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    why do you want your new world champions first televised wrestling appearance as world champion to be on a show a max of 1% of your audience watches

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    I honestly think it’s more to boost impact’s ratings than anything.

    also just thought about how fun AEW women vs impact’s awesome KO division could be. Also The North vs The Young Bucks would be sick.

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    i mean, they could do this for the TV title. sure. tag titles even. but the world title???

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    Dude it’s just an appearance to get impact some views. Omega and Jericho are great friends with Callis, so they’re just helping them a bit.

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    This was also the perfect place for Moxley to lose the title. He had a full run, had a bit of a dull start, but had a hot string of matches over the last few months while starting to fire on all cylinders and really find his footing and niche as the face of AEW. He pretty much reached the peak point where had they gone longer, you risk people turning on him. And then they have him lost like this and not only reset that heat, but put over how strong of a champion he was that he had to lose like this.

    I'm looking forward to an eventual match with Cody beefing about calling himself the Ace while Mox is champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    I honestly think it’s more to boost impact’s ratings than anything.

    also just thought about how fun AEW women vs impact’s awesome KO division could be. Also The North vs The Young Bucks would be sick.
    Ethan Page's contract is supposed to expire soon so they better do it now.

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    Fuuuuck hold up, they could do Bucks vs MCMG again.

    Bucks and Omega with Gallows and Anderson mini reunion.

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    I really enjoyed Dynamite tonight. Great episode and I'm happy to see Omega win the title. Hopefully he has a good run. Becoming a heel helps i think.
    I'm not too excited about the TNA cross over though. Kinda meh for me.

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    Personally I thought the whole episode was extremely predictable. Not necessarily bad wrestling in curtain matches, just extremely easy to see what is coming, which isn't even always the case in Vincent Kland. And that leads to boring tv eventually.

    Last week, I posted on the 'front page' that the battle royal would come down to MJF vs Cassidy, with the guy who has the new super man punch (Cassidy) winning the match and super sized ring, great for punching of course. Very basic, predictable booking there.

    the second the lights went off, I said, "Sting" . It's been so IN YOUR FACE obvious he was coming with the WWE removing his merchandise plus Darby Allen dressing like Sting, wearing make-up like Sting and then finally hiding in the rafters of the 'arena' like Sting. Subtle is something AEW doesn't do at all let alone well....

    Another Young Bucks "aren't we assholes" interview. You mean they're facing another jabroni tag team next week? Wow, there's something new for them....

    But thank Harley. I'm so sick of hearing how unbeatably tough John Moxley is. Kenny Omega the cheater is my new favorite AEW wrestler for setting us free from the curse of Moxley toughguy Promos..... I hope.

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    This was kind of a weird episode. What happened in the ring was good, but there was a big a schmoz after every match. Felt like overkill. And that segment with the guy saying the Young Bucks were staring at each others junk. Is this 2002?!

    I liked the Hangman/Dark Order stuff. If you follow BTE, then it makes sense.

    Remember that comment Tony Khan made about "changing the balance of power in wrestling"? Well, the conclusion of the Moxley/Omega match has to be the pay off to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    That theme is awesome. I don't understand what exactly he's going to do in AEW though.
    Sell his merch, lend his likeness to AEW products (they've got 2 video games coming out), mentoring people, etc. There's a ton of things he can do outside the ring for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Personally I thought the whole episode was extremely predictable. Not necessarily bad wrestling in curtain matches, just extremely easy to see what is coming, which isn't even always the case in Vincent Kland. And that leads to boring tv eventually.

    Last week, I posted on the 'front page' that the battle royal would come down to MJF vs Cassidy, with the guy who has the new super man punch (Cassidy) winning the match and super sized ring, great for punching of course. Very basic, predictable booking there.

    the second the lights went off, I said, "Sting" . It's been so IN YOUR FACE obvious he was coming with the WWE removing his merchandise plus Darby Allen dressing like Sting, wearing make-up like Sting and then finally hiding in the rafters of the 'arena' like Sting. Subtle is something AEW doesn't do at all let alone well....

    Another Young Bucks "aren't we assholes" interview. You mean they're facing another jabroni tag team next week? Wow, there's something new for them....

