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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison View Post
    but that mox promo essentially turned it into a months long storyline. and that closing shot of mox sitting an unconscious darby up, arm around him, bleeding on him, as he's talking to him, definitely plants the seeds for it to be continued in the future. this is how good long term storytelling works.
    I get that. But given what I saw over a traditional ppv-like program and a one-week build, I would have rather seen what Mox/Allin could've done with the time that was given to Mox/Cage for this go round.

    It's also primed to be big, if they opt to have MJF actually be the one to dethrone Moxley, for these budding stars to keep getting their moment in the spotlight with big matches only to fall short nine times out of 10. All of that, just to see MJF (of all people) be the one to actually break through the glass ceiling. There's so many ways it could be impactful, especially if he wins through nefarious means, but it's certainly a story that's being told that these guys get these make or break moments and have moments of just being on the cusp but not being able to close it out. To see that actually happen but have a heel do it and it be him (again).
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    Excellent show this week loved it.

    Debate was good, OC to hopefully win the rematch.

    Loving the Sammy/Hardy stuff. Should be a very good feud, they are perfect for each other.

    Big annoyed Ortiz & Santana lost again but understand since then they smashed the car. They need to win the rematch though.

    MJF stuff is good.

    Matt Cardona looked good.

    Moxley/Allin match was very good. Good little build up. Allin & Cage for the FTW next please.

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    Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
    Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
    Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
    Week 04: 963,000 viewers
    Week 05: 759,000 viewers
    Week 06: 822,000 viewers
    Week 07: 957,000 viewers
    Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
    Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 10: 851,000 viewers
    Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
    Week 12: 683,000 viewers
    Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
    Week 14: 947,000 viewers
    Week 15: 940,000 viewers
    Week 16: 871,000 viewers
    Week 17: 828,000 viewers
    Week 18: 928,000 viewers
    Week 19: 817,000 viewers
    Week 20: 893,000 viewers
    Week 21: 865,000 viewers
    Week 22: 906,000 viewers
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    Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuveLeo View Post
    Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.
    I imagine it was the three things heavily promoted: 12-man tag, Jericho/Cassidy with a surprise, and Moxley/Allin in a title match.

    If they were there for Cardona:
    A) I'd be concerned.
    2) They were probably disappointed in a relative sense.
    III) Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I imagine it was the three things heavily promoted: 12-man tag, Jericho/Cassidy with a surprise, and Moxley/Allin in a title match.

    If they were there for Cardona:
    A) I'd be concerned.
    2) They were probably disappointed in a relative sense.
    III) Why?
    Let's be honest. We all know the reason for the bump this week for AEW Nitro.





    It's that simple. I'm not even being funny. We all know the crowd that watches AEW, it's the same crowd that watches every other show out there no matter how hard they pretend they don't. I promise you the idea of "What will Bischoff do on Nitro?" was at the top of everyone's list. The people that love Bischoff, and the people who pretend to hate him, they tuned in and that's why we saw a nice little bump.

    But again, it's a pretty bad number. If the TNA thread was still active we could back 10 years to "OMG TNA got a 1.9 they're fucking dead!" 10 years later....So the upside is that if Nitro still can maintain at least a million viewers, they should be ok. A million on a cable tv in 2020 is like 10 million in 1999.

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    Pretty sure most people watching didn't know Bischoff would even be on the show

    Also, this week's Dynamite apparently beat Raw in the 18-34 demographic. That's pretty big.

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    Jericho should absolutely be the person that comes out first when there’s a full crowd again. He’ll get the best pop and everyone can sing along to his song.

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    Damn awesome episode of Dynamite this week. Opening tag was compelling and felt meaningful while blending a couple different angles together. Even if Sammy has heat for the chair spot, I think the extreme color helped make the feud with Hardy seem more serious, and that has a lot of potential to become a deep blood feud.

    Best Friends/Santana & Ortiz is a solid undercard feud that takes advantage of recent character points, is a good transition for Best Friends out of the #2 spots, and ideally, a place for Santana & Ortiz to build their winning ways back up and climb the ranks.

    The debate was excellent. Jericho being his petulant self, trying to embarrass Cassidy when he's ultimately just embarrassing himself, and Cassidy getting poignant and serious. I think this has been built to the point where Cassidy more than deserves the win, and Jericho can easily rebound off his star power alone, let alone the fact that it can be blamed on underestimating Orange Cassidy.

    Mox/Allin was a great main event, and I felt there was a lot of entrenched story coming out with it. Took a lot of AEW history and the personal journeys of both men and continues to plant seeds for potential future developments. Mox's pre-match promo was gripping, and felt very different from what we normally get. Overall, Moxley came out looking like a champion in a big way on this show. Allin just looked incredible as the scrappy underdog as usual.

    Not everything in-between was groundbreaking, but all the big moments were executed perfectly, and it was an exciting package of wrestling. A lot to look forward to next week, also.

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    so is this arn/tully/ftr build/interaction lead to the new faction of the quad cowboys?

