I was referencing Chappelle's Show.
Good for you buddy! Don't calling someone a player hater when they're contributing more than you are to make sure a product exists. Wow, you paid $20...And? Still a pirate. Typical Trumper.
Luchasaurus' mask is so cheap looking
his vibora mask on LU was way cooler
Plus i prefer my big men in boots. I think he looked so much better in this gear than his AEW stuff. Same with Cage...looked aweomse in a singlet w/ boots. Looks more like an indie guy in his trunks and kickpads.
Ringo and I have both proved he is over you just don't like the fact for whatever reason.
Of course when you can't make an argument for shit you have to make it about politics. You and Peter Griffin are a lot alike, I guess.
Paying money is not being a pirate. I buy every PPV I'm just tech savvy enough not to pay $50. Fite TV is a ppv partner.
And again...I'm not saying you guys are wrong lol. I'm saying it's your opinion that he's over. You telling someone they're wrong for having a different opinion, sounds very AOC of you.
I did make a perfectly clear argument. I don't think he's over, you think he is. Good luck with that.
Tech savvy? Yeah, that's what all hackers aka modern day pirates say all the time. You going around having to pay the actual cost is some shady shit. Especially when you're trying to call someone a player hater. I'm willing to NOT be a shady person and pay the full price. YOU are doing what you Trumpers always do. Find a way to fuck the minority.
Everything about LU was cooler.
Did they shoot that in the same location as Wrestling Society X?Everything about LU was cooler.
I bought the entire season of WSX at Wal-Mart years ago. It's very fun to watch.
You're really just showing how old you are if you want to compare widely available vpns advertised on almost every podcast as hacking. Who's the minority?
Did Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.
Agreed....it was really something special.Everything about LU was cooler.
LU lives on through MLW...well, Mil Muertes at least. Really hoping Dario Cueto shows up there soon. He's the best GM character since attitude era VKM.
You never watched Lucha Underground?
It was great. I actually think it might even be more up your street.
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yet now you're spending it here talking about shit without watching, like usual.
From what I listened to, it seemed like they did a reasonable job saying it was terrible.Did Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.
Could make an aew jr version alreadyDid Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.
Just to be clear I love AEW, Can't be doing with Dave and Bryan.
So with recent signings what is the next step in giving Vinny Mac a true kick up the ass? Then again I guess he has no reason to fight back like against WCW because of the tv contracts he has now.
Oh my bad I probably worded that wrong. I saw the first season on Netflix and I think maybe even some of season 2. I always thought LU and WSX were shot in a very similar looking spot but I just looked up both spots again and yeah, pretty different.You never watched Lucha Underground?
It was great. I actually think it might even be more up your street.
Lucha Underground was very cool. I actually first started watching it on tv but couldn't understand the dialogue very well so when Netflix put it up I was very happy, except for the fact that I went from Hugo and Vamp to Matt Striker and Vamp.
Pentagon was the god of that show for me. I had only seen maybe 2 matches of his prior to LU. Same with Rey Fenix.
I know exactly what a VPN is young man. You're showing your age by thinking everyone else is wrong because they don't agree to your OPINION.
I mean seriously, all this over Long John Silver? Maybe if dude came out with some hush puppies and those little crispy things he'd win me over. I was going to buy his shirt but they must be completely sold out.
Well, I doubt that Vince or anyone for that matter consider Christian Cage, Big Show, and Ethan Page a threat to the WWE product. People just need to stop even trying to talk about WWE v. anyone else because WWE are their own shit. When AEW or ROH or whoever have the multi-layer company that is World Wrestling Entertainment, then we can talk.
It's like thinking your local amusement park can compete with Disney World. Vince only cared when his pocket book was getting the work, now he's making more money than ever-including the peak years of pro wrestling ratings and interest-so until someone/something comes along and fucks with that, WWE are going to do what they want.
Vince and co. got out of the wrestling business when Cyndi Lauper came along. Nobody ever went to the WWF to have great matches they went for exposure. Same holds true today. IDGAF how great Kenny Omega is or how great Jungle Boy Johnson is, if you're not in the WWE, who gives a shit?
first season and a half of lucha underground was the best episodic wrestling since 2000 WWF. such a shame they ran it into the ground
I think the first to jump from AEW to WWE will be Sammy Guevara. It might be a long while before he's considered AEW World Champion material and he might get impatient and take an offer to jump to WWE with a promise of being NXT World Champion.
And eventually once live crowds are back and he gets bored with his position in AEW Cody will jump ship for a WM World title win and run. No way he's content with there never being a Rhodes as World Champ in WWE.
I just watched the finish of the barbwire match and... Goldberg's entrance looks more dangerous.
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Cody is an EVP. He's not going anywhere.
Why does Max Caster kiss hands? Is he french? That was the weirdest spot of the ladder match to me.
uhhhh, no.
Just caught up with Revolution. Really good overall but the phrase “didn’t end with a bang but a whimper!” seems appropriate!
Felt really bad for the talent with the finish. A great match though.
It may have been obvious, but was it known ahead of time that the Sting match was going to be cinematic? I mean, I know about Sting's injuries and limitations, but with him taking bumps on Dynamite, I wasn't sure.
I love Taz. I always have. Dude makes me laugh and always puts over the talent, whilst still being a heel. Tempted to watch Dark because of him, if it wasn't so damned long. Speaking of Dark, what's the difference going to be with Dark and the new Dark 'Elavation' show? It's still a YouTube show, so...
I agree that the Christian reveal was a letdown. In that how they presented it, I mean. Love Christian, but it's 2021. Tone it down a bit.
Taz's commentary is the best thing about Dark - he should really be in the main announce booth alongside Excalibur and Schiavone. They'd be a good trio. JR can do Dark Elevation with Jericho if they absolutely must keep him around.
Nah just let JR go and let him go for his pervy foot rubs every day.
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