    But thank Harley. I'm so sick of hearing how unbeatably tough John Moxley is. Kenny Omega the cheater is my new favorite AEW wrestler for setting us free from the curse of Moxley toughguy Promos..... I hope.
    Darby has always done his face paint and dressed how he does, it has nothing to do with Sting.

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    I wonder if WWE thinks Shotzi Blackheart will win in the ratings war lol.

    Seriously, great show of AEW! Sting showing up was a holy shit moment for me. The main event was awesome. I loved the ending with Omega needing to cheat. The announcers sold it so well. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think they will eventually build to Omega vs Page again. I wonder who will be the first contender.

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    STING SHOWING UP WAS LIKE WTFUUUUUUUUCK

    Nice episode. No PAC? Or did I miss him in the battle royal?

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    he was not there

    i loled at kingston just jumping on the mic at the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    STING SHOWING UP WAS LIKE WTFUUUUUUUUCK

    Nice episode. No PAC? Or did I miss him in the battle royal?
    I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Darby has always done his face paint and dressed how he does, it has nothing to do with Sting.
    Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

    I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

    Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

    I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

    And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Movie

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    I like that Tony Khan playing EWR with his dad's money is giving us old timers something to look forward to. I wish WWE did stuff like this where they brought back legends but it seems they only want to bring back people who can still work and do look 100.

    Sting is 61 years old and look about 81 last night. WCW 3.0 in full effect.

    Oh and while I'm glad Kenny won the title, fuck the story. I have no desire to see AEW and Impact working together. My son thinks it's all just to get Gallows and Anderson working with AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

    I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

    Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

    I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

    And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Movie
    do you know what rafters are

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    If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

    He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

    I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

    Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

    I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

    And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Movie
    I must have missed Sting wearing jean shorts over tights with a belt. You're an idiot. I never said he wasn't influenced by him, I'm sure Finn Balor was too. It didn't mean Sting was going to NXT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

    He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.
    Ok, ND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Ok, ND.
    Oh shit I didn't even know you were still alive good job bro I was worried there for a second bro you are fuckin dope bro I hope you're feeling ok bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

    He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.
    Don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t know he’s not there for the money. It’s still a cool thing for the company. We know he’s not there for the company or the long run but only put over people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.
    Or they can create a new show that would air on TV. Wasn't that in the works anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t know he’s not there for the money. It’s still a cool thing for the company. We know he’s not there for the company or the long run but only put over people.
    How? He's 61 years old and can't even wrestle. Remember, he retired at the WWE HOF supposedly for real. Hanging out with old man Sting isn't exactly putting people over. So what is his purpose other than appealing to tiny % of fans that are consistently killing off the fans while simultaneously not creating any new fans of the sport....

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    to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I wonder if WWE thinks Shotzi Blackheart will win in the ratings war lol.

    Seriously, great show of AEW! Sting showing up was a holy shit moment for me. The main event was awesome. I loved the ending with Omega needing to cheat. The announcers sold it so well. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think they will eventually build to Omega vs Page again. I wonder who will be the first contender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on
    I kind of like the idea of Sting being AEW's enforcer and showing up once in a while to defuse in ring brawls when they get out of hand.

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    Jericho looked awful last night. He was so fat and bloated. His frigging pants almost fell off. What is going on with him?

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    He's probably depressed and stopped working out since his pal Don lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    How? He's 61 years old and can't even wrestle. Remember, he retired at the WWE HOF supposedly for real. Hanging out with old man Sting isn't exactly putting people over. So what is his purpose other than appealing to tiny % of fans that are consistently killing off the fans while simultaneously not creating any new fans of the sport....
    Who says he has to wrestle? Obviously he can do a angle or a storyline, same like old man Hogan did when he popped up in wwe. Doubt it’s a tiny % too way more than that he’s appealing too and no doubt will have hardcore fans thinking I’ll check AEW out see what Stings all about on there.
    Last edited by Chris Scott; December 3rd, 2020 at 5:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I kind of like the idea of Sting being AEW's enforcer and showing up once in a while to defuse in ring brawls when they get out of hand.
    And this is what we call a storyline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on
    I saw him and Shawn Michaels on the Jesus Network years ago, now that was spooky....They both had shirts on too but had crosses instead of bats....

