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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Meltzer has a some form of crush on Omega doesn't he?

    He's a good wrestler but probably the most overrated wrestler the world has ever seen. I enjoy his matches but it's rare I watch them and think wow, this guy is something above anyone else. A lot of his matches I find to be pretty boring, especially those 60+ minute ones in Japan.

    He's woeful on the mic and is his characters are cringey as fuck. If he was doing the same stuff in WWE people wouldn't care much about him, he's still got a way to go in my eyes.

    I enjoyed the Fenix match but it wasn't anything spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Meltzer has a some form of crush on Omega doesn't he?

    He's a good wrestler but probably the most overrated wrestler the world has ever seen. I enjoy his matches but it's rare I watch them and think wow, this guy is something above anyone else. A lot of his matches I find to be pretty boring, especially those 60+ minute ones in Japan.

    He's woeful on the mic and is his characters are cringey as fuck. If he was doing the same stuff in WWE people wouldn't care much about him, he's still got a way to go in my eyes.

    I enjoyed the Fenix match but it wasn't anything spectacular.
    I think those that follow Meltzer's cult feel validated by his rankings for the Okada matches. I don't listen to this guy, the shit I hear is from posters on message boards and social media and it's always "no shit Sherlock" moments. He was just the first back in the 50's.

    My opinion of Omega is that he is no doubt a crisp wrestler, very entertaining to watch in the ring. People like Jim Cornette tend to shit on the guy so hard because they know deep down if they're blowing Lance Storm as a great talent they have to admit Kenny is in the same conversation. But since he's young and he does weird shit as a person/character they use it to water him down. Oh the blow up doll, the young girl....Dude I was so into the 80's and early 90's comic book wrestling that Jim Cornette had a hand in that I don't care. And that's not me shitting on my guy JC that's just pointing out that it's a ridiculous hatred.

    I'm with you about his mic work, whatever his character is supposed to be....I hope to God people like Arn, Tully, Goldust, Jericho, I hope they're really giving him solid advice because I think they could help him truly be what he is trying to be. I don't think Omega knows how to get to that next level, he's out there with a fucking broomstick still. That "Cleaner" moniker could be awesome but he makes it cheesedick because he spent all that time in DDT-land of Hero and the guy with the boxing glove on one hand and the Heavy Metal Chicken Wing Ultimate Fuckboy Championship lol.

    He's a guy who if you put him in WWE and they were able to polish him up could be a top tier player. Not saying The Rock, but if people jerk off to Roman and Seth, Kenny could be in that category without question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Meltzer has a some form of crush on Omega doesn't he?

    He's a good wrestler but probably the most overrated wrestler the world has ever seen. I enjoy his matches but it's rare I watch them and think wow, this guy is something above anyone else. A lot of his matches I find to be pretty boring, especially those 60+ minute ones in Japan.

    He's woeful on the mic and is his characters are cringey as fuck. If he was doing the same stuff in WWE people wouldn't care much about him, he's still got a way to go in my eyes.

    I enjoyed the Fenix match but it wasn't anything spectacular.
    Heís not overrated as heís a very good fine wrestler. Maybe overrated to the Meltzer thatís about it.

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    Kenny's good, but not great. I like Kenny mostly.

    End of.

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    One thing about Meltzer's ratings is that a match he would normally give 4.5 can suddenly become a 5 if the final minutes elevate it. I remember an Okada v Ishii match during the G1 years ago that fell into this category. He explained his rational for grading it, and when I watched it, I could see what he meant. Most of the match was very good, but not something I would give 5 stars. Then the last 3 minutes went to a whole new level and I could see why Meltzer gave it the 5. I personally wouldn't have gone as far as him, but at least I understood his reasons.

    This is how I felt about Omega v Fenix. Most of it was a very good match, but the last 5 minutes reached that next level and Fenix was absolutely on fire that I can see why Meltzer would go the full 5. I'd still probably give it 4.5, but to each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Kenny's good, but not great. I like Kenny mostly.

    End of.
    lol

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, he's never given Kurt Angle a 5 star rating. If that's the case, and you look at Meltzer for what is considered a 5 star match, pull your penis through your eye sockets.

    Yeah I just looked, fuck that guy. 4.75 stars for HBK v. Angle @ Mania 21. LOL.

    The ONLY REASON I can think of as to why he would never give Angle a 5 star rating is because the one thing pro wrestling can't say is that it's real. Yes, the action is "real" just like a stuntman is doing real shit that could potentially get him hurt/killed. But Kurt Angle didn't know going into the 1996 Olympics with a broken fuckin neck knowing he was going to win.

    So Dave and his weak frail mentality has probably always felt threatened by real wrestlers in the business because he knows his fuckboys like Matt Jackson and Tiger Mask 9 would get killed by Angle.
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    Daniel Bryan too. Lars Sullivan has one though.

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    meltzer's star ratings never fail to get a rise out of people.

    love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, he's never given Kurt Angle a 5 star rating. If that's the case, and you look at Meltzer for what is considered a 5 star match, pull your penis through your eye sockets.

    Yeah I just looked, fuck that guy. 4.75 stars for HBK v. Angle @ Mania 21. LOL.

    The ONLY REASON I can think of as to why he would never give Angle a 5 star rating is because the one thing pro wrestling can't say is that it's real. Yes, the action is "real" just like a stuntman is doing real shit that could potentially get him hurt/killed. But Kurt Angle didn't know going into the 1996 Olympics with a broken fuckin neck knowing he was going to win.

    So Dave and his weak frail mentality has probably always felt threatened by real wrestlers in the business because he knows his fuckboys like Matt Jackson and Tiger Mask 9 would get killed by Angle.
    He was just stingy on them back then but isn’t now. There are dozens of matches from the 2000s that would obviously get five stars if they happened move for move today

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    the star ratings being broken by the omega/okada six-star match really made dave loosen up his idea of what a five-star match is. Same as the five-star scale breaking what was originally the four-star scale.

    He's given out like 7 or 8 five stars to WWE in the last 5 years, where hadnt given one to wwe in like 15 years before that.

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    edit: just looked it up and he gave wwe no 5star ratings between 97 and 2011 and then he's given out 8 since 2018.

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    Well, let's be honest. The majority of those 5 stars weren't for WWE matches, they were for NXT matches.

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    this waiting room segment is probably the worst thing that has ever been on dynamite

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    darby allin's the best wrestler in the world

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    edit wrong thred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    You were genuinely curious, you literally said that in your post, so why are you curious? What observation needs to be made here? I have a nephew Liam that's on the spectrum, not one time have I ever factored that in to his opinion on something. I don't tell people, oh don't worry about his opinion, he's on the spectrum.

    That's basically looking at someone and assuming they're mentally challenged and using that as an excuse for why they do the things they do. Being on the spectrum doesn't make you a fucking serial killer lol.
    Nothing negative was meant in my post, ND. At all. It was a throwaway comment. I've come across the subject quite a bit in my personal life recently, so asking must stem from that.

    On the subject of Meltzer, I like him in small doses. How seriously people take his star ratings is kinda sad, to me. I paid them quite a bit of attention at one point, but at that point I was 14 years old.

    I'm currently reading his 1997 Yearbook that I got for Christmas from Mrs M. Really enjoying it so far. My favourite year in wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

    On the subject of Meltzer, I like him in small doses.
    Me and you are going to fall out.

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    Dave Meltzer and rat poison are a lot alike. They're never good, but they're okay in small doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Me and you are going to fall out.
    Ha, I can't be dealing with him on Twitter etc, but reading his reviews and stories from 1997 etc, I'm ok with. But then I'm a big fan of the subject matter, so.