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    I didn't know this was a thing until I saw it pop up today: Jericho apparently had Fozzy concerts this past week. They were either outdoor shows or indoor ones with 35-50% capacity. He said they "hand out masks at the door, do temperature checks, all that sort of stuff." Apparently the shows were in North and South Dakota, and Iowa. This really doesn't seem smart, especially from an optics perspective.

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    Never thought I'd be into AEW but the shows have been consistently solid. Really grateful to not feel like I'm a child when watching this show either.

    NXT'S had some great moments over the the year and in my opinion better matches, but these weekly episodes have been far more refreshing and engaging....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    I didn't know this was a thing until I saw it pop up today: Jericho apparently had Fozzy concerts this past week. They were either outdoor shows or indoor ones with 35-50% capacity. He said they "hand out masks at the door, do temperature checks, all that sort of stuff." Apparently the shows were in North and South Dakota, and Iowa. This really doesn't seem smart, especially from an optics perspective.
    Is Fozzy on tour or were these just random concerts? This seems ill advised to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Is Fozzy on tour or were these just random concerts? This seems ill advised to say the least.
    These are dates that were part of their rescheduled tour, I believe.

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    Well, here's part two. I skipped through the first match. The second one is watchable. It's funny how they said Ivelisse and Diamante have never teamed together, but the matching hats and bandanas they've worn to the ring already made them look like a tag team, lol.

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    It would be amazing if Scorpio Sky won the TNT title, but i can't see that happening for free
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    I've said it multiple times but the point still remains unchanged: Uno and Grayson are a really great team with a weird gimmick.

    I audibly laughed when Khan decided just to look into the camera when Moxley was by their version of gorilla and they just slowly panned away to get him off screen.

    The next shot across the bow of the Wednesday Night Wars came in the form of ... Mike Chioda. Good for him, for real. No real obvious reason why such a tenured guy like him got canned so I'm glad he landed on his feet. I do think they're slowly continuing to plant the seeds for a turn with Cody. That feels like a long play that's going to be impactful. He was noble initially with the open challenges, started getting careless, now adding taunting, monikers, and entourages. Good match between the two of them. Good promo by Lee after the fact. Also, looks like they finally finished the TNT title, and it looks nice.

    Blanchard was great with his promo. It was a nice juxtaposition to everyone marking out for each other prior to that. Good execution of FTR taking out Rock 'n' Roll. They seem to be good for a nostalgic team to take a beating lol.

    Another light night for AEW and the women. Sheesh. You'd think they'd hear criticism about that and do something to correct that. At least they showed stuff about their tournament.

    Jericho/Cassidy? Ooof. That was certainly a sloppy finish and Jericho just didn't look all that great. I'm glad they followed through with an up-and-comer getting a big win but it didn't off all that great.

    Their timing seemed quite a bit off, as a whole.

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    That was one of the more enjoyable weeks from beginning to end.
    the matches were engaging and with a point as opposed to endless Spotfests without reason.
    Loved FTR taking out Ricky Morton. Maybe they can explain why?
    ...or Tully can continue the Shawn Spears angle on Cody?
    these people in their 'creative' (Khan, the 'evp's lol) need to stay on course when introducing incidents and angles and then not following through on them.

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    Seems like I can attribute my last point in my previous point to the fact it was done live. The consensus seems to be they haven't gotten their sea legs under them yet in terms of pacing/timing with live shows.

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    I think every time Rock and Roll Express show up, they get destroyed. That's kind of become their gimmick, lol. I was sure Shawn Spears was going to finally introduce his partner during the tag team brawl, but nada.

    Jericho/Cassidy definitely didn't replicate the magic from their previous match. It looked like Jericho went down too soon when Cassidy was setting up the pin for the finish, but they had to go with it. It's a shame it turned out that way, but still a big win for OC.

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    Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
    Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
    Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
    Week 04: 963,000 viewers
    Week 05: 759,000 viewers
    Week 06: 822,000 viewers
    Week 07: 957,000 viewers
    Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
    Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 10: 851,000 viewers
    Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
    Week 12: 683,000 viewers
    Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
    Week 14: 947,000 viewers
    Week 15: 940,000 viewers
    Week 16: 871,000 viewers
    Week 17: 828,000 viewers
    Week 18: 928,000 viewers
    Week 19: 817,000 viewers
    Week 20: 893,000 viewers
    Week 21: 865,000 viewers
    Week 22: 906,000 viewers
    Week 23: 766,000 viewers
    Week 24: 932,000 viewers
    Week 25: 819,000 viewers
    Week 26: 685,000 viewers
    Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 29: 731,000 viewers
    Week 30: 693,000 viewers
    Week 31: 732,000 viewers
    Week 32: 654,000 viewers
    Week 33: 701,000 viewers
    Week 34: 827,000 viewers
    Week 35: 730,000 viewers
    Week 36: 677,000 viewers
    Week 37: 772,000 viewers
    Week 38: 633,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 39: 748,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 40: 715,000 viewers (NXT higher)
    Week 41: 788,000 viewers
    Week 42: 845,000 viewers
    Week 43: 773,000 viewers
    Week 44: 901,000 viewers
    Week 45: 792,000 viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post