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Who says he has to wrestle? Obviously he can do a angle, same like old man Hogan did when he popped up in wwe. Doubt it’s a tiny % too way more than that he’s appealing too and no doubt will have hardcore fans thinking I’ll check AEW out see what Stings all about on there.

    Like I said bruh, hanging out with Old Man Sting isn't exactly putting people over but I'll give it a chance. Why? Because I'm turning 39 and when I was 15 I really liked brown haired 1996 Sting and obviously Brandon Lee is god-level so he's hitting me there with the look.

    But ultimately I find it a step backwards because this is tv time that should be going to someone/something else born within the last 3-4 decades, idk. I'm giving it a chance but that doesn't mean much when I give damn near everything a chance these days. We're revisiting nostalgia everywhere else in entertainment might as well keep the ball rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.
    Imagine this happening. Would be good like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I saw him and Shawn Michaels on the Jesus Network years ago, now that was spooky....They both had shirts on too but had crosses instead of bats....




    Like I said bruh, hanging out with Old Man Sting isn't exactly putting people over but I'll give it a chance. Why? Because I'm turning 39 and when I was 15 I really liked brown haired 1996 Sting and obviously Brandon Lee is god-level so he's hitting me there with the look.

    But ultimately I find it a step backwards because this is tv time that should be going to someone/something else born within the last 3-4 decades, idk. I'm giving it a chance but that doesn't mean much when I give damn near everything a chance these days. We're revisiting nostalgia everywhere else in entertainment might as well keep the ball rolling.
    Well it’s the first thing they’ve done with an old legend guy coming in, he’s showed up once. Like you mentioned give it a chance, see what happens.

    I still think who ever gets the run it will help them get over no matter what level they’re currently at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman31 View Post
    Jericho looked awful last night. He was so fat and bloated. His frigging pants almost fell off. What is going on with him?
    Aye he certainly did. Think his days are unfortunately winding down. Hopefully they have him more concentrating on building the Inner Circle chaos.

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    Jericho should be strictly a tag team wrestler.

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    Darby and Sting have almost nothing in common. They wear face paint. That's about it.

    It's kind of annoying.

    Sting was a body-building 80s hero, turned silent vigilante with a steel resolve

    Darby is an under-weight, scrappy, underdog with a high pain tolerance and no fear who won't back down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    Darby and Sting have almost nothing in common. They wear face paint. That's about it.

    It's kind of annoying.

    Sting was a body-building 80s hero, turned silent vigilante with a steel resolve

    Darby is an under-weight, scrappy, underdog with a high pain tolerance and no fear who won't back down
    Khan and co. were apparently big fans of WCW's last 2 years because it's just like with Sting and Vampiro. They had NOTHING in common at all but were dubbed "Brothers In Paint" That made more sense when Sting was teaming with Road Warriors as they all had a similar background. Vampiro's history was totallllly different than Sting and they didn't have a history together so wtf was the point? It was almost like we were being sold a feud based on white and black face paint. ICP gets in the mix it's now gang warfare? Lol.

    I'm sure the connection will be the paint and then they'll build off that. Maybe the brooding element of each man's character. But ultimately it is simply they both have black and white facepaint and AEW is all about "big brother" relationships although here it's more like Grandfather and grandson.

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    Sting can probably do some cinematic matches for AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    do you know what rafters are
    Yes, they are exactly where Darby Allin is told to sit the month before Sting shows up. wtf.

    All alone.

    at the fa king top of the venue brah.

    It doesn't necessarily mean he had to be in the actual walkway at the top exactly like the Stinger was (if there is one in such a small place)

    perhaps they wanted him seated all alone in the Bob Uecker Seats to get the point across clearly yet subtlly at the same time for those who can use their brains without seeing it on the front page of the wrestling news?

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    Like I just told my wife: "I'm the idiot online arguing with some guy who says my proof that had me saying
    'Sting!' Before he ever showed up must be wrong because he couldn't see what obviously allowed me to figure out Sting was coming in advance."
    Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Like I just told my wife: "I'm the idiot online arguing with some guy who says my proof that had me saying
    'Sting!' Before he ever showed up must be wrong because he couldn't see what obviously allowed me to figure out Sting was coming in advance."
    Too funny.
    you must lead an interesting life

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    I honestly don't know how Matt Morrison has kept up this routine for 20 years. It has to be tiring.