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    Ha fair enough.

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    I don't live and die but what he says but anyone who denies that he's never contributed something of value are just being ridiculous. Take the editorial aspect out of his newsletter. His opinion is his opinion. But he has given us plenty of information, not gossip, but educating us on underground talent, international talent. No different than fuckin Siskel & Ebert. I'm sure in the horror movie community there's all these weird groups based on certain horror genres that hate what Troma does and loves what Miramax did in the 80's more than the 90's. Meltzer is the Joe Bob Briggs of pro wrestling lol.

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    Remember when people like me bought in to The Revival being one of the best tag-teams of the last 20 years, possibly of all time?

    Did the VP's just bring these guys in to bury them?

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    Yeah, I expected more from FTR after dropping the titles, but they're MIA most of the time. I wouldn't say they've been buried, just underutilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Yeah, I expected more from FTR after dropping the titles, but they're MIA most of the time. I wouldn't say they've been buried, just underutilized.
    Just the overall way they've been used since really the first show they were on. Coming in to save the Bucks. Their feud didn't feel like much and then we have them going 50/50 against Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy. Now I'm curious if they wish they had stayed in WWE and did the stupid ass shit Bruce and Vince wanted them to do.

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    The FTR discussion is part of the bigger question: Now that AEW has replaced TNA as the place where WWE talent should go so they can shine and be used right/have more control/creative freedom and all that jazz, would regular AEW viewers say that's holding true thus far?
    Cody, Dustin, PAC, Moxley, Brodie, FTR, Miro, Matt Hardy, probably forgetting a few more...
    ...would you say the move from WWE to AEW has been an improvement for them? Too early to judge?

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    Been better for a lot - Jericho (in comparison to his last few years in WWE), Brodie was getting there but we'll never know, PAC is better on AEW, FTR is about the same but early days

    Hardy, well they've tried but it hasn't come off but he was barely on WWE unless tagging with Jeff so I guess so.

    Miro - too early.

    Cody is far better off, Dustin slightly better than his latter days.

    Moxley, I'm not so sure, I think he was better off in WWE tbh.

    Ultimately though there's only really Moxley and Jericho and possibly Brodie that WWE would have been bothered about losing. The rest they barely used or used badly and won't really miss tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    The FTR discussion is part of the bigger question: Now that AEW has replaced TNA as the place where WWE talent should go so they can shine and be used right/have more control/creative freedom and all that jazz, would regular AEW viewers say that's holding true thus far?
    Cody, Dustin, PAC, Moxley, Brodie, FTR, Miro, Matt Hardy, probably forgetting a few more...
    ...would you say the move from WWE to AEW has been an improvement for them? Too early to judge?
    I give AEW the benefit of the doubt and tune out their roster and die hard fans' opinion about the company versus WWE. AEW doesn't have a track history so that's the only reason I also tune out their biggest critics. One group are going to blindly tell you YES and the other NO.

    Too early to judge for me. We're a year+ in and I feel like yeah if WWE's roster wasn't so deep maybe Cody would've been a main eventer. So far most of these people are either doing what they were already doing in a manipulated way (Luke Harper goes from 2nd in command of a 'cult' like group to the leader?). FTR are amazing, but they're in a company who is burying them and they don't even get it. Or they do and they're getting a huge payday to be mocked (Look at their fucking name it's a play on the Bucks' tweet a few years back dissing them FUCK THE REVIVAL).

    I think another problem is that when you're critical of AEW you start to hear a lot of "Well they'd suck even more in WWE!" Nobody criticizing AEW wants to talk about WWE but AEW fans and talent seem to want to use them at their disposal. Not realizing WWE are a totally different type of company. When AEW starts making the moves WWE have over the last 40 years we can talk about which one is better for the talent.

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    I don't really see how you can see FTR's treatment as being buried. They won the titles off the longest-reigning champs, got a shitload of screen time early on, and despite the 50/50 match with Jurassic Express, they still won. They may have had a short reign, but they were being propped up really high during that time and then we're given a great match with The Bucks.

    I'd argue their title reign was cut short and that they haven't really followed up that strongly since losing, but they're gonna need to start doing goofy gimmicks and/or go on a losing streak before we can even begin to consider this a burial.

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    They've only lost three times in AEW, to The Bucks for the titles, a 12 man tag and an 8 man tag.

    They've only had about 15 matches which includes a tag title reign and wins over most of the tag teams in the company including every tag champions team before them (only 2 but you know).

    AEW makes everyone have competitive matches for the most part, I'm not a fan of that myself but at the end of the day Stunts character has been in competitive matches or went over against the Bucks and Omega, Inner Circle, Best Friends, Pentagon and Fenix and SCU so in terms of how they are booked FTR not squashing them doesn't mean they are being kicked down the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I don't really see how you can see FTR's treatment as being buried. They won the titles off the longest-reigning champs, got a shitload of screen time early on, and despite the 50/50 match with Jurassic Express, they still won. They may have had a short reign, but they were being propped up really high during that time and then we're given a great match with The Bucks.

    I'd argue their title reign was cut short and that they haven't really followed up that strongly since losing, but they're gonna need to start doing goofy gimmicks and/or go on a losing streak before we can even begin to consider this a burial.
    Well they're already doing goofy shit and have been. And thinking someone has to go on a losing streak to be buried is comedy. It's like thinking you have to beat someone to get over. Austin and anyone who worked with Hulk Hogan can tell you right now that winning isn't everything.

    I think that they are intentionally sabotaging The Revival. Sure, they have them win matches. They also had them go 50/50 with a midget. That match was 90% Marko Stunt.

    Yeah they won the tag titles off a boring ass team that held it about 5 months too long. Then lost it within a month or so to the other VP's lol. And now what? They're going back and forth with fucking the whackest stable in wrestling. But they're winning..........at what expense?



    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    They've only lost three times in AEW, to The Bucks for the titles, a 12 man tag and an 8 man tag.

    They've only had about 15 matches which includes a tag title reign and wins over most of the tag teams in the company including every tag champions team before them (only 2 but you know).

    AEW makes everyone have competitive matches for the most part, I'm not a fan of that myself but at the end of the day Stunts character has been in competitive matches or went over against the Bucks and Omega, Inner Circle, Best Friends, Pentagon and Fenix and SCU so in terms of how they are booked FTR not squashing them doesn't mean they are being kicked down the roster.
    Like I said above, wins and losses don't mean anything when it comes to getting someone over or burying someone. I'm pretty sure there was a rumor that Triple H was intentionally having Roman booked a certain way to sabotage his own creation because Vince and Kevin Dunn were getting too high on Roman. So the have him win a shit ton of matches, do stupid ass promos, etc. All in an attempt to hopefully turn the crowd against Roman and it seemed to work. This shit happens.

    So stop thinking of this as "Well they win!" And? They look like fucking goofs, and this was before they even worked with Stunt. And again I find it funny when a talent like The Revival say we turned down this and this to avoid being put in stupid situations and well....here they are lol.

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    I'd say the majority of WWE guys who've signed with AEW are better off. I mean, the health insurance alone is worth it. All you have to do is watch BTE or Sammy's vlog and you'll see just how much fun these guys are having behind the scenes.

    As far as FTR, SCU is doing the angle where if they lose one more tag match, then they'll break up forever. I could see FTR being the ones to give them that last L.

