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    Athlete Mt. Rushmore

    Greatest athletes to ever compete and succeed in sport across the globe in history..

    Jim Thorpe
    Carl Lewis
    Bo Jackson
    Deion Sanders

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    Jordan, Bo Jackson, GOLDBERG, Carl Lewis

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    All Asshole Mt.Rushmore

    - Ty Cobb
    - Pete Rose
    - Allen Iverson
    - OJ Simpson


    Boring Mt. Rushmore

    - Ted Williams
    - Larry Bird
    - Jack Nicklaus
    - Wayne Gretzky


    Personal Mt. Rushmore

    - Peyton Manning
    - Steve McNair
    - Chipper Jones
    - Bobby Cox

    Legit Mt. Rushmore

    - Willie Mays
    - Vince Lombardi
    - Michael Jordan
    - Babe Ruth

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    Any mountain Rushmore without goldberg is fucking stupid and not accurate. Seriously fuck off

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    Yeah North America is absolutely the hub of all sporting history. Oh no hang on, sport happens elsewhere as well.
    Michael Jordan and Mohamed Ali, they do belong.
    Internationally though:
    Pele
    Michael Schumacher
    Usain Bolt
    Jonah Lomu
    Are some of the names that spring to mind.

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    Also if we include someone like Michael Schumacher then I would nominate John Glenn. I know one operates machinery competitively and the other in a non competitive way, but it's hard to pick the guy who drive a car around a circle over the guy who drives a spaceship around the planet. You could say Glenn was competing with death and finished his career undefeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Who is Jonah Lomu
    The greatest Rugby Union player in history, destroyer of puny little normal sized rugby players, he was 120kg, nearly 2 meters tall and ran the 100m in 10 seconds. The Underwood brothers still have nightmares about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Also if we include someone like Michael Schumacher then I would nominate John Glenn. I know one operates machinery competitively and the other in a non competitive way, but it's hard to pick the guy who drive a car around a circle over the guy who drives a spaceship around the planet. You could say Glenn was competing with death and finished his career undefeated.
    Motor Sport is a sport though. There's like championships and everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beer Monster View Post
    Motor Sport is a sport though. There's like championships and everything.
    There's championships in e-sports, chess, robot combat, etc, but I'm not putting Ninja on my list either.

    Which is not to say Motor Sport is the same as e-sports, but to me Motor Sport doesn't have enough athletic activity involved for me to consider one of its drivers a GOAT athlete.

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    There are so many great athletes, and as long as we're being subjective, I'd throw out for consideration

    Jackie Robinson
    Major Taylor
    Mohammed Ali
    Edwin Moses

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    Unless the goal of an amazing athlete is to rarely score, I am not sure how any soccer players could possibly make the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    There's championships in e-sports, chess, robot combat, etc, but I'm not putting Ninja on my list either.

    Which is not to say Motor Sport is the same as e-sports, but to me Motor Sport doesn't have enough athletic activity involved for me to consider one of its drivers a GOAT athlete.
    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...ing-to-bulk-up

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...oyy2uKKOi.html

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    I didn't realize that British people watched motorsports. It actually makes perfect sense because driving around in circles doing nothing is very similar to the game of soccer.

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    Was really thinking this not so much the best sportsman as much the best athletes of all time.

    Which is interestingly enough why it has the title it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    Unless the goal of an amazing athlete is to rarely score, I am not sure how any soccer players could possibly make the list.
    Pele scored over a 1000 goals and is considered the best player ever for the most popular sport on the planet, so yeah he should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    I didn't realize that British people watched motorsports. It actually makes perfect sense because driving around in circles doing nothing is very similar to the game of soccer.
    Think you mean the Indy 500 there.

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    Jesse Owens is a great shout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Was really thinking this not so much the best sportsman as much the best athletes of all time.

    Which is interestingly enough why it has the title it does.
    I feel you, but...

    sports are so much more fun than athletics IMO. I'm not watching track and field pretty much ever, even when the olympics are going.

    pure athletics, I dont really have any knowledge about. michael phelps should probably be on the list though. isn't he the best swimmer OAT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I feel you, but...

    sports are so much more fun than athletics IMO. I'm not watching track and field pretty much ever, even when the olympics are going.

    pure athletics, I dont really have any knowledge about. michael phelps should probably be on the list though. isn't he the best swimmer OAT?
    You can judge pure athleticism of successful sportsmen, no?

    For instance it's rather easy to see that Lamar Jackson is a better athlete than Tom Brady.

    And the same can be said for track athletes ... who are the most successful spanning multiple events?

    Jesse Owens, Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, etc.

    The most athletic of the most successful sportsmen.

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    Based on that definition, I think LeBron should be on the list. Athletically, he is probably the best to ever compete in American professional team sports. He's a better athlete than Bo Jackson or Deion IMO. He might be my #1 OAT.

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    I definitely considered LeBron.

    But I don't think he's necessarily a better athlete than Bo or Prime.

    They each did the two sport thing at the highest of levels with crazy athleticism while we only speculated it with LeBron.

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    Are there any Euro equivalents? Guys who maybe excelled in track/cricket/rugby/soccer/quidditch, etc..?