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    Also, if you say 'rafters' that does not equal 'nose bleed seats'

    'rafters' means 'rafters'

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    Is this going to be like your going to bed and you're going to bed? Who gives a shit? It's dude trying to start shit with someone who says even dumber shit. It's a tired gimmick that shockingly hasn't died in 20 years. Don't get sucked into it. We all understood what dude meant when he said "rafters" Who gives a fuck? Matthew definitely doesn't he's just a bitch ass mark.

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    wait until i tell my wife about this

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    Anyway, enough about rafters and back to AEW.

    I will admit after having a couple days to digest I am growing a little more intrigued with what might be going on with AEW and Impact. I look at similar to when TNA had a working relationship with ROH. I don't remember any invasion stuff though, that was more CZW v. ROH. Impact just doesn't have the roster to make it really awesome. FTR v. The North doesn't exactly blow my wig.

    Kofi Kingston Jr v. Kenny Omega doesn't blow me away. Don Callis has never been cool, even when he had a jewel in his forehead. Although the tag-team with Rick Martel has me wondering what could have been.....

    Ugh...This is one of those angles where we'll have to for sure wait and see how it all plays out obviously since it's super fucking early but what kills me is Impact isn't TNA and TNA wasn't cool after they lost the Hardyz and Drew...even then it was barely worth a fuck. Although I have to admit the idea of Ken fuckin Shamrock v. Moxley would be dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    wait until i tell my wife about this
    Holy shit this whole time I thought Morrison was a dude. Although you could still be a man and be the wife it's almost 2021 we're beyond labels.

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    I would like the conversation about rafters to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    I would like the conversation about rafters to continue.
    Ok.



    This is Sting coming down from the rafters. Darby was sitting in the nose bleed seats. They're not the same thing and nwo4life is an idiot.

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    It says a lot when Sting causes the most activity this thread has ever seen and it's mostly trolling about rafters lol.

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    It says a lot about what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    It says a lot about what?
    Your life. This whole message board is your dream come true, your very own Truman Show. Only YOU are the camera. Weird right? You are the actual camera. You're like a modernized Soundwave bruh

    *Edit* Naw fuck that I just looked it up you're Refraktor. Bitch ass Refraktor.

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    As far as AEW working with Impact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Tony Khan wants to work with as many companies as he can. With Harold Meiji gone, it's more likely a partnership with New Japan will materialize. 2021 should be a crazy year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    As far as AEW working with Impact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Tony Khan wants to work with as many companies as he can. With Harold Meiji gone, it's more likely a partnership with New Japan will materialize. 2021 should be a crazy year.
    I don't think it's so much Tony Khan as it is the nature of the business. New Japan works with other companies, Impact works with other companies, WWE even works with other companies and not just wrestling promotions. I mean, half of AEW's roster on Dynamite works for at least 1 other promotion. They even feature the NWA Women's champion more than their own.

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    It's a nice though trying to help TNA but I don't think there's a single wrestler that could jump to TNA and make me watch. I love Taker but if they announced he jumped to TNA I would end up just being sad for Taker's mental health and still wouldn't watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I don't think it's so much Tony Khan as it is the nature of the business. New Japan works with other companies, Impact works with other companies, WWE even works with other companies and not just wrestling promotions. I mean, half of AEW's roster on Dynamite works for at least 1 other promotion. They even feature the NWA Women's champion more than their own.
    This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

    I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

    I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.
    What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

    Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

    Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.
    vhs typically has these shit takes. best explanation you'll get out of him is a link to a youtube vid or a gif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

    Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.
    Right, most haven't. But they've depended the most from the folks that have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    Right, most haven't. But they've depended the most from the folks that have.
    fucking duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    It's a nice though trying to help TNA but I don't think there's a single wrestler that could jump to TNA and make me watch. I love Taker but if they announced he jumped to TNA I would end up just being sad for Taker's mental health and still wouldn't watch.
    The Rock inducted Ken Shamrock and I forgot all about it that's how important TNA is to me now. But around 2005 up until shit I'd say whenever they were doing Wolves v. Hardyz v. Team 3-D I was very into it. They had their ups and downs like anything else but when they were easy to watch on Spike, I was very into the product.