    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Been better for a lot - Jericho (in comparison to his last few years in WWE), Brodie was getting there but we'll never know, PAC is better on AEW, FTR is about the same but early days

    Hardy, well they've tried but it hasn't come off but he was barely on WWE unless tagging with Jeff so I guess so.

    Miro - too early.

    Cody is far better off, Dustin slightly better than his latter days.

    Moxley, I'm not so sure, I think he was better off in WWE tbh.

    Ultimately though there's only really Moxley and Jericho and possibly Brodie that WWE would have been bothered about losing. The rest they barely used or used badly and won't really miss tbh.
    Moxley has proven himself big time in AEW. He's a legit main eventer now and his feud with Eddie Kingston was something special. I can't remember anything close to that in WWE during his last few years with the company. That weird germaphobe gimmick he did before leaving was pretty bad.

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    Let me ask you a question. Did you not take Moxley seriously as a main eventer in WWE when he was put in those positions?

    I'll say this and I was just talking to my oldest son who is a HUUUUUGE Jon Moxley fan. And I stress Moxley as my son was big into death match wrestling when hew as like 7-8 years old watching CZW on youtube and he's 19 now so he's pretty smart with his fandom. But both he and I agree that it's hard to deny his original run with The Shield as being arguably his best run. Then we talked about his AEW run versus WWE where we both admitted it's completely unfair to compare because there's absolutely no way you could say he's done more in one year than he did in the 6+ he was in WWE, and that's just the main roster.

    He hasn't had enough time in AEW to do some stupid shit. The first 2 years he was in the WWE with The Shield they were booked so fucking well 99.9% of the time. Then it was up and down for him. A lot of that has to do with us talking about 2 entirely different wrestling companies. AEW, smaller roster. Filled with talent for sure, but the size of the company and the reach requires more variety to the point where they have 2 World champions.

    I think the problem with Moxley/Ambrose fans is that we remember what he did on his way out with that weird heel run and then his interview on TIJ to give his side of how it all went down.....we tend to forget everything else before it. I mean the guy made Elias and Corbin interesting. What I hope is that he does continue to have great success in AEW and show that it doesn't matter how big or small the pond he is a top player. Look at guys like AJ Styles, everywhere he's been, top guy and backed it up. You didn't just go "Oh that's just the booking being his fan". Mox is the same and that's what bothers me. People act like he wasn't shit in the WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I'd say the majority of WWE guys who've signed with AEW are better off. I mean, the health insurance alone is worth it. All you have to do is watch BTE or Sammy's vlog and you'll see just how much fun these guys are having behind the scenes.

    As far as FTR, SCU is doing the angle where if they lose one more tag match, then they'll break up forever. I could see FTR being the ones to give them that last L.



    Moxley has proven himself big time in AEW. He's a legit main eventer now and his feud with Eddie Kingston was something special. I can't remember anything close to that in WWE during his last few years with the company. That weird germaphobe gimmick he did before leaving was pretty bad.
    I'd say both Rollins feuds and AJ initially was better than anything he's done in AEW to date, maybes even Owens as well . Plus the whole Shield run was better - Wyatt's, Hell No, Evolution. I think people forget a lot of the good stuff he did in WWE by remembering the shit stuff.

    No doubt he would have gotten a big feud with Roman as well (I don't think they did a full feud whilst he was there just the triple threat).

    He's been decent enough here but main eventer in AEW is still less than main eventer in WWE by a fair stretch so far, it might change down the road but I don't think he better off as yet (possibly personally with, dates, pay, etc but can't really comment on that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Well they're already doing goofy shit and have been. And thinking someone has to go on a losing streak to be buried is comedy. It's like thinking you have to beat someone to get over. Austin and anyone who worked with Hulk Hogan can tell you right now that winning isn't everything.

    I think that they are intentionally sabotaging The Revival. Sure, they have them win matches. They also had them go 50/50 with a midget. That match was 90% Marko Stunt.

    Yeah they won the tag titles off a boring ass team that held it about 5 months too long. Then lost it within a month or so to the other VP's lol. And now what? They're going back and forth with fucking the whackest stable in wrestling. But they're winning..........at what expense?





    Like I said above, wins and losses don't mean anything when it comes to getting someone over or burying someone. I'm pretty sure there was a rumor that Triple H was intentionally having Roman booked a certain way to sabotage his own creation because Vince and Kevin Dunn were getting too high on Roman. So the have him win a shit ton of matches, do stupid ass promos, etc. All in an attempt to hopefully turn the crowd against Roman and it seemed to work. This shit happens.

    So stop thinking of this as "Well they win!" And? They look like fucking goofs, and this was before they even worked with Stunt. And again I find it funny when a talent like The Revival say we turned down this and this to avoid being put in stupid situations and well....here they are lol.
    They've had 15 matches, you need to chill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    They've had 15 matches, you need to chill.
    Ok? Show me where it matters how many matches you have to have in a company to recognize when a team is being handled like shit.

    Winning matches doesn't mean you're being handled properly it just means you're winning matches. I thought people on this board prided themselves on reading between the lines and seeing the bullshit for what it is. I remember just about a month or so ago when FTR lost the titles plenty of people, right here on this thread, were questioning exactly why they lost them. Was it simply to say the Bucks beat them and get that win due to some twitter shit?

    I can only imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and the Bucks came to the WWE and this happened. I mean, isn't it odd that FTR went from a supposed dream match feud with the Bucks to doing nothing? Was that it? I guess the EVP's had to make themselves look strong for the Impact wrestling feud nobody wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Ok? Show me where it matters how many matches you have to have in a company to recognize when a team is being handled like shit.

    Winning matches doesn't mean you're being handled properly it just means you're winning matches. I thought people on this board prided themselves on reading between the lines and seeing the bullshit for what it is. I remember just about a month or so ago when FTR lost the titles plenty of people, right here on this thread, were questioning exactly why they lost them. Was it simply to say the Bucks beat them and get that win due to some twitter shit?

    I can only imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and the Bucks came to the WWE and this happened. I mean, isn't it odd that FTR went from a supposed dream match feud with the Bucks to doing nothing? Was that it? I guess the EVP's had to make themselves look strong for the Impact wrestling feud nobody wanted.

    Hmm The Radicals were booked way worse when they came in and didn't do them any harm in the end.

    The Ringmaster was booked terribly, pretty much everyone in WCW - Nash, Razor, HHH.

    15 matches is too early to say. They've won the titles already and had a couple of good feuds. Most people would take that for their first couple of months in a new company I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Hmm The Radicals were booked way worse when they came in and didn't do them any harm in the end.

    The Ringmaster was booked terribly, pretty much everyone in WCW - Nash, Razor, HHH.

    15 matches is too early to say. They've won the titles already and had a couple of good feuds. Most people would take that for their first couple of months in a new company I reckon.
    Way worse than what? I would say Malenko and Saturn had a much better career prior to WWE than after but that's subjective. The other 2, I'll be more than happy to talk about their World title booking any day of the week. Benoit taking a backseat for Triple H v. Eugene is a prime example of just because you're a champion and winning doesn't mean you're being treated properly. You know what a backhanded compliment is? Replace compliment with booking. It happens, so that way people can throw it back in our face when it doesn't work out the way we wanted.

    I'm confused by your WCW comment. I would say that Kevin Nash for example had a much better career in WCW than WWF just from a financial position. If you want to talk about storylines, I'll put the New World Order up against anything Nash did in WWF and you're talking to THE Kevin Nash fan. Hard to respond to what you're saying when some of those guys were booked just fine in WCW (Stunning Steve, Hall and Nash's 2nd run in WCW).