    The next shot across the bow of the Wednesday Night Wars came in the form of ... Mike Chioda. Good for him, for real. No real obvious reason why such a tenured guy like him got canned so I'm glad he landed on his feet. I do think they're slowly continuing to plant the seeds for a turn with Cody. That feels like a long play that's going to be impactful. He was noble initially with the open challenges, started getting careless, now adding taunting, monikers, and entourages. Good match between the two of them. Good promo by Lee after the fact. Also, looks like they finally finished the TNT title, and it looks nice.
    I'm happy Mike Chioda is back on television. It sucked when WWE canned him back in April during those roster cuts.

    Not sure if it's just me, but i'm getting sick of Cody being the champ. I think a heel turn would benefit him seeing as he comes across as a fake good guy... in my eyes anyway.

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    You know I skim all wrestling shows more or less now, I wasn't sure if Cody was meant to be a good guy or a bad guy...? Is it not just me? He come's across like a prick, his wife is incredibly unlikable... I thought maybe that was his gimmick / the point of it.

    As soon as I saw Mike Chioda I thought "Please don't make a big deal of it" .. but they did.. twice..

    Oh well.

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    Cody is a face, But he is on his way to the dark side I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuveLeo View Post
    Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Woo Woo Woo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Cody is a face, But he is on his way to the dark side I think.
    Cody said in an interview recently that the concept of babyfaces and heels is archaic and confining so one must therefore assume he (and all AEW also?) are not using the time honored tradition that pro wrestling is built upon.

    Other than Inner Circle vs The Elite, they haven't done any fueds with multiple matches in them, also a staple in pro wrestling. So they must think they're one the cutting edge of changing the way wrestling is done.

    They certainly have been doing that in other ways too; no need to mention them and get the discussion off track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Cody said in an interview recently that the concept of babyfaces and heels is archaic and confining so one must therefore assume he (and all AEW also?) are not using the time honored tradition that pro wrestling is built upon.

    Other than Inner Circle vs The Elite, they haven't done any fueds with multiple matches in them, also a staple in pro wrestling. So they must think they're one the cutting edge of changing the way wrestling is done.

    They certainly have been doing that in other ways too; no need to mention them and get the discussion off track.
    pac and hangman page had three matches. pac and kenny had three matches. orange cassidy and jericho just had their second match. moxley and darby have had two matches, albeit it's not a traditional rivalry. they're not running a wwe-type format where they ignite a feud and then it lasts over the course of three or four ppv's. this kind of booking isn't cutting edge, and they know it, cause they were all in new japan. it's pretty cutting edge for an american based company with a weekly, nationally televised show, i guess.

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    Decent show this week, not as good as usual. It seemed off for some reason the matches seemed very slow paced at times too.

    No Matt this week? Not even an interview saying why he’s here or about his match last week? Weird.

    Finally FTR turned heels and can properly feud with The Young Bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Decent show this week, not as good as usual. It seemed off for some reason the matches seemed very slow paced at times too.

    No Matt this week? Not even an interview saying why he’s here or about his match last week? Weird.

    Finally FTR turned heels and can properly feud with The Young Bucks
    Matt was on, cut a promo on Sammy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatty View Post
    Matt was on, cut a promo on Sammy.
    He meant the other one. The new one, Cardona.

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    Yeah meant MC. Thought the MH promo was good, I like pissed off Hardy.

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    I read that the Nightmare Sisters are in the final of the tag tournament... what a joke. They're definitely winning the whole thing. Pretty embarrassing, considering they're both horrendous in the ring.

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    Just caught up with Dynamite, agreed on the finish to Jericho/OC. First match was better and the ending was botched and a bit lacking.

    Also cut away too quick at the end cutting into OC’s celebration time. I would’ve had him celebrate and pour orange juice on Jericho again.

    The tag team segment with FTR pulling the swerve was very well done.

    Also why did Sammy not try to help as well?

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    Man lacks a good finisher and superman punch move....ehh no. Tbh not thrilled with Jericho’s current one either. Judas effect’s the worst one he’s had. Weak.

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    I don't mind the Judas Effect because it's been put over as this kill move that almost no one kicks out of(I think Moxley did once?). I'm cool with that being a finish for Orange Cassidy, but it doesn't really work as a feud-ender. I think he could use something with more impact to at least switch it up.

    Great episode this week. The tag matches were all pretty good to great, with some teams getting to show out more than usual, like The Dark Order. FTR's turn was sorely needed, and even though I felt it was telegraphed by them putting together this Tag Team Appreciation Night, it was still handled very well with the bait-and-switch via Tully.

    Unfortunate that the main event was a bit sloppy. I felt both the finish and the last dragon screw were fucked up. But I felt that it was mostly still enjoyable, with some strong moments before. I liked everything from Cassidy faking being worn out to the dirty finish tease a lot. Orange getting the win was the right move here. I'd be good with a rubber match, but would like to see them go separate ways and maybe save their next encounter for when there's a crowd.