    Now it looks like shit and the stories are fuckin dumb for the most part. I'm not a fan of really anyone there other than Ken Shamrock and the Club. Women's division is still pretty interesting but that's about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

    I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.
    I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

    Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.
    I think it's fair to say the WWE are living rent free in the roster's head. Those that are trying to do their own thing and not worry about what quirky meme or tweet they can come up with or promo shot at the WWE, those are going to be the true stars. It's still early for AEW. Their main focus is whatever Chris Jericho and WCW 1998 are interested in doing.

    But like I said above....AEW wants to be considered an alternative, well Pepsi is an alternative to Coke and they get praised and shit on just as much as the other. AEW and some of their fans needs to grow a set, stop worrying about Cornette, maybe stop catering to that 35-85 demographic.

    Imagine 20 years and a company acting like we were supposed to be hype for muthafuckin Pedro Morales scaring away DX. Or shit imagine if Warrior returned and took out Nexus.....Ok maybe that would have been cool IDK but still. I'm still not understanding why they hate Kenny Omega so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    fucking duh.
    Holy frick, we agree?



    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show
    Ehh, yeah. AEW does have the plus side of not being WWE, who has almost entirely shit the bed (creatively) during the last 9 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    The Rock inducted Ken Shamrock and I forgot all about it that's how important TNA is to me now. But around 2005 up until shit I'd say whenever they were doing Wolves v. Hardyz v. Team 3-D I was very into it. They had their ups and downs like anything else but when they were easy to watch on Spike, I was very into the product.

    Now it looks like shit and the stories are fuckin dumb for the most part. I'm not a fan of really anyone there other than Ken Shamrock and the Club. Women's division is still pretty interesting but that's about it.



    I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show.



    I think it's fair to say the WWE are living rent free in the roster's head. Those that are trying to do their own thing and not worry about what quirky meme or tweet they can come up with or promo shot at the WWE, those are going to be the true stars. It's still early for AEW. Their main focus is whatever Chris Jericho and WCW 1998 are interested in doing.

    But like I said above....AEW wants to be considered an alternative, well Pepsi is an alternative to Coke and they get praised and shit on just as much as the other. AEW and some of their fans needs to grow a set, stop worrying about Cornette, maybe stop catering to that 35-85 demographic.

    Imagine 20 years and a company acting like we were supposed to be hype for muthafuckin Pedro Morales scaring away DX. Or shit imagine if Warrior returned and took out Nexus.....Ok maybe that would have been cool IDK but still. I'm still not understanding why they hate Kenny Omega so much.
    I'm all for arguing that AEW isn't doing enough to be different from WWE or are too focused on competing with them or have their own hypocritical flaws. I don't 100% agree with all of that, but I see the merit. I just don't really feel like VHS's complaint is particularly true. They're partially reliant on previous WWE stars and non-signed talent, but I think they have put a lot of shine on guys like Darby, Jungle Boy, Team Taz, MJF, and that's just naming a few.

    On top of that, there's nothing wrong to spotlight former stars in popular companies when they're tired of working other places. The roster might be inflated, but the focus is spread through most corners of the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I'm all for arguing that AEW isn't doing enough to be different from WWE or are too focused on competing with them or have their own hypocritical flaws. I don't 100% agree with all of that, but I see the merit. I just don't really feel like VHS's complaint is particularly true. They're partially reliant on previous WWE stars and non-signed talent, but I think they have put a lot of shine on guys like Darby, Jungle Boy, Team Taz, MJF, and that's just naming a few.

    On top of that, there's nothing wrong to spotlight former stars in popular companies when they're tired of working other places. The roster might be inflated, but the focus is spread through most corners of the roster.
    So many wrestlers have worked for WWE over the years it's hard not to find someone who hasn't worked under their umbrella in some capacity.

    That's not the knock from my end because no wrestling company has ever been 100% homegrown talent. The knock from me is when I see fans immediately think AEW is doing better with them or that wrestlers should leave WWE-not ROH, NJPW, etc but just WWE- and go to AEW to get treated better. Based on what?

    Which leads me to the talent like MJF, Jungle Boy, and Darby Allin. Those 3 right there could be top guys that only die hard super fans of the indies knew about but the rest of us would give props to AEW for putting them on a much much bigger platform than they were getting previously. The problem is that too many people in AEW are hellbent on telling Vince to suck it, like he fucking cares.