    15 matches is not too early. When you've been in a promotion for 9 months that's plenty of time to figure out what's going on. I knew within 15 matches of seeing THE REVIVAL that they were fucking dope. The problem is they thought they were enough to change Vince's mind about tag-team wrestling. It's too bad they weren't able to go back to NXT if WWE wanted to still be under their umbrella. Big mistake.

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    I just legit don't see how they've been goofy, booked bad, treated like a joke or buried at all. Regardless of the win/loss record. AEW has shown that they'll rotate the roster enough that after a big feud or match, a star might sink into the shadows for a few weeks. So having FTR dip out for a minute to come back to winning doesn't seem anything like a burial. Like mth said, maybe underutilized.

    Literally the only thing I could see even coming close is because they lost the titles to the Bucks so quick. Which I already said I wasn't a fan of. But I don't think it was some terrible booking decision that's completely ruined what has otherwise been a strong run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I just legit don't see how they've been goofy, booked bad, treated like a joke or buried at all. Regardless of the win/loss record. AEW has shown that they'll rotate the roster enough that after a big feud or match, a star might sink into the shadows for a few weeks. So having FTR dip out for a minute to come back to winning doesn't seem anything like a burial. Like mth said, maybe underutilized.

    Literally the only thing I could see even coming close is because they lost the titles to the Bucks so quick. Which I already said I wasn't a fan of. But I don't think it was some terrible booking decision that's completely ruined what has otherwise been a strong run.
    I've laid out several examples beyond winning and losing.

    It was a terrible booking decision to have them lose the titles so quickly and then be relegated to Dark and working like jabroni heels against Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy Perry. Lucha and Jungle Boy is one thing, but giving that much offense to Stunt....I honestly haven't been a fan of anything FTR has been booked to do. It's all been done IMHO to make them look like they're less than....And what do you expect? They were taking a shoot shit on the Elite for a long time lol. Working or not, the Bucks and co. have proven to be ultra sensitive when people come at them on Twitter, they literally had their dad post on their account that they needed a break from the criticism they received for the first few eps of Dynamite lol.

    Trust me I get what you're saying about AEW cycling through but we're not talking about Private Party or Bucher and the Blade. FTR/The Revival, arguably the best team in the world. I get that people want more than anything to just keep saying "AEW>WWE" for whatever reason but in this case, The Revival fucked themselves. If the Young Bucks were booked this way by Vince and co. oh my God the hate would be insane. But since it's happening outside of WWE it's somehow not that bad.

    Because they're winning.

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    But none of the things you've posted strike me as bad booking. Like what, other than losing to the Bucks and having a competitive match with Marko, are you constituting as bad booking or goofiness? Because you've only gave vague statements on how they've been handled with minimal examples.

    The only other thing I can see is them beating a "boring team," which is completely a matter of a opinion and not one many share with you. And while I don't like that Marko is so heavily involved with the product, he has started getting over. It's not like Dax fought him one on one and was getting stomped, or like they were made to look like chumps.

    Mox lost the title and wasn't on TV for a month. Which I think is a perfectly fine way to let him cool off, let Kenny sink into his new role as champ, and have a hyped return to continue the feud.

    And I would take the way they've been booked in AEW over anything they did on the main roster. That's not even meant to be an "AEW>WWE" argument as much as it's just my legit opinion. Literally them losing to Young Bucks is the only thing I see as bad enough to question the booking.

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    If you don't like what's happening because they lost the titles quickly and had a competitive match with a team involving Marko Stunt, then fair enough. I'm not the biggest fan of it either.
    Butt just because we don't like it doesn't mean they're getting buried.

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    You also way more to go off of collectively with The Revival on the main roster than the 15 matches I keep hearing about that they've had in AEW.

    That goes back to what I said about people trying to say within 12 months Jon Moxley somehow trumped everything he did in a 6+ year period in WWE. Laughable. Imagine saying Kurt Angle's first year in TNA-which was awesome, somehow trumped everything he did the 6 years prior in WWE. Same can be said about FTR in AEW.

    And what is vague about what I said?

    I can't argue enough that wins and losses don't dictate a push/burial. It helps. Nobody is saying FTR are a bunch of jobbers now. They're no better than what they were prior to showing up in AEW. What goofy shit did they do other than The Usos feud which was maybe half goofy half serious? They were tag-team champions, they were never booked like jobbers, they were always on the show. The only problems were they both got injured at the worst times and they were in a company that hasn't given a shit about tag-team wrestling since 1989.

    I just see their AEW run as a way to prove they're not the best tag-team like they were gloating about for 2 years, and directing a lot of it toward the competition. You can be a mark and say "oh they were working each other" I doubt that. Some wrestlers actually do speak their mind on Twitter and aren't trying to plant seeds for a possible match 2-3 years down the road lol.

    If we can sit here and read across all social media platforms that Vince went out of his way to make WCW talent look less than-even after building a HOF ceremony around 2 of the biggest names in WCW history (Sting and Goldberg), what's stopping everyone else? This isn't some WWE-exclusive tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Way worse than what? I would say Malenko and Saturn had a much better career prior to WWE than after but that's subjective. The other 2, I'll be more than happy to talk about their World title booking any day of the week. Benoit taking a backseat for Triple H v. Eugene is a prime example of just because you're a champion and winning doesn't mean you're being treated properly. You know what a backhanded compliment is? Replace compliment with booking. It happens, so that way people can throw it back in our face when it doesn't work out the way we wanted.

    I'm confused by your WCW comment. I would say that Kevin Nash for example had a much better career in WCW than WWF just from a financial position. If you want to talk about storylines, I'll put the New World Order up against anything Nash did in WWF and you're talking to THE Kevin Nash fan. Hard to respond to what you're saying when some of those guys were booked just fine in WCW (Stunning Steve, Hall and Nash's 2nd run in WCW).

    15 matches is not too early. When you've been in a promotion for 9 months that's plenty of time to figure out what's going on. I knew within 15 matches of seeing THE REVIVAL that they were fucking dope. The problem is they thought they were enough to change Vince's mind about tag-team wrestling. It's too bad they weren't able to go back to NXT if WWE wanted to still be under their umbrella. Big mistake.
    Nash within n 15 matches of his WCW career ent through three gimick changes from Master Blaster to Oz to Vinnie Vegas. He lost most of his matches and looked way more goody than FTR have ever looked.

    Steve Austin's move to WWE saw him debut as The Ringmaster, about as Goofy a gimmick as you'll get, not exactly sure how every match went, I think he won most of them but all people will remember is him losing to Savio Vega a fair bit until Dibiase left and then he got a run of luck at KOTR.

    Radicals basically lost all their early matches, Eddie was losing every match he was put in, Saturn was given a mop as a best friend and Malenko, I can barley remember him doing much. Benoit, the one they seemed actually interested in pushing was still losing to Too Cool in tag matches.

    By comparison FTR have still been pushed way better than all of these and within 15 matches are still finding their feet. They haven't been booked bad at all, maybes haven't been booked great either but they've shown intention to have them as a tipntag team, just need a bit time for it to play out

    A lot of companies just need time t

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Nash within n 15 matches of his WCW career ent through three gimick changes from Master Blaster to Oz to Vinnie Vegas. He lost most of his matches and looked way more goody than FTR have ever looked.

    Steve Austin's move to WWE saw him debut as The Ringmaster, about as Goofy a gimmick as you'll get, not exactly sure how every match went, I think he won most of them but all people will remember is him losing to Savio Vega a fair bit until Dibiase left and then he got a run of luck at KOTR.