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    The way I came up with my 4 was a mixture of athleticism and influence. Is Mike Tyson the greatest boxer of all time or the most athletic? No, but he was one of the best, he was one of the most athletic, but his influence runs deep even in 2019. Many many boxers, even ones that weren't alive when he was in his prime, sight Tyson as their biggest influence.

    Jackie Robinson almost made my 4 instead of Tyson again based on not just athletic ability especially back then but for the influence he had. Without that man who knows what baseball would look like today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    I definitely considered LeBron.

    But I don't think he's necessarily a better athlete than Bo or Prime.

    They each did the two sport thing at the highest of levels with crazy athleticism while we only speculated it with LeBron.
    I think the two sport thing is overrated especially in the case of Bo Jackson. He made one pro bowl and one MLB all star game yea? How can you compare that to Lebron.

    And then on the other hand, you've got Carl Lewis on your mount rushmore but what did he ever do that was versatile? Run and jump? What Lebron does requires so many more facets of athleticism and coordination than running fast and jumping a distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I think the two sport thing is overrated especially in the case of Bo Jackson. He made one pro bowl and one MLB all star game yea? How can you compare that to Lebron.

    And then on the other hand, you've got Carl Lewis on your mount rushmore but what did he ever do that was versatile? Run and jump? What Lebron does requires so many more facets of athleticism and coordination than running fast and jumping a distance.
    If Bo doesn't have his hip ripped ripped off his leg 4 years into his career his accumulation of achievements would be higher certainly. I'm not arguing for longevity.

    Carl was merely running and jumping with the global cream of the crop of runners and jumpers. Really odd to downplay winning 9 Olympic gold medals in multiple worldwide events like its such a meh thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Allen Iverson
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    Willie Gault
    Odell Beckham
    Jalen Ramsey
    Not heard of any of em. All about global sports fella

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    It's not necessarily though really bloke.

    It's about athleticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    If Bo doesn't have his hip ripped ripped off his leg 4 years into his career his accumulation of achievements would be higher certainly. I'm not arguing for longevity.

    Carl was merely running and jumping with the global cream of the crop of runners and jumpers. Really odd to downplay winning 9 Olympic gold medals in multiple worldwide events like its such a meh thing to do.
    It's not meh but it's like saying John Ross is the best athlete in the NFL because he's the fastest. Competing in a sport like basketball takes so many different athletic talents, a mixture of speed, strength, jumping, coordination, quickness, vision, hands, etc. Running a race takes a singular athletic talent.

    To me, what Lebron does is so much more athletically impressive than what a sprinter does, no matter how many medals they win in a variety of different events that are mostly different lengths of running.

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    If you cant lift a 7 foot tall, 580 pound Giant into a jackhammer position and then hold him up for a very long time before executing the full maneuver, then how the fuck can you call yourself the best athelete?

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    Lebron is a great athlete, so is Carl Lewis. Pretty much everything you said other than I guess "hands" fits with Carl Lewis. It's not just running. Just like with Michael Phelps, it's not just swimming. They're all great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    It's not meh but it's like saying John Ross is the best athlete in the NFL because he's the fastest. Competing in a sport like basketball takes so many different athletic talents, a mixture of speed, strength, jumping, coordination, quickness, vision, hands, etc. Running a race takes a singular athletic talent.

    To me, what Lebron does is so much more athletically impressive than what a sprinter does, no matter how many medals they win in a variety of different events that are mostly different lengths of running.
    Dude, no one is disparaging LeBron as an athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beer Monster View Post
    Yeah North America is absolutely the hub of all sporting history. Oh no hang on, sport happens elsewhere as well.
    Michael Jordan and Mohamed Ali, they do belong.
    Internationally though:
    Pele
    Michael Schumacher
    Usain Bolt
    Jonah Lomu
    Are some of the names that spring to mind.
    Just did some looking into this Jonah Lomu guy anndd wow, he's fantastic. Would have made a terrific tight end in our football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beer Monster View Post
    Yeah North America is absolutely the hub of all sporting history. Oh no hang on, sport happens elsewhere as well.
    Michael Jordan and Mohamed Ali, they do belong.
    Internationally though:
    Pele
    Michael Schumacher
    Usain Bolt
    Jonah Lomu
    Are some of the names that spring to mind.

    Not a single person said this lol.

    And why you've felt the need to say this in both threads about a "Mt Rushmore" for entertainment is weird.

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    The thought behind my list -

    The legendary Howard Cosell called Jackie Robinson the best pure athlete to ever walk this planet, and he'd add that few human beings have ever come close to his ability and grace.

    Moses completely dominated his sport like nobody ever before nor since in any sport - from '77 to '87 he was UNDEFEATED, setting the world record 4 times.

    And Moses himself called Major Taylor, the world's fastest human, the best athlete ever.

    Mohammed Ali was the most famous athlete, and most recognized person on the planet - known to more people than anyone else - especially when we consider world population. Of course, that Jesus guy is still talked about a couple thousand years later, but some say he's not an athlete. Then again, that dude could walk on water.