    Vince knowingly put NXT up against AEW. Here's what gets lost in the conversation. AEW super fans will be like "Oh Vince fucked himself by putting NXT on at the same night he'd have a lot more viewers if he didn't split the audience like that" Well no what he did was also take away AEW's audience-which are basically one in the same. And Vince knew that his fanbase could watch NXT on the Network as well. USA isn't kicking WWE to the curb anytime soon and WWE know this isn't 1995. They make more money now than when they had Austin and The Rock headlining.

    So AEW needs to let WWE go, and worry about what they have now because they are sacrificing too much just to cater to people my age. I'll 39 Saturday, I had my time as a fan. MOST people my age stopped watching wrestling 20+ years ago. Even the MNW had weak numbers compared to Friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Shaq tonight on Dynamite.
    Cool said 1998.

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    Shaq's one of the most famous NBA players in history and one of the current analysts on TNT's NBA coverage. Let's not pretend he hasn't been relevant since 1998 like he was some z-lister that had his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago.

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    Did anyone watch Impact?

    The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

    The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Shaq's one of the most famous NBA players in history and one of the current analysts on TNT's NBA coverage. Let's not pretend he hasn't been relevant since 1998 like he was some z-lister that had his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago.
    In the NBA, sure. In the wrestling world, no. He wasn't even relevant a few years ago when they kept trying to make Shaq v. Big Show a thing.

    It's like with Tyson. Wow, he showed up in AEW and nobody gave a fuck. I get why Shaq is appearing, but for anyone to act like this is cool or some big deal in wrestling.....It wasn't even a big deal back in 1994-1995 when he cornered Hulk Hogan. If you're a fan, cool. I was a fan of Shaq once, when he was on my Celtics and did nothing but look odd in our jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Did anyone watch Impact?

    The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

    The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.
    It'll be interesting to see how a guy who never had to worry about carrying a storyline outside of what he does in the ring will do as World champion. I have been waiting for Kenny Omega to win the AEW title since day one but what bothers me is how bad he is on the mic. I mean he's fucking terrible. Even in interviews he's very awkward, maybe he's just a socially awkward dude but man he needs serious help. He shouldn't have trouble finding help considering he has his own mentor from the 80's/90's in Don Callis beause you know AEW can't really fuck with someone unless they have a former WCW/WWF guy mentoring them.

    I did find it funny that some comments online talked about Swann being frustrated like he was the lesser champion of the two and let's be honest, despite TNA's unheard of longevity, he is the lesser of the two. Swann is probably the worst Impact champion in history and I'm pretty sure they had Moose as champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It'll be interesting to see how a guy who never had to worry about carrying a storyline outside of what he does in the ring will do as World champion. I have been waiting for Kenny Omega to win the AEW title since day one but what bothers me is how bad he is on the mic. I mean he's fucking terrible. Even in interviews he's very awkward, maybe he's just a socially awkward dude but man he needs serious help. He shouldn't have trouble finding help considering he has his own mentor from the 80's/90's in Don Callis beause you know AEW can't really fuck with someone unless they have a former WCW/WWF guy mentoring them.

    I did find it funny that some comments online talked about Swann being frustrated like he was the lesser champion of the two and let's be honest, despite TNA's unheard of longevity, he is the lesser of the two. Swann is probably the worst Impact champion in history and I'm pretty sure they had Moose as champion.
    Oh, he most certainly is the lesser of the two, but I just think it's nice that they acknowledged it in storyline rather than writing off like the Impact Champion would just be happy to have his spotlight overshadowed by another company's champion. That said, I don't really have an interest in seeing a Kenny/Swann program.

    I think Kenny's mic work is fine as a heel because he doesn't necessarily have to impress you, but I agree that it's easily his weakest asset. I think if he has Callis fill in the blanks for him and you let Kenny just play up this sleazy, full-of-himself asshole who is constantly in need of reassurance, the personality could make up for the shoddy mic skills. But we'll see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Oh, he most certainly is the lesser of the two, but I just think it's nice that they acknowledged it in storyline rather than writing off like the Impact Champion would just be happy to have his spotlight overshadowed by another company's champion. That said, I don't really have an interest in seeing a Kenny/Swann program.