    Radicals basically lost all their early matches, Eddie was losing every match he was put in, Saturn was given a mop as a best friend and Malenko, I can barley remember him doing much. Benoit, the one they seemed actually interested in pushing was still losing to Too Cool in tag matches.

    By comparison FTR have still been pushed way better than all of these and within 15 matches are still finding their feet. They haven't been booked bad at all, maybes haven't been booked great either but they've shown intention to have them as a tipntag team, just need a bit time for it to play out

    A lot of companies just need time t
    Oh you're talking about Nash's first run and disregarding his second run completely to fit your narrative LOL.

    "not exactly sure how every match went" then goes on to assume people only remember a loss. Even funnier.

    The Radicalz. You were trying to say that the Radicalz were booked like shit and it didn't affect them in the end so I pointed that Dean and Saturn had worse careersom WWF than in their previous promotion and yeah Benoit and Eddie went on to dominate the midcard/tag scene and had a cup of coffee as World champions post-brand split. Then died. Worked out GREAT for these 4. 2 dead, 1 homeless, 1 barely alive after 2 heart attacks. Yep.

    A lot of companies do need time but you're measuring time by # of matches. That's weird. They've been in AEW for 9 months. Let's gauge time by a realistic measure, nobody says "I'll be over to your house in a Kenny Omega/Okada 2" LOL. 9 months and this is what we're getting out of FTR. OH BUT THEY'RE WINNING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Oh you're talking about Nash's first run and disregarding his second run completely to fit your narrative LOL.

    "not exactly sure how every match went" then goes on to assume people only remember a loss. Even funnier.

    The Radicalz. You were trying to say that the Radicalz were booked like shit and it didn't affect them in the end so I pointed that Dean and Saturn had worse careersom WWF than in their previous promotion and yeah Benoit and Eddie went on to dominate the midcard/tag scene and had a cup of coffee as World champions post-brand split. Then died. Worked out GREAT for these 4. 2 dead, 1 homeless, 1 barely alive after 2 heart attacks. Yep.

    A lot of companies do need time but you're measuring time by # of matches. That's weird. They've been in AEW for 9 months. Let's gauge time by a realistic measure, nobody says "I'll be over to your house in a Kenny Omega/Okada 2" LOL. 9 months and this is what we're getting out of FTR. OH BUT THEY'RE WINNING.
    Yes because I don't have a time machine to go forward and see how FTRs careers pan out. The point was plenty people been booked far worse and came out the other end stronger. These haven't even been booked badly.

    I can name a bunch of wrestlers who have died young and make out that effects their career negatively but at the end of the day The Radicals started with terrible booking and end up with two world champions and a the other two winning multiple minor belts and had long careers in WWE. Not really the booking fault a couple had drug problems and another had a mental breakdown and killed his family though is it. Makes no sense to try and spin that way, poor attempt at deflection.

    Yeah they've been there a while but hardly in great circumstances, a worldwide pandemic with no fans in arenas and in that time one of them got injured as well.

    So all in all under the circumstances they've been booked decent enough that they are considered one of the best tag teams in the company with only one other tag team being pushed heavier in that time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Yes because I don't have a time machine to go forward and see how FTRs careers pan out. The point was plenty people been booked far worse and came out the other end stronger. These haven't even been booked badly.

    I can name a bunch of wrestlers who have died young and make out that effects their career negatively but at the end of the day The Radicals started with terrible booking and end up with two world champions and a the other two winning multiple minor belts and had long careers in WWE. Not really the booking fault a couple had drug problems and another had a mental breakdown and killed his family though is it. Makes no sense to try and spin that way, poor attempt at deflection.

    Yeah they've been there a while but hardly in great circumstances, a worldwide pandemic with no fans in arenas and in that time one of them got injured as well.

    So all in all under the circumstances they've been booked decent enough that they are considered one of the best tag teams in the company with only one other tag team being pushed heavier in that time period.
    I wasn't deflecting I was just pointing out that Saturn and Malenko did not really go on to amount to anything. Dean had 1 title run, the LHW title, wow. Booked horribly the entire time. Saturn, well...if you count his forgettable run as European champion and I think maybe he was a hardcore champ along with Gerald Briscoe and Doink the Clown, sure that was awesome lol.

    Hey, crowd or no crowd the shit sucks or the shit rules. We can't go "It might be better if a full crowd was there to react!" because plenty of stuff on AEW has been great without a crowd or minimal crowd. Same with NJPW, WWE, ROH, etc. The Rock v. Mankind in an empty arena match was amazing.

    FTR have been there long enough and have done enough to warrant an opinion that doesn't require all these excuses. Oh it's only been 15 matches (that's a lot for a pandemic if we're using that excuse), there's a pandemic, Hugh Morrus wasn't booked that well at first and look how his career turned out, etc. Yes, I 100% believe the powers that be are that petty in AEW. Why wouldn't they be? It's nothing new. Set people up to fail, happens all the time. Just because it's not the Montreal Screwjob or blatant as simply having someone lose (Tommy Dreamer lost all the time in ECW, top 5 draw of all time) doesn't mean that the people booking the show aren't making FTR look less than the people they were shooting on for 2-3 years straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I wasn't deflecting I was just pointing out that Saturn and Malenko did not really go on to amount to anything. Dean had 1 title run, the LHW title, wow. Booked horribly the entire time. Saturn, well...if you count his forgettable run as European champion and I think maybe he was a hardcore champ along with Gerald Briscoe and Doink the Clown, sure that was awesome lol.

    Hey, crowd or no crowd the shit sucks or the shit rules. We can't go "It might be better if a full crowd was there to react!" because plenty of stuff on AEW has been great without a crowd or minimal crowd. Same with NJPW, WWE, ROH, etc. The Rock v. Mankind in an empty arena match was amazing.

    FTR have been there long enough and have done enough to warrant an opinion that doesn't require all these excuses. Oh it's only been 15 matches (that's a lot for a pandemic if we're using that excuse), there's a pandemic, Hugh Morrus wasn't booked that well at first and look how his career turned out, etc. Yes, I 100% believe the powers that be are that petty in AEW. Why wouldn't they be? It's nothing new. Set people up to fail, happens all the time. Just because it's not the Montreal Screwjob or blatant as simply having someone lose (Tommy Dreamer lost all the time in ECW, top 5 draw of all time) doesn't mean that the people booking the show aren't making FTR look less than the people they were shooting on for 2-3 years straight.
    I think you've lost it a bit on this. They pushed them and gave them the titles, a manager in Tully, loads of TV time then they've came up with the fake Bullet Club and probably wanted the belts on the Bucks to push this angle that they see as bigger.

    Means FTR are on the sidelines of the title picture a bit but they'll figure it out . They were never gonna come over and be The Road Warriors, they were gonna be a tag team in the mix with about 5/6 other tag teams just below the Bucks and that's exactly were they've been positioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    I think you've lost it a bit on this. They pushed them and gave them the titles, a manager in Tully, loads of TV time then they've came up with the fake Bullet Club and probably wanted the belts on the Bucks to push this angle that they see as bigger.

    Means FTR are on the sidelines of the title picture a bit but they'll figure it out . They were never gonna come over and be The Road Warriors, they were gonna be a tag team in the mix with about 5/6 other tag teams just below the Bucks and that's exactly were they've been positioned.
    That's the problem though. They shouldn't be somewhere in the mix. The whole point of this is that FTR has been in AEW for almost a year, and they wanted to make it a point that they weren't down with the silly shit. What happened? They came to AEW and just booked horribly. Cool, they won the titles. Does Roman Reigns or John Cena ring a bell? Or Randy Orton? Or the B-Team? People win titles, it's not always a plus.