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    This MJF promo is amazing. He went to Jericho's school of promos for sure. "Papa. Papa."

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    Thunder Rosa coming to AEW is huge. So proud of her... AND she's bringing the NWA belt w/ her. So fucking awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    You her dad?
    he does this for anybody who happened to exist in the same space as him while he recorded/photographed indie shows.

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    Mr. Brodie FUCKING Lee.

    I just hope they still have Dark Order skits on BTE.

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    Ricky Starks has really been impressing me. Dude has phenomenal promo skills, plays the heel role great and has solid ring skill. Nice to see him get a push with him feuding v Darby.

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    I can't believe they pulled the trigger on Lee!

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    I'm surprised Lee won on TV instead of a PPV. But what's even more shocking is that it was basically a squash match. I definitely didn't think it'd pan out like that.

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    I just saw Lee demolish Cody. Dam, that was some good TV. Good for Brodie. A meaningful spot should have happened years ago for him.
    Last edited by Jarrod1983; August 23rd, 2020 at 1:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod1983 View Post
    I just saw Lee demolish Cody. Dam, that was some good TV. Good for Brodie. A meaningful spot should have happened years ago for him.
    He has a meaningful bald spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuveLeo View Post
    Ricky Starks has really been impressing me. Dude has phenomenal promo skills, plays the heel role great and has solid ring skill. Nice to see him get a push with him feuding v Darby.
    Finally watched AEW last night, another good show. I was thinking during the first hour we better see Cage and Starks. Status has been great, very good stuff again from him. Can’t wait for his match with Darby.

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    Cody winning ever week on tv gets shit on, then he puts over Lee big time gets shit on. He can’t win can he? I was surprised it was a squash and on tv but oh well it’s done now. Interesting to see where Cody knows now with his character.

    Lance Archer just do something with him please. No Matt Cardona again? No sure if he was on Dark.

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    That's a good number for airing on a different day and getting preempted for 30 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Cody winning ever week on tv gets shit on, then he puts over Lee big time gets shit on. He can’t win can he? I was surprised it was a squash and on tv but oh well it’s done now. Interesting to see where Cody knows now with his character.

    Lance Archer just do something with him please. No Matt Cardona again? No sure if he was on Dark.
    Have people been shitting on Cody for putting over Lee the way he did? Because I thought it was brilliant, personally.

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    The Dark Order celebrated Brodie's TNT title win in style.....with Chili's, lol. They're pretty entertaining in a more relaxed setting backstage.



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    Last edited by Sasori; August 25th, 2020 at 6:35 PM.

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    Passing thoughts:

    - Did they explain why Tully joined FTR? Seems like a notable transaction of sorts to have go down without an explanation.

    - Moxley has hit his groove with promos. I felt like several months ago they weren't giving him enough time or opportunities to rock on the mic. Glad they're letting him go now. MJF continues to deliver with his promos, as well.

    - Jericho has more than earned the benefit of the doubt but the idea of more Jericho/Cassidy and this stipulation seem meh.

    - The Elite/Dark Order probably would have been the match I started Dynamite with, in light of the circumstances. You've got a chance to capture uniques who got stuck on TNT after the game was over so I'd put The Elite on TV right away to try to keep them on board.

    - They've got to be creative when holding The Young Bucks and FTR apart from each other in the gauntlet match. That's a money match and you don't want it wasted in a casual, not direct setting like the gauntlet match.

    - Time and attention has paid off for Dark Order. Remember the last segment on Dynamite in 2019? Remember how it was a disaster? It was essentially the same type of setup for this angle and it worked much, much better.

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    Alvarez also brought up the point that Tully became FTR's manager without addressing the situation with Arn. Maybe they were saving it until after Cody lost the TNT title and will bring it up tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Alvarez also brought up the point that Tully became FTR's manager without addressing the situation with Arn. Maybe they were saving it until after Cody lost the TNT title and will bring it up THURSDAY.
    Fixed it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    The Dark Order celebrated Brodie's TNT title win in style.....with Chili's, lol. They're pretty entertaining in a more relaxed setting backstage.



    Evil Uno: "I bought a life size cut out of Mr. Brodie Lee. He watches me sleep, man!"
    :lol I love these segments they do.

    What happened to Colt by the way? Have I missed something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Have people been shitting on Cody for putting over Lee the way he did? Because I thought it was brilliant, personally.
    Basically the fans on Twitter and Facebook forums really, the usual warriors.

    Like you mentioned it was brilliantly done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    :lol I love these segments they do.

    What happened to Colt by the way? Have I missed something?
    The Best Friends attempted to kill Brandon Cutler by covering his face in hot gold. In failing horribly, they covered Colt's face in hot gold and gave him a handjob.

    Murder's hard.

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    I read the spoiler about Brodie Lee before I saw the show, but was amazed at the nature of it.