    I think Kenny's mic work is fine as a heel because he doesn't necessarily have to impress you, but I agree that it's easily his weakest asset. I think if he has Callis fill in the blanks for him and you let Kenny just play up this sleazy, full-of-himself asshole who is constantly in need of reassurance, the personality could make up for the shoddy mic skills. But we'll see how it goes.
    Oh yeah man I'm glad they did acknowledge it on screen because I'm sure a lot of people who may have watched were thinking exactly like me when it comes to Swann.

    The bold part is what I'm going to focus on real quick because I think as a heel, you most definitely have to impress on the mic more than anything. Especially when your in-ring work is as good as Omega's. Especially over the last fuck....20 years, where more often than not, a great in-ring wrestler trying to be a heel gets cheered more than the babyface. I'm not saying it's a make or break but I want to look back 6 months from now and be like damn, Kenny is the total fucking package.

    So he needs to be able to do something other than heelish in-ring tactics to really get to that next level for me. He's already one of my absolute favorites to watch, but I've never felt the need to boo the guy but one time in my life and that was when he helped beat up AJ Styles lol. Plus I want to see the end of these mentors as I call them. If you can't talk, find someone better than Impact's Don Callis-which I'm hearing is not going to be anything long term and that's from AEW's own Dave Meltzer.

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    To be honest i fast forwarded the entire Impact show just to see what Omega was going to say. I don't really find TNA interesting or intriguing at all.

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    i'm shook to the core

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Ok.



    This is Sting coming down from the rafters. Darby was sitting in the nose bleed seats. They're not the same thing and nwo4life is an idiot.
    Well Sting just finished saying you are in fact the one who was wrong. (Nice way to respond in this day and age of rudeness and pride gone wild.)

    gotta run and say say goodnight to my son who has autism. Peace to all.

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    Still nosebleed seats. Thanks for the status update.

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    i thought mjf/cassidy was one of the best matches of the year, but the ending sucked.

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    Ending could have been stronger, though I didn't hate it. A decent way to keep the ring on MJF(who makes more sense to have it), further the feud with Miro, and have Cassidy lose without looking weaker than MJF.

    But I agree that the match as a whole was one of the better ones this year.

    The rest of the episode felt a bit meh. But the opening match was good.

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    I was hoping Sting would say more and we'd see Good Brothers.

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    I guess I enjoyed this episode more than most. It felt like it was jam packed and rarely had a dull moment. The Shaq/Brandy segment was pretty tame, but other than that, there was always something going on.

    The main event was damn good. Probably MJF's best showing this year. And Best Friends made the logical decision to go in the back and getting help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Did anyone watch Impact?

    The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

    The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.
    The highlights of Impact for me was the tag team main event and the continuation of the ridiculous attempted murder storyline.

    "I didn't do it. Anyway, let's have a match and if I win, I'm free, but if I lose, I go to jail."

    Not having any crowd noise hurt the show, but at the least there was nothing too cringy.

    I also forgot Emma was still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I guess I enjoyed this episode more than most. It felt like it was jam packed and rarely had a dull moment. The Shaq/Brandy segment was pretty tame, but other than that, there was always something going on.

    The main event was damn good. Probably MJF's best showing this year. And Best Friends made the logical decision to go in the back and getting help.



    The highlights of Impact for me was the tag team main event and the continuation of the ridiculous attempted murder storyline.

    "I didn't do it. Anyway, let's have a match and if I win, I'm free, but if I lose, I go to jail."

    Not having any crowd noise hurt the show, but at the least there was nothing too cringy.

    I also forgot Emma was still there.
    We can't even blame this on covid-19. They normally don't have people there as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Ending could have been stronger, though I didn't hate it. A decent way to keep the ring on MJF(who makes more sense to have it), further the feud with Miro, and have Cassidy lose without looking weaker than MJF.

    But I agree that the match as a whole was one of the better ones this year.

    The rest of the episode felt a bit meh. But the opening match was good.
    I wouldn’t have minded so much of the clothesline didn’t suck and make zero connection. A match that good deserved a strong ending not a dud of an ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    We can't even blame this on covid-19. They normally don't have people there as it is.
    So they were wrestling in dead silence pre-Covid? That's rough. By now, I would have thought they'd follow WWE's example and pipe in some crowd noise. It can't be that hard to do.