    Mary Lou Retton deserves a shout out, for being the first female on the front of a Wheaties box (unless you count Caitlyn Jenner). But if we go by Wheaties appearances, her three falls a long way behind Jordon's 18 and Tiger's 14.


    More recently, Ashton Eaton might be the best overall athlete ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Pele scored over a 1000 goals and is considered the best player ever for the most popular sport on the planet, so yeah he should be.
    When I was in middle school I scored 7 goals once in a gym class that was 30 min long. 1000 goals is like 150 gym classes for me. Not impressed.

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    Yup definitely comparable.

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    did Pele ever play a second sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    There's championships in e-sports, chess, robot combat, etc, but I'm not putting Ninja on my list either.

    Which is not to say Motor Sport is the same as e-sports, but to me Motor Sport doesn't have enough athletic activity involved for me to consider one of its drivers a GOAT athlete.
    How many fat guys have won the Formula 1 championship?

    You sweat loads driving an F1 car and have to be 100% focused for hours on end. Not having it down as a top end sport is fine but they are certainly athletes.

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    Race car drivers are absolutely athletes.

    Never understood the "sport" at all though. I dont get why people would be entertained by watching guys drive in circles. The profile of the typical NASCAR fan is so far from my personal profile that the very thought of watching it is off putting.

    It feels like a sport for children and ultra low IQ adults.

    It also feels very unsurprising when the guys crash and die. Not sure why it's even allowed to be honest. It is literally a death trap. The ultimate example of stupid games = stupid prizes.

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    I also find the tour de france to be completely pointless and stupid but at least they dont die when they crash into each other like dickheads. Actually tour de france crashes are honestly the main reason to watch people riding their bicycles around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    How many fat guys have won the Formula 1 championship?

    You sweat loads driving an F1 car and have to be 100% focused for hours on end. Not having it down as a top end sport is fine but they are certainly athletes.
    Skinny=athletic?

    Keep in mind, he didn't say they were not athletic at all. He said that there's not ENOUGH athletic activity to deem someone who drives in a circle=GOAT athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    Race car drivers are absolutely athletes.

    Never understood the "sport" at all though. I dont get why people would be entertained by watching guys drive in circles. The profile of the typical NASCAR fan is so far from my personal profile that the very thought of watching it is off putting.

    It feels like a sport for children and ultra low IQ adults.

    It also feels very unsurprising when the guys crash and die. Not sure why it's even allowed to be honest. It is literally a death trap. The ultimate example of stupid games = stupid prizes.
    There's not enough money to pay me watch a nascar race. But, the engineering that goes into the cars themselves is actually pretty incredible to see and read about.

    It's like Hillbilly Tony Stark.

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    The best pure athletes of all time would all be NBA players or NFL linebackers/d-linemen

    a 250 pound man running a 4.4 or a someone who is 6’9 but moves like someone half his size but can leap 3 feet in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOCONUT View Post
    Race car drivers are absolutely athletes.

    Never understood the "sport" at all though. I dont get why people would be entertained by watching guys drive in circles. The profile of the typical NASCAR fan is so far from my personal profile that the very thought of watching it is off putting.

    It feels like a sport for children and ultra low IQ adults.

    It also feels very unsurprising when the guys crash and die. Not sure why it's even allowed to be honest. It is literally a death trap. The ultimate example of stupid games = stupid prizes.
    Race car drivers are not an athlete. They have a skill set but that does not make you an athlete. There is zero athletic skill required to race a car. That is why people still do it into their 60s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    There is zero athletic skill required to race a car.

    Watch a season of F1 and tell me the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Accy View Post

    Watch a season of F1 and tell me the same thing.
    It takes elite hand/eye coordination and high level brain power to process the thousands of moving parts. But that is not athleticism. It is much more a mental competition than a physical one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    It takes elite hand/eye coordination and high level brain power to process the thousands of moving parts. But that is not athleticism. It is much more a mental competition than a physical one.
    Are you aware of the concept of G force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    The best pure athletes of all time would all be NBA players or NFL linebackers/d-linemen

    a 250 pound man running a 4.4 or a someone who is 6’9 but moves like someone half his size but can leap 3 feet in the air.
    Are there guys 250 running a 4.4 flat?

    Devin Bush and Devin White were in the low 4.4s but closer to 235. Those two also benched 225 20+ times with 40 in verticals. Ridiculous combinations.

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    Speaking of insane combine athletes, Byron Jones might have em all beat.

    6' 200. 4.43 40. 44.5" vert. 12' 3" broad jump. 18 reps at 225.

    That's a once in a millions (or more) freak of nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beer Monster View Post
    Are you aware of the concept of G force?
    Yes. But I don't understand how dealing with that makes you an athlete.

    I am not saying there is NO physical skill. But it is a much smaller than the mental part. And when you tilt that far toward the mental, you stop being an "athlete".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percussion View Post
    Are there guys 250 running a 4.4 flat?

    Devin Bush and Devin White were in the low 4.4s but closer to 235. Those two also benched 225 20+ times with 40 in verticals. Ridiculous combinations.
    I was thinking of White so I did round up a little. I was thinking that someone was probably a better athlete but not the natural player.

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