    Bloody brilliant.

    And they played up the fact that Cody was on every week, was beat up etc. With the post-match stuff, I'm assuming there will be a rematch at All Out.

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    With Cody defending the title every week, they can argue that he was emotionally and physically spent. He's been trying way too hard to keep the belt so he had nothing left for Lee. It's good logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I read the spoiler about Brodie Lee before I saw the show, but was amazed at the nature of it.

    Bloody brilliant.

    And they played up the fact that Cody was on every week, was beat up etc. With the post-match stuff, I'm assuming there will be a rematch at All Out.
    I read Cody will be off TV for while. I suppose to show the beating he took from Brodie was severe.

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    Pretty darn good show. The shocking actions of Page, Lee suspending the TNT open challenges, and a nice brawl between Cassidy and Jericho to end the show. And that cut on Sammy's head looked nasty I especially loved how Cassidy tore ass across the stage as soon as the main event was over to go after Jericho. Really hammers home how heated this feud has become.

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    Dam was a pretty good show. I know Cassidy’s down his part but Jericho in any feud is just great.

    Also I don’t know why but Archer vs Cage got me going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
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    Maybe because they own the building?

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    There felt like there was a lot of talking on this episode, more than usual. Maybe a 15-minute talking segment will do that. At least it mainly served a purpose and wasn't meandering more than not (MJF was guilty of dragging things but it had its entertaining moments). The contract signing was cliche but at least the two guys in it were on top of their game with the gabbing.

    I'm not really sure what to make of the stuff with Hangman and The Bucks. If I'm looking at the situation, they're playing into the Hangman from BTE who was just was an alcoholic that was trying to cope with his emotions. The Dynamite Hangman felt like a guy who could be an alcoholic that just likes to come in, drink, be a difference maker, and leave. That's what attracted people to him but this could be a zag where it's not leaning into that. If it's a long play to circle back to the Hangman people love, they're playing with fire a bit because this story has dragged for an incredibly long time. I'm just glad that the story might finally be advancing.

    The Dark Order segment went through a lot of stuff in their segment. It was kind of silly at first but it got good when Lee talked. Cardona being the lead guy while Cody is out in this angle seems a bit rich.

    The handicap match was elementary in a lot of ways. Not very good. Why did Penelope, the one is allegedly a wrestler, need to be the one pinned?

    I did like that the tables match stipulation was altered where the finish came where the accidental going through a table didn't signal the finish of the match. Good change.

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    They definitely showed emotional drunk Hangman on Dynamite early on. They just leaned harder into the drunk badass. I think this whole angle is just meant to keep people guessing and make you wonder if Hangman is going to help screw Kenny over to give FTR the titles. But what will actually happen is Hangman will trust FTR more than he should, and they will specifically screw him over in some way to sort of kick him back to his senses and kick-off the path to payoff for what this whole angle has been.

    Either that or a swerve where Kenny screws Hangman and goes full heel, because I'm gonna be shocked if Kenny's recent character arc doesn't end with him turning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    They definitely showed emotional drunk Hangman on Dynamite early on. They just leaned harder into the drunk badass. I think this whole angle is just meant to keep people guessing and make you wonder if Hangman is going to help screw Kenny over to give FTR the titles. But what will actually happen is Hangman will trust FTR more than he should, and they will specifically screw him over in some way to sort of kick him back to his senses and kick-off the path to payoff for what this whole angle has been.

    Either that or a swerve where Kenny screws Hangman and goes full heel, because I'm gonna be shocked if Kenny's recent character arc doesn't end with him turning.
    They'll have to be very effective with whatever they plan to work with because something they really haven't implemented yet as a storyline development are turns.

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    I was glad to see Cowboy Adam Page finally do sumtin besides take another sip on that iced tea of his.
    although I think I could do without the black make-up around his eyes to make him look more forlorn (I guess)

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    Just remember AEW die hards, the next time you try to talk shit about anything the WWE is putting out there or any other promotion, look at the garbage on the upcoming ppv lol. 2 good matches on paper, the World title match and the tag-team title match. And I'm being nice about the World title match because while I am a fan of MJF, he belongs in the World title mix as much as Double J in 1995 did. But then again, it is AEW, they're talent pool isn't as big as NJPW or WWE so they have to work with what they've got.

    WHAT THE FUCK is Jericho v. Orange Cassidy? Probably the dumbest fucking gimmick match I've heard of in the 21st century and I've heard and seen some pretty pathetic gimmick matches. Loser gets dumped in a tub of Sex and the City drinks? The Demo God looking for that female 38-68 demo?

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    Is the only thing you find garbage that match? Because I think the card look perfectly fine. Maybe not a huge wow factor, but it's a solid group of matches. And honestly, I think MJF is main event ready enough to pull the trigger if that's what they're thinking here. I agree the Mimosa Mayhem gimmick is kind of silly for a feud-ender, but I'm down for one more Y2JOC match since the last two have been solid. And if Jericho gets dumped, you know he's going to sell the fuck out of that.

    Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.

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    Is this only available on PPV, or is the an OTT service this streams on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.
    They had to get the ten man tag in there somehow, they love those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Just remember AEW die hards, the next time you try to talk shit about anything the WWE is putting out there or any other promotion, look at the garbage on the upcoming ppv lol. 2 good matches on paper, the World title match and the tag-team title match. And I'm being nice about the World title match because while I am a fan of MJF, he belongs in the World title mix as much as Double J in 1995 did. But then again, it is AEW, they're talent pool isn't as big as NJPW or WWE so they have to work with what they've got.

    WHAT THE FUCK is Jericho v. Orange Cassidy? Probably the dumbest fucking gimmick match I've heard of in the 21st century and I've heard and seen some pretty pathetic gimmick matches. Loser gets dumped in a tub of Sex and the City drinks? The Demo God looking for that female 38-68 demo?
    Calm down, it’s a good card. Good build up for the main matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Is the only thing you find garbage that match? Because I think the card look perfectly fine. Maybe not a huge wow factor, but it's a solid group of matches. And honestly, I think MJF is main event ready enough to pull the trigger if that's what they're thinking here. I agree the Mimosa Mayhem gimmick is kind of silly for a feud-ender, but I'm down for one more Y2JOC match since the last two have been solid. And if Jericho gets dumped, you know he's going to sell the fuck out of that.

    Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.
    Like I said, 2 matches on paper look good and 1 of those 2 matches I'm being generous because I fucking love Moxley and I think MJF is a dope midcard villain.

    The rest of the show looks mediocre, the OC v. Jericho gimmick is fucking stupid. I like both wrestlers, I liked their matches, I can't get into this bullshit but hey, it's wrestling in 2020. There used to be a time where this level of cornball was mainly for Divas like Torrie Wilson and some stupid shit in PWG or CHIKARA.

    The women's match is going to live up to all the other women's title matches and suck. They haven't given me a single women's match in general that didn't completely fucking suck. Not a fan of the cluster fuck battle royal or the 8-man jobber tag-team match.

    So again, on paper, this card looks fucking whack. I'm quite possibly a borderline AEW diehard, the only difference is I don't pretend like AEW doesn't do the same if not worse dumbass shit than the WWE and other promotions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Calm down, it’s a good card. Good build up for the main matches.
    Fuck your calm lol.

    Decent build for the main matches. Especially the tag-team title match. Everything else. Meh.

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    Cassidy v Jericho only really got going when OC dumped all that OJ on the Inner Circle. The Mimosa Mayhem match is the natural conclusion to this feud. Haters gonna hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Cassidy v Jericho only really got going when OC dumped all that OJ on the Inner Circle. The Mimosa Mayhem match is the natural conclusion to this feud. Haters gonna hate.
    LOL. Haters gonna hate. I guess if being a grown ass adult finding a 50+ year old and Fire Ant wrestling for the hopes of throwing the other in some chick drink from 1998 makes me a "hater".....Sure.

    Again, this kind of buffoonery isn't just for the WWE. Even they wouldn't do something this fucking stupid with one of their top guys. I'd almost rather have Jericho attempt to fuck OC's dead gf on live tv than even hear about a gimmick match like this. What the fuck....natural conclusion.......Cue the AEW apologists pretending people like Jericho and Brodie Lee and the rest are somehow treated so much better creatively.

    I don't remember Jericho in his prime in the main event wrestling Austin or Triple H in a "Throw me in your grandma's favorite drink" match lol.

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    I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Like I said, 2 matches on paper look good and 1 of those 2 matches I'm being generous because I fucking love Moxley and I think MJF is a dope midcard villain.

    The rest of the show looks mediocre, the OC v. Jericho gimmick is fucking stupid. I like both wrestlers, I liked their matches, I can't get into this bullshit but hey, it's wrestling in 2020. There used to be a time where this level of cornball was mainly for Divas like Torrie Wilson and some stupid shit in PWG or CHIKARA.

    The women's match is going to live up to all the other women's title matches and suck. They haven't given me a single women's match in general that didn't completely fucking suck. Not a fan of the cluster fuck battle royal or the 8-man jobber tag-team match.

    So again, on paper, this card looks fucking whack. I'm quite possibly a borderline AEW diehard, the only difference is I don't pretend like AEW doesn't do the same if not worse dumbass shit than the WWE and other promotions.




    Fuck your calm lol.

    Decent build for the main matches. Especially the tag-team title match. Everything else. Meh.
    I personally like Shida and am intrigued to see how Thunder Rosa does. I think the only thing about Y2J and OC that's been cornball in a negative way is the match gimmick itself, but as Sasori said, it's a fairly logical conclusion. Not my favorite, but I'll wait to see it before I dog it.