    Could it be the booking is so poor I'm trying to make excuses thinking it's just malicious booking to make FTR to come across as just as mediocre as they supposedly thought WWE were treating them? I don't know. The benefit of the doubt here is me thinking it's more than just they can't book the best tag-team of the decade any better than WWE. That's where all this stems from, the conversation about have talent been in AEW long enough to compare their runs in WWE and for the most part no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    That's the problem though. They shouldn't be somewhere in the mix. The whole point of this is that FTR has been in AEW for almost a year, and they wanted to make it a point that they weren't down with the silly shit. What happened? They came to AEW and just booked horribly. Cool, they won the titles. Does Roman Reigns or John Cena ring a bell? Or Randy Orton? Or the B-Team? People win titles, it's not always a plus.

    Could it be the booking is so poor I'm trying to make excuses thinking it's just malicious booking to make FTR to come across as just as mediocre as they supposedly thought WWE were treating them? I don't know. The benefit of the doubt here is me thinking it's more than just they can't book the best tag-team of the decade any better than WWE. That's where all this stems from, the conversation about have talent been in AEW long enough to compare their runs in WWE and for the most part no.

    I think they be pretty happy be compared to Reigns, Cena or Orton tbh

    You just have to big expectations, they are a decent team but they ain't anything special, they've been booked in the right position and spot they deserve to be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    I think they be pretty happy be compared to Reigns, Cena or Orton tbh

    You just have to big expectations, they are a decent team but they ain't anything special, they've been booked in the right position and spot they deserve to be in.
    Not in the context of being booked like shit. That's a completely different topic, being booked like dogshit, killing half the audience, while still getting a huge payday.

    I do have big expectations in terms of how I want The Revival/FTR used by any promotion that uses them. They should be treated as the #1 team in AEW, not a 5th-6th team just because the Bucks want to 2 Sweet everyone. So going back to the topic of this discussion, yes after 15 matches and 9 months during a pandemic I can safely say that AEW do not know what they are doing with FTR other than burying them into midcard status. The same way it felt WWE were doing to them at times.

    I still believe had they, along with AOP, not been injured when they were we'd be having a totally different discussion about The Revival...and the Bucks would still be begging for their attention with #FTR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Not in the context of being booked like shit. That's a completely different topic, being booked like dogshit, killing half the audience, while still getting a huge payday.

    I do have big expectations in terms of how I want The Revival/FTR used by any promotion that uses them. They should be treated as the #1 team in AEW, not a 5th-6th team just because the Bucks want to 2 Sweet everyone. So going back to the topic of this discussion, yes after 15 matches and 9 months during a pandemic I can safely say that AEW do not know what they are doing with FTR other than burying them into midcard status. The same way it felt WWE were doing to them at times.

    I still believe had they, along with AOP, not been injured when they were we'd be having a totally different discussion about The Revival...and the Bucks would still be begging for their attention with #FTR
    There's no audience to kill so you don't know if they are over or not and I'm pretty sure crowd reaction or not 99% of wrestlers would swap with Orton, Cena and Reigns. Might get jeered but still top dogs and make more money, sell more merch etc.

    Why would they be the number 1 team, they haven't earned that spot, they were a middle table team in WWE and have been elevated to probably team no2 in AEW, they are much better off so far, its up to them to get over and make sure they are top spot.

    Like it or not The Bucks are more over, have a longer history and are more marketable so they are gonna be the No1 team unless someone takes it off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    There's no audience to kill so you don't know if they are over or not and I'm pretty sure crowd reaction or not 99% of wrestlers would swap with Orton, Cena and Reigns. Might get jeered but still top dogs and make more money, sell more merch etc.

    Why would they be the number 1 team, they haven't earned that spot, they were a middle table team in WWE and have been elevated to probably team no2 in AEW, they are much better off so far, its up to them to get over and make sure they are top spot.

    Like it or not The Bucks are more over, have a longer history and are more marketable so they are gonna be the No1 team unless someone takes it off them.
    Semantics about the lack of crowd on January 20th, 2021.

    Why WOULDN'T they be the #1 team? Who's better? Nobody in any company today works better than The Revival/FTR. If the Bucks were so incredible, so over, why did it take them a year to put the titles on themselves? Does Kenny have more power? And then they couldn't even put the Bucks over so they bring in FTR to be transitional champions. Why? I already explained why 7-8 times lol.

    So ultimately no, the Revival/FTR have not been used better in AEW. Yes, you can tell that by 15 matches, 9+ months, no crowds, etc. The same you can for any other promotion right now. AEW are not immune to bad booking, shady booking, shady business practices, pettiness, and every other element in life.

    "It's up to them to get over" Dude they are over. It's up to the people with the book to put them in those spots. And who books the tag-team division? I'll give you one hint: They're the tag-team champions. How can they get to that top spot if the people in charge are going to hold them down a few spots so they don't get more over or in a bigger spot than the Bucks?

    Hey if you're cool with force feeding people who are sort of over with a few hundred thousand wrestling fans that's coo. I'm trying to see more out of AEW. Their tag division was promising when FTR showed up and this is what we get.....Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Semantics about the lack of crowd on January 20th, 2021.

    Why WOULDN'T they be the #1 team? Who's better? Nobody in any company today works better than The Revival/FTR. If the Bucks were so incredible, so over, why did it take them a year to put the titles on themselves? Does Kenny have more power? And then they couldn't even put the Bucks over so they bring in FTR to be transitional champions. Why? I already explained why 7-8 times lol.

    So ultimately no, the Revival/FTR have not been used better in AEW. Yes, you can tell that by 15 matches, 9+ months, no crowds, etc. The same you can for any other promotion right now. AEW are not immune to bad booking, shady booking, shady business practices, pettiness, and every other element in life.

    "It's up to them to get over" Dude they are over. It's up to the people with the book to put them in those spots. And who books the tag-team division? I'll give you one hint: They're the tag-team champions. How can they get to that top spot if the people in charge are going to hold them down a few spots so they don't get more over or in a bigger spot than the Bucks?

    Hey if you're cool with force feeding people who are sort of over with a few hundred thousand wrestling fans that's coo. I'm trying to see more out of AEW. Their tag division was promising when FTR showed up and this is what we get.....Wow.

    The Bucks are more over than FTR, always have been, they've also had better matches more consistently. They will have more matches and FTR have some good feuds to come so we'll see where they get but they look vanilla and aren't the greatest promo (they are decent but haven't done anything great) so they are gonna have to prove they are the best by forcing the crowd like most other wrestlers have done for the most part.

    If they get something shit, make it work like anyone else does who are worth their salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    The Bucks are more over than FTR, always have been, they've also had better matches more consistently. They will have more matches and FTR have some good feuds to come so we'll see where they get but they look vanilla and aren't the greatest promo (they are decent but haven't done anything great) so they are gonna have to prove they are the best by forcing the crowd like most other wrestlers have done for the most part.

    If they get something shit, make it work like anyone else does who are worth their salt.
    Again, FTR are over. Of course they can get more over than they are now, anyone can get more over in wrestling but a lot of times, actually more often than not, booking stifles that progression.

    And when the people who are booking you are the same people you went back and forth for years about who was the best between the two is it any shock who won that match?