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    “AEW: 995,000
    NXT: 659,000


    AEW #2 on all of cable and #1 on all of cable in males 18-49 (0.57), and an 0.45 in persons 18-49.”



    jesus christ

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    Sting and AEW v. Impact. NXT just needs to have Luger show up and then start a feud with Ring of Honor. Then at Mania it could be AEW and Impact v. NXT and ROH in WAR GAMES hosted by Shotzi Blackhart and Brandi Rhodes. Naked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    “AEW: 995,000
    NXT: 659,000


    AEW #2 on all of cable and #1 on all of cable in males 18-49 (0.57), and an 0.45 in persons 18-49.”



    jesus christ
    Damn, that's great for AEW.

    Impact also drew 750,000, which is their highest viewership since joining axs tv last year. I guess this proves that Omega is a legit draw?

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    I would have tuned in for any AEW wrestler appearing on Impact, for the novelty of it.

    But - Kenny is a draw also.

    Combine those, but I was there for the angle. Kenny was a bonus

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    Was thoroughly enjoying Orange/MJF, but there was just too much going on around the ring. Too many bodies and then adding Miro in at the end, it was a cluster.

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    I'm sure the intention right now is to advance as many feuds as possible with so many eyes on the product. Things will probably slow down in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I'm sure the intention right now is to advance as many feuds as possible with so many eyes on the product. Things will probably slow down in January.
    One thing AEW isn't known for is slowing down. They have convoluted storylines that bleed into each other with no real purpose and it's impossible to follow at times. That's why the show has never been that good as an actual tv show. The storyline aspect is not there and there's no excuse for it when you have the likes of Arn Anderson, Jake the Snake, Goldust, Dean, Tully, the list goes on of credible veterans including Cody Rhodes who worked for the WWE for how many years under how many great talents including his own Father?

    That's a big result of people who grew up watching or were part of booking late 90's Raw, Nitro, etc. because that's how these shows would go sometimes. WCW having a Nitro end without 40 people fighting would have been unheard of during their peak years. People forget, not everything was cool and not every segment worked. That shit was not fun to know you're sitting through 2-3 hours of Nitro just for it end with a bullshit finish where 90 dudes came out to rape Savage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    One thing AEW isn't known for is slowing down. They have convoluted storylines that bleed into each other with no real purpose and it's impossible to follow at times. That's why the show has never been that good as an actual tv show. The storyline aspect is not there and there's no excuse for it when you have the likes of Arn Anderson, Jake the Snake, Goldust, Dean, Tully, the list goes on of credible veterans including Cody Rhodes who worked for the WWE for how many years under how many great talents including his own Father?

    That's a big result of people who grew up watching or were part of booking late 90's Raw, Nitro, etc. because that's how these shows would go sometimes. WCW having a Nitro end without 40 people fighting would have been unheard of during their peak years. People forget, not everything was cool and not every segment worked. That shit was not fun to know you're sitting through 2-3 hours of Nitro just for it end with a bullshit finish where 90 dudes came out to rape Savage.
    I recall a stretch of a couple months when they first moved to Daily's Place where there wasn't a whole lot going on. Lots of tag matches without too much advancement in the storyline department. Once they got in the groove, things did pick up. I'm not trying to be contrary just for the sake of it, but I'm fine with how AEW runs their shows. I enjoy the roughness and how it doesn't follow the standard wrestling show formula. WWE is so controlled that It's refreshing to sit down and watch something which is unpolished. It's purely optional viewing, but I also watch BTE and Sammy's Vlog pretty regularly which does fill in the holes. It would be nice to see more development with Hangman and the Dark Order on Dynamite because they've been developing that story pretty heavily on BTE.

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    Keep an eye on Alex Gracia aka the Pink Dream. She's got potential. Gracia has been popping up on Dark since September. This is her best showing.


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    Kenny made quick work of Joey Janela. I like it. That's how it should be done when the champ is up against a jabroni. Good episode tonight

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    still not into the kenny angle so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    still not into the kenny angle so far
    I can see many people feeling this way. He's kinda awkward when he speaks. Mic skills are meh

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