    I don't think you have to be a non-AEW diehard to see the faults, nor do you have to be one to just enjoy the card on its own merits. I call out the things I don't like about AEW all the time, but it's still the product that excites me the most right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.
    lol. Oh wow. Remind me again why that matters? He probably squashed Cody in less than 3 minutes as Luke Harper. Even in AEW, despite his self-serving booking, is nothing more than a midcarder with the IC title. And I dare anyone to argue that Dashing Cody with the IC strap is somehow less than the Cody Hearst Helmsley.

    At this point, I'll take Stardust. At least that dude was feuding with Green Arrow and not a bunch of lames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    I personally like Shida and am intrigued to see how Thunder Rosa does. I think the only thing about Y2J and OC that's been cornball in a negative way is the match gimmick itself, but as Sasori said, it's a fairly logical conclusion. Not my favorite, but I'll wait to see it before I dog it.

    I don't think you have to be a non-AEW diehard to see the faults, nor do you have to be one to just enjoy the card on its own merits. I call out the things I don't like about AEW all the time, but it's still the product that excites me the most right now.
    I like Shida, but her opponent is not good. That's been AEW's biggest negative other than Brandi Rhodes....The women's division fucking sucks. It has 1 good wrestler, Shida. She's actually very good. Problem is, the rest of the roster is jank. It's so bad Britt Baker is considered a top tier player.

    But this is the current wrestling landscape. The promoters have dumbed down pro wrestling so much you're either like us where we just take what we're given and make the best of it, or you're fucking naive and don't know any better so you think barely getting a million viewers=the fucking shit! That isn't just AEW exclusive. I barely shit on them, I barely speak on them, but I'm coming from a place today where one of my absolute best friends tried to tell me that Roman winning the title last night was the most absurd booking ever and then championed the upcoming AEW show.

    Once I pointed out the Jericho match, dude shut the fuck up lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    lol. Oh wow. Remind me again why that matters? He probably squashed Cody in less than 3 minutes as Luke Harper. Even in AEW, despite his self-serving booking, is nothing more than a midcarder with the IC title. And I dare anyone to argue that Dashing Cody with the IC strap is somehow less than the Cody Hearst Helmsley.

    At this point, I'll take Stardust. At least that dude was feuding with Green Arrow and not a bunch of lames.
    Luke Harper never did shit. That's my whole point. It matters because it's made him and his stable huge names instantly after Cody's had so many 15 minute matches with people who could never get it done.

    Cody doesn't come across as a midcarder at all, he was in the AEW title picture last year. Do you even watch the show or are you AEW Defrost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Luke Harper never did shit. That's my whole point. It matters because it's made him and his stable huge names instantly after Cody's had so many 15 minute matches with people who could never get it done.

    Cody doesn't come across as a midcarder at all, he was in the AEW title picture last year. Do you even watch the show or are you AEW Defrost?
    Don't gloss over my posts and you'll see the praise I constantly give AEW. Even in this discussion.

    Did you ever once watch Luke Harper in WWE or are you just being a mark? Multi-time IC champion. Multi-time tag-team champion. If the motherfucker didn't get injured every 2 months he might've had a bigger push, a better run. But if you're doing nothing but getting injured and then bitching online and in interviews about how you're not getting this or that.....Kind of hard for a company the size of WWE to really invest.

    All Luke Harper is now is a wannabe Bray Wyatt. Nothing original about this dude. He wasn't even the guy they wrote the role for.

    Oh wow, Cody was in the title picture last year. Sweet! He booked himself to challenge Jericho and then booked himself to win a fucking title tournament so that way at least half of the wrestlers who are "executives" have gold. I mean, why else would they have 10 awesome tag-teams and put the gold on the waist of 2 top singles guys for the last 10 months? Self-serving.

    I'm sure you're the same person who pops off about the Klik having all the gold in 1995 lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Don't gloss over my posts and you'll see the praise I constantly give AEW. Even in this discussion.

    Did you ever once watch Luke Harper in WWE or are you just being a mark? Multi-time IC champion. Multi-time tag-team champion. If the motherfucker didn't get injured every 2 months he might've had a bigger push, a better run. But if you're doing nothing but getting injured and then bitching online and in interviews about how you're not getting this or that.....Kind of hard for a company the size of WWE to really invest.

    All Luke Harper is now is a wannabe Bray Wyatt. Nothing original about this dude. He wasn't even the guy they wrote the role for.

    Oh wow, Cody was in the title picture last year. Sweet! He booked himself to challenge Jericho and then booked himself to win a fucking title tournament so that way at least half of the wrestlers who are "executives" have gold. I mean, why else would they have 10 awesome tag-teams and put the gold on the waist of 2 top singles guys for the last 10 months? Self-serving.

    I'm sure you're the same person who pops off about the Klik having all the gold in 1995 lol.
    Vince is on record hating him for not being able to do a southern accent. I never heard him bitch about anything until after he was released. He "booked himself" but Tony Kahn has the final say on everything. The bucks talked about how they wanted to lose matches and Tony told them no. In addition to being executives they're also the biggest stars in the company so they can't really win (in the sense of making people happy). If they were jobbing or midcarders everyone would say why are you booking yourselves that way. The tag division is long term booking it will mean even more when FTR wins the belts now.