    They've made everything work they've been given to the best of their ability. Which is still better than anything the Young Bucks have done. FTR are doing this all on their own steam. There's no Bullet Club history or using DX/nWo shit to get over.

    They're the best tag-team in wrestling. What tag-team cuts a better promo? I'll wait. Definitely not The Young Bucks, probably a reason we never see them on Dynamite saying more than 1 or 2 sentences. Whatever method of measurement you're using to define how over the Bucks are in comparison I'd get it checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Again, FTR are over. Of course they can get more over than they are now, anyone can get more over in wrestling but a lot of times, actually more often than not, booking stifles that progression.

    And when the people who are booking you are the same people you went back and forth for years about who was the best between the two is it any shock who won that match?

    They've made everything work they've been given to the best of their ability. Which is still better than anything the Young Bucks have done. FTR are doing this all on their own steam. There's no Bullet Club history or using DX/nWo shit to get over.

    They're the best tag-team in wrestling. What tag-team cuts a better promo? I'll wait. Definitely not The Young Bucks, probably a reason we never see them on Dynamite saying more than 1 or 2 sentences. Whatever method of measurement you're using to define how over the Bucks are in comparison I'd get it checked.

    You've clearly bought into the rivalry like a proper mark here to the point youre just making stuff up. The Bucks likely won because of the angle that has just been set up plus they've been setting their atgbtitle run up since well before FTR got there. They were losing clean to Private Party in PPs 3rd match or something to build up how they were underachieving.

    If anything FTR coming in made them swerve the Bucks beating Omega and Page which had been building for ages and they probably thought that was the easiest way to get a match out of FTR/Bucks that people had wanted to see and might pull some ratings.

    Do you think that's it for FTR now, they are gonna just start wrestling on the bottom of the card now, they'll face Bucks plenty more times in the coming couple of years and likely win the titles multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    You've clearly bought into the rivalry like a proper mark here to the point youre just making stuff up. The Bucks likely won because of the angle that has just been set up plus they've been setting their atgbtitle run up since well before FTR got there. They were losing clean to Private Party in PPs 3rd match or something to build up how they were underachieving.

    If anything FTR coming in made them swerve the Bucks beating Omega and Page which had been building for ages and they probably thought that was the easiest way to get a match out of FTR/Bucks that people had wanted to see and might pull some ratings.

    Do you think that's it for FTR now, they are gonna just start wrestling on the bottom of the card now, they'll face Bucks plenty more times in the coming couple of years and likely win the titles multiple times.
    So we have to wait a couple years to find out if they're being misused?

    I think FTR winning the belts were a way to keep the Elite from having to put the other over properly. It was already a waste of Kenny's time being in a tag-team for almost 10 months, nobody even benefited from their tag reign. Bucks would have but they had to get that win over FTR. If they had all these years why did it need to happen when it did the way it did?

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    Just wanted to say Kenny Omega’s music is quality only downloaded it a few weeks ago. Entrance aside it’s a really good song on its own.

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    They really need to enforce tag rules. I lost track of who was the legal man. I like heel private party but aren't they the faces on impact? That's a little weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    They really need to enforce tag rules. I lost track of who was the legal man. I like heel private party but aren't they the faces on impact? That's a little weird.
    There's no tag rules in AEW. But i agree with you. I don't know what the hell is going on at times.

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    FTR makes them follow tag rules. They exist, they just aren't enforced.

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    Chris Jericho was talking on his podcast months back about he's trying to help the tag division actually act like a tag division. I think he specifically mentioned Lucha Bros but that they were so used to doing lucha it wasn't as big of a deal.

    What do you expect though? 95% of AEW are the same size as WCW's CW division. They're on TNT. They are wrestling just like it was Psicosis/Super Calo/Ciclope v. Lizmark Jr/Juventud/Silver King. Only worse. Those guys ruled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Just wanted to say Kenny Omega’s music is quality only downloaded it a few weeks ago. Entrance aside it’s a really good song on its own.
    It’s on my cardio playlist. Great little tune to play while running.

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    Yeah that theme has grown on me a lot. Suits him. He has one of the better entrances in AEW.

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    Jungle Boy/Dax Harwood was the shit

    It was actually cool to see Dax wrestle in a solo environment. Always liked him, but it seemed like he showed out a lot here. Maybe a result of working with Jungle Boy, because every time I see him have a 1-on-1 match, the match kills. Dude hits deceptively hard, or at least makes it look really good, and he feels like he doesn't let innovation cover for a lack of fundamentals or storytelling.

    FTR may be getting buried, but I'm digging the feud with Jurassic Express.
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    I'm not here at all for the Cody/Shaq/Jade/BetterBrandiClone stuff. Every week it's awkward and even Cody and the announcers seem pretty uninterested. I guess Jade Cargill is alright and could have promise. She's comfortable in front of the mic I guess, but she's hella unpolished.

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    Yeah it’s awful. No idea what the point of jades inclusion even is. Is she related to Shaq and it’s a favor to him? Was it just an excuse to shoehorn Brandi into the program? I just can’t wait til it ends. Lots of major angles in AEW I’m totally uninterested in. No interest in what’s going on with omega and the bucks either, and the sting and Darby vs taz program is totally stale, although I’d put up with any stale program for that cage/Darby match

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    My only real issue with Omega and the Bucks is it felt a bit directionless up until this week when the Bucks hinted at giving the Good Brothers a shot. Like having the Bullet Club reunite only to immediately give away that Don Callis is trying to screw the Bucks seems kind of pointless. Either draw the line in the sand with The Bucks not being for it or play up the idea that "the band is back together" and drop only subtle hints for like a month. I am looking forward to the 6-man next week, though.

    I think the execution from the Sting/Darby side has been a bit meh just because they had like 2 or 3 weeks of Sting just being like, "Hey, I'm here. Who knows what I'm doing, but Darby and Cody are interesting" while Taz shit-talked with the boys. The street fight should be fun, but I wish it was like a week or two from now. I'm not sure what more they can do for a whole other month to keep the feud interesting at this point.

    I'm digging a lot of the developing things underneath, though, and the women's division is starting to have some solid showings. It just feels like some things have kind of locked into a holding pattern until Revolution.

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    Do we have any fans who used to love those cinematic matches that Sting was doing in WCW? I clearly remember that being something I was like, fuck man this is dumb. His stuff with Demon and Vampiro and then the WWF stuff with Big Show at the cemetery really made me question why I was a wrestling fan. Then better shit came on so it was all good lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    Yeah it’s awful. No idea what the point of jades inclusion even is. Is she related to Shaq and it’s a favor to him? Was it just an excuse to shoehorn Brandi into the program? I just can’t wait til it ends. Lots of major angles in AEW I’m totally uninterested in. No interest in what’s going on with omega and the bucks either, and the sting and Darby vs taz program is totally stale, although I’d put up with any stale program for that cage/Darby match
    Stale (and short underdeveloped) programs are AEW's specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Stale (and short underdeveloped) programs are AEW's specialty.
    lol

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    AEW just doesn't know how to book big guys do they, it's feels like a roster of midgets but they have a few big guys who are just mostly underutilised or badly used.

    Miro - not really buying his gamer gimmick, comes across as a normal guy who's a bit of a dick but should really be a larger than life character.

    Luchasauruas - comedy character

    Hager - bodyguard

    Wardlow - bodyguard

    Goldust - mid carder but I think they have potential to use his well for a final run if they wanted to. Not sure they know what they want to do with him.