    I was 5 in 95.

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    Man, your posts are exhausting Nash.

    You don't really come across like a "borderline diehard" fan, but hopefully there's some stuff on the PPV that ends up entertaining you if you end up watching it.

    I think for me the only match I have my doubts around is Mox/MJF, but that's more because I haven't really enjoyed MJF's matches as much as I have others on this brand. It's interesting that Moxley has faced some real giants as of late like Brian Cage and Brodie Lee and fended them all off... but this instead appears to be his biggest threat. I've felt that they were more credible and had more of a main event feel to them.

    But this company constantly does things that don't initially make sense to me and I end up loving most of it anyway.

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    The one thing I feel like AEW really needs to work on is making it super obvious when a spot is coming up. Don't show the people on the ground obviously waiting to catch someone. It was super noticable when they had the 8 man tag a few weeks back. Even JRs rambling couldn't distract me from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.
    Some people will argue anything no matter how absurd. Look at the USA right now for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Man, your posts are exhausting Nash.

    You don't really come across like a "borderline diehard" fan, but hopefully there's some stuff on the PPV that ends up entertaining you if you end up watching it.

    I think for me the only match I have my doubts around is Mox/MJF, but that's more because I haven't really enjoyed MJF's matches as much as I have others on this brand. It's interesting that Moxley has faced some real giants as of late like Brian Cage and Brodie Lee and fended them all off... but this instead appears to be his biggest threat. I've felt that they were more credible and had more of a main event feel to them.

    But this company constantly does things that don't initially make sense to me and I end up loving most of it anyway.
    Then don't read/respond to them Big Kev lol.

    See, I think the MJF/Moxley match is one of the few matches to look forward to. Like I've said a few times, ON PAPER, the show doesn't look that good. But I've seen enough wrestling in the last 35 years of being a fan to know that what's on paper and what's on tv, can be totally different.

    Quote Originally Posted by NWo4LifeOr2Years View Post
    Some people will argue anything no matter how absurd. Look at the USA right now for example.
    Coming from you this is rich, Jeff Bezos rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Vince is on record hating him for not being able to do a southern accent. I never heard him bitch about anything until after he was released. He "booked himself" but Tony Kahn has the final say on everything. The bucks talked about how they wanted to lose matches and Tony told them no. In addition to being executives they're also the biggest stars in the company so they can't really win (in the sense of making people happy). If they were jobbing or midcarders everyone would say why are you booking yourselves that way. The tag division is long term booking it will mean even more when FTR wins the belts now.

    I was 5 in 95.
    No, LUKE HARPER is on record saying Vince had issue with him not doing a southern accent. I'm sorry if the only interviews you ever listened/read by him were post-WWE but I've been a fan of this man for over 10 years when I heard him do an interview pre-WWE about being a Washington Redskins fan. He's done many interviews, mostly were him bitching about something. Maybe that's just his personality.

    You were 5 in 1995 which explains more than I need to know.

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    I don't feel like you're last sentence makes sense, consistent with most of your posts though.

    Anyway, big show tonight. I'm excited and rumors are Excalibur will be back so I hope that's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I don't feel like you're last sentence makes sense, consistent with most of your posts though.

    Anyway, big show tonight. I'm excited and rumors are Excalibur will be back so I hope that's true.
    Yeah I bet a supporter of racism would hope for Excalibur to return.

    The last sentence means you're part of a generation that I'm glad I missed yet sadly I have siblings that are your age that sound just as idiotic. Let's shun allegations of trying to get a dick pic from a 17 year old but hope a dumbass racist comes back on commentary.

    All anyone has to do is see your weird defense of the Kenosha shooting to see why this isn't a shocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah I bet a supporter of racism would hope for Excalibur to return.

    The last sentence means you're part of a generation that I'm glad I missed yet sadly I have siblings that are your age that sound just as idiotic. Let's shun allegations of trying to get a dick pic from a 17 year old but hope a dumbass racist comes back on commentary.

    All anyone has to do is see your weird defense of the Kenosha shooting to see why this isn't a shocker.
    Typical false equivalence from a moron.

    Human Tornado told Excalibur to call him a racial slur. He's admitted it. It was over 10 years ago. It's in no way comparable to child grooming multiple young boys. If it was Jungle Boy for some reason I'd say the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Typical false equivalence from a moron.

    Human Tornado told Excalibur to call him a racial slur. He's admitted it. It was over 10 years ago. It's in no way comparable to child grooming multiple young boys. If it was Jungle Boy for some reason I'd say the same thing.
    As a half black man I take exception to people making excuses. I don't give a fuck who told him to call him a racial slur or how long ago it was. There's no statute of limitations on being a dumb fuck as you're proving here.

    The big difference is one has been proven to have happened and the other hasn't so....Trust me, we all know why you are taking issue with Dream and why you don't care about what Excalibur said 5-10 years ago.

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