    Archer - they don't know what to do with him, tried heal but didn't commit properly now doing the same as a face.

    Spears - jobber

    Butcher - jobber

    Hobbs - green

    Cage - used well enough so far but mid carder.

    Has WWE just signed all the big guys? Or is there anyone out there worth bring in?

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    Ryback has potential to be the face of the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Ryback has potential to be the face of the company.
    WCW in 2021 perhaps but that's about it.

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    Jungle Boy vs Dax was really was excellent. Going to be a top talent is Jungle Boy.

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    Yeah I thought Jungle Boy showed true potential in that match. The only other time I felt like someone made this kid look good and not just like everyone else was the Jericho match. Harwood is a true student of the game.

    Subject change: Ryback in AEW would be fantastic. His gimmick could be that he's constantly breaking down the 4th wall. Interrupting matches, giving away the result. Going on Twitter a week in advance to drop a storyline ending Meltzer style. He could just basically be what Dave Meltzer envisioned himself as all these years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    AEW just doesn't know how to book big guys do they, it's feels like a roster of midgets but they have a few big guys who are just mostly underutilised or badly used.

    Miro - not really buying his gamer gimmick, comes across as a normal guy who's a bit of a dick but should really be a larger than life character.

    Luchasauruas - comedy character

    Hager - bodyguard

    Wardlow - bodyguard

    Goldust - mid carder but I think they have potential to use his well for a final run if they wanted to. Not sure they know what they want to do with him.

    Archer - they don't know what to do with him, tried heal but didn't commit properly now doing the same as a face.

    Spears - jobber

    Butcher - jobber

    Hobbs - green

    Cage - used well enough so far but mid carder.

    Has WWE just signed all the big guys? Or is there anyone out there worth bring in?
    Well...if they're Bizarro WWE they probably assume only big guys were ever put over in WWE so here we are. It's a weird situation, mostly because not a single person booking in AEW has ever booked a real show in their life. What shows have we heard Cody Rhodes putting together pre-AEW? What women's matches did Kenny Omega book prior to AEW?

    The man who says he makes the final decisions is a 12 year old MNW mark trapped in a billionaire's body who cites the classic EWR wrestling sim as his credentials. That's why I'm glad I'm not a billionaire, the stupid shit my kids could apparently convince me of spending my "hard earned" money on gives me nightmares lol.

    I mean, even Luke Harper was shoehorned into a storyline that we all know was fucking ridiculous and written for someone (Matt Hardy) that wasn't even in the company lol. Fuck man you and I should just team up, your parents can loan us a few bill and we'll start up a show on CBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah I thought Jungle Boy showed true potential in that match. The only other time I felt like someone made this kid look good and not just like everyone else was the Jericho match. Harwood is a true student of the game.

    Subject change: Ryback in AEW would be fantastic. His gimmick could be that he's constantly breaking down the 4th wall. Interrupting matches, giving away the result. Going on Twitter a week in advance to drop a storyline ending Meltzer style. He could just basically be what Dave Meltzer envisioned himself as all these years.
    Nah I don’t buy he’s do anything in AEW, he’s just another Cage & Archer but obviously not as good as those two.

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    FTR out of Beach Break today. AEW putting it as a storyline saying suspended after last weeks actions. Hopefully none of them has picked up an injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    FTR out of Beach Break today. AEW putting it as a storyline saying suspended after last weeks actions. Hopefully none of them has picked up an injury.
    Or covid.

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    they've totally ran sting into the ground

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    Missed the first hour, but the second half was great. Wedding was kept short and didn't get cringy and the main event was stellar. Everyone was on top of their game in that match

    I'm confused about why Riho is in the American block of the Eliminator. Last I checked she wasn't a citizen, lol.

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    I see the Forbidden Door has actually been opened

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    All the Bullet Club guys live in Florida. They're totally gonna do AEW Bullet Club vs NJPW Bullet Club aren't they?

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    My favorite wrestler ever KENTA has had an interesting career

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    All the Bullet Club guys live in Florida. They're totally gonna do AEW Bullet Club vs NJPW Bullet Club aren't they?
    i honestly gave zero shits when new japan teased the bullet club civil war back before the elite left, but am 100% on board for this.

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    Just as AEW had begun to go through a bit of a rough patch, KENTA's here and that door appears to be coming down. Exciting stuff even if we don't know what the full extent of collaboration between AEW and New Japan will be. A Bullet Club war with Mox in the middle would be a great way to start though.

    The women's eliminator tournament with separate Japanese and American brackets is a smart way of involving the Japanese women who can't travel as well. That should be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    I see the Forbidden Door has actually been opened
    Why is it 'forbidden'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    All the Bullet Club guys live in Florida. They're totally gonna do AEW Bullet Club vs NJPW Bullet Club aren't they?
    I hope not.

    enough with the Japenese wrestlers.

    im still trying to wrap my mind around Riho being on the American side of the bracket in the Women's tourney.

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    Because she's living in or able to travel to America I'd imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    I hope not.

    enough with the Japenese wrestlers.

    im still trying to wrap my mind around Riho being on the American side of the bracket in the Women's tourney.
    More racism, Hardly the first comment on Asian wrestlers from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Why is it 'forbidden'?
    In an interview that was actually mistranslated the forbidden door became the term for the lack of cooperation between AEW and New Japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    I hope not.

    enough with the Japenese wrestlers.

    im still trying to wrap my mind around Riho being on the American side of the bracket in the Women's tourney.
    Probably because she's employed on the AEW roster and if she can travel there they want her featured heavily on the AEW brand. Maybes they've found an agreement so she can come over and do a block of shows that meets with the quarantine to keep everyone happy in the meantime.

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    Anyway this makes a lot of sense, especially in America, for all the promotions to work together. The way wrestling is these days they rip through feuds and can find they seem out of freshness even after a small amount of time.

    Some good fresh feuds to be made between AEW, NJPW, TNA and NWA if they work together and all can only benefit.

    It might get to the point down the line where that's no longer the case but should be able to get a couple of years out of this where it's good for all involved.

    Good to see KENTA back, feels like he has something to prove in the West after his WWE run which started as a big deal but quickly just became poor through injury and booking. Hopefully he gets a proper chance to show what he's got here.

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    KENTA is dope. I wish he didn't have those 2 serious injuries in NXT as I felt he was destined for more. I dig that shirt he was rockin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    More racism, Hardly the first comment on Asian wrestlers from you.
    Thats not racism.
    it preference for wrestlers that I can relate to. Due to culture, language, country of origin or live in which we have in common.

    period.
    you don't know me or how many different continents and people .I've gone to and poured my life into that are different cultures and even -gasp! - colors at times, so you can take a flying leap with your media induced knee jerk over the top reactionary fake cries of 'racism' you freaking neo-Commie.

    Now just leave me alone when you see my detestable racist quotes and perhaps I won't ruin your day.
    I certainly skip by your posts without even bothering to read them (and have for years now). Try doing so with mine. It will decrease your stress being subjected to a vile racist like me.

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    Yeah I think it's just Peter being Peter ever since he was banned for saying racist comments. I mean, AEW have like 2 Japanese wrestlers which to me is very odd BUT I believe it's obviously due to Covid restrictions hitting them 4-5 months after starting up. WWE don't exactly go out of their way to sign international wrestlers especially ones who don't speak English. That's why they wanted to start up NXT Japan. That's why they're doing the India stuff.

    Screaming RACIST just sounds ridiculous here.

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    Great 2nd hour to the show, very interesting ending indeed.

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